I am betting that Hillary is going to come out and just light into Bush and McCain, and Bill is going to do it again. Anything less, and I will be upset, because, after all, I was on the receiving end of Clintonian rhetoric for all those years as a Republican. It will be nice to watch them open a can of whoop-ass and have it not be aimed at my head for a change.
7:43 pm: Ed Rendell’s speech was ten pounds of suck in a five pound bag because it sounded like he was yelling into a wind tunnel while no one paid attention. Afterwards, when interviewd by whatever MSNBC hack, he was much more effective.
7:45 pm: Best thing about Hilary’s speech tonight? I don’t have to hear about speculation as to what will be in her speech anymore.
8:10 pm: Luke Russert still has not found his comb, and was given ample time to explain how youth and potato heads from Buffalo think.
8:35 pm: Dear GOD WILL THE CLINTON BABBLE EVER STOP? They just won’t stop trying to gin this up. Will we hear about the rift between Romney and McCain this much? Will we hear about the social cons and McCain? Just shut up.
8:44 pm: Howard Dean looks pretty good and has given the best interview of the convention so far.
8:55 pm: I hope when Rachel gets her own show, she and Pat Buchanan go at it regularly.
9:07: Matthews showed something resembling the human emotion of empathy, Olbermann then credited Maddow and Bernard with his thoughts, and they had an embarassing little shouting match on camera. Go MSM.
9:10: Metaphor most in need of being thrown under the bus: “18 million cracks in the glass ceiling.”
9:15: Pulled a muscle this weekend in my back (getting old just sucks), and I finally got some muscle relaxers today. Took one an hour ago and I think it just kicked in.
9:25: Chris Matthews spreads the zombie lies about Casey’s dad being banned from the convention. They never die.
9:30: Casey brings the heat, and the crowd is eating it up- “That’s not a maverick, that is a sidekick” brough chants of four more months. The crowd is hungry. More of this, please.
9:59: Warner is so boring I checked my muscle relaxers to see if someone had actually slipped me a roofie.
10:42: Sorry. Nodded off. Woke up to a video montage to Hillary, and for a split second thought she had died and this was the tribute.
11:03: You wanted red meat, you got red meat. And if the idiots in the media keep playing up the Clinton/Obama rift after this, they are hopeless.
nightjar
I quit being surprised about anything the Clinton’s do when they told us it was fair to get all the votes from Michigan even though Hill was the only person on the ballot. I hope your right though.
t jasper parnell
I am listening to the convention right now and it is dull.
Just Some Fuckhead
Ed Rendell looked fat and old. The suit and the glasses prolly.
Just Some Fuckhead
On CSPAN-2, white people are working on the Republican platform.
Halteclere
Mathews just asked a stupid question trying to create the impression of an issues between Clinton and Obama. Luckily Clinton’s spokesperson (not sure what her exact role was during Clinton’s election bid) did a good job of knocking that question down.
Salty Party Snax
I agree. I think McGrumpy and his dwarves have set themselves up for a beating. By claiming fellowship with Hillary in the battle against Obama, McGrumpy and his merry men have committed the political equivalent of taking a burger dump in the Clinton family swimming pool.
What the hell were they thinking? They have given Hillary a pitch that she will hit right out of the stadium.
Halteclere
How old is Luke Russert? How young do voters need to be so to be considered a “kid” by him?
ThymeZone
Not just politically savvy, but great poetic imagery.
Love it.
Rome Again
Rahm Emmanuel makes a joke:
“George Bush, we’ll forever be in your debt”
That’s the first thing that man has done that I like.
Krista
I probably won’t watch the convention tonight. I watched it last night and got so pissed off at the media trying to take chips off of Obama that I started yelling at the TV. And when one commentator said that Michelle needed to be “less Jackée and more Jackie O.”? I think that’s when my husband changed the channel so that I wouldn’t wake our neighbour’s baby with my continual, “Oh for FUCK’S sakes!”
Grant
One word, describing MSNBC’s hiring of Luke Russert:
Necropotism.
Just Some Fuckhead
Delegate Seating Chart
KRK
Krista – CSPAN has no media commentary, just the event.
(Though last night early on one of the tech guys could be heard making snarky comments about the band.)
Napoleon
I hope your right John.
If I see one more of those A-hole Hilary supporters on (there was just one a little while ago on MSNBC) that whines and says they may not vote for BO I swear I am going to shot my TV.
demkat620
Sorry, but Howard Fineman just said her speech is all about her. She is not going to go after McCain but talk about how far she came, you know, for women.
Tsulagi
Yeah, that would be nice.
Sure didn’t see all the Olympics coverage, but during it I saw two different McCain attack ads. One I saw about five times. During the entire 30 seconds there was just a still photo of Obama’s face in profile. That was it, along with some mumbling about taxes.
The other ad I saw once was McCain acknowledging you may not be better off than you were four years ago, but vote for McCain and that would all change. Obviously trying to separate himself from Bush.
May not be an ad executive, but I’d play off those two ads. Have one that features that classic photo of Bush and McCain in their love embrace for the entire 30 seconds. Maybe some of the narration could be “Can you really afford four more years? Can the country?” Let McCain and his boys cry not fair and how they’ve been victimized again. Or repeat the comedy about how Obama is really like Bush, but not McCain. Then double the ad buy.
John O
Right on, John.
Hillary’s speech has been parsed to the point of what chefs call mincing, and it hasn’t even been delivered yet. But she’s in a lose-lose, as Steve Benen points out accurately.
So no matter what she does, she’ll be vilified by someone. Most likely, everyone anyone might describe as Media Man.
Politics sure is a tough sport.
She could come out and walk across a lake, call lightening from the sky on demand, smite Dick Cheney with said lightening, and she’ll still be crucified tomorrow, for a lack of sincerity, or a lack of team spirit.
My guess is with yours. She and Bill will do what needs to be done for the nation, but it just may not matter given how it will be spun.
Rome Again
Does Canada carry C-Span? I was under the impression they probably didn’t, am I wrong?
RoonieRoo
I will be disappointed if her speech is nothing but about herself. I don’t necessarily want her to genuflect to Obama but I do expect her to address her supporters and their role in the party. But I’m worried it is going to be another ME speech in the guise of a “women power” speech.
gil mann
Jesus, Krista, who said that, do you remember?
I was pretty grossed out by the underlying racism of the pundits praising her. Probably too reductionist to call it “racism”—it wasn’t that people were surprised at how eloquent she was—hell, I don’t know exactly what it was. Maybe I just go around looking to be offended, since Bush turned me into a liberal. I hear we’re big on that.
Howard Fineman’s an odious little tool, though, that I know for sure. Way to willfully misconstrue her line about being really proud of her country, you smirking prick.
I’ll tell ya, I’m pretty tepid in my support for Obama, but goddamn it, I want that family in the White House so bad I positively ache.
The Other Steve
I’m listening to CNN, and right now they’re bloviating about Clinton.
But just a bit ago James Carville made a zinger. He said they ought to point out that three years ago Bush and McCain were running around trying to sell a plan to take Social Security and invest it in Subprime mortgages.
Oh man, I love Roland Martin. He tells it like it is.
The Other Steve
I’m hoping the Clinton thing is done tonight.
t jasper parnell
Cspan is on the internets various tubes.
Krista
Screw it — I’m watching America’s Got Talent. The Hoff is sweet, soothing pablum for the soul.
KRK
Not sure. I’m watching it online. Someone last night was talking about a Canadian channel to watch it on, but I don’t remember what it was (or where I saw it).
DonnaInMichigan
Hillary is so Vain.
She probably thinks this convention is about her.
Well, so far she’s right.
I’ve never EVER witnessed this in my lifetime, the constant talk about the LOSER in a primary. Especially at the democratic convention nominating the WINNER in the primary.
I think Hillary/Bill Clinton’s name was mentioned MORE today, then Barak Obama’s.
Incertus
They deserve it. That band and whoever decided on the music for people to walk out to need to be lost at sea.
I said pretty much the same thing earlier today, only it involved a tongue bath and a fiery defecation. I only hope that the people who watch the thing don’t listen to the spin. No chance of that happening, I guess.
Rome Again
Republican mayor of Fairbanks, AK has just endorsed Obama!
There are Republicans who are crossing over in this election, and I think they will far outweigh PUMA votes. ;)
Yeah man!
t jasper parnell
The Republican mayor of Fairbanks AK just endorsed Obama because he (the mayor) is an American first.
OriGuy
I doubt they are blocking the streaming video to foreign IPs.
The Thinking Man's Mel Torme
Pat Buchanan is deranged. Rachel Maddow is taking him apart with contemptous ease, and Gene Robinson’s rubbing salt in the wounds. This is fantastic teevee.
Litlebritdifrnt
I am hoping that Hillary goes Hillary on her “deadenders” I am really hoping that she gets down and dirty and says something like “for those PUMAs out there who are claiming they are going to vote for McCain, you do not speak for me, you are not supporting me, you are disrespecting me, you are sullying my name and my reputation, I disown you, I disavow you, a true democrat will vote for Obama and would never vote for McCain, if you vote for McCain do not do so in my name for you are not, and never have been supporting me or my causes, anyone who supports the things that I find important would vote Obama, if you don’t then you do not support me, or my platform”
THAT would be awesome (not holding my breath though)
Bondo
So, once again only PBS and C-SPAN thought it was worth showing a Republican endorsing Obama. I expect the same will be true when Lieberman speaks…oh wait.
Graeme
Did ya’ll see that Ezra Klein just posted this link?
It will be amusing to watch some PUMA heads explode over this:
The joke did appear in McCain’s hometown paper, the Arizona Republic, and the Associated Press did report the joke in full, so everyone in the press had access to McCain’s words. But by censoring themselves, the Post, the Times and others helped McCain deflect flak and preserved his status as a Republican presidential contender.
Salon feels its readers deserve the unadulterated truth. Though no tape of McCain’s quip has yet emerged, this is what he reportedly said:
“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno.”
Xenos
C-span is on the web, too. Even in New Brunswick.
Unfortunately, I would rather be watching the bloviaters or the commercials than this really dull, contrived, somnambulent and dull town hall meeting. And that live musical interlude with the country-western hispanic band? Ack! All that liberal, anti-Bush music talent out there, and they come with that? Think of who they could have gotten if they had called around and made an effort.
The republicans, for all their sins, hire decent producers and keep the dang show moving at a decent clip. It is appalling, but it keeps up at a decent clip?
Tzal
MSNBC’s coverage has generally sucked. A few hours ago a bunch of truthers were drowning out Matthews and now some dude is blowing a foghorn or something behind Matthews and Olberman. I dunno, seems really unprofessional. They should have kept it in the hall.
Graeme
Damn! I just posted a comment to Balloon Juice!
It worked! Woah! No WORD PRESS error!
I’m going to get myself a drink! What an accomplishment!
t jasper parnell
This video of a Clinton adviser calling Mathews a moron because of his belief in a Clinton “secret plan” to regain the White House for the “family” is pretty damn funny.
VIA TPM
Rome Again
Glad to see he knows the difference. I think there are others who will see that difference in this election too.
Perhaps our long national nightmare is finally over, just as the last of our economic security goes swirling down the bathtub drain.
Jake
I think we can safely conclude that America does not have much talent.
cleek
personally, if they throw in a little doggy or reverse-cowgirl, i’d be OK with that.
RoonieRoo
DonnaInMichigan
It’s funny, I’m watching the convention on C-Span and there has been zippo about Hillary in general. A few mentions but really nothing much.
My guess is it really is the punditry perpetuating this perception that the convention is being driven this way.
TheFountainHead
I can has comment nau?
Garrigus Carraig
JSF: Thanks for the seating chart link. Gosh, when they said the Florida and Michigan delegates would be seated, they weren’t kidding. The Sooners must be pissed!
Laura W
What made me think the convention might be interesting and exciting? I can’t believe it’s another 90 min till Hill.
EST sucks ass.
This is excruciatingly painful torture.
Bored Boarding.
Kevin
He is 22 years old.
Just Some Fuckhead
Owch. Looks like Tweety finally figured out KO spends a lot of time subtly taking digs at him. He got damn pissy there with KO.
Laura W
This just in my inbox. Now this is exciting:
McCain Owes America An Alzheimer’s Test
While Ted Kennedy and Michelle Obama were rocking the Democratic convention in Denver, John McCain made his 13th appearance with Jay Leno to joke about his age.
But McCain’s age is no joke. He will turn 72 on Friday and would be halfway to 73 if elected and sworn in on January 20. That would make him the oldest first-term President ever, two years older than Ronald Reagan.
McCain is two years older than his father was when he died suddenly of a heart attack at 70. He is 11 years older than his grandfather was when he died of “sheer exhaustion” at age 61.
The United States cannot afford the risk that McCain would die suddenly in the middle of an international crisis.
Nor can we afford the risk of dementia. 22% of Americans over 70 are affected by mild cognitive impairment, while 13% of Americans over 65 have Alzheimer’s. Ronald Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s at age 83, but early signs were evident during his first term. Britain’s “Iron Lady” Margaret Thatcher developed dementia at age 75.
McCain has never had an Alzheimer’s test, even though he has 6 of the 10 warning signs, including his inability to remember recent facts like the number of homes he owns, the $1M lawsuit he filed in 1990, or the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.
John McCain owes America a thorough test for Alzheimer’s and cognitive impairment long before Election Day.
Sign our petition to the Corporate Media:
http://www.democrats.com/mccain-owes-america-an-alzheimers-test
TheFountainHead
So how about we talk about how no one in front of the camera for MSNBC gets along? Isn’t that just as compelling a story?
Rome Again
MSNBC should have been inside, and before holding this commentary outside in the Denver wind, Tweety should have gotten a freaking haircut.
cleek
holy crap. i’m glad Obama didn’t go with Sebelius. sooo monotonous.
RoonieRoo
Cleek I was thinking the same thing!
Jake
Half of me thinks he won’t have the guts to go on her show, the other half thinks he’s too dumb to know he’ll get pwned.
wvng
Ditto cleek. I had hoped that Sebalius’ State of the Union Dem response was an abnormality – but boy can she not deliver a speech.
Biden is much better – really better than any of the other finalists..
Rome Again
He must come from weak stock. Seriously, “sheer exhaustion”?
I’ve been saying for a long time that I’m not convinced McCain doesn’t have Alzheimers. This needs wide distribution. I’ll sign it. Thanks.
pillsy
How would anybody be able to tell?
rob!
At this point, I think Senator Hillary Clinton could spearhead a change in the Constitution to allow Barack Obama to serve a 3rd term, it gets passed, and then during Obama’s 3rd inaugural, MSNBC and CNN will STILL be doing wall-to-wall coverage on their feud.
Dear MSNBC (except for Olbermann, Todd, Maddow, and Robinson):
SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THIS SHIT AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE! ANYTHING ELSE!!! FOR FIVE GODDAMN MINUTES!!!
gopher2b
Favorite quote:
“Women already earn more graduate degrees than men…we will demand a level playing field.” Nydia Velaquez
Seems pretty level to me. This is why I will never fully commit to this party.
(I’m watching on the internet so all I get are the speeches…)
The Thinking Man's Mel Torme
Is Spike Lee in the bag? He seems like he’s got a starboard list, but he’s also making more sense than I’ve ever heard him make before.
Delia
Okay, I’m bored. So did you know that Mittens was in Denver today? I guess he was auditioning for a role. Anyhow, he said that McPOW earned all those houses of his through hard work.
Um, the mind sort of boggles and really, a nice Mormon boy shouldn’t be insinuating things like that, not considering what we know of how Johnny earned those houses.
dr. bloor
I will pay cash money for Spike Lee’s T of Obama posterizing McInsane.
hamletta
Good God!
gil mann, you’re not overly sensitive; that was incredibly racist. Not that Jackée wasn’t fabulous in her own way, but pundit, please!
I’m a mere spectator when it comes to fashion, but Michelle Obama has great style, she inspires women to emulate her, and she pulls it off without spending a lot of money. (‘Course, it doesn’t hurt that she’s 6 feet tall and slim as a rake.)
The black & white number she wore on The View a few weeks ago only cost about $100 (which was more than I would spend, but nowhere near designer-pricey), and it flew off the racks right after her appearance.
I think her style will ultimately be as iconic as Jackie O’s. I see her always in timeless classics, but always with a little zing!
The Thinking Man's Mel Torme
The “minutes since last POW reference” clock in the White House situation room would stop resetting every 3 minutes?
Laura W
Word.
That background screaming makes me want to pull my eyelashes out.
Tweety should have also gotten a color job. That natural cantaloupe he showed up with after a vacation a while back really framed his face well.
nightjar
I’ve got an anti-war war movie called Stalingrad from Netflix. It just came today, so it’s my excuse for not watching Hillary’s wilting praise for her “OPPONENT”. I would lose a whole day of turnaround for the next movie if I watched.
(Though I Hope I’m wrong and Cole’s right about her intentions, and Bill’s) Meanwhile, the plans are near complete for my escape to Guatemala in case the press and Mccain beats Obama. I hear living is cheap down there and the Trollup’s cheaper.
Just Some Fuckhead
He seemed to be a little overcome by the enormity of the prospect of a black president, understandably.
garyb50
9:15 Update is a hoot.
Charity
I love Rachel like mad. But I can’t stand the bloviating. I want to hear the speeches for myself.
Cecile Richards did great. Women would do well to remember what she said about McCain and women’s health:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjRLmmrMzEk
KRK
So glad to know I’m not the only one who obsesses about maximum Netflix turnaround.
Dreggas
“That’s not a Maverick, that’s a sidekick”
– Bob Casey Jr.
TheFountainHead
“That’s not a Maverick, that’s a Sidekick.” Best line of the night so far.
gil mann
This is awful. It’s an overproduced mess with the color palette of a guy barfing partially-digested Skittles, with people the depth of cardboard cutouts mouthing lofty platitudes that don’t mean actually mean anything.
We’re liveblogging Revenge of the Sith on SpikeTV, right?
Cassidy
“That’s not a maverick. That’s a sidekick.”
Best line so far.
dr. bloor
Casey trying to throw red meat to the masses, but he’s way too milquetoast for the job. I need a Biden fix, badly.
AkaDad
“People who live in seven houses shouldn’t throw stones.” – Amy Klobuchar
dadanarchist
Is Matthews drunk?
Just Some Fuckhead
I was hoping Warmer would get the VP nod so I’m interested to see how his speech goes.
TheFountainHead
Ya gotta love Warner…he’s just good at this stuff.
TheFountainHead
” An Energy Policy that basically says let’s go borrow money from China so we can buy oil from countries that don’t like us!”
New best line of the night.
dr. bloor
“Let’s go borrow money from China to buy oil from countries that don’t like us.”
That’ll work.
Laura W
No, he’s a sober drunk, like Bush.
He might be on the verge of a diabetic episode, however. I know when my blood sugar gets too low I get LOOPY.
colleeniem
I love some MSNBC pundits as much as the next person, and I understand that they aren’t broadcasting every speech.
But Lily Ledbetter just did a spectacular job telling her story of the outrageousness that was the decision by the Supreme Court on her equal pay, the fact that they talked right through it is insulting.
Oh, and by the way, I used to like David Brooks(I know, I know). He’s fuckin’ dead to me now. You know what, David? Your anecdotal stories of how comfortable you are with your women bosses doesn’t excuse the fact that women still receive 77 cents to the dollar on average. If that’s all you got, fuck you very much.
gopher2b
linking the olympics and china to america not “being afraid of the future” was really smart
TheFountainHead
“In just four months, we’ll have an administration that actually believes in science!”
Honorable mention for line of the night.
Scrutinizer
Jeez—doesn’t Casey know that McCain was a POW?
Dunno, but he’s all over the place tonight. I really don’t think he’s well.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
Matthews just recovered from a bout of pneumonia and I would guess the thin air of Denver is causing him some discomfort.
Jake
The Casey line is pitch-perfect. Team Obama should put it in an ad and put it in national rotation, STAT.
TEAM OBAMA: WAKE THE FUCK UP!
That is all,
Jake
The Thinking Man's Mel Torme
Seeing Tweety take hits of oxygen like Dennis Hopper in “Blue Velvet” would surely liven up MSNBC’s coverage.
patroclus
I can’t believe it! Frickin Mannequin Skywalker is about to go berserk on some Jedi younglings! Oh, there’s a convention on – never mind!
Just Some Fuckhead
You can tell Warner gets it. Wish he’d have run for President.
Laura W
Well, he really is diabetic, and I know he was hospitalized for a while a year ago? Remember how they implied that Russert died partially due to the stress of the primaries and the excitement of the elections?
PLEASE ALLAH DON’T LET MATTHEWS DIE ON THE NIGHT OF HILLARY’S SPEECH!
MSNBC would do wall-to-wall faux grieving right through Obama’s acceptance speech.
Delia
I believe he just got over a bad case of pneumonia. He was off the air for several weeks.
dr. bloor
Very nice job, much better than I was hoping for. Now let’s cut Hillary and Joe loose.
t jasper parnell
Yes, Jake, I too wish Team Obama got it, why had they gotten it they might have planned a night like this during which one speaker after another bashes McCain and multiple telling quips are quipped and so on.
Jake
Brokaw just said that Hillary will be tough on McCain, but he is her friend and you have to be careful how you go after a genuine American Hero.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Will
I disagree, I think Warner rocked. Not everyone can be Barack Obama.
michelle
Second the thought on Lilly Ledbetter.
Warner was good. And watching on PBS is less irritating than cable (from what I can tell) or other channels (with the exception of Brooks on both nights).
I’m so glad I don’t have cable.
Brooks just went with the talk radio ‘boring/banal’ verdict.
Just Some Fuckhead
John, I thought Warner was a little boring when he started, but he really built to a good end, with a lot of meaty economic stuff in the middle.
Here is a video of some extemporaneous remarks by Warner on Bush. He just devastates Bush.
Rome Again
Well, they say once you open a can of worms and they get out, you can’t put them back. Tonight Hillary is going to try to disprove that. What are the odds?
Martin
Yeah, she’s not a good campaigner. She’s a good executive – and that was her strength. Obama could have managed fine, though, but he’d be carrying all the rhetorical load and have to do the attacking. Biden will be a better campaigner but probably not be as good an executive. Of course, if they don’t win, executive strength means squat.
gopher2b
I thought Casey and Warner were pretty good. The four months from now we’ll have an administration that believes in science was pitch perfect. Line of the night.
Strickland…..er…..disaster. Is his teleprompter working?
Charity
No matter what they call Warner’s speech, this is not the keynote. Hillary got that too.
Incertus
“George W Bush came into office on third, and then stole second.”
Awesome.
t jasper parnell
The Bush stealing second from third base is pretty good, although Strickland’s delivery is god awful.
gopher2b
Okay….”started the presidency on third base and stole second” wins it. That was funny.
Jay C
True: Strickland’s line was a gem: I’m sure we won’t have heard the last of it….
zzyzx
Dear MSNBC,
I know that fights make better television, but partisanship for its own sake doesn’t seem to advance the needs of our country.
Love,
Zzyzx
Just Some Fuckhead
I vote Schweitzer gives all the rest of the speeches. Damn, he was good. Not technical, but spectacular.
Socraticsilence
Ok, here’s my Governor, the man who if he was from a larger state would be a shoe-in for VP (seriously switch MT for Colorado, and he’s VP and Obama has the election locked up due to it flipping). Don’t let the look fool you, the man’s smart, fluent in Arabic (did post-college work on Middle Eastern Irrigation), and a pretty ground-breaking man in terms of his policies.
Just Some Fuckhead
I vote Schweitzer gives all the rest of the speeches. Damn, he was good. Not technical, but spectacular.
The Thinking Man's Mel Torme
OK, I saw Schweitzer was up and I had to scan all the channels to find CNN was the only one showing him. He’s tearing it up on energy and shivving McCain left and right.
Incertus
Schweitzer fucking rocked the house. It’s a good thing Hillary’s got this film to calm the crowd down a bit before she goes on, because that was a hell of an act to follow.
fahey
Should (god forbid) Omaba fail, it’s Brian Schweitzer in 2012!
Just Some Fuckhead
Jesus Christ.. a pumpkin pantsuit???? All that build up and she shows up in a pumpkin pantsuit???
Cris
I am wicked pissed that all the networks — including PBS — felt it was more important to show their analysts blathering on than to show Brian Schweitzer’s speech. Brian was pumped up (more animated than I’ve ever seen him — probably had a few drinks) and got the crowd on their feet, shouting. And instead I see David Fucking Brooks on PBS.
I’m glad I had Montana Public Radio so I could hear him. As has been said before, hooray for C-SPAN.
Conservatively Liberal
Boy, Hillary better deliver because the crowd is cooking with gas.
Just Some Fuckhead
CNN showed most of him.
Charity
Brian Schweitzer ripped the roof off the place. Well DONE, sir!
I think that was this year’s “Obama keynote” moment.
Jake
Gosh I really hate her way of speaking.
Martin
They showed Schweitzer speech in full on PBS. They just delayed it a bit.
So far Hillary is doing a great job.
gopher2b
I knew it was going to be orange. Totally called it (see Drudge photo from earlier today).
The blues would blend into the background and red….well, that’s obvious.
Charity
President Clinton seems to be tearing up. Is reality finally setting in for him?
t jasper parnell
The Republicans are in trouble.
Jay C
“No way. No How. No McCain!”
Heh.
TheFountainHead
Four minutes in and the only thing I can complain about is what she’s doing to the color on my TV set.
The Thinking Man's Mel Torme
I’m watching on PBS in HD and HRC’s makeup is ghastly. She looks like she borrowed Cindy Lou’s cosmetics bag. Yikes.
wasabi gasp
Ain’tcha heard, pumpkin is the new pumpkin.
Cris
That’s cool. I don’t have cable though.
Hillary is saying exactly what she needed to say. Even my wife is forgiving her.
KRK
Fail. Be sure to find and watch Schweitzer’s speech.
Socraticsilence
No Doubt Cris, In 2006, he was pretty freaking pumed after Burns went down (was in Butte on way back to Missoula as the stupid slow results came in) but he was off the hook here.
Incertus
HD is kind to no one. Just a friendly warning–never watch porn in HD.
jake
OMG THAT’S A SLAP IN THE FACE!
Delia
sisterhood of the traveling pantsuit –that’s a line she could lose.
Mary
I am SO pissed that MSNBC didn’t show Schweitzer. I hope he gets some media play, and I hope he takes enough time off from his own re-election campaign to be a very popular and effective surrogate for Obama.
gopher2b
He’s faking.
I don’t know what it is about losing an election, but only then can so many of these people (e.g. Gore, Hillary) finally let go and give a decent speech. They just want it too much.
DougJ
Oh man, I love Roland Martin. He tells it like it is.
He’s the only reason to watch CNN.
wasabi gasp
Kudos to Hillary. She went to eleven.
Jon H
“Jesus Christ.. a pumpkin pantsuit???? All that build up and she shows up in a pumpkin pantsuit???”
The Pumas will be seeing its true form through their mystical third eyes.
Ninerdave
Saw that coming a mile away.
Lyssophobe
I swear to God, Pat Buchanan is a professional fucking concern troll.
Delia
Let’s see if this post makes it through the mystical wordpress maze. My last three have not.
I thought it was a great speech. It was a barn burner and John McCain needs to remind Hillary that he was a POW.
Blue eyed blondes should never wear orange. On this subject Cindy Lou McCain actually knows something.
Cain
Good grief, the front page is broken. :( Anyways, I think Hillary did a good job especially with the line “Are you in this because of me?” That was pretty good. No idea why Andrew Sullivan didn’t like it. She hit that baby out of the park.
cain
zzyzx
Best quote about the speech:
That’s good news.
RoonieRoo
That speech was absolutely awesome! Paint me totally happy.
Delia
No idea? Sully is a dyed in the wool Clinton-hater. Sort of a reverse PUMA. He is just constitutionally unable to admit that anything she does is good. Or competent, even.
EL
I thought it was a great speech. I hope Bill does as well for Obama.
Jon H
From alegre’s PUMA blog:
“Murphy’s here, as is Riverdaughter, and a ton of other PUMAs”
So, 3, 4 people tops then?
Wini
I love that the crowd behind him is keeping Buchanan in check. What a nutball.
oh really
I’ve got to get my TV checked. I must have been watching a different Mark Warner than some here. That may have been the worst keynote speech I’ve ever seen/heard.
HRC has become quite a fine speaker. To do everything she needed to do would have taken another hour or two — even then, she would have been rushing over the fiasco of the last 7-2/3 years.
Her most important comments were about the reasons people voted for her. Cult of personality or genuine belief in her stance on the issues?
It’s time for anyone who claims to have been a Clinton supporter, but now plans to vote for McPOW to simply cut the crap and admit to being a Republican.
LiberalTarian
Heh. Brian Schweitzer made me proud to be a Montanan tonight.
But, that is the essence of Montana–practical. Make it work. Keep the plan simple, just get it done.
I wish Hillary had exploited the build up he gave her more … let the crowd explode with their “NO” more often. Too much Nuevo York I guess (kidding).
Yeah, CSPAN is the way to go. Someone recommended it to me earlier today, and thank God. He (or she, can’t tell from a handle, don’tcha know).
Heh. Thank you Hillary.
And, by the way, I like the orange jumpsuit. Looks good against the blue. And did you notice my boy’s string tie and loose collar?!? Yeah baby. Heh. Yeah, and I’ve had a drink or two too!!
Just Some Fuckhead
A damn fine speech by HRC. She made me proud to be a Democrat, something she rarely does. I thought it was a tad heavy on the womens rights/feminism schtick, something she always hits too heavy, IMHO. It would be like Obama making the centerpiece of every speeach about race.
Otherwise, she nailed it. I can’t help but think it would be her nomination now if she had shown some of that graciousness early on when she was hands down favorite. And learned to dress, too. I don’t think we’ll ever know how badly her outmoded and outdated and fugly pantsuits painted her as an artifact of yesterday versus a vibrant dynamic young candidate.
Imagine Obama showing up for every speech with a neon colored leisure suit, white shoes and a fat white belt..
Conservatively Liberal
Agreed, pre and post gain cranked to 11! She delivered, and she made it very clear that she supports Obama unequivocally. I am sure that there are a few die-hards who will run her eye blinks through Morse code to see what her secret message to them was.
The Great Pumpkin has spoken, and spoken well.
/Linus
tBone
Shorter Hillary:
Hell of a speech. Bill’s going to have to really bring the thunder to top that.
Conservatively Liberal
Snap!
rob!
To: PUMAs
Re: Being PUMAs
From: HRC
Did you see my speech tonight? Vote Obama or FUCK OFF.
Just Some Fuckhead
Why the fuck am I being moderated?
zuzu's petals
Amazing speech. Absolutely amazing. Did everything she needed to do, and really energized the crowd.
Matthews et al are going nuts over it. In a good way.
Just Some Fuckhead
A damn fine speech by HRC. She made me proud to be a Democrat, something she rarely does. I thought it was a tad heavy on the womens rights/feminism schtick, something she always hits too heavy, IMHO. It would be like Obama making the centerpiece of every speeach about race.
Otherwise, she nailed it. I can’t help but think it would be her nomination now if she had shown some of that graciousness early on when she was hands down favorite. And learned to dress, too. I don’t think we’ll ever know how badly her outmoded and outdated and fugly pantsuits painted her as an artifact of yesterday versus a vibrant dynamic young candidate.
Imagine Obama showing up for every speech with a neon colored leisure suit, white shoes and a fat white belt..
tBone
I didn’t think it was that bad, but every time I see him speak, I find myself waiting for him to shoot out his tongue and catch a fly. There’s tadpole somewhere in that gene pool.
Wini
The only downer was accidentally catching a PUMA interview on CNN. I really don’t have words.
Davis X. Machina
Warner wasn’t exactly set up to fail, so much as given the not-actually-the-keynote-if-you-think-about-it slot. It’s what my mom told all six of her sons before the wedding: “Look nice, but don’t worry — they’re not there to look at you, they’re there to look at the bride.
It doesn’t matter in the long run. Clinton’s keynote in ’88 — the biggest applause he got was when he said ‘and in conclusion — didn’t hinder his career much.
Marshall
I watched the speech on MSNBC online with no commentary at all (yeah!), and their servers were really creaking by the end. I bet it had a huge audience.
I thought it was a great speech, and she really did what she needed to do. The PUMA worshiping press can shut up now.
zuzu's petals
Yeah, I thought it was a good choice too. Basic color wheel stuff:
Jon H
“Why the fuck am I being moderated?”
I spent five years in a cage in Hanoi and I would have given my left nut to be moderated. Suck it up you little jerk.
lampwick
John – Can you give us a donation goal so that you can replace that TRS-80 that you use as a server with something that doesn’t die whenever this site gets more than 3 or 4 hits a minute?
Affectionately pissed off, L
John S.
The REAL dead-enders know better.
See Jeralyn:
See Jeralyn be concerned:
Be concerned, Jeralyn, be concerned:
Hillary ALMOST had it right…when it comes to her supporters it wasn’t about her, it was about THEM.
PC
Which one is a PUMA and which one is McCain?
Just Some Fuckhead
I’m actually not little. Otherwise, yer point is taken.
Marshall
Their online feed did, without comment or interruption.
Martin
The speech that lady just gave was a slap in the face to Hillary Clinton.
It was a great speech. The twin cities line was excellent.
dr. bloor
Jon H Says:
From alegre’s PUMA blog:
“Murphy’s here, as is Riverdaughter, and a ton of other PUMAs”
So, 3, 4 people tops then?
You forgot to quote Alegre’s bottom line, after hundreds of words depicting Clinton as the best thing since sliced bread, Mother Teresa and cocaine all rolled into one:
nightjar
Ended up watching HC speech and when I heard her ask her followers “were you in this because of me” (quote from memeory) or all the things democrats stand for, I regained much of the lost respect I had for her. She did good and if the bulk of her supporters don’t get the message now, then they’re hopeless idiots. Are you listening MYlowIq?
Kevin
I completely agree with you. She nailed that speech.
He’s probably looking at her body language and picking up some secret hand-gestures or PUMA gang flashing.
Ninerdave
No.
SATSQ
daryljhusseinfontaine
Also from Alegre:
Irony is just an adjective like goldy or bronzey to these people.
D
Church Lady
I thought Hillary’s speech was great. She did everything that was needed – acknowledged her supporters, laid out the reasons why she ran, laid out the reasons her supporters should vote for Obama and then laid out the reasons no one should vote for McCain. I just don’t think she could have done anything more in this speech. However, I don’t hold much hope that the blathering talking heads will stop flogging the “Clinton drama” storyline. If they do, what will they be able to go on and on about?
I like her in orange, and I thought the joke about her pantsuits was cute. I don’t have HD, but she looked pretty good on my TV.
All in all, my verdict is “two thumbs up”.
Delia
Well, it’s a little hard to know if it’s a subtlety we all missed, or if it’s just PUMA paranoia, but if you read that post from Alegre’s Corner, you’ll see that orange means something special to these people. Anybody who’s prepared to sift through layers of psychosis can have a barrel of fun with this as well.
I mean, I can’t stay up all night analyzing this garbage. These are people who have so completely painted themselves into a corner that they can’t come out for the noble leader they painted themselves into the corner for.
BrownSuga
Where in the fudge is Jesse Jackson when we need him most…? Asswipe …!
Andrew
re: Emergency Suit Orange
Is Hillary the Senator from Daily Kos?
Mary
That wasn’t pumpkin, but a nice, sharp citrus, almost tangerine. And it looked damn good on her.
The PUMAs can go fuck themselves with their desperate need to see hidden messages in colour.
Andrew
And I’m pretty sure I just Hillary say, “Shut the fuck up, myiq, you racist fucking retard moron.”
Phoebe
THe MSNBC line was that Unity Has Been Acheived With That Speech, and anyone left not falling in line is so marginal as to not be worth paying any attention. So, whew, that’s over with. At least from MSNBC.
Of course, Bill could still fuck things up. But I don’t think he will. She threw him his little 90’s bone tonight and he looked happy. And if he has any sense at all he’ll realize that praising Bill Clinton is best left to those who are not Bill Clinton, especially when he has one foot in the doghouse.
Andrew
Sorry, sorry, sorry, I meant to type:
And I’m pretty sure I just heard Hillary say, “Shut the fuck up, myiq, you racist fucking retard moron. And you suck.”
grandpajohn
So I,m sitting in my swivel computer chair which also acts as my TV chair shortly after 9 PM EST geting ready for the main speechs after sitting through the prelims, when all of a sudden I hear this sound sort of like the sound that a giant arc welder would make and a say to myself oh fuck, because I have heard that sound before and it is the sound of a giant electric arc except in this case its not a welder but a transformer in the sub-station right down the street. And yep, by the time I say Oh fuck, I am saying it in the dark, so while all of you were listening to the speechs that you rave about here, I was sitting in the dark except it was literal dark and not the figurative dark of political ignorance that many americans seem to be sitting in.
OH the power came back on around 11 or shortly AFTER all the nights oratory was finished and hell who could stomach listening to the moronic talking heads who think the convention is about them .
JasonF
Governor Schweitzer’s speech is here and here. It’s worth the watching, if only for the great line that “we can’t drill our way to energy independence, even if we drilled in all of John McCain’s back yards — even the ones he doesn’t remember that he has!”
nightjar
When I read something like this, it begs the question as to why. The only plausible answer for a statement like this is not the idea they’ve painted themselves into a corner and can’t get out, but more the color of the paint that keeps them there.
cyntax
Ah but for some, still not quite good enough.
Cue Jeralyn:
I respect the hell out of Clinton for delivering like she did, but for some of her supporters, no matter what Obama does, it’s just never going to be enough.
Andrew
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with Jeralyn?
Jon H
“He’s got a lot of work to do and his physical presence at various events this week, and the media portrayal of it, might have helped.”
Yeah, he should have been pandering to a tiny minority – the tiny number of Americans who care enough to take time off from work and spend the money to travel to Denver for a week – and a minority of those people, to boot – rather than being out in the states, meeting with actual normal voters who will count in November.
PSST! JERALYN! HE’S NOT YOUR MONKEY!
GambitRF
Bill Kristol described it as a “shockingly minimal endorsement of Obama,” and the dude on CNN with the mustache said she was trying to depict Obama as the less of two evils and still making it all about her. Damn that liberal media!!
Kevin
Jeralyn jumped on the express train to nutjob heaven, City 17, a long time ago.
Fuck her.
KRK
The speech was good, but it didn’t (speaking only for me(TM)) entirely undo her unprecedented Democrat-on-Democrat damage in the primary. In particular, her efforts at the end of the primary to make her supporters believe that the party’s nomination process was fatally flawed and that she was actually winning (Zimbabwe, anyone?). Her supporters believed her then and now believe that she’s just being a good Democrat and falling in line, as seen in comments like this quoted above:
Clinton can knock herself out trying to reform the process going forward, but I’d sure like to hear a little “Obama beat me fair and square.”
And Clinton, more than anyone, should skip the “John McCain is my friend” garbage. His disastrous policies aside, he told a disgusting joke about your teenaged daughter; why is he your “friend”?
YellowJournalism
I watched the speech on CNN, too. Are you referring to the interview with the woman who started bawling about how she always called her family up to encourage them to vote and how this year, they would be calling her to get her to vote? I loved it when she started breaking down, blubbering something about inexperience in a voice that a high school student would use after losing the race for student body vice president. You just wanted to slap her and say, “Let it go!”
I also love to watch all the tools wave their hands and make faces at the cameras behind the reporters. Some guy even took a picture of the back of Wolf Blitzer’s head during The Situation Room. For me, though, the best moment of the night was being mesmerized by a guy standing behind James Carville during a post-HRC speech roundup. The man looked like Truman Capote as played by Bill Murray. I couldn’t keep my eyes off of him, which isn’t hard when James Carville is on the screen.
Hillary was awesome. Orange is a good color for her.
YellowJournalism
And in honor of this post title, I just have to add:
“CornNuts!”
Big E
re: “9:59: Warner is so boring I checked my muscle relaxers to see if someone had actually slipped me a roofie.
muscle relaxers & roofies……hmmmmm, sounds like a plan
OK….. I just about did Chris Matthews “AHHH HA” laugh when I read that.. on a more serious note, it’s really too bad that there is all this cable ‘yaking head’ intense analysis of speeches, body language, etc. It sounds sooooooooo LAME it makes me wanna scream.
I do like R.Maddow standing tall & getting into Pat Buchanan’s face,
I am expecting Buchanan to suddenly freak out and state that the Dems, to be successful must eviscerate the Republicans and then eat their flesh…. he is def a strange puppy…..altho’ I will freely admit I wouldn’t mind some Dem bloodletting re: Repubs.
If Hillary had some black and white trim on her orange pantsuit and put on some skates, she would be dressed to scrimmage with my hometown Flyers.
Rome Again
GOP ratfuckers, you’ve just been evicted. GTFO immediately and don’t come back!
TenguPhule
You couldn’t pay me enough.
J. Michael Neal
Schweitzer was good, but it was still a disappointment. It’s the first time I’ve seen him, and I always imagined him looking like Sam Shepard, except a bit more weathered.
Barbara
They are either McCain supporters in drag (what I’ve suspected for quite some time) or they are channeling their inner racism. Or they just crave attention and will go away soon, very soon.
David
CNN: “Sen. Hillary Clinton may have endorsed Sen. Barack Obama for president in a speech at the Democratic National Convention Tuesday night, but Sen. John McCain’s campaign said she stopped short of saying that he is ready to lead the country.”
Yeah, because “I want this guy to be president” doesn’t imply “he’s ready to be president.” Jesus Effing Zombie CHRIST.
Dylan
Just read the HRC transcript (video will have to wait until later.)
Good speech. The PUMAs have no excuses now. I guess they need to save face a bit longer, but they will dwindle into the background soon enough. They really are starting to sound a bit embarrasing, even to each other.
My dad who is a lifelong conservative voter (my-life-long, anyway) was saying yesterday that he’d prefer to see Obama win because, even if he doesn’t agree with all his policies, he can see that he’s smart enough to DO THE RIGHT THING when the hard decisions need to be made.
capelza
“J. Michael Neal Says:
Schweitzer was good, but it was still a disappointment. It’s the first time I’ve seen him, and I always imagined him looking like Sam Shepard, except a bit more weathered.”
You’d’ve liked Oregon’s Kitzhaber…he has that look.
Love the Schweitzer…always have.
Hillary gave a fantastic speech. Any puma deadender, after that, is just that. Petulant deadender.
I did check out Talk Left and Alegre..yikes. I am embarrassed for them.
And to the person who was even up in arms over at Talk Left, cause I’m not going to sign up to tell you this. But the Greek Temple at the stadium? Hello! All our great public buildings are neo-classical…from the Congress, to Lincoln’s Memorial…
Jon H
“Good speech. The PUMAs have no excuses now. I guess they need to save face a bit longer, but they will dwindle into the background soon enough. They really are starting to sound a bit embarrasing, even to each other.”
When’s the floor vote?
That’s when they’re most likely to hold their Viking Funeral.
Sloegin
I’ve thought that the convention coverage felt a wee bit ‘dull’. Now I find out (on JMM’s site) that FOX is controlling the camera feed at the convention.
Seriously DEMS, W-T-Friggin-Frkttty-F?
If they wanted to, FOX could make camera feed of Scarlett Johansson and Jessica Biel mackin’ out look like an academic seminar of Postmodernists.
Brachiator
Great and concise analysis! I hadn’t really thought about the structure of her argument until I read this.
A great speech, but I think that Clinton is not a great speaker. However, she is hands down more inspiring than Sibelius, whom I admire greatly, but really feel sorry for. She could not hold her audience at all.
I watched Clinton on broadcast tv. Sadly, a scan of the crowd suggested that some were so dazzled by Clinton’s presence and the reminder of her primary campaign that they couldn’t be bothered to actually listen to what she was saying or asking them to do.
I wonder what the overall effect would have been had Clinton spoken yesterday and Michelle Obama had given her speech tonight.
The media is desperate for Obama to go on the attack. Then they can go on and on about the impact of negative campaigning on the voters while slobbering over every nasty little word exchanged between the candidates. The media owners will make millions on each candidate’s ads, and reporters will be relieved of the responsibility of covering boring stuff like issues and policy. You know, the shit that actually matters.
By the way, ABC’s Charlie Gibson is a pompous ass. And John McCain was a POW.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
CNN should just get it over with and rename themselves the Clinton News Network. (or perhaps Ratfuck News Network would be more accurate). If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
between them and what with ABC lusting after Fox New’s sloppy seconds, and Brian Williams + Katie Couric doing their best on a nightly basis to prove that Dan Quayle was right on the money when he said “What a terrible thing to have lost one’s mind. Or not to have a mind at all. How true that is.”, our network news is reaching Baghdad Bob levels of awfulness.
How can it be that this is the information age, and yet our major news media are the info equivalent of subprime real estate?
cyntax
Oof. I missed that. That’s right up there with the orange pantsuit is Hillary’s version of flying the flag upside down. Too much damn crazy for one night.
I’ll end by saying again that was one hell of a speech and Hillary has really made me see what her supporters must have seen all along. Good job.
Michael Brown
Jesus H. Keerist, John, you must have the endurance of an ox on a coke/PCP speedball. I couldn’t sit through most of this *without* a couple of roofies and a gallon of Ripple.
Onliest thing that happened tonite of note was the 11:03 note. And they *will* go on talking about Clinton/Obama rifts until Buba goes on tomorrow nite. You watch. Tell me how it turns out.
NR
Good speech. Now we’ll have to see if the polls respond. I hope most of the Hillary holdouts aren’t as crazy as the PUMA bloggers.
Jon H
Re: FOX
I think the deal is that control rotates between organizations, election year by election year.
Apparently CNN shelled out $100,000 for one of those cable-suspended flying cams, used mostly for sports, for use at Obama’s acceptance speech. The other news orgs complained about CNN having that advantage, so CNN offered to let them have a feed of the video if they each coughed up money to defray the cost.
So that, at least, should be one camera that won’t be controlled by Fox.
skippy
metaphor 2nd most in need of being thrown under the bus: “being thrown under the bus.”
Conservatively Liberal
You bet McCain is in to ‘drilling’! He wants some Gasolina!
Talk about stepping in it.
Rome Again
Well, I wouldn’t go that far. I think she accomplished what she needed to do (although online personalities who have come to be identified with their Hillaryness will have a hard time letting go of those identities) and I’m able to forgive her and support her efforts to walk her supporters back, I will NOT forget the behavior and while i will tuck it away and try not to share it with others, that behavior cannot be washed clean from my mind.
The really sad thing is that some of our Democratic brethren allowed themselves to be taken in by the very thing they’ve been alongside the rest of us and shouting against for so long, and at the end of the campaign DailyKos will still exist, but there will be nothing left for Hillaryis44. Those people who took things to extremes will find themselves outside of the Dem community unless they can suck it up now and say “okay, I’m ready to come back”.
And really, why is that so hard? That would be all it takes. But, since they choose to marginalize themselves, so be it.
freelancer
Okay, so in this little parable,
Obama is Luke Wilson.
HC is President Dwayne Elizondo Herbert Mt. Dew Camancho
and that must mean that the PUMAs are this little punk ass: “I gotta solution: You’re a dick! South Carolina, WASSUP!”
Am I missing anything?
Chuck Butcher
Hillary did a good job with that speech. PUMA would be a silly nutcase fringe sub-minority nonentity if the Media didn’t keep paying attention to them. ah well…
zuzu's petals
And they are all congregating in the comments section at the WaPo article:
WaPo
Actually, the trollishness and sockpuppetry looks pretty blatant, so it could just be one or two GOP operatives.
In any case, I think we should swarm the comments and mock them.
Martin
Anyone taking bets on whether the PUMA guy on The Daily Show was myiq?
Bedlam UK
Just out of curiousity, what was HRC ‘lying’ about according to the PUMA nutjob?
jake
People talk. McPOW translates.
Wow. They really learned from the last time they tried to put words in someone’s mouth. How about that Order to Vacate from Iraq, guys? You know, the one you initially said was a “Translation Error.”
I also think it takes an extra truckload of stupid for a wrinkly old dude who’s called his wife a c^nt and suggested she enter a wet t-shirt contest to say he’s the pro-woman candidate … But a woman who was a lawyer, is a U.S. Senator and who came really damn close to being the nominee for president can’t articulate her thoughts clearly so he has to tell the world what she means.
I hope they keep pushing this and Hillary keeps pushing back. Eventually we’ll get McPOW to scream “I know how to handle women! I know how to handle women! I thought about women a lot when I was a POW for five years. Because I didn’t have a woman. Or a table to bang the c^nt on!”
Sleeper
For those of us who foolishly thought that Clinton did a great job helping heal the primary season wounds last night, the AP’s Ron Fournier is quick to set us straight. He explains in today’s “analysis” (which is certainly not a thinly-veiled pro-McCain op-ed) that it was really too little too late, and probably wasn’t even sincere, considering these handy dandy Hillary Clinton quotes from a few months which he’s happy to itemize and reprint in full for us.
I’ll give the press until the end of the week to yammer on about the PUMAs. Let them get it out of their system. If they persist beyond that deadline, then I have no choice to stamp my feet and use harsh language in an ineffectual rant. Or perhaps just suggest we throw them out of the G8, whichever is more impractical.
zoe from pittsburgh
Joe Scarborugh just said that there is one Hillary supporter who will be voting for McCain in November– Hillary herself. A few minutes later he said that average white Catholic voters won’t support Obama because of affirmative action. Everyone around him just sits and laughs and never calls him on his shit. He’s talking more and more like Hannity but delievered with less surface vitriol.
Seriously? I don’t know what else Hillary or anyone else can do at this point. The MSM is so twisted, so elitist, so out-of-touch and intent on creating a controversy that they don’t even make any sense anymore. I know Joe is a republican BUT for some inexplicable reason he’s presented on MSNBC as some random pundit, his GOP background is very, very rarely referenced.
Mike in MI
Maddow and Buchanen? They could call it the “Dick v Dyke Show”.
(Note: only one of those terms was meant to be offensive. Sorry Pat.”
dr. bloor
Shorter Jeralyn: OK, I’m completely ignorant about my subject matter, but I still think I’m right and I’m going to keep talking.
AkaDad
Hillary supporters are the best. I mean, like, totally awesome. This country wouldn’t be the same without them.
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya.
Dennis - SGMM
I’ll take 11:03, “And if the idiots in the media keep playing up the Clinton/Obama rift after this, they are hopeless,” for three hundred Alex.
What is it that the media will keep playing up?
georgia pig
Hillary gave a solid speech — Obama’s will probably be better, because it always is. The infantilism of the media Heathers is getting really old, this PUMA shit being this year’s equivalent of “Al Gore says he invented the Internet.” The bottom line is that a 46-year old African American is a hair’s breadth away from the White House, and of course it’s going to be an uphill slog for him because there are a lot of resentful assholes in this country. The Hillary phenomenon is not so much about her, but about tribal resentments (older women, Appalachia, displaced blue collar workers, etc). The Republicans are going to play those resentments to the max because that’s what they always do, and the media will be their willing accomplices.
The mediawhores are not going to cut Obama any slack, so he’ll have to overcome — yet again — on Thursday. What if he fails? It’s a fucking dark day for the Democratic Party and the country, but Obama can just walk away and say “hey, I tried.” Jeez, can you think of a candidate more suitable for this time and place than Obama? He’s the product of the meritocracy, an embodiment of a globalized society, a mainstream “progressive” and about as conventional in his personal life as they come, far more so than Hillary or McCain. If he fails because the PUMAs, older women and the folks in Macomb County can’t get their heads around that, then they deserve their fate. Hillary’s speech last night signaled to me that she gets that.
What’s amusing is the idiot talking heads’ failure to grasp that Obama understands exactly what is going on and is dealing. I used to be an Obama skeptic, but I came around because I started to realize that this guy is very secure and really gifted at managing people, a Magic Johnson of politicians. As we’ve seen over the last few days, the Democratic Party has a lot of talent, far more than the Republicans, but they tend to be poorly led. Maybe that will change under Obama. Obama could have been a control freak and tried to hide the Clintons in a back room, but that would be like Magic not giving Kareem the ball down on the blocks because he’d rather take a contested three-pointer to burnish his stats. Instead, he gave Hillary the ball when she got into scoring position, and she went to the hole with authority. He had faith in her skills and instincts, and it paid off.
Dan
Olbermann is becoming a big dick. A lot of people think it’s fun to see Matthews and Scarborough get taken down, but the way Olbermann is doing it is by being a huge honking dickhead. Not liking it. At all.
grandpajohn
In other words if they were giving them the Ron Paul treatment. I am sure we can expect next weeks major covered controversy to be Pauls alternate convention, It might even get mentioned by one of the Hacks
Texas Dem
Hillary gave a great speech but, let’s face facts, it is too little, and too late. She can afford to sound magnanimous at this point because she knows the damage has already been done. Her slash and burn campaign tactics gave McCain all of the ammunition he needed to destroy Obama. And now McCain is taking it step further by saying all of the things she wanted to say but couldn’t. Also, a significant number of her supporters in the crucial swing states that will decide this election, i.e. Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, were voting AGAINST Obama as much as they were voting FOR her. Face it, folks. It’s over. Repeat after me: President McCain. President John McCain.
cyntax
Damn, that’s a serious funk you’re in. Try some of these points on for size, taken from MyDD [sorry, no link, but for some reason can’t embed tags for that site here at Ballon-Juice]:
Now obviously that may not be enough to change your mind, but bottom-line is that a lot of this election is going to be decided outside of the spotlight and away from our field of vision.
gil mann
That rules.
I thought it was unbelievably touching the first night of the coverage when she told him, with her hand tenderly brushing his forearm, how much his culture war speech in ’92 hurt her as a 19-year-old. He steamrolled right over the moment, but still.
AnneLaurie
Because that’s the rules of “collegiality” in the Senate. Hillary Clinton told us all she’s going back to the Senate now, and she’s pretty damn sure John McCain will be back there come mid-November, assuming he doesn’t have a fatal aneurysm before then.