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Accountability, motherfuckers.

Let there be snark.

Fuck the extremist election deniers. What’s money for if not for keeping them out of office?

Balloon Juice has never been a refuge for the linguistically delicate.

A dilettante blog from the great progressive state of West Virginia.

The willow is too close to the house.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege.

Why did Dr. Oz lose? well, according to the exit polls, it’s because Fetterman won.

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

The words do not have to be perfect.

Whoever he was, that guy was nuts.

Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

T R E 4 5 O N

rich, arrogant assholes who equate luck with genius

When do we start airlifting the women and children out of Texas?

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

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  1. 1.

    steelhead

    Although I live in a neighboring red state close to California, I contributed to No on 8 in large part due to the interference by the Mormon and Catholic Churchs in trying to impose their institutional will on the voters in California as well as attacks on individual members of their respective faiths if they do not support Prop 8.

  2. 2.

    joe from Lowell

    Ditto, and I’m in Massachusetts.

    I read about the people who hid people in their basements and attics and barns during the Nazis’ reign of terror, and I’d like to think I would have been one of them, but I really don’t know.

    Those people risked arrest, and imprisonment, and torture, and death.

    If I don’t do anything now, with the stakes so much lower, what would that make me? So I gave a little money. Really, it was the least I could do.

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    cmohr

    The opposition to prop 8 (and the propaganda campaign against it) is being driven by the Family Law section of the California Trial Lawyer’s Association, whose members stand to make a mint off representing gay clients in nasty future divorce battles, complete with titanic disputes over property and custody (whether kids or dogs). The Mormon church is simply a convenient front for the Trial Lawyers to use to conceal their nefarious invovement.

    :=0

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    Brick Oven Bill

    I have met one gay person who was a very productive member of society. He kept his proclivities to himself and seemed to be at peace with his own mind. The others I have met seemed to have a lack of self-confidence that may or may not have resulted in their seeking a comfortable self-identity in the gay community. Most were not balanced individuals.

    The gay community blames their high suicide rates on an anti-gay bias in the larger world. While that may be in some isolated cases, I suspect that most of these deaths are the result of a self-discovery process that leads these men to uncomfortable truths. Thirty percent of self-identified homosexual teens attempt suicide (link). A gay floor-mate I knew at college was suicidal.

    Because of this, I believe that the gay lifestyle should not be recognized by the state. Youth on the self-discovery tract should instead by encouraged to pursue more traditional paths. If they can be encouraged to keep their passions within more traditional bounds, less of them will die. Homosexuals are better to keep their proclivities out of mainstream life.

    http://www.narth.com/docs/gayteens.html

  6. 6.

    Michael D.

    “Africa at the time of slavery was still primarily a jungle… Life there was savage … and those brought to America, and other countries, were in many ways better off.”

    Dr. Gerald Schoenewolf – NARTH Science Advisory Committee.

  7. 7.

    boonagain

    Are you really too stupid to see that the suicides you are discussing are caused by the way they think society (wih Bills like #8 as a Prime example)is going to react to their homosexuality, not caused by the fact of being gay?

    You are scum.

  8. 8.

    boonagain

    Sorry, usually the trolls here are too harmless and delusional to bother me, but THAT ONE crossed the line.

  9. 9.

    kommrade jakevich

    On the one hand, I don’t know why Put ’em in the Oven Bill continues to demonstrate he’s a goat-blowing bucket of puke. We already know.

    On the other hand, while he’s drooling bigoted crap into the comments here, he isn’t out stalking Somalian refugees.

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    jcricket

    If I don’t do anything now, with the stakes so much lower, what would that make me? So I gave a little money. Really, it was the least I could do.

    What Joe (not the plumber) said x100. I gave $100 (which was all I could afford after giving Darcy Burner $100, Obama $250, and some money to a couple other OrangetoBlue candidates).

    I don’t live in CA. I’m not gay. I don’t even have anyone in my immediate family who is gay. But I live in a heavily gay area in Seattle, and there are two lesbian couples on my block with kids – who obviously can’t get married (stupid WA Supreme Court). The idea that they’re relationship is less valid, less recognized than mine, simply because they are gay is unconscionable.

    When Jews marched with blacks during the civil rights era, it was something they did despite great harm potential to themselves. The idea that I would sit by and watch the same kind of treatment happen in 2008 was something I couldn’t live with.

  11. 11.

    SamFromUtah

    @kommrade jakevich: …while he’s drooling bigoted crap into the comments here, he isn’t out stalking Somalian refugees.

    And he’s inspiring people like me to get off their lazy asses and donate to No On 8, already. Ka-ching!

  12. 12.

    John T

    @Brick Oven Bill:

    The others I have met seemed to have a lack of self-confidence that may or may not have resulted in their seeking a comfortable self-identity in the gay community.

    The reason why you’ve only known damaged gay people is because any well-adjusted, self-confident gay person would avoid you like the plague. Your flippant dismissal of gay suicides demonstrates a monstrously inhumane lack of empathy that makes my blood boil. Fuck off and die, Bill.

  13. 13.

    MeDrewNotYou

    Couple things.

    First, I thought this was a really effective ad. I think all too often, people assume that all religious folk are opposed to gay marriage. With the nuttier, more intolerant groups, this is unfortunately often the case. But seeing a bunch of reverends, a Buddhist, and a rabbi is a great reminder that religion is about love, tolerance, and acceptance, not the hatred and bigotry that the Yes On 8 people spew.

    Second, I’m a poor college student far from CA, so I can’t afford to donate and I certainly can’t drive over and volunteer. What I can do, and have been doing is talking to all the CA people I know through Facebook. Yes, most of them are college students too, and most are against Prop 8, but getting them to see how big a deal this is has motivated a few to help in the fight. So my advice to my fellow impoverished youngsters is to use your social network sites to inform and motivate. Every little bit helps.

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    Jess

    That was a great ad. Very effective.

    One last shot at BOB: I disapprove of many of the marriages I see and think the men and women involved are just in it to have someone to torture and blame for their own inadequacies. Then they have kids and pass on their disfunctional BS to the next generation to continue the cycle of misery. Based on some of your earlier comments about women, I would guess that you would be one of those people whose family life I would disapprove of. So I’ve decided that you should not have the right to marry and have kids. If you’ve already done so, I’m going to donate lots of money and effort to getting a law passed that will invalidate your marriage, strip all the benefits and rights that come with marriage from you and your loser wife, and see what I can do to have your kids taken from you and placed with a family whose values I agree with.

    Perhaps you find this offensive and think it’s absurd that anyone should have the right to interfere with your private life in this way. And you’d be right. So get over the idea that you have any say in who other people choose to marry. They shouldn’t need your approval anymore that you need theirs.

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    saintlywife

    Today, my husband and I are celebrating our 11th wedding anniversary! We were married, and still live, in Louisiana. Of course, our marriage feels a little shaky this year because Teh Gays in California have been getting married. And how can we possibly be secure in our heterosexual bond knowing that people of the same gender–somewhere in the country–are marrying, and are wobbling the foundation of our legally sanctioned union?

    Actually, one of the ways we celebrated our marital bliss (aside from all the sex and cake and etc) was by donating–again–to No On Prop 8. I also got the two people I know in CA to commit to voting No. (Yeah, just two…but that’s 100% of everyone I know in the state. What’s your percentage?)

    In your *face*, pseudo-Christians!

    MeDrewNotYou, there might be more that you can do:

    (This link is actually from the first donation we sent a few weeks ago, so this may not still be an active effort, but it couldn’t hurt to check into it.)

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