Jeebus. I leave the blog unattended for a day, and some of you go ape in the comments.
Enough with the bullshit about Palin’s baby. As I said the other day, it is the same damned thing as the Obama is a stealth muslim/birth certificate bullshit the lunatics at NoQuarter peddle, and I do not want to see that bullshit here. Take it somewhere else.
Period.
zzyzx
Thank you. THere’s enough real stuff to get her on, like her budget priorities
jake
John, I’m trying the cats on raw food. Didn’t feed them all day and they looked at the food, looked at me. Looked at the food.
Sleeping with the door barricaded tonight.
The Moar You Know
And it will be written on the tombstone of another Democratic campaign:
“He, too, took the high road.”
Well, there’s always 2012, assuming we still have elections by then.
Your blog, your call. I’m done with the subject.
Ripley
Baby story aside, I think there are going to be plenty of skeletons falling out of that closet. You just know it.
PC
Did you know Palin is a stealth Muslim?
Bey
Jake,
What’s your formula for raw? I fed raw for several years, but my supplier got flaky and I had to choose between using my freezer for people food or cat food.
gussie
He only met her once. He met her once, for fifteen minutes, before selecting her as his running-mate. Forget her budget woes, her creationism, her abuse of power, her absolute lack of any foreign policy experience … this is about McCain.
The person he chose to be a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world is an almost-complete stranger to him.
That’s unstable behavior.
Martin
He’s the decider! He makes executive decisions with his gut! He looked into her soul and saw that she was
a hot babeRonald Reagannot gonna die soona maverick! Vetting is for indecisive pussies. You know when he couldn’t vet people? When he was a POW in Nam, man! Why are you discrediting his service?(But yes, it really is all about him.)
Jeffro
My right-wing brother thinks Pailn is a great pick. I can’t tell (yet) if he’s pulling my leg.
My right-wing golf buddy, on the other hand (who I have a 2-case bet with regarding the election) is in a panic.
The only thing Obama & Biden have to do is not overreact, and all indications are that they haven’t. Those are going to be the 2 best cases of beer EVAH…
jake
It’s called Raw Advantage, purchased here. It might as well be called “Congealed glop in a bowl that’s being ignored because it doesn’t stink like half a hot dead catfish.”
Did your cat seem different after you took him off it? I’m not sure we’re up to the fun of another food switch.
SpotWeld
The more (real) information I’m hearing about Palin, the more she seems to be fitting into the whole “unitary executive” mindset.
NR
People, take your cue from Obama himself. This is his response to the Palin pick.
Palin is a distraction. The target is McCain. Never forget that.
Just Some Fuckhead
And I said yesterday you were wrong and yer still wrong today. This is nothing more than a rumored sex scandal. Nothing to do with treason on Palin’s part.
SGEW
My most sincere apologies for egging people on (and/or attempting to qualify the discussion) in the previous thread. Free speech and all that jazz. Sorry. But it is an interesting ethical question, re: the “ends justify the means” vs. “gain the world but lose your soul” question, viz. political campaigning.
Anyhoo. Another time, and a different subject, mayhaps?
(S.G.E.W. +5)
douglasfactors
Yeah, because going after Palin’s daughter was the only possible line of attack.
D-Chance.
Welcome to YOUR Democratic party, Cole. You deserve them.
In the meantime, let us all rejoice over New Orleans being hit with another major hurricane. Michael Moore, Dan Fowler, and others are just hoping and praying for hundreds (if not thousands) more deaths… it’s a blessing from God, dont’cha know.
Krista
That’s the thing: I’m sure that there are an awful lot of moderate-rights and independents right now (basically, anybody but the dyed-in-the-wool Republicans) who are shaking their heads and saying, “What the hell was he thinking?” It would be one thing if he picked someone qualified, who happened to be a woman, and was conscious of the fact that her being a woman would help matters. But in this instance, where she really seems to bring absolutely NOTHING else to the table, it really does appear to be a token gesture to try to win over disenchanted Hillary supporters. It’s so obvious as to be laughable, but there is a certain contingent of people who won’t care if it’s tokenism — they’ve just been itching for any excuse to vote McCain instead of Obama.
Sad, really.
On another note, I just came from what was actually a really enjoyable wedding. A nice short ceremony, great food, great music, and we were seated with two other couples, both of whom were awesome and funny and great to talk to. If only all weddings could be that kickass.
Bey
One of my cats never really did like the raw. The rest were ok with it. When I took them off, they didn’t seem to care either way. I feed Eukanuba dry right now with occasional canned food. They do fine – teeth are in great shape.
And they are no more interested in people food than they were before.
Graeme
I think it’s stupid to trash her, and I can’t believe some of the stupid (and sexist) stuff the left is doing just a few days after Hillary showed real (and very unexpected) class.
Enough with the bullshit. She’s not a threat, so why get the GOP base even more riled up? It’s the height of STUPIDITY to react to this. YOU ARE BEING BAITED.
Just wait. Obama will crush McCain in the first debate, and the VP debate will just look like piling on. This will happen without faked magazine covers and nonsense about her children.
To say nothing of the investigation in the AK Legislature.
There is enough rope there for a hanging. Let it happen.
Did you people really learn nothing from the power of Obama answering the McCain ad charges in a brilliant speech in the wake of a week when everyone was whining about his lack of fire? It’s called strategy. Relax and – above all – THINK.
dewberry
McCain and Palin are going to tour Mississippi tomorrow to “check on preparations.” I personally find this highly offensive and a distraction from the real work that needs to be done. It’s not a campaign event; it’s a killer storm.
Enough!
rob!
considering all the problems McCain is having finding songs to use for his campaign stops, may i suggest The Doors’ “The End?”
Seems appropriate.
And yes, please, let’s drop the whole “mystery baby” thing. Mrs. Palin is SO BAD on so many genuine, provable, above-board things that we don’t need to dig into the dirt.
mark
Looks like I picked the wrong day to fix the server.
/Cole
4jkb4ia
At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter. She still kept the baby. She is still raising it with Down’s syndrome. People knew about the misadventures of Al Gore III and it did not affect the election one iota. Our host is right to shout this down.
I undermine this whole comment by noting that Blake has got signs of life here.
Ripley
The person he chose to be a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world is an almost-complete stranger to him.
That’s unstable behavior.
Have you seen her ass? John McCain has.
Graeme
Meant to add a kudos to Cole for keeping it classy.
There’s no reason to take the low road. That’s what drove me out of the GOP. Constantly pointing fingers keeps the mamas boys from rolling up their sleeves and getting it done.
The Obama campaign already won the contest against a tougher opponent in Hillary. Cindy McCain is whining about Obama’s speech. Life is good.
Just Some Fuckhead
Look, I haven’t discussed it. I’ve just been a proponent for free speech. If John wants to call discussion of a sex scandal involving the Republican VP pick off-limits, it’s his right. But it should be viewed in the context of John shitting all over the Democrat Edwards re: the Rielle Hunter affair. And, of course, John speculated irresponsibly that Edwards was the father of Rielle Hunter’s baby despite no evidence.
Rules for me, rules for thee and all that jazz.
CharlesF
It might as well be called “Congealed glop in a bowl that’s being ignored because it doesn’t stink like half a hot dead catfish.”
Did your cat seem different after you took him off it? I’m not sure we’re up to the fun of another food switch.
I tried feeding mine the raw food diet with nutritional additives, but they did a starvation protest, so I turned to natural canned. Natural Balance, Eagle Pack, and a few others. After having made an emergency trip to the pet hospital, with multi-thousand dollar consequences, and doing lots of research on cat nutrition afterwards, all I can say is please, please don’t feed your cats dried food of any kind.
FLILF Hunter
Heh: “McPocalypse Now”
“Wasilla. Shit. Still in Wasilla.”
The Moar You Know
What we’re praying for is that the administration of George W. Bush doesn’t get another chance to prove their utter and complete incompetence. We’ve had quite enough, thanks.
Stay classy, bro.
L. Ron Obama
We’re saved — Kristol’s pick is in.
Ripley
rob! Says:
considering all the problems McCain is having finding songs to use for his campaign stops, may i suggest The Doors’ “The End?”
Weird. I just left this at S,N!:
zuzu's petals
Zuzu +.5 saignee
And I hardly ever drink.
CharlesF
My just-posted cat comment looks unclear now. I did the research, and tried giving them the raw diet, and then settled on the natural canned diet, AFTER having the medical problems because of using dry food as about half their diet.
Tim C.
Hey, the difference between the lefty and righty blog communities is the reaction to this kinda bullshit. They spooge themselves all the time with wacky stuff like this, where maybe a fourth of our side can do the whole 1+1=6 thing.
seriously, John is 100% right, leave the made-up bullshit to the GOP.
Warren Terra
I haven’t been participating in the scurrilous discussion (though I do eagerly await a good Grand Unified Campaign Slander that somehow involves every absurdity alleged about every candidate, true facts also welcome).
As noted upthread, the known truth is bad enough: Palin has a wafer-thin resume; she has no record of speaking out on, or even caring about, almost any national issues; McCain barely knows who she is, and only spoke to her once briefly before deciding; and she wasn’t vetted. And on that last point, there’s the Trooper saga, which is damning.
For those who haven’t seen it, this is the Trooper saga in a nutshell: Palin fired the Public Safety Commissioner who refused to fire her ex-brother-in-law (there were nasty allegations about him, but there’s a process for that sort of thing), replaced the Commissioner with an officially reprimanded sexual harrasser who lasted two weeks, lied about her role in the firing of the first guy and lied about what she knew about the record of the second guy, and got caught in her lies when the truth was shown to be documented. That’s all confirmed fact, it’s about her official and not her private behavior, and if there were any justice in the world it would mean that Palin wouldn’t even make it to St. Paul.
dbrown
Bush the cock sucker murders hundreds of thousands and thousands of Americans and a loonie like you makes such a stsatement? Please, you are welcome to the Republicans and McInsane with his eye-candy dumb asshole creationist.
Krista
Krista + 5 (at least, I think it was 5 — they kept filling up my glass at the wedding before it was empty, so I’ve lost track. But I would say it’s probalby 5 or 6 anyway.)
Warren Terra
Oh, and, top of the page at TPM right now is a link to this story about Palin’s flagrant abuse of power as Mayor. I’ve seen it elsewhere, but there’s a good summary there; in short, she fired the police chief for having endorsed her opponent in the mayoral election, and got a federal judge to say that was just jim dandy.
Not at that link is the story about how she also bankrupted her hometown, left about 6000 people with a $20 million debt after she became Governor.
Corner Stone
JSF says:
Nothing to add. The pure parody that is JSF speaks for itself here. Could you be any more sick in the just some fuckhead?
If you’ll let us know what theater you’ll be shouting “FIRE!” in this Sunday I’m sure we’d all appreciate it.
FLILF Hunter
This Troopergate thing presents a perfect frame that aligns with Obama/Biden’s “More of the same” theme. It’s essentially the junior varsity version of the “I call terrorist on you” approach to executive power Bush & Cheney have employed for the past eight years.
She’s the Klondike Monica Goodling.
PeterJ
If you would want to depress Palin’s impact then I guess the story that Alan Colmes writes about might be interesting. And there’s no 16 year olds in that one.
Martin
Never have, but those of us with scientific training can’t help but acknowledge that even tube worms are worthy of having someone dedicate their entire career to their study. Sometimes things get investigated simply because they are interesting rather than important. That’s all this is, for me at least.
Just Some Fuckhead
Sober up and try again.
rob!
sweet jesus, that made me laugh.
nightjar
Fuck of Corner Stone, and crawl back into your besotted hole. It’s everything and all you do yelling FIRE! with every word of every comment you make here. Your a bitter foul mouth pissant liar.
Conservatively Liberal
A cat seems to have adopted us. We don’t know who owns her, and she refuses to leave. Our house is almost always open, and about a week ago she decided to drop in about 2am. Sauntered in like she owned the place. She nosed around and left, but came back the next day and did the same thing. Now she refuses to leave, nobody will claim her and on top of that I am sure that she is pregnant.
We have been giving her something to drink but today I went and bought her some food because I am worried she is not eating while hanging around here. I am feeding her outside, and only a bit so as to encourage her to go home. But if she won’t leave I guess we have to take her out and shoot her.
Just kidding! We can keep a cat since we like them anyways, but she will have to get fixed. She looks like she is just coming out of being a kitten herself, so she is not very old. She has no meow but rather she sounds like a broken toy squeaker. Really cute black and white shorthair, really nice and she follows everyone who is walking around the house.
I guess that she is some family’s cat and the kids and/or dog were driving her crazy, and being pregnant she is looking for a quiet place to have the kittens. She is poking around everywhere that can be climbed into. Last night she was in our garage checking out the interior of the Mustang. I am keeping the windows rolled up now.
Gotta watch them Momma Cats closely, it looks like it won’t be long before she pops.
nightjar
My position also, but also not my blog. So there you have it.
mapaghimagsik
I have to agree. The kid thing goes nowhere. There’s a lot better routes to take.
Jon H
I’ve dropped the subject, but…
JSF wrote “If John wants to call discussion of a sex scandal”
It’s not a sex scandal. That’s entirely the wrong name for it.
The Moar You Know
Congratulations, you are now a cat owner :)
grumpy realist
Conservatively Liberal, you’ve described something very much like how my parents got one of our cats.
I got a dog the same way. Abandoned/runaway puppy, something whimpering outside my window one night, walk out, small puppy comes around the corner, bangs into me, sniffs my feet, then looks up with that heartbreaking:”you’ll take care of me, won’t you, mommy?” expression puppies all have.
Yeah, I got maternal instincts all right–just not for those with homo sapiens DNA.
Ed Marshall
I don’t think you need to ratfuck ,freaking, wierd ass, Jesus Jumping, doesn’t-know-shit-about-anything Palin to win this to win this thing. If I did I wouldn’t be beneath it, but it seems like way to grandiose a tactic to eliminate a cipher.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Doug H. +1 is afraid to think Moar’s right.
Eh, bedtime. Let’s see what the Sunday funnies have to say.
Just Some Fuckhead
Prolly the wrong term for what Edwards went through too but the point remains the same. Speculative bullshit is the same whether it’s posted by John on the front page or forbidden by John in the comments. Nebulous standards really aren’t standards. They’re just an excuse for a surprising and cruel backhand.
Lidane
Has anyone seen the New Yorker post on Palin’s praise for Obama?
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2008/09/08/080908ta_talk_gourevitch
She’s hopelessly out of her depth at this level of politics. I almost feel bad for her, because McCain pretty much just chose her at random without properly vetting her. She’s going to get eaten alive by the media scrutiny.
b-psycho
I’d be drunk right now too, but the car beat me to the money.
Jon H
“McCain/Palin: The Ticket For America”
“Sorry, we can’t afford the ticket because we’re still paying off your tab.”
LiberalTarian
+ 3 from the Greek festival.
Fan-fucking-tastic. I asked if I could join, but turns out you have to be born Greek to get in. :o(
I did learn how to make dolmathes, though. Worth the price of admission, all by itself.
Brian
“But in this instance, where she really seems to bring absolutely NOTHING else to the table, it really does appear to be a token gesture to try to win over disenchanted Hillary supporters. It’s so obvious as to be laughable, but there is a certain contingent of people who won’t care if it’s tokenism—they’ve just been itching for any excuse to vote McCain instead of Obama.”
That’s just it. It’s not that she can’t be ready some day. It’s that she’s not ready now. Like Obama, she has a relatively short political resume, but unlike Obama, she hasn’t spent almost two years creating a platform while thinking about national issues and consulting experts. Maybe I’m wrong, but hasn’t she said something to the equivalent of the fact that she hasn’t thought a lot about Iraq. Really? Because my guess is, she’d have to think about that, just a little, if she were the vice president. And if she became president, it’s not an issue she can ignore, to say the least. What about health care and tax policy?
Today I went to work, and during the pre-shift meeting, some of the guys I work with were jazzed about this pick. Some were happy because she’s hot; others were pleased because they are conservatives and feel that this is a way to inject some energy into the campaign and that this helps McCain. I don’t think they know what’s going to hit them. Unless she’s some sort of exceptionally quick study, she’s going to look completely overwhelmed. She’s going to look like a nice person who is in over her head, someone who can’t possibly meet the challenges she’s going to face. And it’s not necessary to simply go after her in order to make her look like a lightweight. As so many have said, that would probably backfire. Instead, the Obama campaign is going to figure out a way to tie her to McCain’s lack of judgment. And if they are as good as they seem to be, it’s going to be a massacre.
Ed Marshall
I’m not a huge balloon-juice consumer but I don’t remember him being on the Mickey Kaus bandwagon regarding Edwards. I remember him coming on board after Edwards admitted the affair and putting out some speculation that it was his baby. That’s *way* better speculation than a the sort that leads you to the grand-daughter, crypto daughter, speculation going on last I knew.
Martin
Have no fear, the POW is here!
Now, the appropriate response would be for Bush to take action and McCain to be supportive but get out of the way, but no, it’ll the the reverse. Good governance only matters when an election is on the line, and then it’s only about the stagecraft of good governance.
Conservatively Liberal
There is more than enough material to tear her down legitimately without going there with the whole baby mess. Besides, there are enough people who are tearing into that angle elsewhere. If a major news source goes with the story though, I would say that opens it up somewhat to open speculation but even then I don’t think it is a productive line to take.
Palin is a target rich environment on so many other points relative to her being a heartbeat away from leading the most powerful nation that this is a distraction. A waste of time better spent on the other material she has so nicely provided.
I heard that she was on the trail today and said something to the effect that ‘this is nice because I am seeing new places’. If that is the case then material like this is priceless because it showcases her lack of ‘worldliness’, even within her own country.
TrooperGate is another gem, as is her racking up $20 million in debt as mayor of a small town that can’t afford it. Her pipeline deal is going to lose the state money because the Canadians will have their pipelines built first and the Alaskan one waits until 2015 before construction starts, after the Canadian gas starts flowing into the state.
Palin is not making all of the right wingers happy. While Dobson has endorsed McCain, I am sure that some of his followers are asking themselves ‘Why? What did adding Palin, a political neophyte, do to make a difference?’ and I don’t blame them one bit. Right now the loudmouthed righties are trying to make lemonade out of absolutely nothing.
She was a shock to the establishment, and you can bet that the communication lines on the right are burning up over this choice. It will be interesting to see how that sorts out, but IMO McCain handed us a gift in that the only people who like her are the religious wingnuts. She has people on both sides who question her selection, and that is a good thing for us.
I think the people on the right who don’t like her are going to bite their tongue for now and see if she sinks or swims. All we have to do is go after McCain on the legitimate issue of ‘Why Palin?’ and make sure that we toss out good anchors for the right while they are treading water.
It’s the least we could do for them.
Jon H
JSF wrote: “Prolly the wrong term for what Edwards went through too”
No, he had definitely been involved in some illicit sex, behind the back of his wife, so ‘sex scandal’ fits.
I don’t see how ‘sex scandal’ fits when a third party entirely did the sexin’ and was entirely within their rights to do so. If the whole story’s bogus, then it’s hardly a scandal for a married woman to have sex with her husband.
But I’m shutting up now.
Max B.
vis-a-vis gov. p – the only obvious conclusion.
http://stanleyjewbrick.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-final-obvious-conclusion.html
Corner Stone
nightjar says:
Waaaaaiiiiitttt a second here nightjar. Normally I never say anything about the spelling faux pas but here you’re accusing me of being hammered and yet I see at least 3 spelling errors plus an incoherent sentence. At least have the decency to preview while you’re masturbating to John Cole’s site.
But let’s not quibble on the small stuff. I think we can agree you are a worthless piece of shit who no one could give one tiny fuck less about listening to, yes? Yes.
LiberalTarian
In line at the ATM I heard women talking in hushed tones about McCain picking Palin as his running mate. They were like, “Well, this isn’t going to go well. What on earth was he thinking.” They asked me, and I said, “You mean Failin’ Palin? Well, if you are from that mindset, I guess she hits all the right notes.” They didn’t look happy, and had very little to say about it. I think McCain did one of the things he can’t really afford to do–disappointed Republican voters.
kyrol
Hey, I tried to save the previous thread with some Rich Rodriguez schadenfreude, but my comment is still awaiting moderation. Sheesh!
Corner Stone
JSF says:
Awesome rebuttal my good man. Were you the head of your college debate team, or merely the second chair?
You’re just wrong here you disgusting piece of shit. Don’t take it out on me because your homo-worship hero John Cole smacked your punk ass down on all the things you considered true and noble.
You’re just a bottom feeder on society. Deal with it.
Ed Marshall
As a currently besotted commenter, who is saying fuck spelling and grammer, you are both drunk to my humble besotted opinion and the best recourse is some version of online hugs and “you know, you are my friend”. Hopefully without the handshake at the end where you try to outgrip each other and start swinging.
Dennis - SGMM
Wiki says:
In psychology, psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions to others.
Max Power
No she won’t.
The scrutiny will be of the kind “Mooseburgers on the Potomac: Is Palin too much of a self-reliant frontierswoman for Washington?”.
If she were a Democrat, the wingnutosphere would be whooping it up with baby rumors, homecoming queen sniggers, and trooper-gate references. But she’s not and so it won’t happen.
nightjar
You no buddy, most trolls at least wait until somebody tells them the obvious, that they’re full of shit before they start with the name calling. But that’s all there is to you. There is nothing more. You waste bandwith with nothing to say but incoherent smart ass tough guy cheeto prattle. Any idiot can do that, and you do it well. once more- Fuck Off.
Corner Stone
I still haven’t figured out what this means but, ummmm,…+1?
Conservatively Liberal
We figured as much, thus the catfood. I can’t take those eyes possibly staring at me saying I’m hungry!, plus the squeak she makes is pretty cute. Not a single meow, just that squeak. It kind of sounds like a squeaky hinge, and I keep joking about getting out the 3in1 oil and adding it to her food. ;)
I’m a sucker for a female with nice eyes and a cute squeak.
Ed Marshall
Actually, Corner Stone? Where are you on the societal rung? Maybe you aren’t a bottom feeder but you aren’t up there on the pecking order to be sure given your writing skills. You are either a bottom feeder or one level above it.
Corner Stone
How many have you had nightjar?
LiberalTarian
I want a cat! So, do you think if I put catfood out on the porch some lovely kitty will adopt me?
My possum got run over last weekend. Sure, it was just in my yard to eat my tomatoes, but I was kind of attached. Found the poor mite in the road last Sunday. The bar crowd apparently couldn’t be bothered to go around. :(
Corner Stone
Ed –
Not sure where you’re going with this my man. My comment about bottom feeding related to JSF’s persistence on flushing out the faux baby Palin non-story as fair game. I couldn’t care less where people fit in actual society, re: economic or educational, etc.
The determination to make this specific issue a legit topic is what I was referring to.
Corner Stone
Dennis –
Holy shit man. That nailed me. I can’t believe you used the wiki to hoist me on my own self-important petard.
Nicely done sir. I tip my cap to thee. You are truly the insightful one on this delightful blog.
Bey
Possums are notoriusly unwise around traffic. Where I come from that’s the harbinger of spring.
Anyone who wants a kitty should head to their nearest shelter. They’re overflowing this time of year. Get two because the only thing cuter than a kitten is 2 kittens. Plus they will keep each other entertained.
Kevin
You’re more likely to adopt a pet rat doing that.
Kevin
Now on Pajamas TV: John Assrocket.
Who’s next, Amy Alkon?
zuzu's petals
Having drunk my entire glass of saignee, I’m realizing what fun it is to read/comment while slightly tipsy…well, more than slightly because yes, I am a lightweight. (whoo, I almost wrote lightwate…hee hee)
That said, I just watched last night’s “Real Time” and must say it’s one of the few times I’ve watched it all the way through. Wow, does that panel (new citizen Craig Ferguson, NPR person Michel Martin, and Gov. Corzine) hit the nail on the head re Obama, Obama’s speech, and Palin. Even though Martin irritatingly kept saying that Palin had been Governor exactly as long as Kaine, who was on the Dem short list…not true, he’s been Gov’r 3 yrs, and was Lt. Gov’r for four years before that, and councilman/mayor of Richmond for several years before that.
Indylib
Rome Again
John, I just have a question:
I’m not questioning the parentage of the child, but the fact that this child has a debilitating disability and his momma’s decided to go off during an important part of this child’s life (the bonding period) and the level of care this child needs, to be the Vice President seems awfully irresponsible to me. Am I allowed to talk about this?
I will comply with whatever you decide. Thank you.
zuzu's petals
My own sexist but funny Palin joke.
What happens if McCain slumps over dead?
The Stewardess is Flying the Plane ! ! !
Kevin
I have a problem with this tack.
If Palin was a male, there’s no way in hell this question would come up.
Palin is an idiot, a chump, a creationist, abuser of her authority, completely unqualified for the job. Isn’t that enough?
Fern
And if you are getting two kittens, get them at the same time, and try to get litter mates – they have already worked out the social dynamics.
Also tempting though it is, don’t get ones that are too young – really can’t judge temperament right off.
LiberalTarian
Ok. Off to SPCA for kittens! Well, next day they are open, anyway. +4.5
Conservatively Liberal
How does a Republican in Alaska view the selection of Palin (via the Anchorage Daily News?
They just luv her!
Kevin
It just occurred to me who this Palin woman reminds me of: Janine Turner, from Northern Exposure. Moose-burger eater, right-wing loon.
Gebghis
The reason stories like the one about the child come up is because Palin hasn’t been properly vetted.
I don’t think she’ll be on the ticket by October 1st. It won’t take long for something ugly to rise to the surface, either about her tenure in government or something in her family’s private life. The troopergate 2.0 investigation will be bad enough, and the audio tape of her laughing as a talk show host calls one of her rivals a cancer and a b*t*h are only the beginning.
For the religious right, none of this will matter. For the rest of us, it’s time to volunteer to save the nation.
God Bless America indeed….
Best….G
The Moar You Know
Wow, I go out for a while and it’s just like when your dog has eaten something that’s been rotting in the sun for a couple of days…
Corner Stone has had a diarrhea attack and shit all over the place!
Bad dog!
You face a difficult decision here, Corner Stone. Loperamide will stop you from crapping everywhere, but since it slows down the excretory functions, you will, remarkably, be even more full of shit than when you started.
How to fit three hundred pounds of shit in a two hundred pound body is a mystery that only science can solve, I fear.
Jon H
“but the fact that this child has a debilitating disability and his momma’s decided to go off during an important part of this child’s life (the bonding period) and the level of care this child needs”
Actually, he’s probably at an age where he’s fairly easy to take along. And it’s not like they’ll be hitchhiking, riding taxicabs and Greyhounds and squeezing into coach for the next flight. Private planes, private buses, SUV convoys? Not really a problem, I don’t think.
Anyway, it’s “just” down’s syndrome. It’s not like he requires a respirator or dialysis or a feeding tube in his stomach. I could very well be wrong, but I’d think he’s just like any baby at this age.
On the positive side, all the traveling will undoubtedly provide a lot more stimulation to his developing brain than he’d get at home.
Kevin
That is true. I do find it kind of amusing how right-wingers excuse their own female politicians from the whole “traditional family values” stay-at-home-mom fantasy they have. Did Anita Bryant take her own advice?
Martin
Actually, it would from a lot of people. Special needs children are very hard work. I have a male coworker with an autistic child and its completely taken over his life – and he only has a 40 hr/wk job.
L. Ron Obama
According to the McCain campaign, Palin has been thoroughly vetted and was absolutely not a last-minute decision. Or … was she?
Just Some Fuckhead
What is it about free speech that scares you all so much? Why are we drawing the line here? I have to admit it’s very puzzling, as others have noted. I don’t ever remember John smacking down the Hillary deadenders when they were in here peddling the same tired BS about Obama. In fact, John’s motto was let ’em post whatever the hell they wanted and then get chewed up by the commenters. (I’ll admit I may have missed a random drunken smackdown in the comments from John once but surely I didn’t miss a frontpage warning, did I?)
If you don’t like something, ignore it. I’ve successfully ignored the last couple hundred myiq droppings and most of Corner Stone’s hysterics. I’ve not liked about 50% of the shit w. vincentz has offered up and yet I never once felt compelled to tell him he couldn’t say it or – and this is the important part – express outrage, outrage I tell ya.
With respect CL, it doesn’t matter if you think it’s productive no more than it matters that nightjar doesn’t think there’s any merit to it. I find the circumstances curious and the speculation interesting and that’s enough to allow me to enjoy the topic. Other smart people also appear to be similarly motivated.
To some of you other would-be censors who think free speech should be subjugated to your own flaccid political jujitsu, fine – subjugate your speech. Be the change you want to see in others. Leave my speech the hell alone. I’m not here on earth representing the Obama campaign. I’m just some fuckhead representing some fuckhead.
Dumbasses like Corner Stone who
can’trefuse to recognize the difference between random anonymous commenters on a blog and the views of the proprietor of the blog can’t be allowed to queer the whole deal for everyone. This cannot be allowed to be a reason to make capricious rules that are arbitrarily enforced, if at all.One of the big draws of Balloon-Juice is the free-wheeling give and take. Any damnfool Republican or Talkleft moron can pull rules out of their ass, set limits on speech, delete comments and ban users. It takes a true patriot to the ideals of this country to stand up for speech that is derided as unworthy, unproductive, improper, out of bounds, unimportant or not sufficiently aspirational.
Having run a multiline BBS for years and years back in the day, I’m sympathetic to the John Coles of this world. It’s a little heady having absolute power. Couple that with the thought you are doing absolute good and the results are the sorts we see around the toobz: pretty hideous comment mismanagement. But what continues to shock me is that no one ever pushes back. On a blog with dozens of putative liberals, it’s a bit disturbing to hear “Okay, boss.” as a reply to “You can’t say that!” and frankly downright demoralizing to hear “Thank you for crushing free speech, sir.”
Well, not me goddammit. I’d rather be banned than acquiesce to arbitrary censorship. Because it is in fact ME that has the standards this blog likes to tout. So fire away, motherfuckers. Let it be known throughout the intertrons that some fuckhead was the only one who took a stand against the tyranny of the majority.
Or, ya know, whatever. And just for the record, please note that I did not in fact discuss you know what.
Fuckhead +4 percoset
Kevin
I understand that. Do you really think that if Palin was male, those questions would be raised at all? I’m talking about the way the political press works, and shitheads who post on blogs.
SGEW
Huh. The (almost) exact same thing happened to me about a month and a half ago. My cat came in through the window after a storm . . . and I live on the fifth floor. Determined little kitty! Now she won’t leave, and she appears to love me very much. That’s what I get for feeding her, I suppose.
Well shit on me, look at that: I’m drunk and talking about my cat on the internets. The warnings were true! I’ve become everything I once heckled. Crapola.
(S.G.E.W. + ?)
Kevin
Wow, Fuckhead, do you think you could expand on that? You weren’t long-winded enough the first time.
Mrs. Peel
Um, if Palin was a male and gave birth to the kid, I’m sure a lot more questions than that would come up.
Since they’re selling Palin’s “Hockey Mommy and me” creds, it’s a pretty fair territory to wander into.
L. Ron Obama
Fuckhead, don’t stop… I’m so close. I’ve experienced the Dirty Sanchez and the Hot Carl but never the Patrick Henry.
PC
Like dear old dad said, “Son, these rats aren’t going to fuck themselves.”
SGEW
You know, if y’all allow trolls to run free, why try to squelch Just Some Fuckhead?
Just sayin’.
(Peace out, JSF. For real.)
Jon H
No cats here, but until recently I owned a bunch of scorpions.
Now I’m contemplating the purchase of a hedgehog.
L. Ron Obama
If there were anyone “squelching” him, you might have a valid point.
Martin
I’d be raising those questions. I think some other people would as well. Not as many, no, but then we don’t have a society that sees parents as equally important, now, do we? But that’s a problem we need to address.
So my answer is that no, unfortunately the questions wouldn’t be getting raised if it was a man, but it’s not that we shouldn’t be asking about the mom, rather we should also be asking about the dad.
And a special needs child *is* different. It just is, and since Sarah voluntarily talks about how she chose to have this child to score points in the pro-life community, I don’t see that she gets a pass on the question of whether this choice is best for the child. In 4 years, I wouldn’t give it much thought – by then they’d have their routine down, they’d know the child’s needs, any secondary effects, and so on. It’d still be hard, but they’d at least know how to manage the day. But at 4 months? No way. Many people have turned down intensive job changes when they have family developments – I have, many of my friends have (all men, I should point out). This just doesn’t sit right with me.
Jon H
It’s just a matter of training and direct neural stimulation.
vaux-rien
Hating the Irish?
oh really
I just read one of the funniest things ever. Apparently,
Hmmm. Let’s see. Wasn’t nominating Harriet Miers to be a justice of the Supreme Court disrespectful to the position of Supreme Court justice?
And what about old what’s his name…Alberto Gonzales? Talk about disrespect for an office (not to mention the Constitution, the law, etc.). Actually, the list of disrespectful appointments made by Bush or his underlings is almost identical to the list of appointments made by Bush and his underlings.
But the all-time champion ultimate insult to an office or position has got to be (drum roll) electing George W. Bush to the office of the presidency? There really should be a category in Guinness for that. Not to mention recognition by Ripley’s Believe It or Not. (I still don’t.)
zuzu's petals
Yeah, they were joking about Lydia Green, the GOP politician quoted in the comment just before yours (“not ready to be Governor… etc.”). And she actually is a cancer survivor.
J. Michael Neal
If you’re in the Twin Cities, I have a spare. Five was too many when I was married. When my wife left, taking one, four was definitely too many for just me. Giving away the right cat, I could turn it into three that are manageable. Ringling would do very well as a solo cat. She’s calm, quiet, and snuggles in bed. I suspect that, on her own, she’d be a great cat. Under the right set of circumstances, she could possibly train a kitten to meet her standards.
If anyone in the Minneapolis area wants a sweet, quiet, unassertive, seven pound cat, and can convince me that she’d be going to a good home, it love to find her a new place. She comes with a canvas butterfly chair, which is the best place to get petted, ever.
Calouste
Btw, Palin might have left Wasilla with a $20 million deficit and a reputation as the meth capitol of Alaska, but after she got in the governor’s mansion 8% of the budget now goes to the Wasilla areas (which has about 2% of the Alaskan population). She’s making up for it.
So if for the next four years you want to keep Alaskans warm on your dime and build all kinds of nice bridges there, vote McCain/Palin.
She just a run-of-the-mill Alaskan bring-home-the-bacon poitician, writing $1200 checks to every Alaskan to keep warm in the winter, even thought the state budget was cut by tens of millions. As far as I can see, the only reason for her to expose the corruption in the Alaskan GOP was to find out where the trough was, get the pigs that were currently feeding there out of the way, and get her snout in herself.
The Moar You Know
Well, then she and John “Keating Five” McCain really are a match made in heaven. The perfect Republican couple. I guess Cindy’s gonna be getting limp seconds from here on out.
Jon H
“Yeah, they were joking about Lydia Green, the GOP politician quoted in the comment just before yours (“not ready to be Governor… etc.”). And she actually is a cancer survivor.”
I fully expect the media to laugh this off as “that gritty frontier humor. You know, like on Deadwood!”
oh really
Conservative Liberal
Congratulations on the new cat. A suggestion. Take her to be fixed now. Depending on how far along she is, the kittens can be aborted at the same time. I know that may sound heartless, but there are way, way too many cats in this country. I have three, two adopted from shelters. The third showed up starving and apparently pregnant. I took her to the vet, who agreed to terminate the pregnancy and spay her at the same time. Even though the vet also thought she was pregnant, it turned out she had a seriously infected uterus. No kittens, but the operation probably saved her life. Today, she’s healthy and a real beauty.
However, if you allow her to live with you, you must understand you don’t “own” her. In fact, there’s a funny saying: Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.
Martin
Hey, calling a cancer survivor a bitch and laughing about it on radio is mavericky. Mavericks don’t sit around making quilts, now do they? No sir, we want a president we can have a beer with and have a good laugh at the expense of the less fortunate. I wonder if Sarah knows any good retard jokes? Nah, probably not – they usually suck at that shoe on the other foot stuff.
zuzu's petals
Well, and the story that she “turned down the money” for that bridge is just a little, uhm … false.
I do see that she is starting to be referred to as “The OTHER Bridge to Nowhere.”
L. Ron Obama
So that’s two for last-second pick, then.
JoyceH
You SOOOO underestimate the self-involved egotism of the media! McCain surprised them. They don’t like to be surprised. They like to be in the know.
So now they’re going to consider themselves duty bound to find out something about Palin that McCain doesn’t know, and surprise him right back.
Joshua Norton
Hmmm. Interesting call. I really didn’t think of that angle.
There probably is a lot more to this VP throw-away candidate than meets the eye right now.
Or not. Who knows? Just buy the right kind of donuts for the next bus ride and all will be forgiven.
Calliope
L. Ron Obama,
I’ve noticed that both of these accounts skirt the other reason ‘the base’ would revolt at McCain picking Lieberman: he’s a jew. I’m jewish, and I don’t believe for a second that Lieberman’s jewishness didn’t play a huge part in McCain passing him over. Because we’re all going to burn in hell, don’t cha know.
Criminey, Joe, what did you think was going to happen when you hopped into bed with a bunch of fundy whack jobs?
Calouste
From the NYT article linked above by L. Ron Obama:
Good behavior for a fighter pilot, baaaaaad behavior for a president.
oh really
Is there evidence that McCain was a good fighter pilot? Other than all the planes he crashed, I mean.
Martin
Well, he didn’t die. That counts for a lot in a pilot.
TenguPhule
He was incompetent at even getting that right.
Sleeper
As opposed to George Bush, who fucked off to an easy week of fundraisers after Governor Blanco formally requested aid from the federal government before Katrina’s landfall. He didn’t sit around hoping and praying, he got off his ass and directly caused those deaths. Good on him.
“But but, Ray Nagin! School buses! Take responsibility! Bootstraps! Why can’t those lazy
blackpoor people construct their own sophisticated levee system rather than waiting for the government to bail them out, that’s socialism!” etc. Your right, Bush covered himself with glory here.ksmiami
Just curious, but does anyone see this pick as indicative of how much the GOP holds Obama in contempt. I mean this is surreal
Sleeper
I know it’s popular around Left Blogistan to say “Just wait for the debates,” but in recent years I’ve seen President Numbnuts embarrass himself and the country he leads with his pathetic showings, and the media fell over themselves qualifying his non-victorious non-defeats. Rove would quite openly dial down expectations, spouting obvious lies about how the stodgy (2000 model) Al Gore and the achingly dull John Kerry were just the most inspiring and fiercesome debaters in American history, and they weren’t, and Bush came out looking like a genius (well, by Broder standards I guess). And this year we’ve got a candidate known for giving excellent speeches (but who was indifferent in the debates, I think), and they’ve got someone notorious for being a shitty, boring public speaker. So long as John McCain makes it to the end of the debate without going into cardiac arrest, many in the media will be happy to dub him the winner (“He won by not losing!”).
I think there’s a similar danger regarding the Biden-Palin debate. She might be able to score some points by blathering on about drilling or the sanctity of life, but foreign affairs will just kill her. I can’t see the erstwhile Mayor of Wasilla weighing in on NATO expansion in the Caucasus or getting Hu Jintao to help us deal with Kim Jong Il.
But will any of it matter? We’re such a superficial goddamn country, I can’t tell what makes people vote the way they do. I’ve met people who make less than $30,000 a year who gleefully voted for Bush twice, and it just astonishes me. America is just a deeply strange nation.
Conservatively Liberal
You’ve been assimilated. ;)
The wife and I talked it over and she wants to keep two of the kittens. Three cats around the house sounds ok with me, and the kids are joyous. We are going to take the cat into the vet next week to give her the once-over and make sure that everything is ok. I am sure that we will be able to find homes for the remainder of the kittens, but they all will be fixed before going anywhere.
You are right about cats having staff. Every dog I have owned was just that, the dog I owned. Cats? No way. They own you. Dogs need you, cats just tolerate you when they need to.
And for some reason we fall for it. The cats know suckers when they see them. ;)
I wonder if he is aware that the Oval Office is not equipped with an ejector seat.
Sleeper
The Hunter affair did not end John Edwards’s campaign. (Losing every primary did.) It was just garden-variety gossipmongering that came out long after he’d thrown in the towel. This rumor is being held up by some as a great vulnerability that Obama needs to exploit, or at least encourage the blogosphere to exploit by not explicitly condemning it. And that’s not only dishonorable (which should matter to some), it’s a terrible idea politically (which matters to all of us who want to see Obama win). Going after Palin’s personal life is not only irrelevant to the lives of the electorate, who want to know how to pay their mortgages and get out of Iraq, but it goes against Obama’s well-established brand, and it makes him look desperate to boot.
Besides, every minute spent criticizing the non-entity Palin is a minute not spent tearing into John McCain as the second coming of George Bush. The phrase “Hail Mary pass” is being bandied about, and it’s accurate. Schmidt was hoping for a gamechanger, and it’s critically important for Obama and Biden to keep on hammering him as if he hadn’t announced a VP pick at all. Over at TalkLeft (wait, wait, hear me out) BTD says that Palin is a smart pick who neutralizes Obama’s ability to criticize her because of her inexperience. This completely ignores that McCain, in order to insulate his young Dominionist running mate from criticism, just sacrificed his biggest critique of Obama himself in the process. If McCain was hoping that this choice might excite the pro-life Christofascist base, he should have made it months and months ago, instead of squandering a summer that could have been spent on GOTV with Dobson and his creeps. Total waste. Unless Palin is dynamite on legs and takes to the campaign trail like a fish to water, I think what enthusiasm her selection engendered is going to melt away like a birthday cake left out in the rain. McCain may not have conceded the race here, but it seems like he just tied his own shoelaces together for us.
JGabriel
KSMiami:
I see it more as indicative of how the GOP holds the country in contempt.
But that’s nothing new.
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Sleeper
I don’t give a shit if Palin is the worst parent in the world. For that matter, I’m not really concerned if Obama or Biden are mean to their kids, either. Going after this is not going to push those who would otherwise vote for McCain into abandoning him, and it just might make undecided voters sympathize with Palin, a rookie politician whose family is being dragged through the mud. That’s very sellable, and they’ll sell it, and it will work. Just leave it alone, it’s a goddamned waste of time.
Sleeper
It’s not really relevant though. Palin can fuck her family’s lives up all she wants to, that’s her lookout. We win by pointing out how she’d fuck up yours and mine with disastrous GOP policies.
I know some people think that delving into her personal life is a good strategy, but it’s not. She does have a nice little personal story, and her family life seems to be a success. On a superficial level, she so far seems to be an appealing person, and so the less said about her the better. McCain, McCain, McCain. That’s the way to go. I mean, does anyone seriously think that Sarah Palin is going to be a valuable partner to President McCain? She’s window dressing. No need to legitimize her by addressing her, let the gimmick of her nomination stick out like a sore thumb. In fact, it makes McCain look arrogant and foolish, as if he thinks he can do it all by himself without picking the best qualified VP.
oh really
It’ll be fun. Good luck.
I doubt if he even knows the Oval Office is oval. I’m sorry, the guy was a POW, or at least I heard a rumor to that effect, so I suppose I should go easy on him.
PeterJ
And I would say that that is a very good point.
Sleeper
McCain, McCain, McCain. Sorry, but they want us to let up on “McCain = Bush,” and there’s nothing to be gained from abandoning that quite accurate line of attack in order to poke around Punky Brewster’s family life. It’s a dead-end.
Conservatively Liberal
McCain is the head of the beast, Palin is the tail. Attack the tail and the head turns and bites. Attack the head because the tail does nothing and has no teeth. The head is the target, the tail does nothing but cover the asshole. The head keeps the
assholetail going. Without the head, the tail is useless.Strangely, that makes sense to me.
JGabriel
Conservatively Liberal:
But what do you do with a target, like McCain, who has his head up his ass?
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JGabriel
Conservatively Liberal:
But what do you do with a target, like McCain, who has his head up his ass?
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Conservatively Liberal
That means he must be after some tail. ;)
Take the tail by the end and wrap it around his neck. Tightly.
jake
Fixed.
Montysano
I’ll join Moar and Fuckhead in my disappointment. The official story (forget about the daughter) is so odd that I think it warrants discussion, but this is JC’s joint, so I’ll abide and shut up.
gil mann
If by “Obama” you mean “the American people, especially female voters,” then yes.
John
I think it’s worth pointing out that:
1) Flying for 9 hours after one’s water has broken endangers the baby.
2) Driving for 45 minutes to a podunk hospital after landing in Anchorage endangers the baby.
3) Fifth babies tend to come out VERY quickly.
It looks to me as if she wanted this baby to die. She’s all about saving unborn babies, right?
SteveinSC
I was in a car wreck one time. Does that make me qualified to run General Motors?
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Who’s this “some” saying this? Like I said: Obama shouldn’t touch it with a ten-foot pole. Why should he even bother to mention it, even if to condemn it? That’s worse than not talking about it at all.
w vincentz
@JSF,
Thanks for agreeing with me 50% of the time and bringing me into your rant (though I haven’t posted in this thread).
Carry on (as I’m in no way opposed to “free speech”).
I’ll listen, though I might not agree with you half the time either.
grumpy realist
Am thinking that this might come back to bite McCain in a way he doesn’t expect if he’s thinking this will bring the PUMAs (all 10 of them) on board:
I know that the “theme” has been Hillary and the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pantsuits being royally narked at having put in all those hours at the job and then having been jumped over by a smooth-talking fast-rising young man…
Well, let me tell you as a member of the female persuasion, women get even MORE pissed off when they find all their hard work and years get passed over by the CEO putting a “cute lit’l thang” in a position far over her demonstrated capabilities. There may even be *questions* as to exactly *what* he is getting in return….
John McCain may be thinking he’s playing on the “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” trope, but there’s also the trope of the Hollywood-casting-couch which also is lurking around in the collective US unconsciousness.
(Americans don’t have history; they have movie plots instead. Unfortunately, attempting to create a database of collective common knowledge of How The World Works from movies results in decisions that are, um, wrong. In reality, 99% percent of the time Goliath beats David.)
gil mann
Sniff those panties a little harder, John. To the point of suffocation would be nice.
Christ, I can’t believe I have to spend all my time from now until November defending a hard-right anti-science lunatic from members of my own party. Assuming you’re not a conservative plant, in which case here, have some grudging admiration.
Veeshir
I still love this place. I don’t comment here much (watching people throw poo at me is only occasionally funny) but watching you people claim to take the high road while actually being despicable is too darn funny.
And no, I’m not talking about John’s original post, but the poo-flinging monkeys in the comments, like Montysano who links to some despicable crap while saying he will follow John’s wishes is just funny.
I do have a question, most of you here are like parodies of caricatures of what righties think of lefties, how many of you are actually conservatives doing performance art?
Bill H
Nonetheless, there are limits.
Molly has recently developed the theory that the decision as to when we get up in the morning is hers, to be implemented by yelling and screaming in the hallway in the morning until we come to the kitchen to put food in her dish.
This morning when the yelling started she got picked up and tossed into the hall bathroom and the door shut on her. Her litterbox is in there, and there is water in the sink. She remained there in stunned silence until we exercised our decision as what time to arise and put food in her dish.
It remains to be seen how that works out for future mornings when she anticipates the action and doesn’t stand still and allow herself to be caught for the bathroom imprisonment. It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that once will be enough, though, since she is actually a pretty cooperative little crittur.
Martin
Nope. Need 4 more crashes to show that you’re really up to the task.
Oh, did you graduate in the bottom 1% of your class? That’s important too.
Alas, no. It looks like McCain didn’t really consult the GOP on this one. He didn’t get his Lieberbuddy and he gave the GOP a big fuck-you with his VP choice. It shows McCain’s contempt for everything not McCain and a party with no leadership or direction, however.
Shannon K.Walsh, Esq.
I applaud John’s smack down of this line of smear. I am a bit amused as there is a group of blog commenters talking about how she was speaking in Texas at a political meeting during her 9th month and her water broke and she waited to go home on Alaska Airlines AFTER she gave the speech, putting the unborn child at risk. Then there are folks who are willing to gossip that the child is really her daughter’s child and that it was incest and so on. Holy Mother of God, why go there? That is really unfair to that young girl, she is not in the public eye and you all should not drag her into it, despite her mother’s obvious lack of concern for her family’s privacy. There is no reason to take this tact, her political record, lack of real experience, her sub-par education, her ethics problems and her political positions on abortion, birth control, the environment (including her hunting with automatic weapons from a helicopter), creationism, her lack of knowledge of foreign policy, economics, etc. is more than enough to make her a non-starter. Go to DailyKos.com and read desmoinesdem’s diary about the religious right blogs she monitored and the reaction of those types (GOP base) MANY have questioned this VP selection as she is a mother of 5, including a new baby. They believe she must stay home and not work at all to follow God’s word. So, McCain’s choice is not even popular with the people he felt would be his biggest supporters – Fundi’s. Let’s not go all Rove and be nasty and smear this women on her personal life. It is not a Democratic way to handle things.
Ivan Ivanovich Renko
Jumpin’ Jebus on a pogo stick.
Incest? I din’t see nowhere nobody said nothin’ ’bout no incest.
I personally find a number of things having to do with the birth of the child and Ms. Palin’s actions right around the birth of the child to be interesting, but not a campaign issue. Quite honestly, if her daughter got preggers and she went this far to try to spare the daughter embarassment and harassment in their obviously wingnut-soaked world, well, that’s cool.
Frankly, it plays a LOT better than the thought that she endangered the baby by being out-of-town, flying, driving, etc. after her water broke.
Now, this would mean she’s a liar ‘n’ shit, but hey, who ain’t told a fib “for the cause” sometime or another? (The Big Dog’s greatest fuckup was not in lying about Monica– it was holding on to the lie too long after the jig was up. When you’re cold busted, give it up and throw yourself on the mercy of the court, man.)
If John’s objecting to intimations of seriously sick shit like incest, well, he’s right to say it’s bullshit.
But as to whether the child is hers or not? “It would irresponsible not to speculate.”
Gus
Replace “Palin” with “Bush” and you’ll see why it might not be.
LiberalTarian
Dang. I am so thousands of miles away.
And, this afternoon, sober. I do love kitties though. Someday.
Ecks
Sorry, newbie, don’t know how to make the durn quotes work on this thang (tho have enjoyed lurking for a while).
“I don’t believe for a second that Lieberman’s jewishness didn’t play a huge part in McCain passing him over.”
eh, he’d be fine on that account. The Jews all get converted, y’see, at the end of the world right before Jesus comes back. It’s in the bible, when read literally* anyway. And being as the rapture is coming any minute now [checks watch] Lieberman probably wouldn’t even get to close out his first term as still a Jew. Remember, the Jews are (if in a rather condescending paternalist way) our friends.
* And by “literally” I mean by cherry picking a few random versus and reading them in a highly stylized and arbitrary manner. Fundie’s believe the cutest things.