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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2008 / Convention Open Thread

Convention Open Thread

by John Cole|  August 27, 20086:26 pm| 152 Comments

This post is in: Election 2008, Did You Know John McCain Was A POW?

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We needed another one.

7:30 Maxine Waters got the biggest cheer in quite some time.

7:45 pm: Flipped to MSNBC and listened to Scarborough babble for 5 minutes. Next is Luke Russert. Back to c-span.

7:55 pm: The list of Senators who are dynamic speakers does not include Jay Rockefeller.

8:00 pm: I hereby declare this a PUMA free thread. They are more irrelevant now than they have ever been.

8:50 pm: Ok. It appears we are back. I switched to MSNBC during Etheridge, and I watched Tammy Duckworth lay some serious damed wood on John McCain. She ripped him a new one, and they need her out there more often.

9:00 pm: Big cheers for Bill.

9:28 pm: He was nicer than I thought he would be to the opposition.

9:52 pm: Do my eyes deceive me, or did John Kerry just throw some haymakers? Even more shocking, they landed.

9:55 pm: Brace yourself for some Sully love directed at the Big Dog.

10:35 pm: Biden needs to pick up the tempo.

10:47 pm: Biden’s speech is, by far, the worst of the night. Just seems to lack the pacing and, I dunno, something. It is just flat.

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  1. 1.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    I hear the big event at the Republican convention will be McCain crash-landing on stage and re-breaking his arms.

  2. 2.

    PC

    August 27, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    Beer and the convention. Not a good combo. PC +1.

  3. 3.

    Incertus

    August 27, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    I’m just waiting to see who will be the first pundit to say, with a straight face, that Hillary Clinton still doesn’t mean it.

  4. 4.

    Dreggas

    August 27, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    PC Says:

    Beer and the convention. Not a good combo. PC +1.

    Convention + Age of Conan = good combo.

    Speaking of time to go home and slaughter some picts.

  5. 5.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    “I’m just waiting to see who will be the first pundit to say, with a straight face, that Hillary Clinton still doesn’t mean it.”

    They’re waiting for Hillary to offer Barack and Michelle one of Chelsea’s eggs.

  6. 6.

    gypsy howell

    August 27, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Meanwhile, over in the alternate universe of NoIQ, the seppuku knives are being sharpened. A small taste of what’s going on over there:

    HRC had to do this. Otherwise, her political career would be over. That orange pantsuit was a message to me. She is a prisoner to the Dogs of the DNC. We have to understand the sublime messages she is sending.

    And from the sublime to the ridiculous….

    My vote is my own, now piss off and dont’ try to bully me or tell me what to do. Otherwise, I am going to take off my big girl panties, wad them up and throw them in your face.

    There’s a mental image I didn’t need — a NoIQer taking off her big girl panties.

  7. 7.

    Ted

    August 27, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    I’m just waiting to see who will be the first pundit to say, with a straight face, that Hillary Clinton still doesn’t mean it.

    I believe it was Ron Fournier in a piece today from AP. I don’t know what happened to AP, but apparently they want to make Reuters the only remaining unbiased giant international wire service.

  8. 8.

    TCG

    August 27, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    The maker of Enzyte got a 25 year sentence for fraud today.

    He ripped off $100M in the scam, probably mostly from wingnuts.

    With any luck we will all get less spam.

  9. 9.

    PC

    August 27, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Does anyone else hate the 08 DNC poster on the podium? Does the graphic design mean the Democrats hate America?

  10. 10.

    rob!

    August 27, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    My vote is my own, now piss off and dont’ try to bully me or tell me what to do. Otherwise, I am going to take off my big girl panties, wad them up and throw them in your face.

    ew!

    secret pantsuit messages? wow, it would be funny if it weren’t so sad. it would be sad if it weren’t so funny.

  11. 11.

    gypsy howell

    August 27, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    secret pantsuit messages? wow, it would be funny if it weren’t so sad. it would be sad if it weren’t so funny.

    But either way, you have to admit it’s pretty fuckin’ funny.

    — gh +3 in a Wingate

  12. 12.

    nightjar

    August 27, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    She is a prisoner to the Dogs of the DNC.

    Aren’t we all!

  13. 13.

    John O

    August 27, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    I don’t care what any of the gasbags say.

    I’m going to take a little time tonight to set aside my cynicism and be proud of the giant leap for mankind we’ve taken, win or lose. (Winning would help the pride take hold a lot better, though.)

    I have a feeling there are a lot of people in this country with some sort of happy daze on. It’s quite a moment in time.

    And I’m with John, I look for some fire tonight from the Big Dog and Biden, too.

    They’re both awfully smart and funny and tough.

  14. 14.

    Ted

    August 27, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    That orange pantsuit was a message to me. She is a prisoner to the Dogs of the DNC. We have to understand the sublime messages she is sending.

    Aaahhhhhh. That’s some awesome crazy. I get messages from Hillary in my fillings. And she says NoQuarter visitors need to be medicated.

  15. 15.

    PC

    August 27, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Jay Rockefeller is sending me a secret pantsuit message to punch myself in the nuts.

  16. 16.

    Keith

    August 27, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    Next is Luke Russert.

    Sad to say, but the body language experts actually deserve the screen time more (but none of them deserve more screen time)

  17. 17.

    Dennis - SGMM

    August 27, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    She is a prisoner to the Dogs of the DNC.

    No way. That would make us all POW’s – my friends.

  18. 18.

    dewberry

    August 27, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    True story from my house:

    Mr Dewberry: “Why are you screaming Fujimori, you idiot! at the teevee?”

    me: “Because Matthews just said that nowhere in Europe or South America had any country elected someone of a minority ethnic group and that’s what makes America great. Fujimori’s who I could think of off the top of my head.”

    Mr Dewberry: “Why aren’t you watching C-Span?”

  19. 19.

    gypsy howell

    August 27, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    On a more serious note, I will admit I cried for a couple minutes when Hillary turned over the nomination to Obama. A historic night.

    (OK, maybe it’s the +3 talking. But it was pretty emotional.)

  20. 20.

    dmsilev

    August 27, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    TalkLeft has also gone nuts today. As you might expect, they’re all up in arms about the roll call. I’m not quite sure exactly what they were objecting to, except of course the outcome.

    -dms

  21. 21.

    phobos

    August 27, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Ok, I tried watching MSNBC.

    Joe Scarborough still an awful, awful person.

  22. 22.

    Max Power

    August 27, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    I hereby declare this a PUMA free thread. They are more irrelevant now than they have ever been.

    Are you saying that stooges planted by the McCain campaign are irrelevant?

  23. 23.

    Benjamin

    August 27, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Dewberry

    How about Evo Morales in Bolivia ?
    And technically Sarkozy was the son of immigrants.

  24. 24.

    PC

    August 27, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    OH SHI- I didn’t know Hillary could sing!

  25. 25.

    zmullls

    August 27, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    I hate to do this but I need to make a correction on the last thread since nobody else did.

    Hillary Clinton is a ‘trouper’ with a ‘u’ not a ‘trooper’ with an ‘o.’ It’s especially unfortunate to all her a “trooper” after all those nasty insinuations of what Clinton’s troopers were supposedly up to while he was Governor…..

    That said, she’s made of some strong stuff, and I’m glad she’s on our side….

  26. 26.

    Benjamin

    August 27, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    And Rigoberty Menchu in Guatemala ? NOBEL PEACE PRIZE WINNER

  27. 27.

    nightjar

    August 27, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    The list of Senators who are dynamic speakers does not include Jay Rockefeller

    He’ll captivate the Un-Dead electorate.

  28. 28.

    Tsulagi

    August 27, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    There’s a mental image I didn’t need—a NoIQer taking off her big girl panties.

    No shit.

  29. 29.

    KRK

    August 27, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    “Born in the USA and therefore eligible for the presidency” is actually a good song for Obama.

  30. 30.

    Dennis - SGMM

    August 27, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    big girl panties = cargo parachute with leg closures

  31. 31.

    Ryan S.

    August 27, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    *SOB* plz it makez the Etheridge lady stop…..

  32. 32.

    dewberry

    August 27, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    See, Benjamin, together how long did that take us? 25 seconds? The air vacuum inside Matthew’s head where actual information could be stored is quite large.

  33. 33.

    cleek

    August 27, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    McCain could actually use Born In The USA as his song and it would almost fit, for a change.

  34. 34.

    PC

    August 27, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    “Born in the USA and therefore eligible for the presidency” is actually a good song for Obama.

    This has not been proven. I have super secrit documents that prove Barack Hussein bin Obama is actually a cephalopod born in Antarctica. It’s in a report issued by a former Congressional-person-thingee, but I won’t say who.

  35. 35.

    gypsy howell

    August 27, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    The air vacuum inside Matthew’s head where actual information could be stored is quite large.

    “Actual Information” would only get in the way of the Big Narrative that’s taking up so much space in his head.

    Wake me up after Reid stops speaking, please.

  36. 36.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    “As you might expect, they’re all up in arms about the roll call. I’m not quite sure exactly what they were objecting to, except of course the outcome.”

    No kidding. Shocker: When the ultimate outcome is a foregone conclusion, state delegations will act to curry favor with the winner (by throwing all votes to that person). Arkansas and New Jersey will no doubt be calling in those chits if they want federal assistance in anything.

  37. 37.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    “The air vacuum inside Matthew’s head where actual information could be stored is quite large.”

    That’s the National Strategic Hair Reserve.

  38. 38.

    Robert Johnston

    August 27, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    8:00 pm: I hereby declare this a PUMA free thread. They are more irrelevant now than they have ever been.

    They’re even more irrelevant than Cialis at a eunuch convention or the typical McCain POW invocation.

  39. 39.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    “Born in the USA and therefore eligible for the presidency” is actually a good song for Obama.”

    And Obama could probably get Bruce to sing it that way.

  40. 40.

    Conservatively Liberal

    August 27, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    A McCain mouthpiece just told Tweety how tough McCain is. He was on the Israeli border getting out of a helicopter. This guy noticed that McCain had blood “flowing” down his face. It seems that McCain “hit his head on a nail” and cut his head getting out of the helicopter. He got fixed up in the back of a vehicle and they went on their way.

    JOHN MCCAIN! HE TAKES A LICKIN’ AND KEEPS ON TICKIN’!

    McCain really should stop flying in those wooden helicopters.

    From the racist PUMA RiverDaughter:

    They are going to force her to vote against herself.

    Hillary is so strong that she can be forced into voting for Obama? They are supporting a woman who “folded” like a lawn chair and gave in, and yet they claim she would be a tough, no-nonsense president? Stupidity must be a prideful point for PUMAs.

    These PUMAs are nothing but ratfuckers through and through. I have been reading the PUMA posts at various places, and it is more than clear that the majority of these twisted fucks are naturally that way.

    It’s what Republicans do best. Ratfuck.

  41. 41.

    Incertus

    August 27, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    That orange pantsuit was a message to me.

    So, her family is begin held prisoner by Markos Moulitsas?

  42. 42.

    dr. bloor

    August 27, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    All Daschle needs is a gap between his front teeth and Paul Schaffer.

  43. 43.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    I would have given Daschle big big money to come on stage dressed as Malcolm McDowell from A Clockwork Orange.

    He’s a dead ringer.

  44. 44.

    Conservatively Liberal

    August 27, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    My vote is my own, now piss off and dont’ try to bully me or tell me what to do. Otherwise, I am going to take off my big girl panties, wad them up and throw them in your face.

    They would probably stick.

  45. 45.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    “This guy noticed that McCain had blood “flowing” down his face. It seems that McCain “hit his head on a nail” and cut his head getting out of the helicopter.”

    Moron. The head has lots of small blood vessels so a negligible injury can produce amounts of blood that appear significant.

    That’s why Shiites and professional wrestlers cut their heads.

  46. 46.

    Blondie

    August 27, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Is Tom Daschle auditioning to be on SNL with those glasses or what??

  47. 47.

    dr. bloor

    August 27, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    McCain really should stop flying in those wooden helicopters.

    With his service record, I doubt the Navy will let him near the expensive goods anymore.

  48. 48.

    KRK

    August 27, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Here we go…

  49. 49.

    jake

    August 27, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Whoooo! Tam-may! [Lights Bic]

    Ahem. Pardon my outburst but Duckworth is 10 pounds of awesome in a five pound bag. I hope she rubs the GOP’s face in that “Cut & Run” ad in 2006.

  50. 50.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    (‘Moron’ in reference to the McCain proxy, not Conservatively Liberal)

  51. 51.

    Incertus

    August 27, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    What are the chances that Clinton comes out to the band playing “Who’s down with OPP?”

  52. 52.

    Conservatively Liberal

    August 27, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    8:00 pm: I hereby declare this a PUMA free thread. They are more irrelevant now than they have ever been.

    So tonight I post and then read the blog entry. It’s what happens when you are +20 or more (hits).

    Did someone kill a skunk? ;)

  53. 53.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Um, a bunch of dems dancing to ‘chain of fools’ is maybe not necessarily the best tactical thinking, regardless of the merits of the song.

  54. 54.

    carsick

    August 27, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    John Cole,
    Did you fall asleep? The convention didn’t end with Maxine Waters.

  55. 55.

    Louise

    August 27, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Either someone is unconscious or has a really wicked sense of humor…playing “Chain of Fools” right before Bill takes the stage?? Too funny. And mean.

  56. 56.

    Laura W

    August 27, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Chai chai chai
    Chain of fools.
    I dig this band.
    Shoot me.
    +2.5
    Need to shoot the remaining .5 in anticipation of Mr. Hillary.

  57. 57.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Except when it include Jennifer Garner and Jessica Alba.

  58. 58.

    KRK

    August 27, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Why are they singing Chain of Fools?

    So dumb.

  59. 59.

    wasabi gasp

    August 27, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    I’m guessin’ the store was all out of World’s Best Grandpa mugs, so they gave Harry Reid a Senate Majority Leader seat instead.

  60. 60.

    michelle

    August 27, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Just as a primer, Biden suggested that Iraq be divided into three sections. Fred Kagan, in his structure for the surge, dismissed Biden’s suggestion by name — directly.

    But now, we have Biden’s plan in effect. The whole of Iraq is divided along sectarian lines. They are divided because of the surge.

    So the surge succeeded in implimenting Biden’s plan.

  61. 61.

    gypsy howell

    August 27, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    OK Big Dog. Bring the Unity Pony on home now.

  62. 62.

    Conservatively Liberal

    August 27, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    (‘Moron’ in reference to the McCain proxy, not Conservatively Liberal)

    My snarkOmeter is up and functioning well tonight, but thanks! :)

    Now for Mr. Bill!

  63. 63.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    “What are the chances that Clinton comes out to the band playing “Who’s down with OPP?””

    How about the Radiators, “Suck the head squeeze the tip”.

    What? It’s about eating crawfish, you perv.

  64. 64.

    JL

    August 27, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Wow, Bill is doing a good job.

  65. 65.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Bill’s chewing the scenery. It’s good. I just wish he’d mentioned how, seven years ago this month, president Bush received a certain memo from the CIA, which was ignored.

  66. 66.

    Napoleon

    August 27, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Except when it include Jennifer Garner and Jessica Alba.

    My best dream includes both of them. I almost fell off the couch when I saw both of them there.

  67. 67.

    dr. bloor

    August 27, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Not so much for Obama as against McBush, but that’s fine.

    He sure does like Joe Biden, though.

  68. 68.

    JL

    August 27, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    I wish he would stop saying the opponent is nice. I actually don’t know whether or not McCain is a nice guy.

  69. 69.

    The Moar You Know

    August 27, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Well, Bill Clinton is burying the hatchet. Right in the backs of the PUMAs and the Republicans, two groups that sorely need it.

    Remind me to never get on that guy’s shit list.

  70. 70.

    John O

    August 27, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    The Great White Shark of American politics.

    He pissed me off all the time from my lib-lite perspective, but he’s still one of the smartest men ever to walk the planet.

  71. 71.

    t jasper parnell

    August 27, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    John Kerry is going to give a speech? Yikes.

  72. 72.

    KRK

    August 27, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Kudos, Bill. You brought it.

  73. 73.

    TR

    August 27, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Great speech, but someone needs to take that godawful band out back and shoot them.

  74. 74.

    RareSanity

    August 27, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Those Clinton’s are pretty damn amazing…

    I’m with you J.C., I don’t see how they do it…

  75. 75.

    Kevin

    August 27, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Addicted to Love?

  76. 76.

    KRK

    August 27, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    What is the DEAL with this musical selections? Following Clinton with Addicted to Love?

  77. 77.

    Calouste

    August 27, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    True story from my house:

    Mr Dewberry: “Why are you screaming Fujimori, you idiot! at the teevee?”

    me: “Because Matthews just said that nowhere in Europe or South America had any country elected someone of a minority ethnic group and that’s what makes America great. Fujimori’s who I could think of off the top of my head.”

    Mr Dewberry: “Why aren’t you watching C-Span?”

    So there’s Fujimori, there’s that President with the very French name Sarkozy, of Greek-Jewish-Hungarian descent, six of the first seven presidents of Finland were ethnic Swedes, then there’s Brazil, where everyone is a minority, there’s Surinam, which has had presidents of both African and Asian origin.

    And there’s also the almost forgotten Charles Curtis, vice-president to Herbert Hoover and 3/8 Native American.

  78. 78.

    Montysano

    August 27, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    On local talk radio this evening, the host had on a former NY congressman named John LeBoutillier, a conservative pundit who believes McCain is unfit for office. His reason: McCain’s actions, back in the early ’90s, relating to POWs left behind in Southeast Asia.

    Apparently, the US was supposed to make reparations to North Vietnam in exchange for the POWs. We paid 1/2, and got 1/2 the prisoners. We then welched on the second half. According to “Boot”, McCain had a chance to reopen the investigation in the early ’90’s, but chose instead to vote to normalize relations w/Vietnam and let the “POWs left behind” story disappear down the Memory Hole.

    The radio host, a conservative, was fucking gobsmacked, as was I (just previous to Boot, a vet had taken McCain to task for failing to support the GI Bill). If I knew his, I had forgotten it, but some preliminary research indicates that it’s true. Needless to say, McCain’s pimping of his POW story makes Boot a bit……ummm… agitated.

    So, I can assume that Tweety and the Boyz will be on this story straightaway and forthwith?

  79. 79.

    Louise

    August 27, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Damnit. Bill has still got it*. That was some seriously great shit. There were a couple of lines (especially the ones about America’s power and example) that were perfect, and he actually made me miss him again. Obviously, the blabberheads will find some chinks in the armor, but his words were unequivocal support. Good stuff.

    *Unlike the band, which seriously needs to have its plug pulled.

  80. 80.

    D. Mason

    August 27, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    I wish he would stop saying the opponent is nice. I actually don’t know whether or not McCain is a nice guy.

    Think of it as an attempt at inoculation.

  81. 81.

    Wini

    August 27, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    MSNBC stalking Chevy

  82. 82.

    Napoleon

    August 27, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Hey, was that Gerald Ford I just saw on MSNBC’s coverage?

  83. 83.

    nightjar

    August 27, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    PUMA burgers anyone!! The White Haired Devil stuck it to wingnuts one more time. God help me, I do love it so.

  84. 84.

    John O

    August 27, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    They’re professionals, and their love of self v country has always been overstated and overblown by the Andrew Sullivan’s of the world.

    They’re also both very competent, brilliant, and politically savvy.

  85. 85.

    Alan

    August 27, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    It’s about goddamn time someone started to attack the Republicans. The Dems need to keep it up to win. As Gore and Clinton did it for the win.

    And I hated them for it. :)

  86. 86.

    John

    August 27, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Montysano – that stuff about POWs is total nonsense. There were no POWs left behind, and that’s far right fever swamp stuff (that was one of the things the crazies hated about Kerry as well, you may recall – he co-chaired the commission with McCain that determined that there weren’t any POWs left behind.)

  87. 87.

    mitch

    August 27, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    I love how CNN is ignoring John Kerry completely and interviewing random people…

  88. 88.

    Jake

    August 27, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    People around the world have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power.

    Clinton’s best line, and, in a nutshell, what McCain and the neocon cheesedicks will never understand.

  89. 89.

    phobos

    August 27, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    As far as these things go, not a bad a speech from Bill C.

    Still, McCain was a POW and all that…

  90. 90.

    michelle

    August 27, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Kagan will be held up proud next week

  91. 91.

    TR

    August 27, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    John Kerry’s speaking now. I only realized it because I saw him in the background over Tom Brokaw’s shoulder on MSNBC. They’re too busy blathering to show it.

    I guess it’s only this party’s last presidential nominee. I mean, who cares about that guy?

  92. 92.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Kerry seems old. Like, more than 4 years older than he was in 2004.

  93. 93.

    The Thinking Man's Mel Torme

    August 27, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    So I guess Brokaw is trying to be a major league stooge tonight: “McCain was in a POW camp when Bill Clinton was writing letters to his ROTC commander trying to get out of the draft.”

    Narrative never dies.

  94. 94.

    KRK

    August 27, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Unlike the band, which seriously needs to have its plug pulled.

    Perhaps the band was hired through the KarlRove Talent Agency?

  95. 95.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    August 27, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    I listened to HRC ask to set aside the rules and Pelosi take the Yays and Nays on NPR. It was a beautiful thing. So was the perfectly cooked al dente Linguine w/White Clam Sauce at Giuseppe’s in Ardsley, NY. That a couple of glasses of good Chianti and I doing great.

    Why do you people pay to be tortured? You know that’s what cable/satellite TV is: Pay-to-be-gitmo’d TV. Whew!

    Golly. Imagine Bill and Hillary doing the right thing and the rat fuckers in the establishment media being wrong about the Big, Hugest, Awesomest Floor Fight Evah.

    Good on Hillary. She proved, once again, she is a great politician. Now the Chicken Little’s can get their panties in a knot over those Big, Mean Republicans.

  96. 96.

    TR

    August 27, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Kerry is ripping into McCain’s flip-flops. He even said “Talk about being for it before you’re against it!”

    Also: “Before he ever debates Barack Obama, John McCain should finish the debate with himself.”

    Good thing PBS is actually showing the speech, unlike the fucking cable nets.

  97. 97.

    jack fate

    August 27, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    He was nicer than I thought he would be to the opposition.

    He’s a former President, so he’s got the decorum that comes with being the Most Powerful Person in the World for 8 years. Outside of acknowledging that he knows John McCain, I’m not sure he even referred to any Republican by their name. (I may be wrong, however.) But I would think this is the kind of stumping he will do. Not out of animosity towards Obama, but towards stewardship of his legacy.

    I don’t necessarily mind the tradition that former presidents rarely are too critical of a sitting president.

  98. 98.

    Kevin

    August 27, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Golly. Imagine Bill and Hillary doing the right thing and the rat fuckers in the establishment media being wrong about the Big, Hugest, Awesomest Floor Fight Evah.

    I’m sure Bill, in particular, really enjoyed making all of those media doomsayers look like total idiots.

  99. 99.

    pillsy

    August 27, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Damn but I wish that John Kerry had been half as effective at defending himself four years ago.

    Still, hell of a speech.

  100. 100.

    TCG

    August 27, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Kerry was really good

  101. 101.

    JL

    August 27, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Don’t forget CSpan. I actually liked the person who was speaking for Kerry. It was a very emotional guy that didn’t show up 4 years ago.

  102. 102.

    dr. bloor

    August 27, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Big John kicked some serious ass there. Each candidate is ultimately responsible for his campaign, of course, but when I’m reminded that the US passed on Al Gore and John Kerry for the likes of Chimpy McCokehead because the ineffectual DLC fuckwads kept them bottled up, it makes me crazy.

  103. 103.

    null pointer exception

    August 27, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Jesus. Kerry was on fire! Too bad he waited for 4 years to say all this.

  104. 104.

    cleek

    August 27, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Kerry rocked it. awesome.

  105. 105.

    Napoleon

    August 27, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Anyone watching Mathews go after Mike Murphy on MSNBC?

  106. 106.

    Tax Analyst

    August 27, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Excellent speech by Clinton…but I was really pretty sure he’d come up big in that spot. Considering how much they ticked me off during the campaign it’s amazing how warm and fuzzy Bill & Hill have made me feel the last couple of days. It didn’t surprise me that they’d come through for the party when push came to shove, but it did surprise me how very well they did it.

    And…like Jake said, THIS was a fantastic line…

    “People around the world have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power.”

    It hasn’t been said better, at least in my memory.

  107. 107.

    DougJ

    August 27, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Classic bullshit from the pundits — Amy Sullivan of Time here on Bill’s speech:

    The only odd note? Who the heck picked “Addicted to Love” as the song to play the former president off the stage? Appropriate, and awkward…

    It was actually U2’s “Beautiful Day”.

    Can’t they at least be accurate with their bullshit musing?

  108. 108.

    J. Michael Neal

    August 27, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Tweety has turned on the Republicans. Seriously. He just ripped Mike Murphy in four different directions.

  109. 109.

    RoonieRoo

    August 27, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    Tammy Duckworth is flat out awesome.

  110. 110.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    “It was actually U2’s “Beautiful Day”.”

    They did play Addicted to love somewhere along the line tonight.

  111. 111.

    Dennis - SGMM

    August 27, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Two of the most obnoxious, divisive people in the Democratic party buy a round and everyone responds; “They’re the salt of the earth, by God.”

  112. 112.

    The Thinking Man's Mel Torme

    August 27, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Did anyone see the sack of sh!t called “Mike Murphy” on MSNBC saying the Clintons were going to vote for McCain?

    Even better was Tweety’s takedown.

  113. 113.

    Scott H

    August 27, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    I’m loving how the speakers keep swinging the spotlight back on the shabby treatment of military veterans.

  114. 114.

    Napoleon

    August 27, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    It was actually U2’s “Beautiful Day”.

    They did play “Addicted to Love”. It may have been right after Beautiful Day as he worked throught the crowd.

  115. 115.

    Jake

    August 27, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Kerry was excellent with his “Candidate McCain vs. Senator McCain” schtick. Expose the fraud for what he is. More of that please.

  116. 116.

    PC

    August 27, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    This is my boom stick.

    (and Axelrod hasn’t even started)

  117. 117.

    jcricket

    August 27, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    They’re waiting for Hillary to offer Barack and Michelle one of Chelsea’s eggs.

    She could lay down on a fire to let him walk over her and the pundits would be saying, “Well, it’s only third degree burns. There are at least 95 more degrees before you get to normal, so obviously she’s not that committed to supporting Obama”.

  118. 118.

    Bostondreams

    August 27, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Nice little ‘misspeak’ by Biden there..’this is the America we get if George….John McCain is elected..’

  119. 119.

    JasonF

    August 27, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Pure insanity from Riverdaughter:

    I started COUGARs for Clinton last night after Hillary’s speech, but I was conflicted. Now that I have heard Bill speak I am sure that we have to keep this fight going. What they did to Bill tonight was disgusting. They tried to shut him up with all that applause so that he couldn’t speak. Hillary needs us to keep going.

    You can’t make this shit up!

  120. 120.

    MBL

    August 27, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Did they cut Richardson? Wasn’t he supposed to go after Kerry? WTF?

  121. 121.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    I disagree John, I think Biden started out slow with the touchy-feely-ordinary-guy stuff, but he’s ripping now.

  122. 122.

    NR

    August 27, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Really? Everyone else I’m reading is loving Biden.

  123. 123.

    Bostondreams

    August 27, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    JasonF, that’s a parody site. It’s great. Has those strange ducks spot on!

  124. 124.

    Tax Analyst

    August 27, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Dennis – SGMM Says:

    Two of the most obnoxious, divisive people in the Democratic party buy a round and everyone responds; “They’re the salt of the earth, by God.”

    Yeah, but considering how many folks were belly-up-to-the-bar it was hearty round.

    And it was a lot better than if they’d shit on the bar. Would sooner have been better? Well, I’d have preferred it, but the timing of this may actually work out to an advantage in the final analysis.

    HEY! Barack showed up! Say…did you folks know he was BLACK? Uh-huh, it’s true.

  125. 125.

    Just Some Fuckead

    August 27, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Here’s a phrase you can throw under the damn bus:

    “John McCain is my friend..”

    I’m so sick of hearing Democrats say that. I don’t really give a fuck if John McCain is Nancy Pelosi’s retarded brother. He’s the enemy here and it’s time we stopped coddling him.

  126. 126.

    mark

    August 27, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Did they cut Richardson? Wasn’t he supposed to go after Kerry? WTF?

    Lerner said they moved him to tomorrow.

  127. 127.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    August 27, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Here’s a phrase to toss under the damn bus:

    “John McCain is my friend..”

    Jeez. Like that fucking means anything. Democrats are too good for their own good. Just slit the old fucker’s nuts and quit trying to hump his leg.

  128. 128.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    August 27, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    I see you’ve set up the blog to automatically post my comments twice, John. I think that’s a very good idea.

  129. 129.

    jake

    August 27, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    The only odd note? Who the heck picked “Addicted to Love” as the song to play the former president off the stage? Appropriate, and awkward…

    It was actually U2’s “Beautiful Day”.

    A person who can’t recognize Addicted to Love from the first fucking beat is a person who was born within the past three hours or on Mars. Confusing it with Beautiful Day is just bee-zar. Fussing over the song played during a former president’s appearance is bee-zarerer and I speak as someone who is terminally pissed at Cadillac for using Led Zep’s Rock n’ Roll.

    Maybe they’ll go back to obsessing over Hillary’s outfit. The string of turquoises are a signal she’s being oppressed, just like the Native Americans!

  130. 130.

    The Moar You Know

    August 27, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Just Some Fuckead Says:

    Here’s a phrase you can throw under the damn bus:

    “John McCain is my friend..”

    I’m so sick of hearing Democrats say that. I don’t really give a fuck if John McCain is Nancy Pelosi’s retarded brother. He’s the enemy here and it’s time we stopped coddling him.

    It doesn’t mean what you think it means. I used to work for a guy. If he used your first name you were OK. If he used your last name you had fucked up. If he used “Mr.” and your last name it was gonna be a bad day.

    If he used “my friend” you were about to get a can of whoopass broken out on you.

  131. 131.

    John O

    August 27, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    I’m so sick of hearing Democrats say that. I don’t really give a fuck if John McCain is Nancy Pelosi’s retarded brother. He’s the enemy here and it’s time we stopped coddling him.

    No. This is one of the most interesting things I find in human nature: The ability to assume everyone else is like you with respect to perception, but somehow unlike you with respect to reality. K-Lo made the same mistake a day or two ago regarding M. Obama’s speech, in which she said, “Mission Accomplished,” and went on to claim that the Mrs. Obama she believes in is somehow different, and more importantly less authentic, than the one her own eyes saw. K-Lo believes Michelle Obama is an angry negro, and damned what her eyes and ears tell her.

    So it goes with McCain. We ALL have friends we disagree with, often very substantively, but it doesn’t mean we don’t like them personally. I don’t think McCain hates his country, or hates me, I think he’s living in an alien, ancient world of non-interconnectedness and a paradigm of “us vs. them.” What’s the big deal?

    This failure to look in the mirror is constantly amazing to me.

  132. 132.

    Camper Joe

    August 27, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Hey John, I think Biden’s was the weakest between him, Bill, and Kerry. However… it was stronger than anybody else without the last name of Clinton, Kerry or Obama.

  133. 133.

    Tsulagi

    August 27, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    I watched Tammy Duckworth lay some serious damed wood on John McCain. She ripped him a new one, and they need her out there more often.

    She did, and they do. Some very good speeches by other veterans like that CSM and the Congressman that followed her. C-Span is much better.

    Biden’s speech is, by far, the worst of the night. Just seems to lack the pacing and, I dunno, something. It is just flat.

    Now switching from C-Span to the cable heads, notice they’re saying the same thing. Don’t agree. Thought his speech was very good and went after Bush/McCain well.

    C-Span is really much better. Don’t have to put up with those dips saying what I should be thinking.

  134. 134.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    August 27, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    It doesn’t mean what you think it means.

    It doesn’t even need to be said. Here’s something that actually means something that can be said instead:

    “John McCain is George Bush’s handpicked successor.”

    See, no nonsense about friendsies, scored a direct hit.

  135. 135.

    Don

    August 27, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    “John McCain is my friend..”

    I’m so sick of hearing Democrats say that.

    Think of it like:

    “And Brutus in an honorable man.”

    Context is important.

  136. 136.

    John Cole

    August 27, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    So it goes with McCain. We ALL have friends we disagree with, often very substantively, but it doesn’t mean we don’t like them personally. I don’t think McCain hates his country, or hates me, I think he’s living in an alien, ancient world of non-interconnectedness and a paradigm of “us vs. them.” What’s the big deal?

    This failure to look in the mirror is constantly amazing to me.

    Exactly. Even Pat Buchanan is likable in his own way, even if you accept exactly who and what he is.

  137. 137.

    John O

    August 27, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Oh, and I don’t think this was Biden’s best effort, but I’m very confident he’ll wear well with the American electorate. He’s one of the few non-artificial forever-politicians in Washington who doesn’t get all caught up in what he says when it comes to “political correctness.”

    This won’t fail to impress non-moron Americans still uncommitted.

  138. 138.

    John O

    August 27, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    It is testament to the fall of the “Republican Party” in recent years that I have come to respect Pat Buchanan for his knowledge of history and adherence to his core beliefs. The man isn’t fake; even when he’s called out by his colleagues on the air for rank concern-trolling or some other stupid shit he just laughs at being busted.

    Even though I think his core beliefs (at least a lot of them) are absolutely insane.

    I’d enjoy a dozen beers with Pat.

  139. 139.

    Some guy

    August 27, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    I think Biden’s speech was really good. I liked it. It was not as good as Kerry’s, which for me rocked it out, or Bill’s which was masterful. But he really connected to working class people, stressed the economy in a human way, and brought a kind of rambly passion to it. He is not an orator, but he knows how to connect. I thought it worked well.

  140. 140.

    gopher2b

    August 27, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    I thought Biden’s speech sucked (the “that’s not change, that the same” was completely and totally lame). The lead was good, however. Getting his bio was also very useful. I honestly always believed he was born rich. I knew he was elected to the Senate at 30 and couldn’t believe a poor could accomplish that.

    Moment of the night had to be Michelle Obama’s reaction to hearing the story (which you know she had heard before) about Biden losing his wife and daughter, and nearly both sons, in a car crash — and his willingness (rightfully) to give up the Senate to care for them. She is so genuine. You can’t fake that shit.

  141. 141.

    OriGuy

    August 27, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    It doesn’t mean what you think it means.

    Ever heard a Southerner of a certain age say “Bless his heart?” It means “He couldn’t find his ass with both hands and a map.”

  142. 142.

    Thelonious

    August 27, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    “And Brutus in an honorable man.”

    Don, LOL. I’m going to mentally add that quote to the end of “John McCain is my friend” from now on.

    And I’m going to add “…Romans, countrymen…” everytime I hear McCain say, “My friends…”

    And the fact that McCain was probably there when Shakespeare wrote that line makes it even more enjoyable.

    Thanks for that.

  143. 143.

    phobos

    August 27, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    I’d enjoy a dozen beers with Pat.

    Hunter Thompson apparently did. Pat Buchanan is just a political geek like the rest of us.

    Creepy at times, but who isn’t.

  144. 144.

    wasabi gasp

    August 27, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    John McCain is my friend. I pat him on the head.

  145. 145.

    Brachiator

    August 27, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Jake Says:

    People around the world have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power.

    Clinton’s best line, and, in a nutshell, what McCain and the neocon cheesedicks will never understand.

    Yep. I had heard that Clinton was working on his speech up until the last minute. But the Old Rogue came through.

    He made up for a lot of past BS by being incredibly generous towards Obama, especially when he noted that as a former president, he was in a unique position to know what he was talking about, so that when he said that Obama was ready to be president, Clinton was laying the smack down as only he could.

    And earlier when Hillary called for Obama to be named the nominee by acclamation — well, this was an incredibly noble gesture. One commentator who was standing close by said that he could see tears in Senator Clinton’s eyes as she walked away afterwards.

    JasonF Says:

    Pure insanity from Riverdaughter:

    What they did to Bill tonight was disgusting. They tried to shut him up with all that applause so that he couldn’t speak. Hillary needs us to keep going.

    Riverdaughter and her ilk have officially gone from being merely pathetic to being certifiable. They are in need of some serious medication.

  146. 146.

    John O

    August 27, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Yep, phobos, ’tis true.

    And I do believe I’ve read everything Dr. Thompson ever wrote. A genius of a writer, and a professional when it came to recognizing and separating the difference between political hacks and human beings.

    His stuff on Luntz is priceless.

  147. 147.

    John O

    August 27, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    I thought that quote from Riverdaughter was fake, it was so stupid.

    Evidently not.

    Wow. Now THAT’S some hard-core bad analysis.

  148. 148.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    “John McCain is my friend..”
    I’m so sick of hearing Democrats say that.

    In addition to what others have said, consider that this is also saying “I am John McCain’s friend”, therefore, how much of a pacifistic socialistic DFH could I be?

  149. 149.

    Jon H

    August 27, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    Tammy Duckworth: Hard Core

  150. 150.

    alex milstein

    August 28, 2008 at 12:38 am

    I loved Joe Biden’s speech. I missed all the others, but I didn’t know that much about Biden, the person, and his speech made him seem exceptionally REAL to me. That whole story of his life, his mom smiling, the fact that he takes the train home every night to see his family, to me, he was a living example of AMERICAN FAMILY VALUES. It’s important for that stuff to get out there. It makes our team look so much more human.

    Then again, back in 2004, I asked some friends…how can anyone look at John Kerry and George W. Bush and not realize who was the better, brighter, more compassionate candidate? Somehow they still made the mistake.

  151. 151.

    Dylan

    August 28, 2008 at 9:42 am

    I liked Biden’s speech too. He seemed so real.

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