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by Michael D.|  October 23, 20087:08 am| 65 Comments

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Ponder the beauty of this whilst you wait for something more substantial to come along:

Update: The graphic, for those who cannot see it, shows the race between Saxby Chambliss and Jim Martin in Georgia. Saxby Chambliss leads Jim Martin approximately 45.5% – 45.0%.

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  1. 1.

    TR

    October 23, 2008 at 7:15 am

    Christ, that is a thing of beauty.

    There’s no senator out there more deserving of some karmic payback.

  2. 2.

    Comrade Nimrod Humperdink

    October 23, 2008 at 7:26 am

    Meanwhile, all eyes turn to Iowa: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/gunman_kills_15_potential_voters

  3. 3.

    smiley

    October 23, 2008 at 7:29 am

    Those tax ads being run by the DSCC seem to be working — even though they’re very misleading.

  4. 4.

    ET

    October 23, 2008 at 7:30 am

    It would be so lovely to see Chambliss get his ass kicked.

  5. 5.

    Comrade Nimrod Humperdink

    October 23, 2008 at 7:35 am

    Chambliss in trouble, Toobs Stevens waiting on a verdict and Don Young left for dead, Bachmann finally getting a megaphone and beating herself over the head with it, Repubs pulling out on Marilyn Musgrave, don’t tease me pollsters, it’s cruel… Wonder how Steve King and Patrick McHenry and Lynn Westmoreland are doing.

  6. 6.

    SnarkyShark

    October 23, 2008 at 7:36 am

    Margin of error babeee!

    Could it be we might actually be moving on from the civil war?

    Now if we can just get past that whole 1968 thingee.

  7. 7.

    NonyNony

    October 23, 2008 at 7:41 am

    don’t tease me pollsters, it’s cruel

    This is how I’m feeling right now. There are just so many of these fools getting stomped on at once that I’m afraid I’m getting my hopes up. Seeing Chambliss go down would be soooooo delicious after what he pulled on Cleland. I don’t want to build my expectations too high, but it would be sweet.

  8. 8.

    Comrade Nimrod Humperdink

    October 23, 2008 at 7:44 am

    Oh, and two polls (Quinnipiac, Big Ten) have Obama up by more than ten points in Ohio (I’m skeptical but I’ll take good outliers over bad ones) and Big Ten has him up in friggin’ Indiana by ten points.

  9. 9.

    gbear

    October 23, 2008 at 7:46 am

    Here’s a weird story to ponder. Six MN politician’s garages get vandalized w/ hate speech and biblical references. Norm Coleman and Michelle Bachmann were two of the six. The other four were dems. Somebody is seriously fucked up.

  10. 10.

    Michael Demmons

    October 23, 2008 at 7:46 am

    @smiley: Out and out lying, actually. But my disdain for Chambliss far outweighs my irritation about those ads.

  11. 11.

    Punchy

    October 23, 2008 at 7:49 am

    Sexsy Shameless gunna lose to a Dem in Gahgah? Crikey.

  12. 12.

    kommrade jakevich

    October 23, 2008 at 7:52 am

    @gbear: There was a story here yesterday about threatening calls made to the offices of some Congressional members (I did not hear a report saying who got the calls). Maybe this is related.

    I’m guessing the perp is a generally unhinged loony.

    Or Larry Craig is holding one hell of a grudge against Minnesota.

    Psalm 2, in case you’re wondering.

  13. 13.

    roza Hussein

    October 23, 2008 at 7:57 am

    12 days and I can exhale

  14. 14.

    Shaggy

    October 23, 2008 at 8:04 am

    @gbear:

    In other (lighter) news, our lawn sign was stolen either last night or this morning…when my husband and I left together to go early vote.

    It was a Jim Martin sign, with two "Georgia Veterans for Obama" bumper stickers attached.

    We were reluctant to put a sign out at all, because we live near the dead end of a cul de sac and we get no thru-traffic. But when we went to the North Georgia Democrats rally, we picked one up on impulse.

    I hope it was just kids.

  15. 15.

    Atanarjuat

    October 23, 2008 at 8:20 am

    No one ever argued that misleading propaganda doesn’t work. Why else would Nobama and his minions resort to vicious ads that thoroughly misrepresent the positions championed by Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin?

    It also helps that the liberal media is doing such marvelous deep-sea diving work on Nobama’s behalf, since being completely in the tank for an unapologetic, wealth-distributing socialist is no longer seen as shameful (which it should be).

    But despite all these brutal sling and arrows that the honorable John McCain has suffered alongside Sarah Palin, they still keep their heads held high and continue to deliver the message of change and reform that Nobama and the liberal media are desperately attempting to bury.

    Country First.

  16. 16.

    Dennis - SGMM

    October 23, 2008 at 8:24 am

    Good News:
    Just heard on NPR that the latest polling on California’s Prop. 8 (The anti-gay marriage amendment) is running 52% against and 44% for. Obama is polling in the mid-fifties here with McCain at 38%.

  17. 17.

    Jon H

    October 23, 2008 at 8:42 am

    From a mass-email David Plouffe is sending out today:

    "We to need to fill 845,252 volunteer shifts in battleground states."

    The sound you just heard is Steve Schmidt crapping his pants.

  18. 18.

    fuddmain

    October 23, 2008 at 8:47 am

    @Dennis – SGMM:

    Is it a straight-up majority to get this passed in California? In Florida, it takes 60% to get an amendment to the Constitution passed. Hopefully, our own hate amendment (Prop. 2) will go down in flames.

  19. 19.

    The Moar You Know

    October 23, 2008 at 8:54 am

    @fuddmain: 50% + 1 for California initiatives.

  20. 20.

    ThymeZoneThePlumber

    October 23, 2008 at 8:55 am

    How long would it take to write a sentence or two describing the video? Sometimes people can’t play the video, and if there is not even one word to describe it, then then entire thread is a blank wall to that reader.

    This request has been made numerous times before by numerous people, is there some problem with paying attention to it?

  21. 21.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    October 23, 2008 at 8:59 am

    @ThymeZoneThePlumber:

    It’s not a video, it’s a chart showing Saxby Chambliss in a dead tie with his challenger.

  22. 22.

    Dork

    October 23, 2008 at 8:59 am

    "We to need to fill 845,252 volunteer shifts in battleground states."

    Can I get this in English? And who’s David Plouffe?

  23. 23.

    Far Left American Hater Incertus

    October 23, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Election fail.

    But on the good side, record early voting turnout all over the place. They’re practically melting down the printers that do the optical scan ballots in some early voting areas in south Florida.

  24. 24.

    cleek

    October 23, 2008 at 9:03 am

    who’s David Plouffe?

    Obama’s campaign manager

    he’s looking for people to do phone banking

  25. 25.

    Far Left American Hater Incertus

    October 23, 2008 at 9:04 am

    @fuddmain: The latest polls say it’s going to be close in Florida, but the advantage is with No right now. 53-42 in favor with 5% undecided.

  26. 26.

    robertdsc

    October 23, 2008 at 9:04 am

    Plouffe is Obama’s campaign manager.

    The shifts he speaks of are canvassers, phone banks, and other kinds of Get Out The Vote work.

  27. 27.

    SamFromUtah

    October 23, 2008 at 9:12 am

    @ThymeZoneThePlumber: This request has been made numerous times before by numerous people, is there some problem with paying attention to it?

    It is an exceptionally lazy way to blog. Sadly, it’s becoming really common.

  28. 28.

    GSD

    October 23, 2008 at 9:14 am

    It’s spelled Suxby Chumpbliss.

    -Joe the Heckler

  29. 29.

    Dork

    October 23, 2008 at 9:17 am

    @cleek: Obama’s? Why would Steve Schmidt be "crapping his pants" if he knew O’s team still needs almost a million volunteers?

    Seems like it would make him happy to know Obama’s falling short (relatively speaking)…..

  30. 30.

    Napoleon

    October 23, 2008 at 9:17 am

    We were reluctant to put a sign out at all, because we live near the dead end of a cul de sac and we get no thru-traffic. But when we went to the North Georgia Democrats rally, we picked one up on impulse.

    I hope it was just kids.

    About a week ago the police caught a kid locally stealing them when someone set up a camera. The new show the police station with a pile of Obama signs (and no other signs) and then cut to the kids dad talking about how the kid is totally non-political and he was sure it wasn’t aimed at any one in particular "but just kids playing pranks"

    Riiiiiggghhhht

  31. 31.

    Doug H. (Comrade Fausto no more)

    October 23, 2008 at 9:17 am

    For a minute there, I thought that was the Obama-McCain chart for Georgia.

  32. 32.

    cmohr

    October 23, 2008 at 9:18 am

    Chambliss is one of the most loathsome lizards to ever occupy the US Senate. I would cheer the possible demise of any reactionary troglydite from office, but with some of them, it wouldn’t be so much personal as out of a sense of civic duty. For example, Tom Coburn is one of the most absurdly troglydite reactionaries in the entire Senate, but on a personal level he doesn’t seem to villify his Democratic colleagues, many of whom have a quiet friendship with him. But Chambliss is the sort of arrogant coward who beat a triple amputee wounded vet of the Vietnam War, Max Cleland, in by accusing Cleland of being "unpatriotic" for questioning the need to go to war in Iraq.

    Anyone know how Patrick McHenry, another loathsome lizard in Congress is doing in his reelection campaign? Unfortunately, Mr. McHenry enjoys being from one of the more GOP-friendly congressional districts in NC, but hopefully even that won’t save him with the anti-GOP hurricane force winds blowing this year.

  33. 33.

    Michael Demmons

    October 23, 2008 at 9:20 am

    @cmohr: McHenry is ahead with 55%

  34. 34.

    gbear

    October 23, 2008 at 9:21 am

    @Dennis – SGMM:

    Yes! That is great news. Yay!

  35. 35.

    Comrade Nixon Hailfire Palin

    October 23, 2008 at 9:25 am

    It’s spelled Suxby Chumpbliss.

    Suxtooby Himbliss?

  36. 36.

    pablo

    October 23, 2008 at 9:26 am

    I think Georgia requires a 51% majority to declair a winner.
    I haven’t the slightest idea who would take a runoff,
    But if anyone needs a good ass-whooping, it Saxby!

  37. 37.

    Perry Como

    October 23, 2008 at 9:29 am

    HAHAHA! Cox and Greenspan are knocking down every wingnut talking point about the financial crisis in their opening statements.

  38. 38.

    Tymannosourus

    October 23, 2008 at 9:35 am

    Well, I’m here to eat crow.

    A week and a half I said you were high if you thought that Georgia was in play. By "high," I must have actually meant "in tune with the Georgia electorate."

    An aside, how BS is it the MSN’s front page says the race is dead even because their ONE AP poll has the race at 1 point differential. Never mind those pesky 20 other polls that have the race at a 6+ point difference.

  39. 39.

    Brian J

    October 23, 2008 at 9:36 am

    Hey, you know what, I was wondering when I’d have a chance to implore people to send money to Martin in Georgia and Lunsford in Kentucky. I sent them each $25 last night, not a lot, but if a lot of the same people who sent Bachmann’s opponent, El Tinkelberg, money send Lunsford and Martin, they’d be in much better shape. As a Politico article mentioned, Martin has only $92,000 cash on hand. There’s a reason that Bill Clinton is going to do fund rasiers for both of these guys: they need the cash, and they are in a position to win.

    Send them some money, if you can.

  40. 40.

    ThymeZoneThePlumber

    October 23, 2008 at 9:39 am

    It’s not a video, it’s a chart showing Saxby Chambliss in a dead tie with his challenger.

    Thank you, I nominate you to be on the front page here.

    Someday, blogs will be operated by people who understand that we cant install plugins on every machine out here. Or we might be behind some defense that blocks content.

    That will be right after we round up all the Republican stupid people and put them on reservations.

  41. 41.

    Brian J

    October 23, 2008 at 9:43 am

    Wonder how Steve King and Patrick McHenry and Lynn Westmoreland are doing.

    Isn’t it odd how the defeat of certain members of congress can fill you with such joy? When I heard that fat piece of crap JD Hayworth went down in Arizona, I was thrilled. And this was based on seeing him on television in high school and early on in college!

  42. 42.

    Comrade Nixon Hailfire Palin

    October 23, 2008 at 9:46 am

    About a week ago the police caught a kid locally stealing them when someone set up a camera. The new show the police station with a pile of Obama signs (and no other signs) and then cut to the kids dad talking about how the kid is totally non-political and he was sure it wasn’t aimed at any one in particular "but just kids playing pranks"
    Riiiiiggghhhht

    As crappy as this is, be careful about blaming campaigns for this stuff unless you have a smoking gun. My dittohead brother had his McCain yard sign stolen and his car window smashed and I’ll spare you his interpretation of that. A house near us has a large, spotlit McCain yard sign that my son and I enjoyed mocking; this morning we saw it defaced with obscene graffiti. Some assholes will use any excuse to act like assholes.

  43. 43.

    Krista

    October 23, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Wonder how Steve King and Patrick McHenry and Lynn Westmoreland are doing.

    Speaking of Steve King (the other one), this is from Stephen King’s interview with Salon:

    There’s that scene in "The Dead Zone" where Johnny Smith sees Greg Stillson in the future starting a nuclear war. Around my house we kinda laugh when Sarah Palin comes on TV, and we say, "That’s Greg Stillson as a woman."

    Yeowch.

  44. 44.

    eglenn

    October 23, 2008 at 9:54 am

    538 has a great article on what voting percentages it would take for Georgia to go Obama and/or Martin.

    As of yesterday, 13% of eligible Georgia voters have voted. African-American are 35.5% of that total (29.9% of registered voters).

    Even if Obama doesn’t win Georgia (gut says ‘yes’, head says ‘no’), Martin should still be in very fine shape…

  45. 45.

    Comrade Jake

    October 23, 2008 at 9:54 am

    @Dork:

    Seems like it would make him happy to know Obama’s falling short (relatively speaking)…..

    It probably will, seeing as how Schmidt’s an idiot. In terms of the ground game, Obama’s up on McCain by a score of about 28-7. Plouffe’s email is akin to trying to double the number of players on the field for the home team, just for the last half of the fourth quarter.

  46. 46.

    Napoleon

    October 23, 2008 at 9:54 am

    @Comrade Nixon Hailfire Palin:

    I am not at all blaming the campaign. I am sure they had nothing to do with it, but to think that him and his school friends just happen to randomly only snag the signs for the Dem candidate for Pres. (and based on where it was at likely the only yard sign for an African American candidate) is beyond belief. And the fact that dad was willing to go on TV with a whopper that on its face was laughable tells you where the kid likely got his antipathy to Obama from.

  47. 47.

    Jon H

    October 23, 2008 at 10:10 am

    Dork wrote: "Seems like it would make him happy to know Obama’s falling short (relatively speaking)….."

    Er, no. Schmidt probably has 1/10 as many volunteers, and if he said he wanted 800,000 more volunteer shifts nobody would believe he had a snowball’s chance in hell of filling them, let alone *using* them.

    What’s impressive about Plouffe’s number is that a) they’re actually trying to get that much volunteer effort, and b) that the attempt is credible.

    There’s probably some inflation in the number, just to psych out the GOP, but even 400,000 volunteer shifts would be pretty impressive.

    What would be useful is knowing just how long a ‘shift’ is. 8 hours? 2 hours?

  48. 48.

    Shaggy

    October 23, 2008 at 10:16 am

    @Napoleon:

    I’m really hoping it was just a prank, or if it was deliberate because it was a Martin sign, that the people aren’t hateful enough to come back on election (or any other) night and do something much worse.

    I’m being totally paranoid, right?

    This election cycle has gotten so nasty, I really don’t know what to expect.

    The weird part to me is that it was a Martin sign, not an Obama sign (just small Obama stickers on the sign). That tells me it might have just been kids…right?

  49. 49.

    Atanarjuat

    October 23, 2008 at 10:17 am

    ThymeZoneThePlumber said:

    That will be right after we round up all the Republican stupid people and put them on reservations.

    Why stop there? If Nobama wins, you and your fellow socialists could shove all of the "enemies of the state" into giant airtight chambers pumped full of Zyklon-B. Now that would be a Final Solution you can believe in!

    Country First.

  50. 50.

    Bad Horse's Filly

    October 23, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Am I the only one who thinks this chart looks a little, um, phallic?

  51. 51.

    Stuck in the Funhouse

    October 23, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Ponder the beauty of this

    It’s called a Donkey Bite.

  52. 52.

    SnarkyShark

    October 23, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Now that would be a Final Solution you can believe in!

    Total win. Balloon Juice officially has the best trolls. That was a thing of beauty.

  53. 53.

    Brian J

    October 23, 2008 at 10:43 am

    As crappy as this is, be careful about blaming campaigns for this stuff unless you have a smoking gun. My dittohead brother had his McCain yard sign stolen and his car window smashed and I’ll spare you his interpretation of that. A house near us has a large, spotlit McCain yard sign that my son and I enjoyed mocking; this morning we saw it defaced with obscene graffiti. Some assholes will use any excuse to act like assholes.

    My mom insists in putting this gigantic stuffed bear dressed up as Santa on our front porch each year. One year, these kids stole it right from us, not in the middle of the night, but in the middle of the day. And then they put it up on their front stoop, as if we wouldn’t see it when they lived down the block. It’s amazing what idiots some people are.

  54. 54.

    Stuck in the Funhouse

    October 23, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Why stop there? If Nobama wins, you and your fellow socialists could shove all of the "enemies of the state" into giant airtight chambers pumped full of Zyklon-B.

    No No No. That would be a terrible waste of slave labor. "Enemies of the State" will be sent to Iraq and elsewhere to build sewers for brown folks. Lots of sewers, and then, even more sewers.

  55. 55.

    Comrade Nimrod Humperdink

    October 23, 2008 at 10:57 am

    @Brian J: I don’t consider it odd at all. I admit that part of me would miss Westmoreland for comedic reasons (his Ten Commandments problem on Colbert is one of my favorite moments in American politics, and being tone deaf enough to just flat out call Obama ‘uppity’) but Howard Dean had a great line about some of these loons when he was talking about George Allen in ’06 when we all learned what ‘macaca’ meant: "I know George from when we were both Governors, and frankly I don’t think he’s worthy of public service." It’s one thing to be a partisan firebrand. It’s another to be a disgrace to the process. Others I’d list as ‘unworthy’ include: Palin, Robin Hayes, Marsha Blackburn, Pete Hoekstra, Dana Rohrabacher, James Inhofe, David Vitter, Darrell Issa, and Bill Sali off the top of my head. There are others that are borderline, like Sensenbrenner, or just crooked, like John Mica or Jerry Lewis, and hard core right wingers that I think have crazy policy positions, like Coburn, but they don’t cause quite the same level of psychic pain on the public consciousness (or collective unconscious, if you prefer) because they don’t make everything so personal.

  56. 56.

    TR

    October 23, 2008 at 11:02 am

    If Nobama wins, you and your fellow socialists could shove all of the "enemies of the state" into giant airtight chambers pumped full of Zyklon-B.

    So liberals are socialists are fascists are communists now?

    Fast runner, maybe. Shortbus rider, definitely.

  57. 57.

    GMC No Relation

    October 23, 2008 at 11:20 am

    @pablo: I’m wondering if anyone can confirm that GA requires 50%+1? I live in GA, so I SHOULD know, but I don’t. It just changes the dynamics and somewhat blunts any resulting immediate ecstasy or sorrow.

  58. 58.

    eglenn

    October 23, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Unfortunately, 50%+1 to win, less than 50% is a runoff.

  59. 59.

    Michael D.

    October 23, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    This is also a beautiful thing. Not sure there’s enough time left though.

  60. 60.

    Michael D.

    October 23, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    @ThymeZoneThePlumber: I apologize. I know that’s irritating. For my part, I will make a committment to explain videos or Flash content when I post it from now on.

    You know, at work, a big part of my job is to make educational online content accessible to blind and visually impaired people by doing exactly when you’ve complained I am not doing here. I should know better.

    Won’t happen again.

  61. 61.

    JR

    October 23, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Isn’t "Atanarjuat" a Islamic name?

  62. 62.

    binzinerator

    October 23, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Attajerk slips up:

    But despite all these brutal sling and arrows that the honorable John McCain has suffered…

    No self-respectin’ wingnut troll would ever drop a literary allusion, and damn certainly not one to Shakespeare.

    Attajerk’s troll-fu doth wanes.

    Attajerk then makes a desparate save:

    Now that would be a Final Solution you can believe in!

    Attajerk’s troll-fu waxes.

    Net effect: stasis. No points awarded.

  63. 63.

    Cris v.3.1

    October 23, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    @JR:
    Islam, Inuit, who can tell the difference am i rite

  64. 64.

    Jon H

    October 23, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    "Isn’t "Atanarjuat" a Islamic name?"

    The Atanar part sounds Malagasy (from Madagascar).

    It also sounds a little Sri Lankan?

  65. 65.

    BladeZero

    October 24, 2008 at 6:21 am

    This is simply amazing. People’s hearts are speaking to them.

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