Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Yeah, with this crowd one never knows.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

Hot air and ill-informed banter

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

The willow is too close to the house.

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

Accountability, motherfuckers.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

The poor and middle-class pay taxes, the rich pay accountants, the wealthy pay politicians.

Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.

If you’re pissed about Biden’s speech, he was talking about you.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

This blog will pay for itself.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

Roe isn’t about choice, it’s about freedom.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

My years-long effort to drive family and friends away has really paid off this year.

The worst democrat is better than the best republican.

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

Americans barely caring about Afghanistan is so last month.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President.

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  1. 1.

    Keith

    McCain is getting progressively more pissed off the longer this goes. His jaw muscles are pulsating like he’s got a human heart in his mouth, coupled with the Creepy Smile of Doom. Temperamentally, he’s a disaster. He is definitely more aggressive, but in a canned sort of way.

  2. 2.

    Brian J

    Well, McCain just answered a question about energy by segwaying into Colombian trade by bringing up meeting with hostile foreign leaders without preconditions. So, you tell me.

  4. 4.

    slackjawed gawker

    How’s it going?

    Well, the Phils are up 4 runs and counting, and McCain looks like he had some spicy chili that is not sitting too well. This debate doesn’t have a commercial break, does it? I hope he remembered to wear his Depends…

  5. 5.

    Laura W

    Crazy old coot.
    Creepy old coot.
    Crazy Creepy old coot.
    Man, this format really does McShame no favors. Nothing to hide behind. He’s half stump speech and half stream-of-consciousness, senile blathering. And half pent up anger that is usually spewed out at inappropriate, unrelated times. He’s just fucking scary. How low the Rethugs have sunk. I’m a bit nauseous looking at him, and thinking about his soul mate pageant princess. (Could be the vodka and licorice bits, of course.)

    (I’ve had a lot of trouble getting into the site since this afternoon. It’s the first time since all the changes, so whazzup?)

  8. 8.

    Josh Huaco

    Maybe this was on the last thread, but what’s the deal with Palin and autism? Is this some sort of weird fundy-homeschool dog whistle or something?

  10. 10.

    Delia

    blink blink blink creepy smile creepy smile creepy smile..

    It’s like he sort of had it all under control a little bit at the beginning and now it’s all falling apart.

    Now he’s on to his health plan and his $5000 tax rebate. It’s really bombing with the CNN indys, especially the women.

  11. 11.

    DFD

    I can’t stand listening to McCain ramble on about insurance. The twat has had government coverage every single fucking day of his life.

  14. 14.

    GeoX

    McCain just looked absolutely STUNNED when Obama said that Joe the Plumber’s fine would be zero. You’d think he would have been prepared for that.

  16. 16.

    LH in NYC

    McCain: I know how to fix the health care system. To fix the health care system, let’s put every kid on a diet and give him more PE. But that’s not all! Also, let’s give everyone $5,000 to spend on health care and not do a damn thing about the way insurance is organized. That should help all those 47 million people with cancer, diabetes, long term disabilities!

    Is this the way he knows how to fix social security, medicare, and the federal budget deficit? Wow.

  18. 18.

    nicethugbert

    McFailin said Nulcear Pants briefly as he tried to say nuclear plants. ROFLMAO NUCLEAR PANTS GO GO JOHNNY McROCKET.

    It’s McFails third do over and … it’s his third do over. I think he secretly loves Obama.

    Oh, there is a segment about the negative campaiging and McCain is drawing equivalence between Obama saying negative things about McCains health care plan and all the evil crap McPalin says and let’s pass.

    McJoe has new plumber buddy name Joe who is tired being a regular joe and wants to ride the rest of us.

  20. 20.

    dr. bloor

    Whoever had "Joe the Plumber" in the drinking game should be ER bound about now.

    OTOH, I’m loving the way Obama is rolling with the "Joe the Plumber" meme and not getting defensive about it.

  23. 23.

    Ty Lookwell

    Listening on the radio. MaCain sounds so sour and nasty and and contemptuous; I can only imagine what he looks like. And the whole Joe the Plumber things is yet another weird tic, my friends.

  24. 24.

    Tsulagi

    Damn, if “Joe” had been the drinking word I would have been comatose LONG before now. And I can hold my liquor.

  25. 25.

    Delia

    McCain’s affect now officially has no relation to reality. Neither does what he’s saying. Wow, I don’t think anybody believes Crazy Uncle John about his health insurance plan.

  26. 26.

    Brian J

    McCain just looked absolutely STUNNED when Obama said that Joe the Plumber’s fine would be zero. You’d think he would have been prepared for that.

    The truth will do that to you.

    I wonder how people are responding to McCain’s insane focus on Joe the Plumber and the business he works 96 hours a week to own. He brings it up whether or not it’s relevant.

  27. 27.

    Pixie

    Of course Palin would understand the importance of helping special needs individuals since she happens to be one herself.

  28. 28.

    AhabTRuler

    McCain’s stance on healthcare scares the crap outta me.

    Course, I have a herniated C-7 disc, and I am lucky to have a collegiate insurance plan.

  30. 30.

    Keith

    McCain just looked absolutely STUNNED when Obama said that Joe the Plumber’s fine would be zero. You’d think he would have been prepared for that.

    Best moment of the debate. McCain goes "Really?" and my first instinct is to think he’s being sarcastic, but his expression afterwards led me to think he was completely caught off guard (i.e. he swallowed the human heart that was causing his jaw to pulsate)

  31. 31.

    nicethugbert

    McBaldFacedLiar lies about Obama’s plans right after Obama just told us what they were. AMAZING!

  33. 33.

    Sleeper

    The Nikkei just dropped another ten percent of its volume on opening.

    Once again, Excellent News for John McCain.

  34. 34.

    tripletee (formerly tBone)

    Joe the Plumber thinks McCain should dial back on the sneering contempt. And stop smiling, it makes you look like a scary methed-up lawn gnome.

  39. 39.

    AhabTRuler

    Obama isn’t as strong on the abortion issue.

    I think he’s right, but it’s a hard argument to make in this format. I hate the over-simplification of complex issues.

  40. 40.

    dr. bloor

    Tapper has a post up re: the real interaction between Obama and Joe the Plumber last week. Not surprisingly, rather different from John the Liar’s characterization of it.

  41. 41.

    harlana pepper

    Are you kidding me, I think this is great. McCain just keeps handing turds to Obama who turns them into little golden nuggets. McCain looks irrational, petty and scary. Obama comes off looking respectful, thoughtful and graceful – presidential. McCain hands him the chance to clear the air about Ayres beautifully, too.

  42. 42.

    phobos

    I just switched to the NLCS game.

    McCain bowed to wingnut central as far as being a dick, probably not as convincingly as they would have liked.

    Obama handled it as well as could be expected.

    The Red State live chat provided some brief, yet drearily predictable entertainment value.

  43. 43.

    LH in NYC

    Thank you Obama! Prevent unwanted pregnancy. Like Palin’s daughter’s – by teaching about how to prevent it.

    And did you guys see McCreepy’s toothy grin when Obama said sexuality is sacred? He is one weird dude!

  44. 44.

    Delia

    Is there an internet doctor in the house? I think John McCain’s pupil’s are totally dilated as well as blinking about ninety times a minute. I want to know what he’s on.

  46. 46.

    Delia

    Is there an internet doctor in the house? I think John McCain’s pupils are totally dilated as well as blinking about ninety times a minute. I want to know what he’s on.

  47. 47.

    Studly Pantload

    Why does McCain keep lobbing slowballs at Obama? That "Obama wants to be in ur house, killin’ your children" was a leisurely stroll into a chopper blade. Can that man do nothing competently?

  48. 48.

    AhabTRuler

    I did like the way Obama handles the Ayers stuff. Really solid and rational. Unlike McSparky, who definitely comes off as a crank.

  49. 49.

    ksmiami

    Okay – don’t hate me and know that my dad as a spry active 76 year old is younger than most 40 somethings, but I feel like Austin Powers when he confronts the mole… so here goes

    MCCAIN IS TOO FUCKING OLD TO BE PRESIDENT.
    TOO OLD
    GEEZER
    Jesus Christ he creeps me out

  51. 51.

    The Moar You Know

    Obama is campaigning to everyone; McCain is campaigning to the base. This election is over, just don’t forget to vote.

  54. 54.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    @Delia: I just turned on the debate about fifteen minutes and the first thing I noticed was the blinking. Is he being held hostage and blinking a secret message? O oo o o oh … I picking it up now … "H-e-p m-e. H-e-p m-e. M-y c-a-m-p-a-i-g-n h-a-s f-a-l-l-e-n a-n-d i-t c-a-n-n-o-t g-e-t u-p!"

  56. 56.

    handy

    McCain is in full on smarmy condescension mode, full stop. Like at every single opportunity. He really thinks this is going to put him back into the game?

  57. 57.

    nicethugbert

    McTesty is a prick right to Obama’s face and he’s a friendly hardon towards Sheffer.

  59. 59.

    dr. bloor

    Actually, John, Palin doesn’t know anything personally about autism. Her baby has Down’s Syndrome.

    Fucking idiot.

  60. 60.

    Delia

    I’m thinking John (Cole, that is) made the wiser, certainly the more amusing choice. I have an unwatched copy of Stargate Continuum sitting on my shelf which I’m thinking of with longing as I listen to McCrazy ramble on about charter schools.

    ZOMG! McCrazy thinks Sarah’s baby has autism. He doesn’t know the difference between Down’s Syndrome and autism.

  61. 61.

    tripletee (formerly tBone)

    Man. I thought Obama was off his game in the beginning, but he fucking shredded Angry McCrankypants over the last hour. I’m a little stunned at what a whiny little prick McCain was. Did he really think this was going to help him?

  64. 64.

    Brian J

    Can anyone explain to me why McCain brought up Trig Plain’s autism during a comment about education spending? Maybe I missed something, but it looks like the mother of all non-sequiturs of this evening.

  65. 65.

    Laura W

    Maybe this was on the last thread, but what’s the deal with Palin and autism

    Oh, you asked this many sentences and creepy smiles ago. I was rushing over here to ask: "Is Trig a Downs Syndrome child, or an autistic child?" and does Johnny Drama know there is a difference?

    It’s like Obama has realized that if he’s going to tlak with McCain, he has to pretend that John’s imaginary friend Joe the Plumber is real!

    HA!!!!! Well put.

  66. 66.

    dr. bloor

    I thought McCain was ahead early, but he turned back into a pumpkin and Obama did exactly what he had to do.

    Whatever the CNN idiot dials say tonight, the two stories tomorrow:

    1. Obama’s conversation with Joe the Plumber wasn’t anything like what McLiar said it was, and Tapper has the tape to prove it.

    2. McCain is so incapable of empathy and basic awareness of those around him that he doesn’t know the difference between Down’s Syndrome and autism, or in the very least doesn’t know what’s up with his running mate’s baby.

  68. 68.

    A la lanterne les aristos

    Obviously they coached McCain on the eye contact thing.

    So now he’s staring at him like that crazy guy on the bus this morning. Nice choice.

  69. 69.

    Martin

    Can anyone explain to me why McCain brought up Trig Plain’s autism during a comment about education spending? Maybe I missed something, but it looks like the mother of all non-sequiturs of this evening.

    Trig doesn’t have autism – Down’s Syndrome.

  70. 70.

    Brian J

    1. Obama’s conversation with Joe the Plumber wasn’t anything like what McLiar said it was, and Tapper has the tape to prove it.

    Wait a second. Are you telling me McCain was making shit up and/or being ignorant of basic facts? I, for one, can’t believe that.

  73. 73.

    The Moar You Know

    Can anyone explain to me why McCain brought up Trig Plain’s autism during a comment about education spending?

    For the second time, I think. Trig’s a Down’s baby, not autisitc. The autism/education linkage is some kind of dominionist/faith-healing dogwhistle that I’m not familiar with.

  74. 74.

    Prematurely Grey

    I’ve read enough people who think like I do: they’ve got McCain on medication. Seriously. Think about it. He seems so completely different this week than last week. I think they got him on Xanex over the weekend. But he’s sluggish, so they give him a boost.

    Totally on drugs.

  75. 75.

    Brian J

    For the second time, I think. Trig’s a Down’s baby, not autisitc. The autism/education linkage is some kind of dominionist/faith-healing dogwhistle that I’m not familiar with.

    I forgot that her child has Down Syndrome.

    Nevertheless, I don’t understand the link at all. I mean, I usually understand the buzzwords for both sides, but this one has me scratching my head.

  77. 77.

    AkaDad

    The edit function is awesome when WordPress works.

    I’ll go out on a limb and predict that the polls win say Obama won.

    win = will

  78. 78.

    Delia

    Can anyone explain to me why McCain brought up Trig Plain’s autism

    Trig Palin is not autistic. He has Down’s Syndrome. The explanation is that John McCain is a senile old man who is incompletely connected to reality. He thought he was connecting to parents with special needs children and Barack had earlier slapped him down by connecting the issue to spending so he was trying to bring it up again, not realizing he doesn’t have his running mate’s baby’s disability right.

    And I note Andrea Mitchell thinks McCain won. She must be pissed because her husband helped bring on the financial meltdown.

  79. 79.

    tavella

    Has Senator Clinton had work done recently? She’s looking awfully good on CNN right now. And very nice pivot on that first question, too.

  80. 80.

    Josh Huaco

    @Laura W:

    I can’t believe I’m that dense. :) I really thought it was some weird fundie dogwhistle because not for a second did I entertain the thought that McCain couldn’t even get the condition of his running-mate’s child right. He’s even dumber than I thought, which is scary.

  83. 83.

    Joe Lisboa

    And I note Andrea Mitchell thinks McCain won. She must be pissed because her husband helped bring on the financial meltdown.

    Bingo. Boingo.

  84. 84.

    Phoebe

    tavella, I was thinking the same. It’s the jowls, or lack of, I think. Her lip lines were the only lines on her face. But also she looks better in brown than she does in a lot of the other colors she wears. Such as black, or schoolbus yellow.

    Time to prove I’m not a sexist: Obama is getting grayer by the second. Which probably helps him. Which is so unfaaaaiiiir.

  85. 85.

    Comrade Stuck

    I’m just wondering how there’s so many comments that got thru. The site has been dead from here since just before the debate began. And now the wordpress error shows up again. It’s Deja Vu all over again.

  86. 86.

    nicethugbert

    OMG! Joe The Plumber is on and he sounds just as stupid as his associations! He’s uncommited but he knows who he’s going to vote for. Fucking uncommiteds are such bullshit artists. McCain plants!

    WTF Joe!? Off shore drilling?

    Fuck, Joe, you’re reciting the McCain lines.

    According to Joe, taxing $250,000 is a slippery slope. How about a billion Joe? Hey Joe, lets just grow the money on trees then we will not need taxes!

  87. 87.

    nicethugbert

    I notice that people tend to believe whatever unflatering noise rethugs make about Democrats. Why? I know there is that research that says that about 1/3, or was it 2/3 thirds, of ze pahpulase is stupid, i.e. they believe lies when the accused defends himself. But, it seems that when it’s a rethug talking about a dem, it doesn’t matter what the dem says or does. Or, is it that dems are not good at countering the smear? What should the Dems do? Moon the audience? It’s unnatural to mo.., eh, not defend yourself.

    Sadly, during one of McCain’s uppity moments, McUppity if you will, moments of fake self defense and truth squading, Obama did turn away. But, Obama won. HAHAHAHA McUppity is a McLoser!

  89. 89.

    kommrade jakevich

    @nicethugbert: How the fuck can you be uncommitted AND know who you’re going to vote for?

    I work with someone who is uncommitted and almost proud of the fact. As the days go by and she once again announces that she really just can’t make up her mind, the chances that we’ll all rise up and smack her across the head with rulers increase.

  90. 90.

    Comrade Tax Analyst

    tripletee said:

    And stop smiling, it makes you look like a scary methed-up lawn gnome.

    I predict that by the year 2056 the "scary, methed-up lawn gnome" look will be considered "Presidential".

    Makes me kinda glad I’ll be long-dead by then.

  91. 91.

    Comrade Tax Analyst

    The Grand Panjandrum

    @Delia: I just turned on the debate about fifteen minutes and the first thing I noticed was the blinking. Is he being held hostage and blinking a secret message? O oo o o oh … I picking it up now … "H-e-p m-e. H-e-p m-e. M-y c-a-m-p-a-i-g-n h-a-s f-a-l-l-e-n a-n-d i-t c-a-n-n-o-t g-e-t u-p!"

    I’m thinking, "Win" on that remark.

    I think the McCain campaign should try and use the blinking as their "message" for the final 3 weeks of the campaign: "Blink for John McCain!", where they encourage all McCain supporters to go around blinking at everybody as a method of building a groudswell of support. See, the blinking neatly avoids having to make any verbal statements or arguments as to WHY one should vote for John McCain. It’s a perfect fit because that’s always been one of their weak areas. They can just substitute blinks in place of all their usual nonsense and batshit lying.

    And if it catches on it will really make sites like Red State much calmer. I think that would do them a lot of good at this point.

  92. 92.

    Chris

    Joe the plumber makes more dough than I do. What about Eyeball the Sap? Where is my shoutout?

    I’ve been snickering at a bunch of stuff on this thread, but something about "Eyeball the Sap" is completely cracking me up.

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