Does this make any damned sense to anyone:
Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama’s associations, like those with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a candidate’s free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said.
“If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations,” Palin told host Chris Plante, “then I don’t know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media.”
Someone please get Sarah Palin a copy of the damned Constitution.
gex
I weep for my country that so many care so little and know so little that they will buy into the McPain campaign.
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
Jesus tapdancing Christ.
kid bitzer
you mean the 1st amendment was not written in order to protect the government from the press?
jetan
Wow. Well, I guess we don’t need to ask her anymore questions about Supreme Court decisions
Kerry Reid
Maybe we need to break this down for Palin in terms a third-grader would understand: Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.
chrome agnomen
has this woman not got the least sense of irony? a staggering lack of self-awareness. are there people this obtuse? this is the face of the future of the gop? if so, the left is in for a long run.
Not My Fault
This is gibberish!! she is stringing together keywords and calling them sentences.
5 days, 5 days, 5 days….
amorphous
I feel for all Sports Journalism grads of the University of Idaho whose degrees Sarah Palin is constantly devaluing.
Comrade Jake
The scary thing is just how many people believe that criticizing one’s views is the same thing as threatening their First Amendment rights. Unfortunately it’s not just wingnuts on the right you’ll see implying this, you’ll see it on the left from time to time as well.
Anyway, OT but some of you may remember Drudge getting pretty excited about a tightening in the Gallup traditional a few days ago. He even put the Gallup tracker image right at the top of the screen. Well, looky here. Heh. I’m sure Drudge will put that one up, huh?
Terri
"Someone please get Sarah palin a copy of the damned Constitution"………
…..and stick it up her ass so far that she chokes on it.
Tsulagi
Shorter Sarah: Free speech for real Americans like me, but not for thee.
tc
It’s amazing. I wasn’t aware that they were pushing this nonsense until I received an email from a family member saying things like:
"I also think that this country may not have the kind of freedom we now have with Obama as president."
"Let a rare journalist dare to ask a tough question of them and they black ball them."
"Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid both want the "Fairness Doctrine" enacted. I don’t know how Obama stands on it but the way the Obama campaign has reacted to things recently, I can see that and more happening."
That family member asked me not to bother calling or returning the email because I am "BRAINWASHED."
TenguPhule
Well that settles it.
They were using 1984 as a blueprint for their campaign.
cleek
wow. like, yipes. also.
it’s like a big tangled knot of Wrong. even if you could untwist it, it’d still be wrong.
i will not be giving her the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Mike
We need a law to make sure that the media treat politicians like Sarah Palin even-handedly: you know, for each story that demonstrates that says she’s an ignorant lying moron, one that says "I love it when she winks at me". I know! We can call it the Fairness Doctrine.
Jeff
@amorphous: FTW
I’m thinking of voting Republican in 2012 primaries, just so I could see a debate between Palin and Obama.
Comrade Stuck
Of course it does. The fact you even ask the question, means your assimilation is nearing completion. It is quintessential wingnut logic and tactic, presented in reverse double-entendre Loopety-loops. Or as Abbott and Costello might say, who the fuck’s on first. And the answer would be, Oh it’s just the liebrel Obama Marxist press.
Robin G.
I… wait, what?
She… hasn’t read the Bill of Rights. Not "interprets it her own way", not "yes, but in times of crisis", not "I’ve looked it over but probably couldn’t name them all in order." She… hasn’t read it. Period. She can’t have read it and have said something this stupid.
I thought I was out of speechless moments in this election, but I was wrong.
Also, @Jeff — Don’t even joke about that. It’s not worth the risk.
Lou
Wow. Wow! Yes, Palin is now a strict constructionist rendering special and exclusive constitutional rights for herself from her reading of what the writers would have written had they only known that Palin would be chosen for VP by some lame brain presidential candidate in 2008.
More Banana Juice please.
Fwiffo
Has Sarah Palin ever said anything that ever made any damned sense to anyone?</question type="rhetorical">
jrg
Palin is an ignorant, lying bitch.
Dennis - SGMM
Palin reminds me of those guys who hit you over the back of the head with a beer bottle and then start whining about a "fair fight" when you commence to kick the shit out of them.
The Grand Panjandrum
@jrg: Whoa. That’s uncalled for. Save that kind of language for a different blog.
C’mon, give her a break, it probably got lost under that stack of newspapers she read regularly.
YellowJournalism
I actually have a communication degree from the U of I’s neighboring university. I can tell you from experience that many communication and journalism majors, instructors, and profs from the U of I are probably pissed that this woman is giving their school a bad name. Some of them are probably a better choice to be VP, too.
The fact that she hides behind the First Amendment probably outrages me the most. The First Amendment gives you the right to voice your opinion with some provisions for public safety, etc. It does not give you the right to slander or libel another person. It does not protect your opinions and ideas from criticism from other sources, including the media and your opponents. Get a clue, lady.
Andrew
Fwiffo,
I have reliable sources that Sarah Palin has a collection of Evil Ones hidden in Alaska under suspended animation, and if you don’t stop talking bad about her will unleash them on you! :)
Dork
Shorter Sarah: Dont listen to what I say, just look at who I am….no, not at my face….a little further down…..a little past the neck…..OK!
Rick Taylor
Viscous gotcha attack journalism: Katie Couric asking Palin what books and magazines she reads.
The media doing it’s job: Barbara West asking Biden how Obama isn’t a Marxist.
Any questions?
yet another jeff
Simple grammatical error perpetrated by the MSM…the original document, upon close examination, clearly shows that "from" was overwritten by the liberal pamphleteers and replace by "of".
The correct reading is "freedom FROM the press."
ksmiami
Can someone please get Sarah a subscription to "Skeptical Society" and a Greyhound bus ticket back to Alaska – please… I. Can’t. Take. Any. More. Of. This…
Dennis - SGMM
Some of
themtheir pets are probably a better choice to be VP, too.Fixed.
r€nato
What a terrible thing that the media reports on the things Palin says and does. Surely this is not what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote that business about ‘freedom of the press’ into the Constitution.
Ugh
I’m just going to take it one game at a time, give 110%, and really just happy to be here.
Comrade Jake
@tc:
Jesus. I’m at a loss for words on that one. There’s so many things wrong with that, I don’t know where to start.
J.
So she can burn it?
Who’s Palin going as for Halloween, Dick Cheney?
[We thought about dressing the kid up as some politico but she said she wanted to be a mad scientist, as opposed to a mad pundit. Unfortunately, she wound up looking like a cross between Don King and Groucho Marx, which, come to think of it, could describe a lot of folks in this election cycle.]
chrome agnomen
in response to [email protected]
the joe the plumber/biden debate ought to make good theatre also.
gbear
The fact is that christianists are ALWAYS right, and when you have Jesus on your side, the constitution is always on your side too. No matter what the issue, this applies.
SATSQ
Fwiffo
Sarah Palin is so ridiculous that even a Spathi is unafraid.
r€nato
well not to be nitpicky or anything (which means I’m going to be), but it does give you the right to slander or libel someone. And you can get sued for it. However, the government itself cannot do anything about it. There is no criminal penalty for slander or libel; however there is civil recourse for someone who believes they have been libeled or slandered.
If Palin truly believes she has been treated thusly, I strongly encourage her to pursue litigation. That should be good for many more months of laughs at her expense.
This is very, very true. The cult of conservative victimhood strikes again.
Cluefulness is not highly valued in the pro-America states.
South of I-10
My 4 year old has a better grasp of the constitution from watching cartoons on PBS.
Since I have seen a lot polls in varying threads today, here is one from WWL. Statistical dead heat in Louisiana?
Ugh
Hah! Imagine who Palin would pick as Veep. "What doya’meen I can’t chuse Tahd??"
Martin
True. Jesus is the only strict constructionist. The only people qualified to interpret the Constitution are those to whom Jesus speaks.
ksmiami
One more thing – today for some reason – maybe it is that McCain just looks really unhealthy, I was thinking that He is 72 fucking years old and he nominated this witch – this no-nothing, anti-science, anti-progress vicious Diva to be a heartbeat or cancer episode away from being the leader of the free world. I mean what the fuck is wrong with the people who think this is okay???? They should have a clause that disqualifies people if they play games like this. I want them so badly defeated that we never have to hear from them again, that kids will all point and laugh as they walk down the street and that McCain runs away to Sedona permanently.
Comrade Jake
Anyone recall Bill Kristol saying last week that Palin should go on ALL the Sunday morning shows this weekend?
Please, please, please Team McCain. I beg of you. RELEASE THE PALIN!
Diane
I hope the Republican party turns on her after her utter stupidity is a big factor in their election loss. I can’t stand turning on the TV and seeing this woman utter even one more word. As Margaret Carlson of Bloomberg News put it when asked about Palin’s prospects for 2012, Palin would be qualified to be a gameshow host. I think Alaska will turn on her, too, when she returns (they already are) and I’d be surprised if she’s even re-elected Governor there. One could only hope they’d throw her out of office for all the abuses of power there.
r€nato
Indeed, the USA is DOOOOOOOOOOMED if politicians cannot make scurrilous charges against their opponents without the media investigating whether their claims are true.
Kevin K.
I think she’s waiting to buy the Constitution at the "Out of the Closet" consignment shop in Anchorage.
r€nato
…be prepared to hear more of this crap after McCain goes down in defeat. Rethuglicans are so accustomed to the media being stenographers that they cannot imagine things being any other way.
demimondian
Somebody help me here. This…person. Palin.
Is she actually my conspecific?
amorphous
John, can we get an "Oh, Sarah! [Wah wah wah waaaaaah sad trombone]" tag?
Comrade Stuck
@Kevin K.:
I believe that’s where Ted Stephens picked up his copy. Maybe he can lend it to Sarah when he goes to prison.
Comrade Darkness
I think we need an award for statements that are wrong on n simultaneous levels where n->the number of words in the statement. She has no equal at this at the national level.
Um, they used it as a blueprint for governing as well, so why stop now? "War is Peace" is a fair distillation of the sales pitch for Iraq if you’ll recall.
Zifnab
@r€nato: Between the cries of "voter fraud" and the circular firing squad designed to kill the traitors in the party and the dogged insistence that Barack only won because he was black, I don’t know if they’ll have time to fit in a sudden staunch defense of the First Amendment. It’s pretty low on their list of things the MSM has done wrong when they were all supposed to be working together to get John McCain elected.
suze
Wow! I cannot believe the Liberal Dem blueprint! Ignore the message, attack the messenger … yeah.. yeah… that’s the ticket!!
If you read the quote in context she is referring back to the JoeThePlumber situation, whereby a private citizen asked a question which revealed the truth (by accident) of Barack Obama and for which Joe was heavily penalized. Pointing out an association with terrorists is not "negative campaigning"; it’s actually journalism. Her point was that her campaign rhetoric cannot be construed as slanderous or libelous, just because it makes the Obamunist mad to hear it. But keep attacking her… goes right back to the question: why so much effrot to distract from the real issue here? Hmmmmmm…
dr. bloor
Don’t blame her for her ignorance. She was told by her retread Bush handlers that the Constitution was an outdated document that she wouldn’t have to know anything about.
Snail
As much as we are understandably focused on the election, it is important to remember that Bush still has a couple months in office to work his mischief.
jaime
Get ready for the October Surprise:
The Other Steve
The Franken/Coleman race in Minnesota just took a new twist.
Coleman’s buddy is being sued, accused of giving Coleman bribe money
Here’s the actual lawsuit
This is the jist of it…
– Norm Coleman is friends with Nasser Kazeminy.
– Nasser Kazeminy gave Laurie Coleman a job at an Insurance Brokerage in Minnesota.
– Nasser Kazeminy was previously accused of buying clothes for Norm Coleman, a charge Norm never really denied.
– Nasser Kazeminy owns interest in a marine services company in Texas, Deep Marine Technologies.
– The CEO/founder of DMT is accusing Kazeminy of funneling money from his company into the Insurance Brokerage to pay Laurie Coleman’s salary, and filing false records claiming it was for insurance work.
– The Insurance Brokerage is not licensed to operate in Texas, and no work was ever performed.
It looks like the CEO was finally ousted a few months ago from his own company, and this lawsuit is payback. The funneling of money into the insurance brokerage is just part of the funneling that was going on.
The Other Steve
doh, I wanted bullets or something. Whatever
steve
palins questions of obamas associations with those individuals are NOT negative attacks…they are fair game and part of obamas record…..and he comments on the media are dead on….
raincntry
If she’d even glanced at the Constitution she would have noticed that the First Amendment starts with the text "Congress shall make no law…".
It’s laughable at this point. She is so clearly unqualified to be on the ticket. She’s had so much time to get up to speed on issues yet has not. I’m not even asking that she know the intricacies of Middle East politics (although that would be nice) but how about the American Government? She doesn’t know what the Office of the Vice President does, she does not know a damn thing about the Bill of Rights, and she’s been the Republican nominee for 6 weeks.
READ THE DAMN CONSTITUTION!
John Cole
There is so much concentrated stupid in this quote I am not even going to bother trying to refute it, and instead will attack the messenger. You are an idiot.
Someone else deal with this mess, please.
steve
yeah she doesnt make sense and biden doesnt know how many letters are in the word jobs…..
Nylund
For some reason, one gets the feeling that THIS is what the 1st amendment reads.
"The Press shall write no stories disrespecting an established religion, or prohibit that religion from imposing its views on the public; or abridge the government; or the right of the government to arrest people peaceably assembling, or to petition the Church for a redress of grievances."
It seems like she thinks its written to protect the government from the press, not the other way around.
Comrade Stuck
And we must know if Obama was THE ONE of those 99. Yea, Yea, Yea, He was only 13, but a very mature 13. Kids grow up fast in Muslim MaddrassasXXX. And besides, since we don’t have the ORIGINAL ObamaX birth certificate, you know, the one stamped by GOD, he could have been 15, 16X or 32. And we have it on good authority from a trusted source at Worldnutdaily, that Sirhan Sirhan may have attended one of young Obama’s birthday parties. And that he may have come in costume as the guy with the GUN GUN GUNX. We will keep you informed, as Drudge unfolds this storyX.
Tanner Lovelace
So, um…. criticizing Palin for going negative is abridging her 1st amendment right of free speech?
But, if I remember correctly, the 1st amendment also guarantees freedom of association, so her criticizing Obama for his associations (however tenuous they are) should then also be abridging his 1st amendment right of association, right? :-)
(Unfortunately, I can’t claim this is an original thought as I read it first on Glenn Greenwald’s blog.)
r€nato
gee Sarah maybe you should call the ACLU. After all they sure helped your pal Rush Limbaugh.
amorphous
@steve: Not. Mutually. Exclusive.
Genine
Unfortunately, I hear this type of argument a lot from some right-wing Christian friends of mine.
I explain to them all the time, they have the right to say whatever they want and I have the right to call them a stupid idiot.
But then the speaking rights switch if we’re talking about religion. I can’t say whatever *I* want.
Go figure
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
This should be a warning to all of us – Gov. Palin has given us a glimpse of the GOP’s final GOTV strategy to steal the election. In the last 48 hours they will go on TV and say all sort of things which are so ignorant, contradictory and idiotic that the brains of Democratic voters will be utterly stunned from trying to absorb and make some kind of sense out of the gibberish, leaving them physically paralyzed and unable to make it to the polls on Nov 4th.
Republican voters have a built in immunity and will be unaffected, so they will overwhelm our numbers on election day and sweep McCain to victory. There will be scenes like something out of the Monty Python skit about the World’s Deadliest Joke
Please, for the sake of the nation, tell everyone you know who still hasn’t voted for Obama yet to turn off their TVs, or better yet to stop up their ears with wax like Odysseus’s crew as they passed the island of the sirens. It won’t be safe to listen to anything they have to say until Nov 5th at the earliest.
liberal
@r€nato:
IANAL; however, a web search makes it seem like some US states still have criminal defamation laws on their books, though it also sounds like they’re basically defunct.
See e.g. "Criminal Defamation: An ‘Instrument of Destruction’"
Comrade Dread
Constitutional illiteracy makes me a sad panda.
Constitutional illiteracy in a sitting governor who may become the Vice President and perhaps the President (God forbid), makes me a majorly pissed off, angry, bitter panda.
Seriously, I’m not all for electing only lawyers to public office, but at the very least, could we get a few candidates that have actually read the damn thing and show basic comprehension as to what it means?
Don’t care if you’re original intent, strict constructionist, living document, just please at least throw me a bone that you understand the basics of the document you might be required to swear to defend and uphold.
If America elects this hollow smile, they deserve whatever crap she helps steer the country into.
Comrade Stuck
My BodyCondum is at the cleaners, or I would.
liberal
@suze:
If you read the Constitution, you’d understand commenter raincntry‘s point about the First Amendment.
But I doubt you’ve read the Constitution, or have the intellectual wherewithal to understand it.
Zifnab
@Genine:
And don’t even fucking try to do anything to a communion waffer or you’re violating my rights to Freedom of Religion.
Damn you media! Why are you always doing things that I don’t approve of and thus violating my Constitutional Rights?! What cruel liberal fascist world do we live in where I can’t accuse a man of being a secret Muslim Terrorist without being refuted, insulted, or ignored?!
Jorge
Sarah Palin is so annoying I don’t think of having sex with her every time I see her now.
ET
Constitution? I don’t need no stinkin’ Constitution!
John sorry, I am not touching the suze the troll comments. While I don’t consider myself a genius, I don’t think I can be dumb enough, long enough to pick apart that drivel. And anyway her using Obamunist just means she must be in about 4th grade and frankly, I don’t argue with children – there is no point.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
‘Pay no attention to that negative campaigning I’m doing, it’s not what you think, it’s free speech’.
Ummm, this is a presidential election, everything a candidate says is going to be picked over with a fine tooth comb, and if it isn’t, it should be. When she tells lies, it should be made common knowledge, not hidden behind some free speech sign.
That witch is giving me a headache.
steve
everybody has a different interpretation of the contitution….
Tom65
It’s not that she doesn’t understand the Constitution, she just doesn’t give a shit. Her right to claim victimhood in any given circumstance clearly overrides any other considerations.
This trait practically defines the modern GOP.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
The hoo-has weren’t enough to sustain you when her mouth was engaged?
r€nato
apparently Palin thinks ‘free speech’ means, the government can’t tax it.
greynoldsct00
Oh yeah, boo-hoo, he’s really hating the public life right now. Sucking up the attention more like it.
Dave in ME
Picture what it actually would be like if you actually gave Palin a copy of the Constitution.
You: Governor Palin I’d like you to read the Constitution of the country so you can better understand our rights and your responsibilities should you assume the presidency.
Palin: That’s a mighty big document you gotcha there, and I am sure it’s important, but how does it relate to Obamas blacknitude? Ya see cause that’s what me and Joe the plumber are focused on.
You: (speecless)
Chris Johnson
….wut?
Krista
Precisely. I have heard more right-whingers shrieking about freedom of speech when anybody dares to disagree with them, as they are conveniently ignoring the fact that freedom of speech also allows people to…you know…respond to the bullshit they’re spewing.
And I fail to see how not-Joe the not-plumber is being heavily penalized. He’s stumping for McCain/Palin, is he not? He’s probably making a rather pretty penny as well.
You’d think that the right-whingers, who are so determined to Spread Democracy(tm), would be a little more educated about what NOT having freedom of speech actually looks like. Hint: it usually involves you and/or family members disappearing for a very long time, as opposed to just having the mean ol’ media actually check to see if the shit you say is true.
AnotherBruce
Someone else deal with this mess, please.
I think the only way to deal with this multi-layered piece of idiocy is to treat it as poetry.
Call it "The Burning Stupid."
steve
i like sarah palin
cleek
there’s no need to attack her, because she’s the perfect opponent: self-defeating. every time she opens her mouth she gives the listener a new reason to vote for Obama.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Rights? There is only ONE right, the Right to Life, and GOD gave her that, so you shall never take it away.
/wingnut
Can anyone be truly this idiotic?
MAX HATS
the entire Palin campaign, condensed:
"I’m just a girl. Tee-hee!" [wink]
-"She’s not very bright, is she?"
"OMG SEXISM!!"
steve
there is alot of unnecassary anger among the folks blogging here….too bad
Svlad Jelly
She wouldn’t understand it — too many big words she doesn’t know the meaning of, like "Vice President."
Cyrus
@suze:
I’ll take a stab at it, John, because I find stuff like this fun… reading the quote at the link in context, she doesn’t mention Mr. Wurzelbacher at all. Maybe she does in the actual radio interview, but I can’t listen to that here at work, and anyway you said "read" yourself.
And whether or not Palin was talking about Wurzelbacher, she apparently is just as ignorant as you about what the First Amendment says and means. It imposes few or no limitations on the rights of individuals, instead relating entirely to restrictions on government. Her being asked unfair questions (which she wasn’t, unless you think "Which newspapers do you read?" is unfair) or being criticized or even mocked by private citizens has nothing to do with the First Amendment at all, unless the government steps in to stop them.
Like another wingnut, the self-described Lone Wac/ko, you left out spaces between words for no apparent reason other than a sticky spacebar key, resulting in neologisms like "JoeThePlumber." You also misspelled "effort."
Kali's Little Sister
@Jorge:
Well, forget 2012 talk then–her career is over. That was the only "it" she had going for her.
steve
i need a break….i am leaving work, heading to the woods and my tree stand to bow hunt….
DonnaInMichigan
The lyin, the witch and the wardrobe, needs to go back to Alaska on the 5th of November. Period.
Joshau Norton
With years of time and OTJ training she could possibly go from being completely unqualified to a semi-functioning moron.
She seems to think that there’s some sort of autocratic divine right associated with the VP office and her words automatically define the law as she speaks them.
Better clowns, please.
Krista
I’m surprised you’re not angry. I would be, were this ignoramus the best my party could come up with. It’s sad how the right-wing has become so anti-intellectual that they’re shooting themselves in the collective foot by distancing themselves from anybody who is even garden-variety smart.
Instead, they embrace this ersatz folksiness, not wanting their leaders to be superior to them in any fashion whatsoever.
It’s bizarre — shouldn’t you want the person running the entire freaking country to be smarter than the average bearmoose?
protected static
@steve:
Tell ya what – I’ll let Palin find differing interpretations in the Bill of Rights when she says I can do the same thing with the fucking Bible. Until then, go pound sand.
Krista
Win.
jake 4 that 1
Well, I could have been an actor, but I wound up here;
I just have to look good, I don’t have to be clear.
Come and whisper in my ear.
Give us dirty laundry.
El Cid
Well, this is what you get when you make the Constitution a secret document which only FreeMasons get to read every 4 years at a hidden location.
comrade scott's agenda of rage
No.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
This is what happens when you let a big fish in one of the most insulated small ponds in the country out of the bubble.
My wife has a Brigadoon analogy about this somewhere.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
2 Points!
Amit Joshi
John begs the question: but even if she read it, would she understand it?
binzinerator
Jesus fucking godchrist on a cracker. These mean petty people suck some serious stoopid. And they sure wallow in their victimhood complex, don’t they? Incredible. They think they are the victims when they are caught victimizing someone else. Just fucking amazing.
I understood the limitations of free speech meant you couldn’t yell ‘Fire!’ in a crowded theater. Apparently the 1st Amendment also does not extend to those reporters reporting anything critical about these people.
Does this stupid fuck Palin understand she is basically insisting that a free press is unconstitutional? It worries me greatly that she or someone else who is whispering this bullshit in her ear does.
Stupid fucking republicans. Either they are pig-fucking ignorant of the founding principles this county — the very reasons it exists — or else they really do hate America.
And I see there is no reason they can’t be both.
yet another jeff
@Kali’s Little Sister:
Besides, 4 more years of that kind of meanness inside a person doesn’t exactly cause you to age well…remember what happened when they took the picture of Dorian Gray out of that attic?
Kali's Little Sister
@Joshau Norton:
Or as dedicated McCain supporter Lawrence Eagleburger says, she could be "adequate" with time and training.
Even his pronouncement of "adequate" sounded like he was squeezing out a painfully exaggerated compliment.
jake 4 that 1
@Amit Joshi: Asking her if she understands it would constitute Gotcha Journalism.
amorphous
@steve: This is not anger. It is exasperation.
TCG
See needs to propose a speech code so that everyone around her knows what to say and what is prohibited
boonagain
Post #99 is Best of Day.
Too funny!
The lyin, the witch and the wardrobe, indeed.
Joshau Norton
Using the same "logic", she has no right to attack Obama’s freedom of association that’s guaranteed by the same miscomprehended Constitution.
HyperIon
good job, everyone!
nobody responded to the idiot who has just headed off to meditate on killing animals with a sharp stick.
just shun them and they WILL go away.
MikeL
I know Sarah Palin is new to this whole national politics thing, but if she doesn’t know better than this by now, I don’t think she ever will. Only a hardcore wingnut won’t write her off after this.
steve
it is clear obama has associated himself with radical anti-american figures…hes free to do so….we will find out on tuesday if that matters to anybody
MikeL
#99 FTW
steve
i am not an idiot..likely much much more educated that you…and i do like to hunt!
greynoldsct00
Elitist
I'mRubberYou'reGlue
If she opens her mouth, we can assume by now that she is talking about something she knows nothing about.
For example, "socialism."
Wiki. As opposed to "progressive taxation," which is what she is actually talking about:
WRT taxation, Teddy Roosevelt was a fan:
The first POTUS to advocate for progressive taxation was Theodore Roosevelt.
Is he therefore a socialist like Obama is, according to his increasingly desperate attackers?
Kali's Little Sister
@yet another jeff:
True. We can expect the ever-increasing plastic-to-organic ratio common to most grasping, untalented actresses if Palin remains in the public eye.
Comrade Stuck
@steve:
You won’t have any luck. Bambi is casting her early vote for Obama, and the tree has been redistributed to the Collective.
steve
thats elitist deer killer to you grey
Alex
She doesn’t need a copy of the Constitution, she needs a fucking brain.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
You’re forgetting to invoke the only rule that matters to these folks: IOKIYAR
Ron
Every time I think Palin has reached maximum stupid, she manages to come up with more. It boggles my mind that she is popular even in Alaska. And she has people who LOVE her. I…don’t….get it. I just don’t. It has nothing to do with political views here (okay, her politics are scary too), but oh my god, the stuff she says. Oooh, I just realized what I would to see. Sarah Palin as a contestant on "Are You Smarter than a 5th grader?"
MikeL
#119
“If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations,” Palin told host Chris Plante, “then I don’t know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media.”
Speaking of anti-American….
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Yawn!
You’re clearly not very good at this.
I'mRubberYou'reGlue
Negotiating this site in IE is one of the most, if not THE most, unpleasant experiences to be had on the web. Every single load or refresh of a thread kicks off a series of 15-30 second delays and jerks during which the thread cannot be navigated.
Posts disappear into an error message, and may or may not ever actually appear. If a frustrated poster tries to repost (or has the good sense to save himself a copy of the damn post before submitting, knowing that he may never see it again, so that he CAN repost it) he may find himself lambasted later for HA HA HA POSTING THE SAME STUFF MORE THAN ONCE AND GETTING CAUGHT IN THE SPAM FILTER. Now, that is some user friendly shit.
I can’t count how many posts have just disappeared into a black hole. But one doesn’t know because one may post, get an error message, and then come back 15 minutes later and there is the post. So … do we wait 15 minutes before trying again? I think you get my meaning …. the thing just doesn’t work.
It’s a lot of fun constructing a post, going out and getting the quotes and references, and putting it all together and then watching it disappear from earth once one hits the submit button. Really, it’s tremendously satisfying. It’s like trying to pick up mercury with a pair of tweezers, only more so.
BTW, I have actually picked up mercury with tweezers, so I know what I am talking about. Unlike Sarah Palin.
cleek
@I’mRubberYou’reGlue: works fine in FireFox.
but it sounds like your issues are more to do with the back end than the client side… FF obviously won’t help there.
steve
it is likely bambi has cast her vote for obama…deer typify the typical obama voter…weak creatures of mindless habit filled with anger fueled by the fact that their only chance to get laid is a 3 week period in november and early december
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Ron, governors can be elected without having to pull out the "I’m a Dominionist" card. That’s a major difference between governorships and the presidency/VP. The only way for Sarah Palin to have made any strides in this presidential election were to go full whackjob (that was her job). Governors run on state issues, not religious ideology.
I’m thinking Alaskans are sitting dumbfounded right now and wondering when their governor turned into this crazed lunatic.
MikeL
#131
Firefox FTW
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Why aren’t you using Opera? I thought you were so impressed with it, no?
Firefox hasn’t been bad. I had a bit of trouble with slow loading last night, but I think that was blamed on a Kos link.
Punchy
What ever happened to our damn War Czar? Does he automatically retire when we pull outtie Afghany and Iraq? If not, why not?
Nathan R
I know the football team stinks this year, but still, go Cougs!
libarbarian
@liberal
Liberal,
1) Just because the Constitution doesn’t prohibit the crushing of dissent by a citizen mob doesn’t mean that it still doesn’t violate the "spirit" of the Constitution – It may not be "Unconstitutional" but I think it’s clear that our Founding Fathers thought a free exchange of ideas and the ability to tell the truth (as you see it) without fear to be generally good things in society and wouldn’t want them stifled by mob intimidation any more than Gov’t action.
Witch Hunts, even when legally carried out by citizens, can still have a bad effect on society and we should restrain ourselves as much as possible.
The Other Steve
Maybe there should be a "Works Best With Netscape" logo somewhere on the site?
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Tell that to Sarah Palin.
I'mRubberYou'reGlue
Sometimes in the computer hell that is my workaday world, I can’t choose those things.
Opera is by far the best choice for this site, but you know, this 2008. It’s possible to design sites that work acceptably in all the popular browsers. If anyone gave a shit, that is, which they do not. I work with web developers. Let’s just say, we don’t share the same values.
libarbarian
John,
Yeah, you’re "Peak Wingnut" theory should definitely be in the running for the Von Hoffman award.
Cue, SadlyNo!
Comrade Stuck
Typical wingnut, Why do you hate America so much Esteban? Smearing a sweet furry Icon. You should be ashamed and likely are, or you wouldn’t be here at Balloon Juice, House of MUP. Stick around please, our Pod Flower is not quite finished with you.
Your November Sex will be great. It will hurt, but a good liberal ass ream will do you good in the long run.
**And you’ll be surprised to learn that most of the Obama Bambi’s here are pretty well armed. Just in case.
amorphous
How early on Nov 5 does Hot Air hit Max Godwin?
r€nato
For what it’s worth, I use Safari regularly and most of the time, I get a notice about a slow script stalling out Safari and I have to click the "OK" button to make the notice go away, then everything is fine.
Your web goddess did some mighty fine work for the most part, John, but I question whether whatever custom script she wrote or is using – Perl, perhaps? – was written in an efficient manner. I NEVER run into that on other sites/blogs. I persist because I enjoy the blog and commenters.
Joe Max
This is something that’s become endemic in wingnut culture as they stare into the abyss: the idea that the right of "Free Speech" means the inalienable right to be taken seriously. Every day there’s another asinine pronouncement from the right-wing blogesphere ("Obama is Malcom X’s Love Child!!!") , and every day people with a brain larger than that of a one-celled animal point at them and laugh. This drives them berserk – "Why oh why won’t the media listen to us!!! BLAAARGH!!!"
The truth is, Sarah doesn’t have to worry about not being heard. The mainstream media has dutifully, even gleefully, reported every idiotic utterance that’s emanated from her moose-eating pie hole. But the Constitution does not protect right wing knuckle-draggers like Palin from being openly ridiculed.
I'mRubberYou'reGlue
Ahhhh. Reminds me, a friend emailed me last night and said, he wants to spend election night in a sensory deprivation tank, and just wake up Wednesday to find out what happened.
I said, sounds good, plus I can get a deep cleaning. We’re working on a machine that gives you the sensory deprivation and a colonic at the same time. Kind of like a Jiffy Lube for your psyche.
protected static
@libarbarian: IIRC (and I may not), haven’t there have been court decisions to this effect – that you don’t necessarily have to be a government actor in order to deprive someone of their civil rights?
Still, when someone is made a campaign prop – as JtP was – I don’t think it’s unreasonable that they are going to be subjected to as much scrutiny as, say, a campaign ad. I don’t think that crosses into witch hunt territory.
b-psycho
She probably meant it less as "media critics threaten my free speech" and more like "media critics will be silenced when I’m in charge", and just didn’t have the brain power to word it clearly.
Zifnab
Ah, I see now. The spirit of the Constitution states that when citizen A (who is running for Vice President) claims that citizen B (who is running for President) is a close personal friend of citizen C (who bombed a building when citizen B was 8 years old) then citizen journalist D needs to stay the fuck out of the way because Freedom of Speech is taking place.
Hahahaha! Boy howdy! Can’t have some crazy radical demagogues riling up a bunch of yokels into violent frenzies of hate. Calling Barack Obama a terrorist is protected Freedom of Speech. Calling the person who called Barack Obama a terrorist a liar is a "witch hunt".
I see, I see. It’s all so clear to me now.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
It all depends on how early they call Georgia… Godwin could be introduced within a few short hours. Perhaps by 1 a.m. if we’re lucky. ;)
jake 4 that 1
That’s why they spent months arguing over the wording and put it right there in the 1st Am … Oh wait, it isn’t in there at all.
So sorry. The Bill of Rights is not now, nor has it ever been, an etiquette guide.
r€nato
indeed, nobody on Earth should be using Internet Exploder (version 8 might actually, finally, be something worth using), but it’s also true that most people are, in fact, using IE either because they don’t know better, because they actually (ecch) like it, or they have no other choice because it’s not their computer they’re using.
Therefore, web designers really ought to be designing/coding for compatibility with IE5.5 and up, Safari 3, FF 3, and perhaps allowing for the few odd quirks which Opera has. That way you are covering about 98% of web browsers which are relatively modern or at least not so antiquated that you can credibly say, ‘update your friggin’ browser, moron!’ and not be a web elitist.
(I’m finally becoming almost an expert on the ins-and-outs of working around the various oddball behaviors among browsers and the ways to address them… it really is a black art and that’s not even getting into the nerdy debates, such as whether using browser-specific CSS hacks is a ‘valid’ or ‘correct’ way of achieving compatibility)
Punchy
Has anyone looked into this screed? I started reading it, then realized that Pam Chartographer goes on for almost an hour. No joke. It’s not a blog post, it’s a PhD dissertation. And, funnily, it’s all, 100% fail.
The Other Steve
I recall getting that to, and I believe it was Flash related.
So this may be something coming from Pajamas Whinery.
I’ll profile it later tonight when I get some time.
I'mRubberYou'reGlue
Did you mean Virgina, Circus dear?
George W. Bush
I’d be happy to give her the real one but I already wiped my ass with it.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Yes, isn’t it?
Comrade Stuck
LOL, You must work for Dr. Evil with a machine like that. Although, it would be perfect for Obama’s wingnut re-education camps. What do you think Comrade Steve?
David Hunt
She understands it now. She was journalism major, wasn’t she? I’m quite certain that she know exactly how backwards what she said was. She is simply dishonest and arrogant enough to openly lie about it. That’s not news. She’s been openly lying on a daily basis since she was nominated.
She’s not stupid. She didn’t achieve the governorship of a state (even one as under-populated and eccentric as Alaska) by being stupid. It’s that she either has no ethical standards at all, or that whatever standards she uses and an ethical compass have nothing whatsoever to do with what most people would call "honesty."
I realize that the maxim is "Never attribute to malice what incompetence can explain," but it simply doesn’t explain it. She’s been too successful. It’s malice.
jrg
@The Grand Panjandrum
Palin is attempting to subvert freedom of speech before she even sets foot in office. She is racist. She is uneducated. She won’t take a press conference. She could not even pass a citizenship test. Her presence on the national stage is appalling. I’m sorry that my language offends your delicate sensibilities, but I say again – she is an ignorant, lying bitch.
Dracula
Whatever, libtard. Shep Smith of Fox News (motto: we report, you deride) just said this is going to be a very, very close race. Said that if we’d counted out John and Sarah, then we’ve made a grave mistake. They could easily win this, he intoned.
I didn’t know one could go on air while high on crack.
r€nato
It is truly a mystery why blacks don’t vote for Republicans more often.
Obama is no socialist nor marxist.
But you know what? In this country, you have a right to vote for a socialist or Marxist.
jake 4 that 1
There’s a happy Halloween thought – Sarah Palin, 1 Heart Beat Away.
[3 octave shriek]
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Excuse me, TZ, but that’s an oxymoron.
I had more faith in you than that.
Joshau Norton
No, she got elected by agreeing to spread the wealth around (Marxist!). Who isn’t going to vote for someone who will send you a check for a couple thou every year to buy your vote?
Joe Max
Sorry, little Suze, but the message is being heard loud and clear.
(not)Joe the (not)Plumber asked a question of the candidate and got a fully detailed answer. No one gave a crap until McCain used him 18 times in the last debate. So blame McCain. Then (not)Joe the (not)Plumber decided to parlay his 15 minutes of fame into a punditry career. (And a recording contract, and a political run?) His choice. He could have returned to his home and continued to be a not-plumber and an unlicensed contractor and no one would have ever talked about him again. But if you go out of your way to play the pundit game, then the other pundits get to have fun with you.
His choice. McCain’s choice. Don’t you right wingers believe people have the freedom to make these decisions for themselves?
Tell you what – as soon as conservatives stop letting their mouth-breathing wingnut bloggers define their political positions, then the rest of the world might take conservatives seriously again. But if you choose to talk like the political equivalent of the Flat Earth Society, then people are going to point at you and laugh.
Go read Andrew Sullivan or Daniel Larison and get a clue. Do it for the children.
Martin
Wait until next summer’s blockbuster ‘John and Sarah Make a Porno’. She’ll win them back.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
OMG, I just rolled… for that you are excused for calling me "libtard".
Thanks, I needed that laugh!
Martin
It is. There are some particularly bad Flash ads out there. I get them every so often here and at GOS and Sully’s.
Indylib
FTW
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
No, I meant Georgia… if they call Georgia early we’re going to have an awesome night! ;)
Joshau Norton
Supposedly there’s one due out soon called "Nailin’ Palin". That should hold them over for a while.
I just hope they don’t follow it up with a sequel called "Ridin’ Biden".
robertdsc
Will Sarah ever reach peak Wingnut? She’s going full guns right now.
Jeff
@CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII: Do not count on Georgia
Indylib
@Krista:
Damn, Krista beat me to it!
Hell, so did CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII.
I'mRubberYou'reGlue
Ah, I see your meaning. I was thinking of my electoral map (which just about matches NBC’s map) which has us getting the Kerry states plus Virgina, New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado. Which puts us just about at where we want to be.
The Moar You Know
OH SHIT STEVE’S A FURRY
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
I’m not counting on it, I’m watching how long it takes to call.
Furthermore, I think if those Georgia peaches down there in Fulton county are afraid of their darker neighbors, they had better not piss off a bunch of them.
I'mRubberYou'reGlue
Ugh. I can’t resolve the concept of "sex" and Sarah Palin in the same tableau.
Brain explodes.
David Hunt
Peak Wingnut is an oxymoron. Wingnuttery is not a limited resource. It’s like kibble*. It can fought back to keep civilization from crumbling, but it can never be completely eliminated.
*cf Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
ann sand
The Constitution seems to be one of those many things she couldn’t think of that she reads – in her response to Katie Couric.
If you accept her position – I DON’T – the logical extension is that FOX News is violating Obama and other Democrats First Amendment Rights 24/7….but I guess that only applies to her self-defined "pro-Americans" – not Democrats – you know – wink anti-Americans!
The Moar You Know
@David Hunt: Yep. If there is one thing Sarah Palin is not, it is stupid. An accomplished liar? Yep. Manipulative? As all hell. Annoying? Annoying as fuck.
But she is not stupid. She is simply and utterly amoral.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Those Dominionists never do.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Please don’t do that to yourself.
Atanarjuat
How adorably misogynist.
I bet that most of you here would love to roll up the First Amendment like a newspaper and firmly whack Sarah Palin like the female dog you all think she is, right?
I know, I know… Palin should shut her whore mouth — her liberal betters are talking. And if she doesn’t shut it, you might just do it for her. Even if the results are broken teeth bouncing off the kitchen wall.
Country First.
Joshau Norton
The Vet Who Did Not Vet.
A cautionary tale.
handy
@Atanarjuat:
What goes on the minds of people like you I don’t even want to know. So folks here point out the absurdity in her "unique" interpretation of the 1st Amendment, and you liken that to physical assault? You are sick.
Calouste
@Dracula:
Wouldn’t be surprised. Cocaine certainly has happened.
Comrade Bey
@Atanarjuat:
Wow.
Here we were, suggesting she read and at least make an attempt to understand the Constitution and you extrapolated it to mean that.
Nice to know where your head is at.
MikeL
#186 You are the first person I’ve ever come across who described Sarah Palin as a "whore".
Zifnab
@Atanarjuat:
Thanks Atanarjuat, that’s exactly what we were thinking!
jake 4 that 1
@Martin:
Thanks. Really. I’m just going to carve my imagination out with a spork now.
Bastard.
CarolinCA
Atanarjuat:
You’re a stark example of someone who’s bringing unresolved and personal toxic garbage onto the internet for reasons you probably can’t even articulate.
While that’s always at least somewhat sad to witness, I could do without it.
We have an election to focus on.
Tsulagi
Then to have some easy fun, tell her it’s a super-double-secret document outlining commie terrorist Ayers’ vision of redistributing rights in America from the government to the people. And that Obama supports it.
Next rally she’d be waving it around as an example of the Ayers/Obama depravity. The crowd would go wild. You can’t fool Winky and the ‘nuts. Every real American knows a benevolent Decider and church leaders decide which rights you have.
Palin Country First. You betcha.
Joe Beese
Bad craziness. [rip Dr. G]
Comrade Stuck
OT
I’ve been bad, by sometimes trekking over to Freeperville, to see how the inmates are doing and scoping new recruits for the Funhouse. And I learned how Obama becomes our first Liberal/Marxist/Fascist President. This information was birthed by Glenn Beck in consultation with the Freeper Brain(ed) Trust.
Pristine wingnut logic.
jake 4 that 1
That’s one way to describe Palin.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
So McCain’s strategy is to get "True Americans" to sue those who are ‘Non-Americans?"
I can see how lawyers would like this, but, ummm, does he really want to win an election like that?
TheHatOnMyCat
RIP Studs Terkel.
binzinerator
@chrome agnomen
Yes and Yes.
And Lo! Behold! Within an hour after your question, suze obliges with the proof:
These are republicans, chrome, this is the face of modern conservatism. This is the GOP base. They are fucking morons. They are easy to lie to because they want to be lied to and because they lack the critical faculties to distinguish between fiction and fact. They are easy to demagoge, easy to play on their sense of inferiority, easy to stoke their pathological fear of different people and their resentment of everything that is unlike them.
They are being set up by the GOP to reject the legitimacy of an Obama presidency and of the coming democratic government.
Stupid arrogant easily manipulated fearful people who are proud of their ignorance and are always insisting they are being victimized aren’t just obtuse people. Under the right conditions and goaded by the wrong people they’re fucking dangerous.
TheHatOnMyCat
Bad spoof has consequences.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
No, our national documents are too good for that.
We simply wish she would READ them. That’s all.
George W. Bush
I’d send her the original except I already wiped my ass with it.
jenniebee
A campaign of wingnut bloggers, by wingnut bloggers, for wingnut bloggers.
DaveInLA
OK you lazy m-f’rs, I’ll take the Joe the Plumber bullshit….
So Palin is coming to the defense of poor Joe, who got beat up by the big bad media for asking Obama a question. Nice revisionist history. The media didn’t start digging into the story until the GOP candidate for PRESIDENT mentioned him 19 times on the third nationally televised debate that was watched by 60 million people. McCain MADE Joe a celebrity and the media wanted to know more about this guy.
At the time of the debate, the only thing that we "knew" about Joe was that he was a Plumber, that was looking to buy a company and was concerned that Obama’s tax plan is going to affect his bottom line. Well, that mean ol’ media looked into Joe’s story. What did they find:
1) Joe wasn’t a plumber
2) Joe wasn’t going to buy a company
3) Joe would do better under Obama’s tax plan
4) Joe was a little behind on tax payments
Wow, so in the process of pointing out facts, the First Amendment was trampled on how????
Now, McCain and co. are bring Joe out around the country to town halls to blabber his views on Foreign Policy? WTF.
Now for the irony of it all, McCain’s two biggest draws for the base of his party are CELEBRITIES. Palin and JTP are nothing more that a personas that fall apart at the slighest inspection. To top it all off JTP wants to be a Country and Western Star and Palin is looking toward Hollywood (www.variety.com or http://www.hollywoodreporter.com and search it).
So, here is a little something for those that doesn’t understand the First Amendment.
The First Amendment means that you (yeah Caribou Barbie, I’ll talking to you) have the right to say anything you want, no matter how stupid or incorherrent the words maybe. But the First Amendment means that I can say that the words that come out of your mouth are stupid and incoherrent. And if you are worried about the media being mean to poor little JTP, do you really think that you have the backbone to stand up to Putin?
Atanarjuat
CarolinCA said:
Yeah, and portraying Governor Sarah Palin as a menacing, fanged demon with blood (or some other body fluid) dripping from her chin is NOT an example of unresolved and personal toxic garbage from the oh-so-enlightened liberal stratosphere.
Seriously, Carol, how much Jonestown Juice does one need to chug-a-lug to have such a vile, degrading view of a woman whose apparently biggest sin is to aspire to higher office?
Country First.
TheHatOnMyCat
Fuck, can we PLEASE get some decent spoof in here?
This is crap.
The Moar You Know
@Atanarjuat: At least you know where a woman belongs.
Cheryl from Maryland
Give the gal a break, she’s just confusing the Bill of Rights with the Alien and Sedition Acts.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Hey Atanasshat, if you have a problem with "frighteningprospect.com" go talk to THEM about it, not us. Dipshit!
libarbarian
@Zifnab
Fail.
Could you miss the point any more?
@Static
Not everything that happened to "Joe the Plumber" is a Witch Hunt, but some of what happened was. Remember the supposed "connection" to Charles Keating that was reported as fact all over the liberal-blogosphere before it was shown to be totally false? Remember people saying he was a "wife-beater"?
Yeah, I’d say that having a shitload random people spread false, malicious, and unfounded rumors about you as a "Witch Hunt". Its one thing for a reporters to take a serious look at a person who puts himself in the spotlight but it’s quite another for random gossips to start spreading rumors without any care for fact.
We saw BOTH regarding "Joe the Plumber".
robertdsc
How about in the pursuit of said office, she stabs the man who picked her in the back? "I’m not doing this for naught", indeed.
Ambition is a wonderful thing. *rolls eyes*
The Thinking Man's Mel Torme
Bambi is a boy.
kidkawartha
Donna @99-
Total win. We need to save that as the perfect epitaph for Bible Spice’s political career.
Did anyone catch Alec Baldwin on Letterman the other night?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4ZsI-vkPn4
1:41 is the killer- it’s obvious Alec is reading Ballon Juice. :)
libarbarian
The media didn’t start digging into the story until the GOP candidate for PRESIDENT mentioned him 19 times on the third nationally televised debate that was watched by 60 million people.
It is seriously worrying that the whole fucking Progressive Netroots has totally forgotten the spate of online rumor mongering that rose up before the debate and had nothing to do with the "media".
libarbarian
It is seriously worrying that the whole fucking Progressive Netroots has conveniently forgotten the spate of unsubstantiated online rumor mongering that rose up before the debate and had nothing to do with the "media"s coverage of JTP.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Of course he does, he’s a Pauline Dominionist, else he wouldn’t be supporting Ms. Moose.
Atan-whatever: I wonder if you can tell me, since Matthias was the apostle who was chosen by lot after the death of Judas, exactly which of the twelve seats is Paul going to sit in on the Court of Jerusalem?
Zifnab
Enlighten me.
No Blood for Hubris
Palin’s not really any stupider than the current Preznit. In fact, she’s pretty much just as stupid.
So, you know, she’s well qualified to be president. She qualifies well for being another really stupid president who will ruin this country like Bush has.
Comrade Stuck
@The Thinking Man’s Mel Torme:
Bambi is a boy.
Martin
Well, she’s honest to her notion of what she has been guided to do. McCain picking her was evidence of God’s will, and God has chosen her to be VP. It is up to her to find the strength to do what must be done to fulfill God’s wishes. Sometimes doing His will requires certain personal sacrifices, but she can take comfort that Jesus died for the sins she must commit to get there.
See, all perfectly reasonable, honest, and ethical given the particular Viewmaster through which she views the world.
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
Oh, wow. Eagleburger has been spanked, scolded and sent to re-education camp since he made the mistake of calling Palin unready this morning on NPR.
(Does Eagleburger have a puppy? Has anyone seen his puppy?)
handy
Yeah but we never found out what kind of kitchen tops he has, and for that I’m kind of disappointed. I mean, that’s where all my Obama campaign money is supposed to be going, AFAIC.
You can do better next time, liberal witch hunters!
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Uh, NO… see we have this funny little thing called ELECTIONS that she has to pass through first.
DaveInLA
@libarbarian
WTF??!?? This guy was a NOTHING before the third debate. He was one of 100,000 people Obama shook hands with and answered a question.
Look, I like spreading rumors as much as anyone (PS, I read somewhere that Palin is a post-op tranny!). But to pretend that this dufus was at the ire of the liberal blogosphere prior to the debate is just insane. However, after the debate, when JTP decide to get on to the roller coaster (and it was HIS choice), then everything is fair game. Welcome to our Celebrity Culture.
protected static
@libarbarian:
Yes to the first, no to the second. I dunno. Norms are still evolving, I guess. Part of me is tempted to leave it at "It’s the Internet, Jake."
Martin
But to her, being plucked out of nowhere is almost certainly evidence that she was chosen by God. The election would merely be a test that she has worked hard enough to fulfill His wishes. Succeed there, and all will be forgiven. I don’t think she has any problem with her actions.
handy
Also, wasn’t it supposedly the RW bloggers who were talking up JTP before the third debate?
W/E, the guy stiffing McLame yesterday was totally classic, and for that alone I’ll give him a pass for all his antics.
Ok, except for the country music deal.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Well, she’ll have to wait until late November 4th for that answer… if she’s not elected than obviously God didn’t choose her. If she does win, it could be possible but is not definite.
I can tell you right now she doesn’t serve God. I can also tell you that (and this may sound misogynist, but I’m only citing scripture) God has never placed the leadership of the chosen* in the hands of a woman. For Sarah Palin to become president chosen by God would be to nullify Adam’s rib.
*I don’t believe Christians are chosen, but they say they are, so I’m stating their point of view.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
Forgiven by whom? The portions of the electorate that refuse to vote for her? No. Forgiven by God? Not exactly, she has become a symbol of all that God has stated he hates.
The only people who will forgive her are those who never blamed her in the first place, her base.
I can only think of one woman who could fall into that category, she rides the beast. If you’re voting for that beast rider, you had better re-read your texts.
CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMVIII
And let’s be honest, we’re only talking VP slot right now because McCain is top of the ticket and in poor health. What we are talking about, actually, is the expectation she’ll be president, you know it, I know it, her base knows it.
PaulB
That’s what the conservative blogosphere conveniently forget: that Joseph welcomed the attention and went for it whole hog. Note that this does not excuse any state workers that reviewed and exposed confidential data but it does render most of their protests moot.
ed
I understand that the Republican National Committee has ordered a Jean Charles de Castelbajac cross for Ms. Palin’s use. It will, of course, be donated to charity after the campaign.
PaulB
Well, then, by all means, enlighten us. Because I sure didn’t see any of that until after the debate.
PaulB
LOL…. Could you be any more of a drama queen? This is hilarious shit. I just love it when someone clutches their pearls and gets all hyperbolic.
TheHatOnMyCat
You’ll love it even more when you are not talking to a spoof, as you are now.
He’s as phony as a three dollar bill.
Fifty bucks says he’s a listmember.
Martin
In her mind, she will be forgiven by God. After all, He chose her. That’s the cycle that develops… she has to do this, she has to be successful, because God gave her this opportunity for a reason – so anything goes. Because He picked her, He will excuse the means to succeed.
Has nobody been paying attention to the religious right the last 20 years?
r€nato
let’s hope that the coming generation or two of Democratic domination does not lead to this kind of Maoist nonsense.
Eagleburger (now THERE is a name only a Republican could love), forced to engage in self-criticism of his counterrevolutionary statements in front of his cadres.
Long Live The Glorious Conservative Revolution!
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I have. I don’t want this woman anywhere near the office of the presidency, she spells disaster on a HUGE scale. I’m not talking about her lack of knowledge of the position, I’m not even talking about her lack of experience, what I’m talking about is her beliefs and ambitions.
She can believe God placed her in this position all she wants, but, I seriously doubt God would put her in that position, and if he did, it would only be to make an example of her (and his wrath would be visited upon all of us).
I am SO GLAD I wasn’t born to be Sarah Palin. I find her name Sarah to be very interesting btw. Abraham’s wife (and sister) was Sarah. This is equivalent to taking Abraham’s birthright and giving it over to his wife. It would not wash in the Old Testament and it will only be played out as farce if it is allowed to happen. God would make a huge example of her of what he hates.
I am not one who believes the Christian version of scripture. I have studied much of the Bible and being a woman, I have no problem with equality myself, but, I can tell you God did not make biblical man to be ruled by a woman. While I personally have no qualms about a female president, the scriptures DO have a problem with the leader of God’s people being a female. She is not looking at just being some spiritual president, she’s looking to impose Dominionism on us all – that is her purpose for wanting the position. She is in essence saying she’s going to be the spiritual leader of a religious America (imposing beliefs on those who refuse to be proselytized). Her plans are pure evil. I am predicting right now, if she were to make it into the presidency, you will see changes to this country (and this world) that will be sweeping and totalitarian in nature.
libarbarian
You’re wrong.
The McCain campaign was already hyping the clip on Hardball etc. – not Joe himself, but on the whole "redistribution of wealth" thing – a few days before the debate. Johns use of him during the debate was what made the media pay more attention to him as a person and started the whole "Joe the Plumber" thing, but the clip was out there before the debate.
The next day the liberal blogosphere was reporting that he was related to Keating and I saw numerous references to him as a "wife beater" as well as his tax records. Im not going to claim equivilence with the shit Malkin does but it still was lame and not dignified.
I don’t give a crap about Joe or really want to defend him. I was just saying that I thought that shit was bogus. I wasn’t complaining about the MSM coverage that began after the whole thing snowballed and he started offering Foreign Policy advice.
Carrie
Get her a copy of the Constitution? Why bother? It’s clear she either can’t or won’t read it — and if she were to read it, she couldn’t or wouldn’t understand it.
gwangung
You’d be a whole lot more credible if you could link and reference. And please be sure to differentiate from the blog owners and commenters.
Certainly the Keating speculation was there…but that’s hardly an invasion of privacy or anything untoward. And tax liens and certain divorce records ARE a matter of public record.
El Cid
You liberals are blaming Sarah Palin for something that is completely not her fault.
Look, the Constitution was written like 4,000 years ago and there is no written copy remaining. The few fragments which have been passed down via the priesthood’s oral tradition lead to disputes, and it’s not Sarah Palin’s fault that we all must do our best to interpret those tiny fragments the best way we can.
Athiest in the Pine Trees
The Lyin’, The Witch and the Wardrobe Is the creation of AKMuckraker and published in the Alaskan Blog "Mudflats" last Wednesday. It is a nice little scary bedtime story.
PaulB
I went digging for any evidence to support your assertion that all of this began prior to the debate. I was unable to find any. The first ten pages of a Google search all show dates of October 15th or 16th, mostly the latter. I read several of the biggest liberal sites daily and I don’t remember seeing any serious discussion of "Joe the Plumber" until after the debate, at which point it was, of course, all over the place, and understandably so.
If you have any evidence, I’d love to see it. Absent that, though, I’m afraid that I don’t buy it.
Peter Johnson
If you outlaw negative campaigning, only outlaws will run negative campaigns. To me, that’s a pretty strong argument against the media criticism of McCain-Palin that we’ve seen the past few weeks.
Shaggy
I think you guys are being a little unfair on Sarah Palin. After all, the motto of the McCain/Palin campaign is CantRead First.
She’s just walking the campaign line.
Common Sense
mudflats has the same theme for a top notch Narnia themed post. Phenomenal post from a must read blog since Palin got the nom. The following is their work. The block quote is disabled since it’s broken anyway.
“Sarah Palin, Queen of Narnia”.
Remember the White Witch? Well…everyone else called her the White Witch, but she called herself the Queen. Now close your eyes, and imagine… After struggling through the world of Alaska political corruption, we suddenly find ourselves out in the fresh air, standing by a lamp post, in a strange new place. We see a sleigh silently moving across the snow. Everything is glittering, and we can see our breath. It’s been snowing for a long, long time. The sleigh is pulled by six pure white caribou, (or polar bears…take your pick). There is the silver tinkling of little bells as the sleigh approaches, and we see sitting there, wrapped in the furs, and clad in something fabulous from Nieman Marcus, is the White Witch. Stunningly beautiful, icy cold, smiling.
She sizes us up. She smiles, a radiant glossy, tattooed lip-liner smile. She winks. We feel warm and reassured. She scoots over and pats the white furs on the seat, and we climb in. We’re special, she tells us. She’s here to serve us, to help us, to get ‘er done. She knows what we want. Even though she’s wearing a $3000 polar bear fur jacket and $400 designer snow boots, under all that, she’s really just like us. Are we cold?, she asks. We are offered hot cocoa. “Thank you”, we say, “That cocoa is just like a breath of fresh air!” ” The last guy that asked us into a sleigh, kind of beat us around a little bit”, we confide. “He told us we could trust him, but he was a bad bad man.”
The White Witch bites her lip a little, in sympathy, smooths our hair, and tells us the bad man is gone forever…she saw to that. He’ll never come back. She even sold his sleigh on Ebay so we wouldn’t have to think about him any more. We smile, and start to feel a little sleepy.
You seem so cold, she purrs. Is there anything I can do for you? ”How about some Turkish Delight?” we timidly suggest…hardly daring to hope. Her eyes twinkle…”I’ve got something even better.” A beautiful tin box appears out of the snow. She reaches down and gently takes up the box. She sets it in our lap, with a look that tells us it’s something special. We coax the top off the box and peer inside….It can’t be! It’s a check for $1200! “That will keep you warm this winter, won’t it?” she smiles. “Thank you!” we say. “My family of four will be so grateful!”
“Family of four? Well, gosh, why didn’t you say so?” Three more $1200 checks suddenly materialize in the box. We are speechless. We kiss her cold white manicured hand. She pats our head, and puts her hand back in the wolf fur muff. “I killed it myself,” she confesses with a smile and a coy downward glance. “Now, off you go!” We climb reluctantly out of the sleigh. ”I ask only one thing. Do you see up there between those two mountains? Right past the big strip mall? That’s where I live. The castle with the float plane out front, and the windows that look just like the ones in the sports complex next door. And there’s my church over there. And there is where I work. All I ask is that you never ever come there, do you understand? Do not ask any questions, do not use the freedom of information act, and do not question what I do in any of those places, am I making myself clear?” Suddenly, her eyes flash. We’re not sure we like it. It makes us feel a little uncomfortable.
She tucks the four checks in our breast pocket and pats them. She kisses our forehead. We feel all warm and gooey inside. “OK,” we hear ourselves saying. We won’t do any of those things….Bye!” We wave wistfully, ” Will I see you again?” She turns around and winks as the sleigh moves silently on. As we give one last look, and as the hot cocoa starts to wear off, we make out something on the back of the sleigh. It’s….it’s people, but they are all grey and frozen like stone and stacked up in a little pile like cord wood. Like someone used a magic staff of evil to rob them of life and soul… Who are they? If we didn’t know better we’d guess it was our Commissioner of Public Safety, a State Trooper, and 3 or 4 members of the Narnian Legislature! Is it? Should we tell someone? ….Nah….that’s crazy. It couldn’t be. She’s so wonderful! And besides, we need to run to the bank."
truth machine
I guess Digby is right that the Republicans have retired the concept of hypocrisy … why else would no one here have mentioned it in connection with Palin attacking the media for "attacking" her for attacking Obama? If it’s a violation of Palin’s First Amendment rights for the media to say that what she’s doing is negative campaigning (as if it weren’t so by definition), then why isn’t she violating the media’s First Amendment rights by invoking the First Amendment against them in an attempt to get them to stop speaking?
That she invoked the First Amendment against non-governmental action, showing the same sort of misunderstanding of the constitution as is common on this and other blogs when people blabber about censorship is small potatoes compared to her stark raving double standard.
truth machine
You’re full of shit.
McCain offered him up as some sort of fucking everyman policy expert and a victim of Obama’s policies, so of course there was an attempt to do the vetting that McCain didn’t do. You’re the one who is lame, with this elitist bullshit talk of "dignified" …. The blogosphere is not "dignified"; suck on it.
truth machine
Sorry, I wasn’t clear enough:
libarbarian, you’re a fucking liar. We hadn’t heard of JtP before the debate, moron.
There, I hope that’s dignified enough for your lame ass.
truth machine
Here is the blog entry for the Keating connection to JtP:
If this were my blog, I would forever ban a lying sack of shit like libarbarian.
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Sorry, I couldn’t get past the warm and assured part. Sarah Palin does NOT make me feel warm and assured at all.
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truth machine, while no one came right out and called it hypocrisy, I think the point was made over and over again, no? I sure came away from this thread earlier thinking it was addressed.
truth machine
it’s quite another for random gossips to start spreading rumors without any care for fact.
Indeed it is, you random sack of shit. Unlike what you spout, the speculation that JtP was related to Keating, while it turned out to be wrong, was not without any care for fact. As it so happens, the error was in part due to "Joe" not actually being named Joe.
truth machine
while no one came right out and called it hypocrisy, I think the point was made over and over again, no?
No. No mention of hypocrisy, no mention of a double standard, no mention of Digby, lots of mentions of the Constitution and what else is wrong with Palin. There was one mention of irony in #6, but it wasn’t explained, and was only commented on once, to say "yes".
truth machine
P.S. some posts e.g., #67 and #114, noted that Palin has attacked Obama’s right of free association, but that’s a considerably more convoluted form of hypocrisy than the straightforward one of her directly attacking the media’s right to speak about her in the very process of complaining that the media characterizing her negative campaigning as what it is somehow threatens her ability to speak.
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Well, I don’t know what you need then, because I certainly saw it, even if it was just hinted at. I think we all did. If you weren’t happy with the way it was addressed, simply address it and don’t blame others for not making a point you felt you needed to make. The point belongs to you, k?
Tattoosydney
Eeeeuw. The middle of this thread has troll spoof all over it. What have you lot been up to while I was away?
Icky.
Brachiator
@Martin:
I ignored the religious right the last 20 years. I look forward to ignoring them during the next 20 years.