The activist judiciary once again thumbs its nose at the grand conservative movement:
The order and memorandum came down at approximately 6:15 p.m. on Friday. Philip Berg’s lawsuit challenging Illinois Sen. Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility to serve as president of the United States had been dismissed by the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick on grounds that the Philadelphia attorney and former Deputy Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania lacked standing.
Surrick, it seemed, was not satisfied with the nature of evidence provided by Berg to support his allegations.
Drats! Foiled again! What ever will Andy McCarthy write about now? Oh, nevermind:
I just caught up with an interview by one of my favorite guys, Hugh Hewitt, of another of my favorite guys, Stanley Kurtz. (It’s on Hugh’s Townhall blog, which always has plenty of required reading.)
Stanley, of course, has done singularly vital investigative work on Obama’s background — you should check out his NRO archive, here, as well as important articles he’s recently written in the New York Post and the Wall Street Journal (see. e.g., here, here and here). But Hugh’s interview is a real primer for those who haven’t delved into it much. It also spotlights an important point that has largely been missed. That is, while there has been focus on the Obama/Ayers tie and the Obama/Khalidi tie, no real attention has been paid to the Ayers/Khalidi tie — which is very strong and tightens the circle significantly.
I swear they work in shifts over at the NRO. Today it seems that McCarthy, Kurtz, and Steyn are on call to provide the stoopid. At any rate, when this fails to bring down Obama, McCarthy can always pin his hopes on the Obama mistress story being peddled by Uncle Dimbo and company at BlackFive, who are doing their own citizen journalism. Now they have a super secret source that confirms privately there was an affair between Obama and a former staffer (and they name her, gleefully, the poor woman), but no one will go public with it.
My guess on their source? Larry Johnson.
If the conservative movement was a horse, we would be well beyond shooting it, and have decided to move on to grenades and claymore mines.
slammin' sammy
if the conservative movement was a horse, it would be coming out the other end of an Elmer’s bottle by now.
Warren Terra
Matthew Yglesias had an excellent post on Stanley Kurtz’s latest nonsense.
The best part of any reference to Kurtz, of course, is that is immediately makes me think "The horror … the horror!"
Polish the Guillotines
Dunno why, but this got me to thinking: Someone ought to remake Capricorn One. I’ll bet it’d kill on opening weekend.
LiberalTarian
I’ve been getting accosted by right wingers lately. I don’t know why, but they want to strike up conversations with me in grocery stores and on sidewalks. I try to be polite, but eventually, it is "run away run away." These people really bring the crazy. One guy told me that there is a ton of oil in the US we just haven’t drilled for it because when the rest of the world runs out of oil we’ll still have some. Another lady told me we are in Iraq because they keep shooting at us. I honestly don’t know why they approach me. I don’t think I look conservative, but I’m not sure what that looks like.
I hope when the election is over they crawl back under their rocks, but I am not confident. You think if I start wearing a rainbow pin they’ll leave me alone???
Mwangangi
Bu..But he cited multiple internet sources, how could he not have standing, that’s unpossible.
Leo
From the link:
Is anyone keeping a list of all the INCREDIBLY SHOCKING tapes that are supposed to be released to the media in the next week?
Stuck in the Funhouse
Shorter wingnuts –We’re Prancing As Fast As We Can
After the election someone should invent a game called Wingnut Whack-o-Smear with the loser (or winner) receiving a free NRO reach-a-round.
SnarkyShark
I’m sure agent Flowbee is on top of that.
Comrade Jake
The tragedy here is not that such wingnuts exist, but rather that they manage to generate storylines that often penetrate the MSM. Hugh Hewitt, who’s singular skill appears to be to express the stupid using complete sentences, has been on CNN a few times of late to peddle the bile.
Leo
@SnarkyShark: And there’s that African Press interview with Michelle Obama that we’re supposed to be getting a tape of any day now, too.
Talk about an intellectually bankrupt movement–even their smears are derivative.
Comrade Jake
@SnarkyShark:
Speaking of Larry Johnson…
Amanda
In another Kurtz post today:
Epic lulz @s_kurtz.
Comrade Jake
Heh. I just went over to Obama’s Fight The Smears webpage.
Shorter Obama: you know all that crazy shit people have been saying about me? Yup, it’s crazy, and it’s dogshit.
SnarkyShark
Comrade Jake-
UH OH….looks like his little ratfuck operation closed shop!
I once got a really nasty e-mail from old Larry. Was during the Israel/Lebanon clusterfuck. Larry wrote a scathing article about what a dumbfuck Olmert was. One of his big points was how Olmert never served in the military and so didn’t have any experience in that regard. Like a rookie, I figured LJ had done the research on what seemed to be a damn good paper.
Nope. I got busted over at the TMV (Olmert was a medic) by no less than Chuckles from FreeRepublik (or L Green Snotballs, I forget which site he started)
So I wrote to LJ to suggest maybe he didn’t need to make such a claim about Olmert as the rest of the piece stood on its own and the false claim detracted from the argument(credibility).
Pretty much verbatim-
Fuck off you fucking troll, Crawl back under your rock.
-Larry Johnson
Then he blocked me as I found out when I e-mailed him back WTF?.
I wrote a diary about it. Got both troll rated and recommended in equal measure. Larry had a bunch of fanbois back then at the GOS.
So I wasn’t suprised when he came unglued..
John Cole
Did I miss something? It seems like normal over there.
Comrade Jake
@SnarkyShark:
You want to know what really bugs me? That someone who’s so clearly a nutjob had any kind of a role in our government, at any point in his life. I do wonder if his bio isn’t fabricated from whole cloth.
Mike
This could be interpreted as an incitement to terrorism against horses. Consider using a more appropriate metaphor, such as an abortion clinic.
Funkhauser
Help me out here … if he didn’t have standing to bring the suit, the quality of his evidence is immaterial. Standing is the ability to sue.
Right?
Comrade Jake
@John Cole:
It’s given me a DNS lookup error a couple of times today, including just now. He’s probably
looking for Whiteydoing site maintenance.mak
Yes, but here, "evidence"t could be referring to whatever information he presented as evidence of his standing to sue. Haven’t (and won’t) read the whole opinion since the entire case was frivilous, but that’s a guess. Speaking of frivilous, I hope whomever was defending the suit (Obama? campaign?) will seek sanctions and costs.
Tsulagi
Well now isn’t that special. Blackfive going all a titter with the girlie man gossip. Seems fitting Uncle Dimbo leading the charge. Look forward to their tactics analysis of Palin’s makeup surge. Guessing Uncle Jimbo can share some already hard fought lessons learned in that area.
SnarkyShark
I guess not. I clicked Comrade Jakes link and got cant find server. Maybe I got blocked from there too.
But I would tend to disagree with your use of the word normal.
Unless you define normal for NQ as bat shit crazy.
ninerdave
Yet they are still in power until 1/20/09. Via TPM looks like they’ll be using their power in Ohio at least:
It’s not voter surpression if the DOJ’s involved is it?
kommrade jakevich
@Funkhauser:
From the blog post (quite interesting if you’re into this sort of thing):
I highlighted what I think was the most important part but someone who actually sat the Bar will be along to correct me. It would be better to read the entire post John linked or even the memorandum, which I suspect is laden with comedy gold.
Whoopsies:
Considering Berg was once a DA, I’m going to guess any misinterpretations were not accidental and Surrick is signaling he knows he was being played.
SnarkyShark
What bugs me is that this supposed hot shot CIA secret agent man didn’t even know Olmert served. And when provided with facts, didn’t give a shit and took personal offense.
How could a guy like that provide any kind of decent intelligence product? It does explain his Hillary love however.
Stuck in the Funhouse
Brace yourselves Komrades, David Frum is, well, concerned with the Mccain Campaign and what it means for the country
er Right Wing.
Hee!!
Uh, yea. We call it shouting down wingnut lies and distortions with a new megaphone as loud as the RWNM. Get used to it ,and the end of Clear Channel control of only letting RW talkers rule the airways. Wingnuts can say what they want, only they will have to share the mic and station ownership with those who have something different to say.
"Unchecked, this angry new wing of the Democratic Party will seek to stifle opposition by changing the rules of the political game. Some will want to silence conservative talk radio by tightening regulation of the airwaves via the misleadingly named "fairness doctrine"; others may seek to police the activities of right-leaning think tanks by a stricter interpretation of what is tax-deductible and what is not."
block quote hell
nabalzbbfr
The American people will not stand idly by while a national election is blatantly rigged by ACORN, Soros, Moveon and other sleazy Chicago-style political shenanigans. If worst comes to worst, means of redress are explicitly specified in our Declaration of Independence and the Second Amendment.
kommrade jakevich
OMG the comments section over there is a Trolls’ Playground.
Yes, yes! And now that you’ve spoken out against The ONE, Afrocentric Radical Kenyan Booga Booga Nativists will becoming for YOU.
Gotta go suit up…
SnarkyShark
Hell yeah. Except the intolerance is for dipshit winger dueschbaggery which cannot be classified as dissent or criticism. But I like the smell of fear that permeates that quote.
And the churches. Don’t forget the Churches.
And hell yeah, that sounds like a good plan.
It’s coming wingnuts. Its payback time. The MUP is all about peace love and understanding. The Juice isn’t under the same obligation.
Warren Terra
I clicked on the link to NoQuarter just to see if it was working for me, and in the short time before I left to avoid Stupid Overload I noticed that he has a prominent link to donate to Hillary to help retire her debt. The only problem is, the only way to do that is to donate to her primary campaign … and the only way to donate to her primary campaign legally is to do it before the convention. I don’t know about his priorities, but if I had a working time machine – or even just a way to send money back in time to August – I might think of some other things to do with it.
SnarkyShark
I don’t know if your a parody or not, but you just threw up in the house of heavily armed and pissed liberals.
There is a big difference between sitting your fat stupid drunk ass in a deer stand to pop a cap on Bambi and taking on well trained intelligent people who shoot back.
You can take your Rambo fantasies somewhere else.
Polish the Guillotines
@ninerdave:
Man, they’re not even pretending to be legitimate anymore. The Bushies are down to the pure, banana republic backwash.
Obama’s really going to have to flush the crap out of the DOJ.
kommrade jakevich
OT: Paging Mr. Godwin. Mr. Godwin please pick up line 1.
OK, I thought I couldn’t be surprised by anything they did this cycle. I was wrong. If I owe you money, speak up.
SnarkyShark
You notice how their worse nightmare is to be taxed?
That’s not what I would be worried about if I were them.
Rico comes to mind for starters. As enemies of the constitution of the domestic variety, taxes might be the least of their worries.
Stuck in the Funhouse
While we are generally peacenik liberals and moderates, that should not be confused with pacifist. In the words of your venial Dear Leader.
Bring it on, Motherfuckers.
jnfr
We went out canvassing for Obama again today. We’ll do it again next Saturday as we have been for weeks now, and will help with GOTV on election day.
Then we plan to sit back with a large pitcher of very good margaritas and watch the right wing’s well-deserved implosion. We will be happy and thankful to see the country thoroughly reject the Bush years and the Republicans in general.
SnarkyShark
That’s in the top five immediate things to do. There is no credibility left in that organization.
Leo
This is so great. We’ve got the McCain/Palin rallies, the Ashley Todd incident, any number of signs, poster, or other displays, and roughly a million comments like this on blogs or heard in real life. And they’re all in the public record.
Every time some gun nut does something crazy for the next decade its going to be placed at the feet of the Republican party.
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch of guys.
SnarkyShark
And rightfully so.
kommrade jakevich
@Leo: True, but if people MUST shout "Lookit me! Over here!" to the SS I wish they’d take a giant step … somewhere else.
ThymeZoneThePlumber
Redress? I got your redress right here. Round up the crazy Republicans and the Young Earth Creationists and put them on reservations.
To quote SITF: Bring it on, motherfuckers.
PS — I’m a better shot than you are.
Just so’s you know.
PanAmerican
As of now, Phillip Berg no longer exists. Say hello to Miguel Sanchez!
Soylent Green
Snarkyshark, we don’t have any real trolls in residence these days. Atanarjuat and nabalzbbfhr are both spoofs, the former a good one who is usually on his game, the latter as lame and obvious as they come.
SnarkyShark
I knew about Atanarjuat who is great, but nablfuck seemed about as stupid as a real winger. Live and learn.
Now on to some real fun.
The core has been breached
Meltdown imminent.
jcricket
This is the same DOJ that fired all the good attornies back in 2006 (2004?) when they refused to press bogus voter fraud cases forward.
Bush has fucked over literally every single government agency by promoting partisan hacks over qualified officials and pushing his right-wing political agenda rather than sound policy/science (depends on agency, but you get the idea).
Unfucking the government’s gonna take a little while, and it’s one of those "silent but deadly" things Cheney and Bush have been doing under our noses for 8 years.
BTW – it’s another thing we need to publicize. Yes, a lot of the public won’t care. But there’s a reason more and more "groups" are voting Democratic. Lawyers are now 4-1, Scientists like 5-1, Teachers 10-1 and so on. The more we can point out that Republicans hate everyone and will happily fuck you over to make a political point, the more groups we have on our side. It raises our floor, lowers the number of non-partisan surrogates they can draw from, etc.
jcricket
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Because the gun nuts are actively courted, supported, aided and abetted by the Republican party. For crissake, Sarah Palin doesn’t think abortion clinic bombers are domestic terrorists. Her husband is a member of a secessionist party and she’s spoken at 3 of their conventions.
She probably calls Eric Rudolph a freedom fighter when we’re not looking.
kommrade jakevich
Bwahaha! Woohoo! [slaps knee, falls off chair.]
chrome agnomen
one thing for sure; if the conservative movement was a horse, its teeth couldn’t be as good as ‘that one’s’.
snark/
and even elmer’s has standards; nothing the right has tried to put together has held yet, so how ya gonna be able to trust that glue?
SnarkyShark
My reaction exactly.
I always new the proles in the GOP had no real grasp on reality, but I always thought the Management had at least had some slight inkling.
Apparently I was wrong.
El Cid
Well, you libruls thought you were going to win, but now you have aroused the opposition of Time Cube guy.
nabalzbbfr
@SnarkyShark:
Perhaps you might want to ponder a bit more about the short term consequences of a controversial Obama victory.
SnarkyShark
Sorry, not taking the bait. I fed a troll once and it followed me home and shit all over the rug.
As for your post at Greenwald’s, I’ve heard all the shit already from my wingnut father. He actually believes it but it sounds no less infantile coming from a grown ass man.
Stuck in the Funhouse
In that were to happen, then you WOULD have much to fear from liberals, you seditious piece of wingnut road kill.
SnarkyShark
Plus there wont be anything controversial about it. Blow-outs never are. So there goes your whole stupid thesis in a puff of bong smoke.
Excuse me while I yawn
Steve V
Hilariously, it’s conservatives who champion tightening the standing doctrine. So GFY Andrew McCarthy!
SnarkyShark
Oh noes! Not Time Cube guy. He might get us with his cheetos flux modulator(tm)!
We’re doomed I tells ya
Far Left American Hater Incertus
@nabalzbbfr: Still dragging your ass across the carpet of the internet, I see.
nabalzbbfr
@SnarkyShark:
Some patriotic Americans might beg to differ.
TheOtherMikey
Years ago, I sat next to Rashid Khalidi at a dinner party. He spent the whole evening talking baseball. Not one revolutionary word passed his lips, not even a denunciation of the designated hitter.
nabalzbbfr
@TheOtherMikey:
You are known by the company you keep.
Stuck in the Funhouse
So this what it’s come to, responding to second rate spoofs as standins for bonified wingnut trolls. It’s so sad it drives me to break into folk song.
Where have all the wingnuts gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the wingnuts gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the wingnuts gone?
Spoofs have picked them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where’s my teary hankie, and will someone render Taps please.
Far Left American Hater Incertus
@TheOtherMikey: I would think a defense of the designated hitter would be the truly revolutionary act. Attacking it would be conservative, a desire to return to the days when a player had to prove himself both in the field and at the plate, not to mention the pitcher having to face potential retribution for beaning another player.
KRK
O/T
Today is the sixth anniversary of the death Senator Paul Wellstone in a plane crash in northern Minnesota. The Senate Democrats did a pretty decent tribute video last year.
SnarkyShark
Thanks for proving my point about grown ass people sounding like infants.
SnarkyShark
Man check out this crazy beyatch.
I don’t think Biden can quit believe what hes hearing.
As a sign of the changing times, the Obama campaign canceled a scheduled interview and informed the station there would be no more access.
Joebama aint playing
h/t to the GOS
kommrade jakevich
@Stuck in the Funhouse: The true trolls are all busy. Not only do they have to stock pile Cheetos for the coming Obamargeddon, but they have to find that pesky real birth certificate and translate the tape of Obama’s second cousin twice removed on his father’s side saying that Obama’s first words were "Death to America!" from Swahili to English. Right now they’re all in their sandboxes proving that there is no way to spend $150K on clothes and after that they have to check the kerning of the B on Todd’s face to make sure it doesn’t match Obama’s handwriting.
And on top of all that they still have to find time to yank it over pictures of Palin.
Don’t worry, they’ll be back.
Comrade Jake
Please, please, please let Sarah Palin become the leader of the Republican party. Please let her be propped up by the Hugh Hewitts, Rush Limbaughs, and Sean Hannitys of the world.
I love the smell of wingnut epic fail in the morning.
SnarkyShark
I don’t get it. She looks like a schoolmarm with a pretty wide butt.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but not usually the type considered wank material.
Although she does kind of have that bad actress porn star thing going on.
I know, I’m the bad guy.
Steve
Awesome. "Is that a joke? Is that a real question?"
Comrade Jake
@Steve:
Those would be the words of a candidate on a ticket that is currently obliterating the other. That is all confidence.
kommrade jakevich
@SnarkyShark: Keep in mind that at one time they were saying Ann Coulter was Le Hawt.
And FWIW my kid sister* said of Palin that she always looks like she’s about to let her hair down and start taking off clothes.
*OK, she’s closing on 30 but she’s still a kid to me.
Gus
Bring it, bitch.
SnarkyShark
That waz just teh closeted gayness coming out.
Kirk
@SnarkyShark:
Oh, but SnarkyShark, you haven’t been paying attention. The wingnuts are working to be able to make even a blowout seem controversial. They want to cancel (among other things) 200,000 voter registrations in Ohio. They tried to nullify all the early votes in Lake County, Indiana (functionally a suburb of Chicago) claiming the early voting is potentially subject to fraudulent voting.
They’re going to throw a bunch of shit into the air and claim that’s all reason the election was fraudulent. We’ll be mired in controversy for years if they can manage it.
SnarkyShark
You’re talking about the people who thought they were going to have a thousand year
RiechRepublican majority.They aint gonna be able to pull it off.
And the courts have been bitch slapping them at every turn.
They are clowns, and the Circus is burning down.
Geoduck
Have to vent this somewhere, and it’s mostly on-topic, so..
I just a forwarded e-mail accusing Obama of being, literally, the Antichrist. Why are PEOPLE SO @#$ING STUPID!?
Ahem. Thank you. Carry on.
Steve V
Sean Hannity sez that absolutely no way can you criticize the president during wartime. I’m afraid nablfzzer and his angry brethren will need to be prepared to lay down their arms on 11/5. Sean Hannity sez so.
Far Left American Hater Incertus
@SnarkyShark:
She’s getting the competition benefit of the doubt–in the realm of women Republican office holders, she’s hot. Compared to the rest of the world, not so much, but in that limited universe, she’s smoking.
Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s
Christ…Obama has a mistress?
Isn’t McCain’s mistress going to be first lady?
Wouldn’t Palin’s daughter illegitimate baby be the first one to live in the Vice President’s residence? Talk about welfare.
Jeff
@SnarkyShark: Talk about your biased interviews. Look for her to be cohosting a show with Steve Doocy on Fox News in 2009.
kommrade jakevich
@SnarkyShark: I don’t care if some bastard snorts entire boxes of mothballs while he’s in there. Anyone who finds that psychotic stick insect attractive probably adds new meaning to "Bonin’ in the Boneyard."
(No offense to stick insects.)
nabalzbbfr
@SnarkyShark:
Barbara West was awesome in that interview – a small healthy counterbalance to the fawning biased pro-Obama press coverage elsewhere. Biden looked arrogant, sexist and condescending. Obama campaign strategists must have been horrified at the damage this interview wreaked on their candidates’ standing in that crucial battleground. They’re scared sh*tless and canceled all further campaign interviews with WFTV.
nabalzbbfr
@SnarkyShark:
That’s very rich considering the looks of the women liberals have been wanking over: Hillary, Monica, Rielle, Michelle, etc.
Ed Marshall
I haven’t gone to noquarter in ages, but someone in a sadly no! thread said something about it being down for days so I went to see if someone had pulled the plug on that.
They haven’t pulled the plug, it’s up and they are comparing themselves to Fumio Nakahira, the Japanese soldier they found in 1980.
Comrade Darkness
Oh, thank God this will all be over soon. Any minute now the righteous will get the hell out of the way. . .raptured, whatever they want to call it. I’ll call it Good Riddance.
Atanarjuat
Sorry I haven’t been able to contribute to the last few car-bombings… er, I mean, leftist celebrations at the expense of some anxious conservatives, but I’ve been busy.
You know, working at a real job, the kind that will produce a more anemic paycheck should Nobama successfully swindle the American public on November 4th. When I have more time, I’ll return to school a few more of you fanatical IED assembly line workers. You can count on that.
Meanwhile, I’m heartened to see that at least one mainstream media journalist has challenged the Nobama agenda and skewered Lyin’ Biden in a recent interview. Now THAT’S quality journalism you can believe in, liberals!
Country First.
Kenneth Almquist
Right. I think Jeff Schreiber is reading stuff into the opinion that isn’t there.
Berg didn’t lose because of the quality of his evidence; he lost because legal precedents said that he didn’t have standing to sue. The most recent of these is Hollander v. McCain, which was decided earlier this year. Hollander claimed that John McCain wasn’t a natural born citizen (and thus could not become president) because McCain was born in the Panama Canal zone. The court ruled that Hollander lacked standing to sue. Berg made some feeble attempts to argue that his case was different from Hollander (for example he pointed out that Hollander was filed during the primary election whereas Berg was filed during the general election), but Berg and Hollander are virtually identical with regard to the standing question. The outcome of both cases should have been the same, and it was.
Stuck in the Funhouse
Yes, I saw that Ahkbar, that was some interview all right. I thought the lady, and I use that term loosely, Eva, uh something like bran, no Braun, was exquisite with her Red Baiting. I mean it was so artistic for her subtle and sly interjection of the question wingnuts all want answered. She just skipped right over socialist and coughed up the M word. Her rendition (I know you love that word) of Progressive taxation by quoting Marx directly was so very clever. I think Mr. Cole should consider the woman for the Flying Wingnut Weiner Award, or whatever it’s called. She was just magnificent with her clever and unbiased questioning techniques.
You really must visit The Funhouse someday Ahkbar, maybe for a lecture on the finer points of Spoofology. The inmates would love it and later we could have some Humboldt Pie and a spot of Tea.
SamFromUtah
@Leo: Is anyone keeping a list of all the INCREDIBLY SHOCKING tapes that are supposed to be released to the media in the next week?
I hope so – I’m planning to dowload all of them when they’re released and make a dance remix CD.
Will Hunting
Atanarjuat – you really are dense. Someone already posted that way up the thread. Stroke harder.
Delia
Not to worry. Under the New Order all wingnuts will be forced to use neti pots, which should successfully drain out all the crap that’s been clogging up their brains for lo, these many years, and they’ll be able to reason and actually use logic again. A new era will dawn.
Atanarjuat
Will Hunting said:
Thanks for the snarky correction, though it doesn’t take away from my observation that this is the kind of media focus that should be increasingly brought to bear on the whole Nobama regime. The scrutiny is definitely past due.
Ummm… no, thanks. Unlike most of the BJ chugga-luggers here, I keep both of my hands firmly on the keyboard.
Country First.
democrat
Progressive taxation has been around since 1911 and was championed by McCain’s hero, TR – I guess he and all the other presidents since its adoption are a bunch of Marxists.
mclaren
You have to feel sorry for the guy who must be beating these guys’ foreheads with a ball peen hammer to reduce their I.Q., because…man! His arm must be getting tired.
mclaren
Delia mentioned:
Yes, well, the problem is that far-right fringe logic operates a little…shall we say…differently from the logic with which you and I are familiar.
FAR-RIGHT FRINGE: "Socrate is a man. All men are mortal. Therefore — ALL MEN ARE SOCRATES!!! ZOMG, it’s a conspiracy!!!"
jcricket
I can’t believe we’re almost to 100 comments and no one said: This is GREAT NEWS for the lunatic fringe.
handy
@Atanarjuat: Hardly quality, considering she’s auditioning for a spot on Fox News. But, thanks for teh chuckles. I guess finally one of you Wingnuts had to come out and call Obama the "M" word.
Jeff
Check out the "harsh" treatment of McCain by the same interviewer at WFTV. She asked him the some tough questions. Why is ACORN so bad, how bad is Congressman John Lewis, are the Democrats calling you a racist, etc.
I especially like how she brought up the cut and run quote near the end.
EDIT: The link is not showing – http://www.wftv.com/video/17712615/index.html
Soylent Green
Better fake trolls please.
jcricket
Seriously, and when did you stop beating your wife?
Is it any surprise that the party that always screams about media bias is the one guilty of biasing the media?
Reminds me of Obama’s advisor guy shredding Hannity about his association with the anti-semitic guy while Hannity tried to stop him from talking by shouting a lot.
I can’t really decide whether Dems should simply avoid Fox News (lower their ratings b/c less confrontations to see?) or should send people like Biden on their to piss on the faces of O’Reilly, etc.
Conservatively Liberal
I was rubbernecking the horrible scene of the personality pileup at RedState and I noticed a post from their resident pet PUMA, c17wife. She/it writes some really nasty screeds against Obama and the rednecks there just luvs her for it. Her latest one is at the top of their popular diary list and I have to say that the witch poured all of her bile into it and the red meat eaters there are in love with it.
The short of it is that it (the election) is in god’s hands, but she will oppose evil and everyone who supports Obama (and of course Obama himself) is evil. Not just plain evil, I am talking bible evil. Some lefties wander in, surprisingly two are regulars there who have not been blammed (they must need the couple of token lefties on hand to point at) and they politely disagreed with the diarist and most of the respondents. Of course their polite disagreement didn’t go unrewarded as the others opened up on them with both barrels. Moe even wades in and tries to bait the lefties into saying something so he can blam them. What is sick is that Moe is happy with the shit his fellow wingnuts are spewing in there, no matter how offensive it gets.
Frankly, these people sound like they are ready to grab the guns and head for the bunker. The hate they spit out is visceral, you can feel the heat of it. They hate their fellow Americans enough that they want them dead and gone, that Obama and his supporters are evil incarnate and they must be destroyed since there is no reasoning with them. They are feeding on it in an endless feedback loop, they are like a mob working itself up to do violence once they reach critical mass.
How people are supposed to have a rational conversation with the mob that is forming on the right is beyond me. You can’t reason with someone who is beyond reason. McCain and Palin are just stoking the boiler, shoving in all the fuel they can, ignoring the pressure gauge that is off the scale. What they are doing is irresponsible and revolting, they are appealing to the basest instincts of the xenophobic right and it is getting out if hand (if it has not already). I think the boiler is going to blow if Obama wins, and I bet there will be violence (more than likely drunken violence) afterwards.
There is a lot of hate out there and it is getting stoked more and more as each day passes. Sooner or later, some of it is going to find an outlet. I hope I am wrong but I am afraid I am not. If it does, every single one of these haters will have a part in making it happen. From McCain and Palin on down through Rush, Hannity and to the party faithful at the bottom, every single one of them will have blood on their hands if anyone is hurt by some rabid wingnut in a righteous rage.
That is why so many Republican voices are speaking up against what McCain and Palin are doing, they see the impending train wreck and the damage it will do not only to the party but to the nation. They are the voices of reason on the right, they know when things have spun out of control and that is why they are speaking out. They do not want blood on their hands, that in the past they may have gone along with the program but this time it is just too much for them.
The Republican party is truly distilling itself down to the bitterest dregs at the bottom of the barrel. There is going to be a nasty battle on the right if Obama wins, and I hope the reasonable voices win but it don’t look good for them.
jcricket
This, btw, is why the right loves Sarah Palin.
If you think people like Savage, Hewitt, Malkin, Coulter, etc. are bad – they have nothing on Palin. She can stand there with a straight face and say that a report titled "Sarah Palin violates ethics laws and abuses her power" absolves her of all wrongdoing. That kind of bold-faced, Orwellian lying really appeals to the crowd who wants to justify their unjustifiable behavior.
The logical extension of that was Palin refusing to call abortion clinic bombers domestic terrorists when talking with Brian Williams recently.
If Palin is the nominee in 2012, I expect the base to be very excited, enthusiastic and to go down in flames even worse than this time around.
No Blood for Hubris
Alas, you may well be correct.
liberal
@Conservatively Liberal:
I agree, but I don’t recall the thugs in the Israeli right being hurt all that much (at least longer term) by Rabin’s assassination.
Chet
Strictly speaking, from a legal perspective and without ennobling this ridiculous lawsuit, who would have standing to file a lawsuit against a presidential candidate who was not constitutionally eligible for office?
I mean there’s significantly more legal ambiguity about McCain’s claim of natural-birth citizenship than there is about Obama’s, but if a regular American citizen somehow doesn’t have the legal standing to bring the suit I wonder who does.
I sort of wish the suit had been dismissed on the evidence and not on standing, as I understand it. I mean if the Republican party decides to run Arnold Schwarzenegger and completely ignore the Constitution (as they’ve been known to do), what would stand in their way? Does the FEC enforce eligibility requirements?
Matt McIrvin
For me it was that screwup in 2007 when a B-52 flew across the US accidentally equipped with nuclear bombs. Johnson claimed on TPM Cafe to have sources saying it wasn’t an accident at all, it was secret preparation for an air strike on Iran that got reframed as a mistake when the cat got out of the bag.
It was at a time when the Bush administration seemed to be doing a lot of saber-rattling at Iran, I knew Cheney’s people had been irresponsibly kicking around ideas about nuclear strikes, and the story alarmed me a little. So I brought it up here and there and was quickly convinced by people who knew something about US strategic forces that Johnson’s claims made no sense; there would have been no reason to put nuclear bombs on that flight in preparation for a strike on Iran. But Johnson kept pushing it, and was casually contemptuous of anyone who said otherwise. It really played out just like the "whitey tape" business did later, except that it played to antiwar-left fears.
Jay C
Well, considering the source (RedNeckState), I wouldn’t worry too much about that "mob" getting very large: for a site that started out aspiring to be the "Republican Daily Kos", they’ve dwindled away over the last few years to a fringe nuthouse of hate-filled ideological conformism. Mainly via their own efforts, of course, blamming away any and all "dissenters" (even the right-wing ones!) into an endless feedback-loop of vicious, self-righteous bile.
Even if the entire RS commentariat got together in one place, it would probably make the average, sparsely-attended McCain rally look like V-E Day in Times Square.
Davidj
John,
I haven’t visited your site for a couple of years. I am a bit disappointed by how far left you have drifted fellow Steelers fan. Berg is neither a part of a conservative fringe movement, nor did he present insufficient material to make a case. He is a Hillary Democrat and his case was dismissed because the judge decided that only members of Congress, or perhaps Congress as a whole, can pose questions about the qualifications, or lack thereof, of presidential candidates. I believe that the judge’s decision transcends the lawsuit itself. The validity of Berg’s claim was judged, not on the weight of his evidence or lack of it, but on the fact that Berg is a mere citizen and therefore cannot “play” in the Washington sandbox. In making this ruling, one man has decided that such questions should remain relegated to the media and Blogosphere. This effectively defines all such questions, regardless of validity, as rumor and/or innuendo. Anyone who can put aside their political bias for a moment can see that there are questions about all of Obamas’s connections to Kenya that need to be answered. (My 15-year-old son could Photoshop a better “birth certificate” than the one that is on Obama’s website.) This is not unlike Kerry’s military records in the last election. For those of us who have analytical minds, just show us the *^&* documents and we’ll be satisfied. If there is nothing to hide, then what are these guys hiding? As an Arizona constituent, I have always seen McCain as a RINO, but at least I know the man’s history. The Keating Five was beaten like a petrified pony by the left-leaning Arizona Republic. But, regarding Obama’s history; too many things are obfuscated and undisclosed. I’d like to know, for instance, how much of this Afro-centrist stuff he buys into, because, if you read up on it, some of it makes Tom Cruise look sane. I’d also like to know why he won’t release his records from Occidental or Harvard and where is the paperwork for his college loans? How can there be no record of these loans and no claim of the loans on his tax returns? You don’t just “forget” about such things. I can see how a 19-year-old might buy into this nonsense, but not anyone who’s ever earned an income and filed taxes. When we vote, it is always either for someone, or against someone else. I will vote against Obama this election, but certainly not because of what I know about him, it will be because we’ve just gone through over a year of vetting and still know absolutely nothing about him. The media has failed the American people as has the court system (yet again). And, the bloggers that have bought into the man-child without a hard vetting have become complicit with the MSM. A few years ago I believed guys like you, John, would displace the MSM, now you’ve become just like them…irresponsibly self serving. The whole Web has become Wikipedia. I do search after search on Obama, and all I do is add to my extensive list of unanswered questions. I’ve got pages of them. So in my search for truth; here are the only truths that I can derive for certain. 1) There is a concerted effort to obscure Obama’s past. 2) This is certainly because the information therein is damaging to his chances of election. 3) Since politicians will say anything to get elected, the only gauge of future performance is based on their history – and Obama has none. Vote against McCain, fine; but how can anyone vote for a man with no history?
Dave
daniel rotter
"…there are questions about all of Obama’s connections to Kenya that need to be answered".
And they are……?
"…how can anyone vote for a man with no history"?
Obama has "no history"?! Good grief, AOSS (Anti-Obama Derangement Syndrome) claims another victim.
gwangung
Nah, just your typical lack of basic research skills, fomented by Republican education policy.
Ed Marshall
Hey, David?
Spend the next four years jerking off about how Obama really isn’t president if you can just figure out the flaw in the kerning on Obama’s birth certificate.
It’s harmless anyway.
daniel rotter
"…lack of basic research skills…"
Or idiotic contradictory arguments. Earlier in his post, David writes the words "regarding Obama’s history," but later whines that Obama has "no history". Pretty impressive of Obama for him to have a "history" and yet have "no history".
Davidj
You see, all I do is ask questions and you guys whip out the hatchets. That’s the problem with liberals – in the words of Obama, "Shout them down." You are all so clever; you attack the questions while offering no substantive answers. By the way Daniel, your snarky rebuttal is reminiscent of a PeeWee Herman line. You should be proud of that wit…hope it didn’t take you too long to deconstruct the paragraph I wrote. I can assure you that I’m very capable of doing research. Where would you have me look for "informed answers"? Perhaps the KOS? Relative to Kenya, in addition to the birth related questions (as why Obama’s grandmother and other relatives claim they were present in the delivery room during his birth) I’d like to know about the politicking he’s been doing over there. So here’s for starters: Does he believe it’s appropriate for a US Senator to involve himself in the election process of another country? Why did he, in August of 2006, speak in support of Raila Odinga and his thug Muslim “Orange Democratic Party” while visiting Kenya as a seated US Senator? Is he not aware of Odinga’s anti-western stance? Why would he support a pro-Muslim candidate in a country that has only a 10% Muslim population? Does he have any idea why Kibaki’s people refer to him as a stooge of Odinga? When Obama was speaking for Odinga, was he aware that Odinga promised the National Muslim Leaders Forum that he would establish Sharia courts, Muslim dress codes and ban Christian preaching if elected? Is he aware of it now? And, moreover, why was he involving himself with the goings on of a third world country during a period when he was doing such a poor job as an elected official (how many bills, how many "present votes")? And, I’d also like to know if his concern for the goings on in Kenya has any connection to his association with the Afro-centrist movement, or is it just family? If you can find where these answers exist, please inform…I’ll check in tomorrow. Hopefully, you’ll have time tonight to set your Manifestos aside and see if you can come up with anything of substance. However, I suspect that it’ll just be more mindless snarking.
Dave
daniel rotter
"Daniel, your snarky rebuttal…"
You deserved the rebuttal I gave. At one point in your post, you mentioned Obama’s "history," and then later, you complained that Obama had "no history". A nine-year old would recognize the contradiction there.
Also, why is it wrong to support "a pro-Muslim candidate in a country that has only a 10% Muslim population"? Did you feel the same way in 2000 about people supporting the "pro-Jewish" Joe Lieberman running for vice president in a country where only 2 to 3 percent of the population shares that religion with him?
Comrade Jake
This is the essence of all things wingnut. If we really sent men to the moon, why are there still so many
batshit fucking crazyunanswered questions????gwangung
Because we’re mean sadistic SOBs who LOVE having a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Please. Continue. We’re keeping the hatchets sharp.
daniel rotter
Another idiocy from Davidj: "…you attack the questions while offering no substantive answers".
So all questions, by the very nature that they are questions, deserve/have "substantive answers"? Let’s see how this could play out:
Davidj: Is the moon made of cheese?
Someone else: What a stupid question! Asking such a question makes you a moron!
Davidj: Why are you attacking the question? Why can’t you provide a substantive answer?
Wolfdaughter
I also have to question Dave’s assertion that the Arizona Republic was left leaning at the time of the Keating 5 scandal.
Re the birth certificate. I applied for Social Security in February of this year, when I turned 62. One of the requirements is a birth certificate or proof of naturalization for those citizens not born in the U.S. I have a birth certificate, duly notarized, from Kentucky, which I requested not long before applying for SS. It doesn’t look like the original at all, but was still perfectly acceptable to the SSA as proof of my birth in the U.S. I have no doubt it would be perfectly acceptable should I apply for a passport.
The point is, it looks virtually identical to the one on Obama’s website, in terms of typeface, being black print on white, unlike my original which is handwritten white on black. The birth cert on Obama’s site is the kind of thing you get when you apply for a copy from your country of birth. It’s not a fake.
lou
Daniel,
When did you stop beating your wife?
See? It’s an easy game to play!
John PM
I know that I am late to the party, but you just made me a lot stupider by linking to that America’s Right website.
Davidj
Daniel,
For fear of allowing myself to be pulled down to your level of “nitwit-iscism” and beaten with experience, I’ve just got to say, “I know you are, but what am I?” There; if you are a prime example of the left-leaning intellectuals that visit here, than I certainly will be missing nothing by not coming back. I will do you the courtesy of answering your imbecilic questions (assertions), because you obviously are not capable of providing a salient answer to any of mine. First off, the “history – no history” comment is only a contradiction if you’d rather dwell on the banality of semantics rather than attempt to account for his doings at Occidental, Columbia and Harvard. What do we know about that time except that he was an editor for the Harvard Law Review who didn’t write (except one article) because his job was to check other people’s work? It’s been reported that he roomed only with foreign Muslims during his time at Occidental and Columbia. Why doesn’t he have those schools release his records? Did he have bad grades, did he not qualify to be there or was he “hanging and doing” things with folks he doesn’t want us to know about. What about this community organizing stuff he was doing? He denies every accusation, but offers no other accounting for his time. What did he learn in that Hadith school in Indonesia? What was the curriculum? McCain’s made his medical records public, why not Barack? Now, your question about the moon made of cheese only goes to prove that you are not just a fledgling, but a complete idiot. I did not ask any questions about cheese or the moon. You only reinforce the statement that I made that you attack the question (and the questioner) rather than admit (in your words) that you “lack of basic research skills” to address the rational questions I posed. Then you answer a question with a question by posing a parallel between a pro-Sharia Odinga and pro-choice Leiberman while accusing me of a lack of understanding? I don’t recall any liberal Jews running through New York hacking up 600 Christians with machetes. Surely, you cannot see these two men as analogous. Daniel, since you are an imbecile, I will continue by carrying on a civil exchange with Wolfdaughter. Wolf-d, when I say that the Republic was left-leaning, you may recall that those were the days that Deconcini manipulated the city and the Republic through the Phoenix 40 and his pal Pat Murphy (Wasn’t he the one that retired in disgrace?). I have a birth certificate from 1957 and my wife from 1959. Both of them are photocopies of our originals (we got from Pennsylvania and Minnesota a few years ago) and are really crappy quality when compared to the image on Obama’s website. The “certificate” on Obama’s site isn’t even a digital picture of a certificate. It is an electronically produced image – with no signatures or a notary stamp. Now, I could understand why, even with Lifelock, he wouldn’t want to post a copy of his real birth certificate on the Web, but he hasn’t made it available for anyone to verify and he will not authorize the Public Information Office in Hawaii to release it. There have even been petitions started to get him to do so, and Berg’s lawsuit (now dismissed for lack of standing).
Dave
daniel rotter
"…I will be missing nothing by not coming back".
But golly gee, I will miss YOU so much in your absence on these boards (rolls eyes). By the way, I’m not an intellectual, so, by definition, I can’t be a "prime example" of one, so I guess that increases the chances (unfortunately) that you will be "coming back".
"First off., the ‘history-no history’ is only a contradiction…"
Scrap the word "only" from that sentence, put a period after the word "contradiction" and-wallah!-we have an agreement. Either Obama has a "history" or he has "no history". It’s one or the other.
"I did not ask any questions about cheese or the moon".
And I did not say that you did. Reading comprehension is your friend, not your enemy.
Moving forward: "Then you answer a question with a question by posing a parallel between a pro-Sharia Odinga"
You mentioned "pro-Muslim," not "pro-Sharia". Not all Muslims (who by definition are "pro-Muslim") practice or believe in Sharia law, no matter how much anti-Islam bigots believe or hope this to be the case. Also, you mentioned a generic "pro-Muslim candidate", not a specific person ("Odinga"). My questioning of YOUR question was in that context.