Q: How can you tell when John McCain and Sarah Palin are lying?
Barring something crazy, this is your last thread of the night.
*** Update ***
It just never stops:
Palin claims Alaska “produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy.” That’s not true.
Alaska did produce 14 percent of all the oil from U.S. wells last year, but that’s a far cry from all the “energy” produced in the U.S.
Alaska’s share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent, according to the official figures kept by the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
And if by “supply” Palin meant all the energy consumed in the U.S., and not just produced here, then Alaska’s production accounted for only 2.4 percent.
dmsilev
And the lies may not even be the worst part of it. Take a look at this gem that the NY Times dug up:
So evocative of “Heckuva Job” Brownie that it’s frightening. Truly, she is an appropriate candidate for the modern GOP.
-dms
Svensker
Sexist.
Beth in VA
If it weren’t so darn true and important this would be funny.
Bobzim
Anybody think SNL will be any good?
jeffreyw
politico
Wallace, after a political defeat:
Kate r
That NY Times article is amazing. Wow. Yikes. The End.
Snark Based Reality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQobIUE1zTU
Best 529 ad yet. It targets middle aged white women perfectly.
Laura W
Yes yes yes yes yes! Even without BO, sniff. I can not WAIT to see Tina play Sarah. yeeee haaaaa. Now, I just have to remember to tape it when I toddle off to bed. I am watching Maher from last night now. Thanks the the poster in an earlier thread who mentioned how good it was. Jeanine is tres intelligent! PER USUAL, I went to bed last night and forgot to tape. I try to notate these important life events in my daytimer but the longer this election goes on, the worse my STM becomes. Seriously.
Two questions for all of your smart folks on this site:
1) Who is jbarnett and why is he talking to me?
2) Why does Obama never seem to wear a long-sleeved dress shirt in any color other than white? OHSHIT. I am not kidding. CNN has a clip of him right now wearing BLUE. (unless my tee vee color is off.) There goes my theory that for him to wear a pastel feeds into the elitist, feminized, p*ssy mantra.
Can we just go vote now?
Conservatively Liberal
A quote from a New Yorker article about the way Palin communicates:
I noticed the same thing in the interview with Gibson. She speaks without pausing to think, as if she knew the answer before the question was even asked. She is not thoughtful at all, she has her beliefs and everything stems from that. There is no need for thought because she is completely pre-programmed to respond to any situation she is faced with.
She is one creepy lady, and I have a feeling that the reason she responds the way she does is because of her belief that she has the right answer no matter the answer she gives.
It is scary that McCain has put her in the position she is now in. That someone like her may have a chance to be president tells me that the Republican party has completely collapsed.
They are in this for their party, not the country.
Laura W
That is very profound and telling, just that snippet right there. I saw her response to the Bush Doctorine question again tonight, for the 7th time or so, but this time I was REALLY taken in by her facial and body gestures. I mean, they were screaming discomfort, SHIT!, stalling, use-cute-to-get-out-of this, buy time, deflect, PUNT!
I’d love to see some (truly good) body language expert, or highly sensitive intuitive, or both, take that one little clip of tape, slow it way down, and read the hell out of it for the country. “In what respect, Charlie?” A million things happened in those four short words…her body shifts, her facial expressions, tone of voice. I was struck by it tonight in ways I’d not thought about very deeply until tonight.
I’m glad there are others keyed into the same clues.
Emma Anne
Line lengths are broken on Say Anything.
Davis X. Machina
They are in this for their party, not the country.
The Party is the Vanguard of the Glorious Revolution. The State is destined to wither away when the aims of the Revolution are finally achieved. This is why the organs of the State must always serve the Party.
All power to the soviets of preachers and brokers!
Dennis - SGMM
I think that the Republicans should be congratulated for developing the Stepford Candidate long before the Dems.
Stooleo
McCain’s Cousin puts in his two cents worth.
oh really
Little Chuckie Krauthammer has written an idiotic column in which he tries to divert attention from Sarah Palin’s ignorance to Charles Gibson’s “gaffe.”
According to Krauthammer, there have been four different Bush Doctrines, and the one that is currently operative is not the one Gibson identified. What Krauthammer doesn’t realize is that by identifying four Bush Doctrines, instead of one, he gives Palin four chances to get the question right and she couldn’t come up with even one partially correct answer. She obviously had never even heard of any Bush Doctrine. That’s probably because Sarah Palin has spent all of her time addressing issues directly related to the furtherance of her own career. Hiring childhood friends for government positions and carrying out vendettas on non-loyalists takes time, and Sarah, when she wasn’t engaged in foreign policy by gazing at Russia appears to have spent most of her time hanging out at home or getting even with people who crossed her. (Of course, I’d love to see a calendar showing all the days in the past decade that Palin has been in a town, city, or area of Alaska from which Russia is visible.)
Sarah Palin clearly had no clue what any Bush Doctrine is or was. She didn’t get fooled by Gibson identifying the “wrong” Bush Doctrine; she just didn’t know WTF she was talking about. And it should have been obvious to anyone who saw her.
This is typical Republican dishonesty. If Krauthammer can name four different Bush Doctrines, shouldn’t the Republican nominee for VP be able to name and discuss just one? Of course. But Krauthammer is a thoroughly dishonest Right Wing Nut Case, whose only goal is to further the extremist goals of the lunatic fringe of the Republican Party.
If you read the long article about Palin in the NYTimes today, Palin really evokes thoughts of another “great Republcan” — Dick Cheney. Secrecy, loyalty, vendetta, incompetence. She’s got it all. Now, all she has to do is should one of her friend’s in the face.
Will Hunting
On bill simmons brady mailbag this week, some reader poited out that palin is a dead ringer for the teacher in varsity blues who moonlights as a stripper. Good times!
No power and no ac in houston. Bummer. Overall, the cit came through fairly well, although my office building downtown got waxed (chase tower).
Whammer
Krauthammer is an insufferable hack. Unfortunately, I don’t think the “Bush Doctrine” thing is going to get any traction.
I wish the “Georgia ought to be in NATO right now” so we can go to war with Russia sound bite would stick. We’ll see.
I do wonder how she can be so pathological about not telling the truth — how could she say “nearly 20%” when it isn’t even close?
In other news, to steal a good line that I think bears repeating. Sarah Palin says she has foreign policy experience because you can see Russia from Alaska. I can see the moon from my back yard, does that make me an astronaut?
Krista
Yep, it really goes to show how pathetic the MSM is when only the ladies of “The View” have had the Thatchers to ask some pointed questions of McCain.
Litlebritdifrnt
“McCain’s cousin puts in his two cents worth” damn when your own family won’t even vote for you that’s something!
Laura W
I think Jon Stewart said that first. (Not totally certain, but pretty sure since I can visualize the graphic above his head.)
I think krista said that first. (Not that I know krista but I read it here in previous threads and posts.)
Have to go now. Finally I can get caught up on Project Runway from last week wherein the designers team up to create a garment around the astrological sign of their partner.
(Don’t tell me! Sarah’s a Taurus!)
John McPalin
JC, did you see Michigan get their asses handed to them by Notre Dame?
Hilarious.
TheFountainHead
is Obama no longer appearing on SNL tonight?
FLILF Hunter
Heh heh… she said “beaver.”
jcricket
I spent the better part of today just trying to keep up with all the articles debunking the lies that Palin and McCain have told about themselves. And eventually I just gave up out of exhaustion.
As someone who’s told plenty of tall tales in my day I don’t know how these people do it – it’s exhausting trying to keep your story straight on one lie, let alone the dozens that Palin/McCain are spinning at any one time.
Not to mention trying to justify (at the same time) all the lies and distortions about their opponents.
I can only hope these are, as TZ says, the “death throes” of the Republicans this campaign season. That they’re blowing their wads 60 days out and it’ll just be a slump to the finish line. Unfortunately, I fully expect the Republicans to get 40-45% of the votes no matter what… Sad that with this much obvious difference between the parties and candidates people still can be convinced to vote for Republicans.
PeterJ
He cancelled due to Ike.
Palin thinks that oil is the only thing that counts. And then she just rounded the number up hoping that she would get to keep the rest as usual.
Dennis - SGMM
They have system: whatever the truth is, just say the opposite.
Libby
I can’t keep up with the lies. I think that’s their strategy. Bush did that too. Lied relentlessly, to keep us busy while Cheney hatched the next evil plot.
I decided to check up on Sarah’s foreign creds today with pictures. You can see for yourself how the Russians are a constant threat on that island that’s three miles away. I even found a link to a live webcam with operable controls. Sure to remove all doubt that she’s unprepared to deal with world affairs.
FLILF Hunter
Definitely creepy. She’s the spawn of the fundie seed pods, which is why she’s so damned certain of her answers: It’s God’s plan.
This is the same frackin’ bullslop we’ve seen corrode our government from the inside out over the last eight years. I said it before and I’ll say it again: Klondike Monica Goodling. Substitute “Loyal Palinites” in place of “Loyal Bushies” and you’ve unlocked the DaVinci code.
FLILF Hunter
No.
The last time SNL was any good.
Delia
I can’t keep up with which lies have been documented here. The threads are getting too long. But if no one’s noted it yet, it turns out they’re greatly exaggerating the size of the crowds they’re drawing. Like saying they drew 23,000 when they drew 8,000.
Epicanis
Open Thread means I can post anything, right?
Since energy has been mentioned, can I take a moment before I go back to my dark, hot home to say “I WANT MY FRIGGIN’ ELECTRICITY (and internet access) BACK!”
Montgomery County, TX: about 130000 customers without power (and air conditioning and internet access…) for an unknown length of time.
But don’t worry, Entergy says they’ll get the state legislature to allow them to add another “Hurricane Cost Recovery Charge” to everyone’s bill, so they’ll be fine.
The Other Steve
Don’t worry.. Even though Ms. Palin can’t handle Charles Gibson, she will be more than able to take on Vladimir Putin.
FLILF Hunter
Onaccounta she’s got that fundie x-ray vision that can see into guys’ souls.
Libby
I cruised the blogs of some right wing friends of mine and it was so depressing. These are good people outside of their politics. They’re not stupid, but they’re buying the line of crap McCain is selling about taxes. But mostly the guys think she has a great ass and that’s qualification enough. They don’t see what asses the daring duo are. I don’t get it.
john r
http://www.slate.com/id/2199927/
“This is a travel tip, not an argument for foreign-policy expertise. Because a person can see the moon does not make them qualified to be an astronaut.”
credit where credit is due
cain
Anybody catch kos’s rant on Sullivan’s post about being Obama not being aggressive. It’s pretty good. Some Fuckhead would be proud.
here
cain
FLILF Hunter
But… but…
I’ve been to Chinatown, and Japantown, and Russian Hill — oh, yeah, and I drove by Solvang a couple of times…
That’s gotta be ambassador-grade cred, at the very least.
Mary
Jesus Christ. David Foster Wallace hung himself Friday night. Maybe he was too oblique and wordy for some people’s tastes, but damn, he could write. Yet the fucker let his wife discover his body. No one should do that to their family.
From his Kenyon University Commencement speech, 2005:
Stuck in the Fun House
Just when you think it can’t get any crazier we get this. Jesus on a fucking Pogo Stick.
Libby
I actually agree with Sully more than Kos, although they’re both about half right. Hell, I even agreed with BTD today and I never agree with him.
Palin is a distraction and as long as we focus only on her, then the race is still not about McCain. It’s about Palin v. Obama.
I’m trying to balance it by connecting her to Bush and connecting them both to McCain. I’m also trying to focus on issues more. I think pushing the meme that he wants to tax employer based health insurance and that he wants to kill social security could be effective talking points.
Scrutinizer
Rick Davis said today that the McCain campaign had raised $50M since Caribou Barbie came on board. I’m guessing it’s about a tenth of that. How are they gonna slip the fundraising past the FEC? Or is that yet another thing they’ll worry about once they win?
Libby
Gah. I didn’t make it through two minutes of that video clip Fun House. Damn, it’s going to be an ugly couple of months.
Incertus
That’s the thing–they don’t try to keep them straight. They’re just telling them and they don’t stop to see if they’re being debunked or if they contradict each other. They’re daring the press to take them on, figuring that they can depend on using the myth of the liberal media to sustain them with the base, and the low-information part of the low-information voters to put them over the top.
Stuck in the Fun House
You’re braver than I Libby. I just read the article. That was enough for me.
t jasper parnell
That video is beyond the pale and most distressing.
Tara the antisocial social worker
John, haven’t you heard? It’s disrespectful to use the word “lying” when someone makes a statement that they know to be false.
No word yet on whether it’s OK to call it untruthing, prevaricating, and/or bearing false witness.
Napoleon
That NY Times article on Palin is amazing. She has every character defect that has made Bush such a disaster times 2.
Maggie
The Bush Doctrine thing may have no traction, but the right sure are twisting themselves into all kinds of pretzels trying to make sure it has no traction. Might work, but the reaction itself is telling. Oh, yeah, and Charlie Gibson is a Blue Meanie!
NickM
What you’re obviously forgetting is that Sarah Palin is the most knowledgable person in the universe about energy, so when she says its’ 20%, that means factcheck is wrong.
Bostondreams
Yeah, I live in Florida. My parents, good Republicans, gave it to me after it came in the paper, St. Pete Times I think…
Lovely viewing.
The Thinking Man's Mel Torme
My local fishwrapper is going to have this DVD insert tomorrow. It’s going to stoke the nut-bars in the paper’s online forums to full-bore foaming insanity.
Libby
It’s all too much for me today. I’m going to bed, but here’s some good news. Bob Geiger is back to blogging and he resurrected his Saturday cartoons. Some great stuff there.
Libby +3
The Moar You Know
I smell a false flag attack in America’s near future.
anonymous
As someone working in the media research industry, I have no idea how to deal with the DVD drop. I guess it gets thrown in the garbage because it works outside any normal media norms, but that’s going to play hell with whatever PR group the Clarion Fund employs trying to figure out if it worked or not.
I guess if they win they crow about the effectiveness, and if they lose they pretend they were effective but had a bad year. It’s a pretty crazy way to throw around money in the industry. Someone doesn’t give a shit about quality control or accountability.
Bob In Pacifica
Maybe Palin meant “negative energy”.
Litlebritdifrnt
Maggie, its Big Blue Meanie to be accurate.
Litlebritdifrnt + 6 Heineken lites which really don’t count for anything other than fluid retention.
DaveInOz
I’ve been following and documenting the daily stats from 538.com for a couple of months cos I could never remember what they were a few days before.
It’s pretty depressing reading at the moment but I can’t believe that Obama hasn’t now hit bottom. With the ABC interview now receiving wide play, the lies being challenged in the MSM and McSame’s wonderful experience on ‘The View’, the tide must be turning.
You can check out the stats and a graph here.
Delia
Judging from those cartoons, I’d say offhand that the lipstick-pig whine-fest rather backfired.
Dennis - SGMM
It can get much crazier. From the NYT:
Bush Said to Give Orders Allowing Raids in Pakistan
I’m sure that the Pakistanis will appreciate our respect for their sovereignty. No one could anticipate that our actions might lead to any civil disorder or even the toppling of Pakistan’s fragile new government.
More:
Pakistan’s army is a force answerable only to itself. No government stands in that country without the military’s approval and support. And yes, these guys actually do have nuclear weapons.
And what happens if, during one of these incursions, US troops are captured and subjected to the same treatment that we’ve authorized for our captives?
I don’t know whether Bush is trying to get a pelt for McCain to wear or if he’s just gone completely crazy but, this is not a good development.
Paul in Boca
Dennis, Bush is simply trying to push enough buttons to have something happen somewhere in the world that he defines as a threat to America, so he and the Dickster can suspend the elections. They have not done everything they have in the past 7 years to meekly walk into the night and turn the government over to Obama.
OriGuy
Obama got beat up for suggesting he might do this, but IOKIYAR.
+1 Alaskan IPA in the big bottle. Something good came out of the state.
Notorious P.A.T.
You can see an oil rig from Alaska, so that means she is an expert on energy.
Stuck in the Fun House
And to top it all off now Demo-rats are concern trolling their little hearts out just as they’re fixing to jump ship.
Mccain gets a bump in the polls as expected, together with the Rapturist orgasms over Sarah Palin and pissy ass dem so-called leaders are claiming that Obama is throwing the campaign. The same jackasses that had claimed he was the best campaigner in a generation only a couple of weeks ago when Obama was up 4 points instead of down 3 today.
I can’t stand these lily liverred shits anymore. I am no longer a democrat as of now, and will make it official to return to an independent voter as soon as I can deploy my sorry ass to the county clerk. I’m still for Obama, but that’s it for me as a democrat.
Litlebritdifrnt
Hey this is fun, following up on Krista’s awesome quote can we add a few more (a la you can see an oil rig from Alaska)
I can see a car from my driveway does that make me a mechanic?
I can see a school bus from my house does that make me an educator?
I can see a helicopter from my garden does that make me a pilot?
I can see a ***** in my shower does that make me oh, well, you know never mind, that is going a little too far :)
Add yours!
Bostondreams
These are the same asses who mocked the 50 state strategy in ’06 and said Obama couldn’t beat Clinton in ’08. When have THEY ever beaten a strong Republican candidate? Hell, when has MCCAIN beat a strong DEMOCRATIC candidate?
Yeah, definite concern trolling.
Mary
That SNL open with TinaFey and Amy Poehler (pregnant??!?) WORKED.
Clinton: “And so I invite the media to grow a pair, and if you don’t, you can borrow mine.”
I need a cigarette now.
timb
I don’t know if anyone mentioned this, but Palin’s story of being in Kuwait and thinking she was in Iraq is wonderfully parallel with Beauchamp’s claims of the same isn’t it?
In the Wingnut world, that ERROR made Scott Beauchamp the most vile liar ever; something tells me in greater Wingnuttia, Palin just made a mistake.
Beauchamp set this all up to lose the war, that bastard
Ed in NJ
Just a devastating portrayal of Palin as a vapid beauty queen. And it will be shown over and over again on the cable news stations for the next few days.
Conservatively Liberal
I can see an electrical transformer from my yard so I guess I’m ready to be an electrician.
I can see a fire hydrant from my yard so I guess I’m ready to be a fireman.
You and me,
we can be,
whatever we see,
In Palin World.
LiberalTarian
I have seen police cars go by with their sirens and lights flashing–I could be Attorney General.
Hey, this is fun!
Conservatively Liberal
Oh oh, I just saw my new cat and since she needs fixed after she has her kittens I guess it is time to be a veterinarian!
/grab the Dremel and pipe wrench
Here kitty kitty…
LiberalTarian
Turns out Palin has asked Schwarzenegger to veto a clean air bill here in California.
One of the supporters of the bill gets a good lick in:
What does the McCain/Palin spokesperson say??
Right. She’s for ignoring science in global warming, driving large predators extinct, and thinks Alaskan oil can save the country. Up is down anyone??
zuzu's petals
Well, it looks like there’s a little heartwarming news out of Alaska:
Hundreds turn out for anti-Palin protest
Martin
Holy fuck, Tina Fey is a little too good at that. Well, at least we’ll get 2 months of good entertainment out of it, but no more.
Brian J
That’s what I found on TPM. That’s a big ‘ol fuck you to the media. I hope the media doesn’t bend over like usual.
Brian J
Since I’m just full of suggestions these days, here’s an idea for an ad from the Obama campaign. Take the part of McCain’s acceptance speech where he says something like, “Sarah Palin hasn’t met Washington yet, but I can’t wait till Washington meets her,” and then have have the announcer in a skeptical, snorting tone say, “I’ll bet. She’ll fit right in…” And then, in a much more creative and direct way than I could, talk about why Washington would love her: because she’s just like the rest of them. She talks a good game, but in the end, she’ll take your money and run. There’s a ton of material to work with.
Conservatively Liberal
That SNL skit with Fey and Poehler was a riot!
Ask her about dinosaurs!
The media should grow a pair, and if not I will lend them mine.
Hillary had to love that line ’cause I know I sure did.
Stuck in the Fun House
I’ve been thinking, trying to figure out exactly what is going on with the whole Sarah Palin thing. It seems to me that the GOP pick of Palin is the ultimate demand wingnuts are making to the media. After years of pummeling the press with the liberal bias hammer, and relentlessly foisting the false equivalence and equal treatment kinnard, republicans are trying to shove this shiny but deeply flawed VP pick protege of theirs down the throat of the media.
Of course, it has never been for fair treatment, but the ability of wingnuts to create their own narrative, complete with contrived facts and have it labeled as fair treatment without interference from the media or anyone else. And Sarah Palin is far worse than just flawed candidate, she’s a total trainwreck as we are learning and unfit for VP, and the press knows it. And they are showing some signs of actually standing up to wingnut threats of crying liberal bias while stomping their feet like little children who want to do something dangerous and are being told no. Maybe this time they will act like a free press and do the right thing for the country. If they don’t, we are all royally fucked for some time to come.
Conservatively Liberal
In the big media circus, there is no such thing as the free press. They are only as free as their corporate masters allow them to be. That freedom ends with the political agenda and bottom line, no matter the outlet.
It has always been that way and I don’t see it changing any time soon. When media was small there was less control as the ownership was spread across many people of diverse opinions, but now that a few control most popular outlets all we get is what they want us to see.
oh really
LiberalTarian
I dunno. One of the reasons I quit history was because I realized that one could never underestimate the capacity of people to behave foolishly en masse. I decided water behaved in a much more sensible fashion, and studied it instead. I still like history, but the stories are like one long horror movie–“No! Don’t go into that room!! Don’t you hear the scary music?? Stop, no, turn around, think better of it!!”
I had a dream once about my ex-husband (who had this amazing ability to spend $1.25 for every $1 we brought home). I dreamt that we were riding in the car that we really liked, but had to replace because we couldn’t afford to fix the drive train. In my dream, I was sitting in the passenger seat as he drove it off a cliff. As we did the car swan-dive thing, I looked at him and screamed, “HOW AM I GOING TO FIX THIS???”
I’m 95% of the mind Obama is going to win, and win big. But, there is 5% of me that feels like we are heading right off the cliff, and Republican voters are just too stubborn and/or dumb to realize how bad the outcome will be if they elect McCain/Palin. If they elect John McCain, I just don’t see how we can do anything but land at an exploding heap at the bottom of the cliff.
Mary
The SNL opening is here, for at least a few minutes (Blip.tv, not YouTube.)
Stuck in the Fun House
This is true, but I’m wondering if there is a limit to failing in their constitutional duty to keep the public at least minimally informed with basic facts. If you look on memorandum there is a long list of articles basically saying the Mccain campaign are lying liars. Anyway, one can hope for the best.
Conservatively Liberal
I am thinking (dangerous thing that is) and Palin can be summed up thusly:
The Empress has no clothes. The McCain camp took this politically naked woman from nowhere, they put her out on the political street to politically pimp for them and they are telling people that if they note that she is naked then they are attacking her.
They have made stating the obvious an attack. The Empress is naked and everyone knows it. Everyone. Supporters and detractors alike know that she is naked.
This is just fine with Sarah because she is the woman with all of the answers.
If the press fails us, we are probably fucked. Qualifications may no longer matter, personality and popularity rule the day.
Unfuckingbelievable for a so-called advanced society. Our founding fathers would be aghast that we could fall so far.
anon
Query remains untouched.
What is U.S. doing in Latin America?
LiberalTarian
Brilliant!! Thank you Mary!
Mary
The official NBC version is here, but, of course, you have to be in the States to see it.
liberal
Conservatively Liberal wrote,
My impression is that back in the day, this “diverse ownership” mainly consisted of extremely right-wing small-town newspapers.
jbarntt
Q: How can you tell when John McCain and Sarah Palin are lying?
Easy, I just read the Washington Post, New York Times, etc., you know the press. Liberal blogs are good too. From these sources I have discovered the lies, such as:
Sarah Palin gave birth to the child. LIE, it was her daughter.
Sarah Palin has been faithful to her husband. LIE, she cheated with a former business partner of his.
I’m sure you can expose other lies about her.
As to McCain, well he did have that affair with a lobbyist, right ? Bastard denied it, even though an unsourced front page article in the NYT’s proclaimed it. Must be true, seemed truthy, had a lot of truthiness about it.
Also this stuff about him as a pilot and a POW. Total load of rubbish. Everyone knows he was responsible for the Forrestal tragedy. I read it on a liberal blog. Also read that a pilot who is shot down is a bad pilot, not a hero.
Really chaps my fanny that McCain is viewed as an honorable man when all the evidence is against it. Christ the man lived in a luxury hotel in Hanoi for over five frickin’ years. It was nice, lots of liberals say this, like Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, etc. They went there, they saw it. They were the truth tellers and guys like McCain, Day, Swindle, etc. are just lying liars.
Conservatively Liberal
Yes, but there were liberal bastions across the nation that no longer exist in the current media mega-market. There used to be some great objective reporting on local and national matters in quite a few cities, and while there are ‘token’ liberal markets now it is nothing like the freewheeling, disorganized, glorious mess it used to be in the good old days.
The media buy-up killed the voice of the free media. Everything is business now, even news, and it has to turn a profit every year. One small advantage is that intelligent people know we are in a serious mess now, and some of them are on the right. If they perceive McCain to be bad in the long run, and if they are not impressed with Palin, they may just turn against the right for this election cycle.
Sad, but this is about our only hope if we are to get real reporting done about this sham McCain and Palin are pulling.
jbarntt
Q: How can you tell when John McCain and Sarah Palin are lying?
Sorry for the second post but I’m really upset about McCain’s lies about his “service”. Sen. Rockefeller, (D-W. VA), told the truth about the bastard when he said that McCain delivered death from 30,000 feet with laser guided bombs in 1967.
That fine Democrat, Sen. Rockefeller, is a truth teller, and exposes the lies of Bush III. The lies infuriate me and make me upset, I even got a case of the vapors and I really hate that !
Oh, Mom ordered out for pizza and its here, gotta go.
jbarntt
Q: How can you tell when John McCain and Sarah Palin are lying?
Sorry for the second post but I’m really upset about McCain’s lies about his “service”. Sen. Rockefeller, (D-W. VA), told the truth about the bastard when he said that McCain delivered death from 30,000 feet with laser guided bombs in 1967.
That fine Democrat, Sen. Rockefeller, is a truth teller, and exposes the lies of Bush III. The lies infuriate me and make me upset, I even got a case of the vapors and I really hate that !
Oh, Mom ordered out for pizza and its here, gotta go.
zuzu's petals
The WaPo can barely contain its sarcasm in its discussion of Palin’s much-vaunted mayoral “executive experience” :
A good read for background on just how circumscribed her duties really were, and how driven and ambitious she was even then.
Royston Vasey
I see we have found the source of the “lipstick” story over at geo-photo site Panoramio.com
Wasilla, Alaska
Jon H
I kinda wish anti-McCain ads would start using video of Uncle Fester instead of McCain. Maybe only in brief shots among regular clips of McCain.
myiq2xu
McCain looks more like the Crypt Keeper, with wisps of white hair clinging to his skull.
Fester was bald/shaved
TenguPhule
TenguPhule
For the Bridge to Nowhere before it looked bad, then against it.
Lied about being in Iraq.
Lied about being in charge of the National Guard’s *military* role (That’s the Fed’s, not the State’s, dumbass.).
Lied about firing someone who didn’t play pattycake with her abuse of authority.
Lied about her record.
Lied about Obama.
Lied about knowing shit about Russia.
liberal
Conservatively Liberal wrote,
I’d have to do some research to really check that out, and unfortunately don’t have time. ;-)
I do know one thing, though—it took far, far longer for the press to start digging into our intervention in Indochina than it did in e.g. the recent invasion of Iraq.
One interesting theory says that there’s much more “competition” in Britain, and the reason is that there are more national papers there competing for public attention.
That’s certainly undermined the overall quality of reportage, but I’m not sure what impact it’s having on the partisan leaning of the media.
Interestingly, a prominent report yesterday has Greenspan expressing strong doubts about McThug’s tax plan. Not that I have any respect for Greenspan otherwise, but I doubt he’d do that (w/o mentioning Obama’s plan, AFAICT) w/o privately being against McThug.
Yes…though I’ve always wondered what would happen if Obama/Biden “went nuclear” and used extremely strong language. Instead of saying various McThug/Palin lies are “lies,” attack their persons—saying “They are liars with no honor.”
liberal
jbarntt blithered,
(yawn)
And the claim that Palin recklessly, irresponsibly endangered her high-risk-pregnancy baby by flying back to Alaska after her water broke, apparently just to satisfy this nutjob desire that the baby be born a “native Alaskan”?
Of course, we don’t need to look at personal details to see that Palin is yet another two-bit Republican thug.
Xenos
These, of course, were Republican lies, generated and disseminated last spring by Republican who were Republican opponents of Sarah Palin. Liberal bloggers found these rumours and discussed them, but did not hold them out to be true. The only prominent blogger who took them seriously seems to have been Andrew Sullivan. And then US Magazine printed some of them. Big deal.
You are whining, JB. Nobody likes a whiner.
dslak
Yes, but to be fair, he never claimed to believe them. He just argued that it was something 1) relevant, given that she used it as evidence of her pro-life bonafides, and 2) easily refuted, if false.
donnah
Good Morning America on ABC Sunday morning actually ran a short piece on the negative/lie-filled campaign McCain and Palin are running. They had clips of Palin repeating her claims about dropping the Bridge to Nowhere and selling the jet on Ebay. Then they showed a clip of her interview with Charlie Gibson. I was shocked to see them raising legitimate questions about their lies. Perhaps there’s hope.
timb
Here’s a shocker, Joel Barnett, is a freeper?
You can’t imagine how surprised I was that the Freeper crowd, with it’s new fanboy crush on Palin, is in full “McCain ’08” mode. Dolts like Joel are pretty easy to fool. A Vice Presidential pick gets them out of Mom’s trailer to pull the trigger for the ol’ GOP! Maybe McCain should announce he’d pick John Bolton for White House chef and the Freepers would love him even more!
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
More likely, they would say “told you so”. Many of the founding fathers were opposed to direct democracy and afraid of what the howling mob of common people would do if allowed to rule without a strong set of elitist filters between them and the govt. Read the Federalist Papers or check out the original design of the Electoral College for examples.
Of course things have changed a bit since the late 18th Cen., so what they thought then is not necessarily applicable to today’s world.
For me, I’ll stick with what Adlai Stevenson and Winston Churchill said (paraphrasing here): “in a democracy people generally get the government they deserve”, and “you can always trust the Americans. In the end they will do the right thing, after they have eliminated all the other possibilities.”
zuzu's petals
Palin – the Pro-Lie candidate.
jbarntt
And the claim that Palin recklessly, irresponsibly endangered her high-risk-pregnancy baby by flying back to Alaska after her water broke, apparently just to satisfy this nutjob desire that the baby be born a “native Alaskan”?
Mom and baby seem just fine. Maybe Palin and her doctor knew a bit more about this than you, hmm ? But let’s get down to the important stuff, OK ? The bottom line is liberals hate Palin because she’s had five children, but no abortions.
If she had aborted her fifth child, (actually her daughters, right), she would have some talking points for liberals. Oh well, she failed the test.
Meanwhile, back at the Democratic ranch, Obama favours fourth term abortions and the great Catholic theologian, Sen. Biden has proclaimed that life does begin at conception, but that it should not be a hindrance to abortion.
Meanwhile, back on the Republican ranch, both McCain and Palin have clear cut views on the subject. Obama and Biden do a nice dance, but their moral position is built on sand.
Why can’t these guys just say what they really think ? Is it so hard, or do they really know that they have to toe the NARAL line to get elected ?
McCain and Palin have no problem stating a clear and unambigious position on the issue, why can’t Biden and Obama do the same ?
timb
Joel, take the abortion debate back to Free Republic, ‘kay? You may be a theocratic, one issue voter, but all you will receive here is derision for increasing government involvement in our personal lives.
Joel: My view is a tax cut in every pot and a soldier next to every womb! There will be no abortions, unless Lord Palin agrees.
Joel, do you have a tatoo of a heart with Palin’s name in it, yet?
Delia
What the hell are you talking about? Why don’t you read some basic physiology texts? There is no fourth term in pregnancy. There’s first, second and third trimester. We won’t even deal with the falsity of your claims since you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about and this thread is about dead anyway.
TenguPhule
That would be a miracle considering human pregancies are trimester.
Or, does jbarnett want to fess up as to what ungodly alien planet he originates from?
TenguPhule
And if you survived a bout of Russian Roulette you’d be fine too. That wouldn’t make you any less stupid though.