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You are here: Home / Elections / Election 2008 / Another Member of the Religious Wrong Shows Some Class

Another Member of the Religious Wrong Shows Some Class

by John Cole|  November 10, 20089:08 pm| 84 Comments

This post is in: Election 2008, Republican Stupidity, Clown Shoes, Schadenfreude

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Marilyn Musgrave, keeping it classy:

Bitterness generated by the bruising battle between Betsy Markey and Marilyn Musgrave apparently lingers days after voters decided the winner of the 4th Congressional District.

Incumbent Republican Musgrave, who lost to Democrat Markey by a 56 to 44 percent margin Tuesday, has yet to call and congratulate Markey on her win.

Musgrave also hasn’t conceded the race, said Markey spokesman Ben Marter. “She has yet to admit defeat,” he said. “It’s a little bizarre.”

Calls to Musgrave’s campaign and congressional office went unanswered Friday.

She is probably waiting for God to intervene, and she isn’t about to give up on lost causes. Musgrave, if you remember, is the lunatic who said the following during the Schiavo affair:

“When we talk about a permanent vegetative state, I am offended by that. Terri (Schiavo) smiles and acknowledges the people that love her when they come to see her. She cries when they leave. How heartless are we to call somebody like Terri Schiavo a vegetable? What are we thinking?”

She was such an ass that Michael Schiavo took to campaigning against her:

The fireworks began before the candidates’ debate even started. Last week Michael Schiavo took a seat only 15 feet away from Colorado Rep. Marilyn Musgrave–all the better to taunt her. She had been an outspoken advocate of what Schiavo considered government intrusion in his wife Terri’s right-to-die case last year. When Musgrave’s camp objected to Schiavo’s presence, one of the event hosts tried, unsuccessfully, to have a cop force him to change seats. Though Musgrave wasn’t asked about Terri during the debate, Schiavo had already met his goal–evoking his wife’s case, and the privacy concerns it raised, for the press and the public. “What you went through is the epitome of what’s wrong with the country,” one man told him afterward.

Maybe Musgrave thinks her bid for re-election isn’t dead, it is just in a persistent vegetative state. Regardless, she won’t be missed.

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  1. 1.

    Bostondreams

    November 10, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Not sure if anyone else posted this yet, but it was in the comments over at Coates’ place.

    Georgian idiot predicts Obama Marxist or Fascist dictatorship, breaks Godwin Rule in Process.

  2. 2.

    boonagain

    November 10, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Maybe Musgrave thinks her bid for re-election isn’t dead, it is just in a persistent vegetative state

    I have to admit I laughed out loud at that one!

  3. 3.

    Objective Scrutator

    November 10, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    As a pioneer of the Federal Marriage Amendment (2nd attempt, I think), Musgrave is a Godly woman, and one that deserves our complete and uncritical respect. However, several Leftist groups, most notably the Robert Hanssen reminiscent KKK, have feigned endorsing her in order to stop her campaign. Then again, Leftists will go to any length possible to kick out a woman that’s physically embraced President Bush.

    Musgrave was also prominently featured in this moonbat article.

    "Maybe Musgrave thinks her bid for re-election isn’t dead, it is just in a persistent vegetative state."

    Good one!

  4. 4.

    kommrade jakevich

    November 10, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Paging Dr. Frist!

  5. 5.

    boonagain

    November 10, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    a woman that’s physically embraced President Bush

    I think I just threw up in my mouth a little

  6. 6.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 10, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    However, several Leftist groups, most notably the parodic KKK, have feigned endorsing her in order to stop her campaign. Then again, Leftists will go to any length possible to kick out a woman that’s physically embraced President Bush.

    That’s a stretch, even for a spoof. It is also highly Pair-a-dick thinking. Most of us dicks only have one to do our thinking with. Sometimes I wonder if there is a God. Then I remember last Tuesday.

  7. 7.

    Brian J

    November 10, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Musgrave, if you remember, is the lunatic who said the following during the Schiavo affair:

    “When we talk about a permanent vegetative state, I am offended by that. Terri (Schiavo) smiles and acknowledges the people that love her when they come to see her. She cries when they leave. How heartless are we to call somebody like Terri Schiavo a vegetable? What are we thinking?”

    Wasn’t this proven to be, um, absolute bullshit by the autopsy? Or is she going by cardiologist Bill Frist’s video diagnosis?

  8. 8.

    Joshua Norton

    November 10, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Maybe Musgrave thinks her bid for re-election isn’t dead,

    Or maybe she thinks it’s going to rise up on the third day.

  9. 9.

    Comrade Jake

    November 10, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    @Bostondreams:

    Someone really does need to keep young Republican girls and boys away from the lead paint. Sheesh.

  10. 10.

    Comrade The Other Steve

    November 10, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Back in 2005 I went to the first yearlyKos, and I met Michael Schiavo, even bought a signed copy of his book. He spoke for about an hour or so about what had happened, and fielded some questions.

    He’s a pretty normal guy.

    You meet the guy, and hear him speak, and all the rancid claims made by the so-called Christians just really fall apart.

    I

    “What you went through is the epitome of what’s wrong with the country,” one man told him afterward.

    That’s basically what I told him. I said I was sorry for everything his family had to go through.

  11. 11.

    xyzzy

    November 10, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    (begin extremeSchadenfreude)

    As a former Colorado voter whom Musgrave once "represented," I would just like to take this opportunity to say that the outcome of this race almost makes me feel even better than Obama winning. Almost.

    And the only thing that could make it better is Musgrave acting like the bitter no-class swampwitch that everyone always knew her to be. Way to go, Marilyn, you sanctimonious hag! If only I could see your face when a federal marriage equality law is enacted, I might just die and go right to heaven.

    (end extremeSchadenfreude)

    Ahem. I feel much better now.

  12. 12.

    Comrade Jake

    November 10, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    The whole Schiavo thing really should’ve been used as a Rorschach test for conservatives. If you looked at Terry and saw government intervening in people’s lives, you’re not a conservative. You’re right-wingnut nuts.

  13. 13.

    kommrade jakevich

    November 10, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    OT: Palin Packing Paradox –

    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin spent part of the weekend going through her clothing to determine what belongs to the Republican Party after it spent $150,000-plus on a wardrobe for the vice presidential nominee, according to Palin’s father.

    Strange. She claimed the clothes were for the RNC and most of them were never taken off the plane also.

    "She was just frantically … trying to sort stuff out," Heath said. "That’s the problem, you know, the kids lose underwear, and everything has to be accounted for.

    … What?

  14. 14.

    Comrade Jake

    November 10, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    What exactly was Bush doing to Musgrave in this photo? I think Marilyn’s climaxing.

  15. 15.

    Objective Scrutator

    November 10, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    "I think I just threw up in my mouth a little"

    I will pray for you, Inverse Puritan.

    "That’s a stretch, even for a spoof."

    I’m not a spoof.

    "It is also highly Pair-a-dick thinking. "

    No dicks were used in that context. OTOH, I don’t think ‘parodic’ describes the KKK, so I changed my post. They seem like hold overs of the KGB.

    "Most of us dicks only have one to do our thinking with. "

    I don’t think with mine at all. I think with my Bible.

    "Sometimes I wonder if there is a God. "

    For your own well being, please believe! Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!

    "Wasn’t this proven to be, um, absolute bullshit by the autopsy? Or is she going by cardiologist Bill Frist’s video diagnosis?"

    This story should prove otherwise.

    "If only I could see your face when a federal marriage equality law is enacted"

    Thank the LORD this won’t happen. Even Californians are smart enough to realize that God could smite them with a meteor if they followed through with their anti-family jurisdiction. (Now, I think He’s saving His wrath for New England, what with their RINO Senators from Maine, and the rest of their politicians all Democrats.)

    "If you looked at Terry and saw government intervening in people’s lives, you’re not a conservative. You’re right-wingnut nuts."

    Terri was a human being. I don’t think that the government should enact the death penalty against (relatively) sinless human beings. If you do, then you will be pointed out by Terri at the Final Judgment, and be thrown into a lake of fire like a turnip.

  16. 16.

    kommrade jakevich

    November 10, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    No dicks were used in that context.

    Yeah? What’s that in your hand?

  17. 17.

    Alan

    November 10, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    Randall Terry tried to take the State Senate seat from my GOP Senator for my area in the ’06 primary. When he lost he refused to concede. I think it’s a Religious Right thing. Sort of like how they lie all the time–fruits of the spirit and all.

  18. 18.

    Comrade Vida Loca

    November 10, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    I think Marilyn’s climaxing.

    Starbursts, at least.

  19. 19.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 10, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    OT

    Obama Wants Lieberman To Remain In Democratic Caucus

    My first impulse to this is WTF is Obama thinking. Then I remember, I’m just some dumbass blog commenter. Joe Lieberman, this is how a real leader operates. You called him everything but a terrorist sympathizer anti-American dangerous choice for POTUS. Oh, wait, you actually…..

    You should thank your tiny little heart and even littler brain for the good fortune.

  20. 20.

    Punchy

    November 10, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Something cool about a dead career and her name being Musgrave

  21. 21.

    Ed Marshall

    November 10, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    My first impulse to this is WTF is Obama thinking.

    There was an episode somewhere around the summer where Obama while shaking Lieberman’s hand sort of didn’t let go and walked him over into a corner and had a long confab. My guess is they sort of worked out what Joe was going to be post-2008 in an Obama era.

  22. 22.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 10, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    I don’t think with mine at all. I think with my Bible.

    FTW!!

    I’m not a spoof.

    Yea, Yea, I know. Your not a spoof, your a MAN.

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!

    Stop it now. Your gonna give Dick Cheney a fatal hardon.

  23. 23.

    tigrismus

    November 10, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    For your own well being, please believe!

    You don’t understand election or irresistible grace.

    I don’t think that the government should enact the death penalty against (relatively) sinless human beings.

    Or total depravity. You should really read a little about Calvinism before you try to play one.

  24. 24.

    handy

    November 10, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    @tigrismus:

    Can I get a "limited atonement" in da house?!

  25. 25.

    The Moar You Know

    November 10, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Obama Wants Lieberman To Remain In Democratic Caucus

    @Comrade Stuck: This doesn’t pass the smell test. I suspect Obama’s saying this to look like the bi-partisan good guy while the Dem caucus is quietly figuring out which door to toss Lieberman out of.

  26. 26.

    Frank Wilhoit

    November 10, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Marilyn Musgrave’s campaign cries when people leave. How heartless are you to call something like that a vegetable? Carrots everywhere are hissing with rage.

  27. 27.

    Brian J

    November 10, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    My first impulse to this is WTF is Obama thinking.

    I’m watching the repeat of "Countdown" right now, and at the beginning of the show, Olbermann talked about this. The basic point was that by kicking Lieberman out, he would be made into a hero by some, in addition to being a thorn in the side of the administration. This makes sense.

    Someone above said that Obama is trying to look like the good guy while the Democratic caucus is trying to figure out how to get rid of him. This makes sense, if we think of Obama wanting to play the good cop.

  28. 28.

    tigrismus

    November 10, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Ha, I had included limited atonement but figured irresistible grace sufficiently covered the error. SOMEbody needs to tiptoe through the TULIP if he wants to get into character, though.

  29. 29.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    November 10, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Maybe Musgrave thinks her bid for re-election isn’t dead, it is just in a persistent vegetative state.

    Haha!

    —

    So I’ve been watching my email religiously since we won because, as you all know, I’m one of the original one million owners of the Obama campaign and I was sure we’d be getting something along the lines of a fat dividend check.

    Today the email finally comes. I open it anxiously and it’s an Obama Victory T-Shirt offer. For just $30 US, I can get an Obama Victory T-Shirt. WTF?? If I had $30 fucking dollars to blow on a fucking T-shirt as winter approaches, I’d prolly be a fucking Republican and not actually one of the first million Obama supporters, amirite??

    Even if I wanted the damned T-Shirt, my stimulus check isn’t slated until end of January or February. By then, I won’t even like Obama anymore, fucker.

  30. 30.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    November 10, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    @The Moar You Know: This doesn’t pass the smell test. I suspect Obama’s saying this to look like the bi-partisan good guy while the Dem caucus is quietly figuring out which door to toss Lieberman out of.

    No, they’re actually trying to figure out how to keep him. If it was about throwing him out, it’d be done already.

  31. 31.

    Comrade grumpy realist

    November 10, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Hmm, I think the whole Lieberman thing is the following:

    1: "rather have him on the inside of the tent pissing out rather on the outside pissing in."

    2: Lieberman will out-Heep Uriah Heep to stay in his cushy position–and Obama knows it. I don’t think this is a sign of weakness on the point of Obama. Just taking the long view. Always keep a sword of Damocles hanging over the victim. We can always throw him off the committees later if he starts acting up again.

    3. Hey, the little weasel will be done after the next election, anyway.

  32. 32.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 10, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    I’m not sure about that. We have the WH and Congress now, and the etiquette for that is the president says something like that, then his party in Congress gives great deference to it. Especially this early on in Obama’s term that hasn’t even started yet. They want to appear as a united front to the world.
    Later that might change.

    This will make it hard for Reid to kick him out of the caucus, and strengthens Holy Joe’s hand in threatening to jump to the GOP if he loses his chairmanship. Obama, I think is trying to show magnanimity. I don’t like it, but now Joe is Obama’s bitch, which does bring a smile.

  33. 33.

    boonagain

    November 10, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    $30!

    Look what I have to donate to get that friggin’ T shirt (and I do kinda want it):

    In the months and years ahead, we’re going to accomplish amazing things together. No president has ever had the support of such a powerful grassroots movement, and Barack and Joe will need you to continue fighting alongside them. But before we take the next step, we need to get our house in order.The Democratic National Committee poured all of its resources into building our successful 50-state field program. And they played a crucial role in helping Barack win in unlikely states like North Carolina and Indiana. We even picked up an electoral vote in Nebraska.The DNC took on considerable debt to make this happen. Will you make a donation of $250 or more now to help the DNC pay for these efforts? You’ll get a 2008 Victory T-shirt.

  34. 34.

    kommrade jakevich

    November 10, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    My guess is they sort of worked out what Joe was going to be post-2008 in an Obama era.

    And it rhymes with ‘witch.’

  35. 35.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    November 10, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    @boonagain:

    Haha.. prolly they’re offering you the double-stitched ones with the no-fade colors.

  36. 36.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    November 10, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    I don’t like it, but now Joe is Obama’s bitch, which does bring a smile.

    Not at all. In fact, events so far seem to indicate that we are all Joe’s bitch.

  37. 37.

    timb

    November 10, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    O/T One of the funniest things ever

    Peep this crazy jackass

    http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/

  38. 38.

    Comrade Darkness

    November 10, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    My guess is they sort of worked out what Joe was going to be post-2008 in an Obama era.

    So, anyone know how to search for Connecticut’s rules on governors appointing Senators to empty seats? Some states its to finish out the term, but some it’s just for 60-90 days until a special election can be called. If CT is the latter (because the gov is an R), I say give Lieberman the ambassadorship to Israel and get someone else in his seat. Lamont Cranston, or whatever his name was, might still be available for a snap election.

  39. 39.

    Ed Marshall

    November 10, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Not at all. In fact, events so far seem to indicate that we are all Joe’s bitch.

    We’ll find out. I think it’s Joe on the leash. If he want’s something and gets it, I’ll be really surprised.

  40. 40.

    Comrade Darkness

    November 10, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    @Objective Scrutator

    Oh, oh, can I pet the troll, can I? Me likes nice troll.

    I have a question. Why is irresistible grace even necessary if there is unconditional election? If you are saved, you are saved, why denigrate the mystery of the process by attempting to define it in human terms?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    @boonagain, are you of draft age? Then your dividend check is not getting drafted for the three new glorious wars in Syria, Pakistan and Iran that are now on hold.

  41. 41.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 10, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Oh, I don’t know. The left hates Joe and he’s now the Right’s used up two bit trollop. And since the party is over for them, they’ve not much use for his whiny ass bi-partisan propaganda. His new name should be Lonely Joe.

  42. 42.

    Delia

    November 10, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    WTF??? Well, I know I’m not one of the million original owners of Obama’s campaign cuz I didn’t even climb on board until after we all knew that Edwards was dead meat, and even then I took about a week to decide between between him and Hillary and another week to give into the pestering phone calls from the Obamamaniacs to give money. But I got the fab $30 t-shirt offer, too.

  43. 43.

    Objective Scrutator

    November 10, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    "You don’t understand election or irresistible grace."

    Election (predestination) is the only logical way to view an omniscient, omnipotent God. God is a crafty human being; sometimes, those that appear to be saved will sometimes slide into depravity, while other times, the utterly pathetic will sometimes redeem themselves. Modern Calvinism takes an approach somewhat similar to this, rather than stating that ‘if you’re damned, just stop trying’ (which, incidentally, was employed devastatingly against the Calvinist movement by Ann Hutchinson.)

    As for ‘irresistible grace’, I know full well that sinners don’t just accept the LORD. However, I also know full well that constantly throwing the Bible at them will, by the grace of God, make them attracted to it. Think of it like the obsessed kid that is continually beaned in the face with a baseball in Little League; the kid starts becoming obsessed with the game, looking to seek vengeance against the pitcher that beaned him so.

    "Or total depravity."

    She was a woman of God, and thus allowed God’s grace to cleanse her of sin. You do realize that Geneva didn’t just execute anyone, right?

    "You should really read a little about Calvinism before you try to play one."

    I am a Calvinist, of the Chalcedon variety. If I played one, I’d lose my soul.

    "I’m watching the repeat of "Countdown" right now, and at the beginning of the show, Olbermann talked about this. The basic point was that by kicking Lieberman out, he would be made into a hero by some, in addition to being a thorn in the side of the administration. This makes sense."

    Didn’t Olbermann say that he didn’t vote for Obama? I’m sure Olbermann wants Liebermann out, but does that play pragmatically?

    "This will make it hard for Reid to kick him out of the caucus, and strengthens Holy Joe’s hand in threatening to jump to the GOP if he loses his chairmanship. Obama, I think is trying to show magnanimity. I don’t like it, but now Joe is Obama’s bitch, which does bring a smile."

    The last point is exactly what Obama’s playing on. Chess player Aron Nimzowitch said that, "The threat is greater than the execution." Certainly, Obama’s going to wait and see how Liebermann reacts under his administration. There’d be no reason to pander to the Republicans when they’re politically irrelevant at the federal level, and Liebermann is going to start kissing liberal ass in order to stay in power. You can expect him to try to pull a Mitt Romney on us, and gradually rescind his support for the War on Terror. Liebermann strikes me as a pragmatist, and he’s not going to try getting on McConnell’s good side. McConnell doesn’t even like Liebermann, but no one does.

    The Dems have 58 seats or so, right? That’s about the perfect number to have Liebermann come into play on quite a few votes.

    "Why is irresistible grace even necessary if there is unconditional election? If you are saved, you are saved, why denigrate the mystery of the process by attempting to define it in human terms?"

    You should probably read an answer from Rushdoony for the best answer, although I’d presume that unconditional election follows from believing in an omniscient, omnipotent God, as well as different views of the afterlife. Dispensationalists, as much as they’d like to deny it, will admit to some form of unconditional election, if you press them hard enough.

  44. 44.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    November 10, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    His new name should be Lonely Joe.

    See, I don’t see that. Big Dawg is out there pulling for him now, according to reports. If Joe was friendless and lonely, there would be about 50 Democratic senators with less seniority than Joe* clamoring for what Joe The Republican is unfairly preventing them from obtaining: plum committee assignments.

    But alas, there is Joe-friendly silence.

    *Ballpark estimate.

  45. 45.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    November 10, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    @Delia:

    OMFG.

    Just OMFG.

    Fuckers, all of ’em.

  46. 46.

    boonagain

    November 10, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    And , NO, I’m not gonna give either one of you fuckers $250 for a T shirt you gave $30 for!! Don’t even try it!

    As for draft age, I passed that during the Vietnam War so I’m pretty safe now, I think.

  47. 47.

    jcricket

    November 10, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    Look what I have to donate to get that friggin’ T shirt (and I do kinda want it):

    I had the same thing. Must be based on your donations.

    So, anyone know how to search for Connecticut’s rules on governors appointing Senators to empty seats

    The Republican governor of Connecticut would simple appoint another Republican to finish out Joe’s term. But that would actually be a good thing for us, because that Republican would lose in a landslide next election season.

    CT is not AK, where a special election or appointment of a Republican by the governor would likely "stick".

  48. 48.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 10, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    @Objective Scrutator:

    The last point is exactly what Obama’s playing on.

    Your agreement makes me nervous OS.

    Liebermann strikes me as a pragmatist,

    This is true. He WAS the first to notice the many new Satellite Dishes in Iraq signaling our great victory there.

  49. 49.

    Delia

    November 10, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    @boonagain:

    You know what. I think they’re just foolin’ with you. I just clicked over to the t-shirt page and they’ll let you donate in any sum between $30 – $2,500, or even more. They’re very flexible.

  50. 50.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    November 10, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    And , NO, I’m not gonna give either one of you fuckers $250 for a T shirt you gave $30 for!! Don’t even try it!

    Hell, I was gonna offer you one for $60. But that was when the T-shirt actually appeared to mean something. I’ve moved on.

  51. 51.

    jcricket

    November 10, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    See, I don’t see that. Big Dawg is out there pulling for him now, according to reports.

    Clinton has now explicitly denied that. Not saying Joe doesn’t have friends, but I think he’s just posturing at this point and his grip on anything is more tenuous than it seems.

  52. 52.

    Ed Marshall

    November 10, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    As someone with an AOG background, OS might be for real. I have no idea what church he belongs to but hating on the dispensationalists from the right puts him in some really, really, fucking weird ground.

    That pretty much puts you into the Christian Identity movement. I can’t think of anyone else that identifies this way.

  53. 53.

    Objective Scrutator

    November 10, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    "That pretty much puts you into the Christian Identity movement. I can’t think of anyone else that identifies this way."

    I’m a Christian Reconstructionist, and a postmillenialist. I’m not some wackaloon that creates his own theology.

    BTW, Christian Identity is run by undercover liberals, although it does sucker in a lot of idiots.

    "Your agreement makes me nervous OS."

    Anyone who DOESN’T think that Obama is just waiting to see how committed Liebermann would be towards him doesn’t know politics. It’s as simple as that.

  54. 54.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 10, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    If Joe was friendless and lonely, there would be about 50 Democratic senators with less seniority than Joe* clamoring for what Joe The Republican is unfairly preventing them from obtaining: plum committee assignments.

    Point taken. I guess I’m trying to conjure Champagne from a bottle of piss. But he will still owe Obama.

  55. 55.

    Comrade Darkness

    November 10, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    You should probably read an answer from Rushdoony for the best answer, although I’d presume that unconditional election follows from believing in an omniscient, omnipotent God, as well as different views of the afterlife.

    Rousas, you mean? He looks very modern. Still warm in the grave, and everything. I’ll start with the references to his inspiration.

    I look at this and wonder, if one is going to be so amazingly logical and structured about unseen realities, why not just go into astronomy or physics and get it over with?

  56. 56.

    Comrade Darkness

    November 10, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    As someone with an AOG background, OS might be for real

    Did you read his/her blog? I liked the part about the rockets.

  57. 57.

    xyzzy

    November 10, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    @Objective Scrupulator:

    Dude, you need to learn some brevity. Many a thesis advisor has said that "you need a one line, one paragraph, and one page description of what you do." (Or "are," in your case.) And the first two are the most important. But yeah, I know that’s hard to do if you rest your entire position on bullshit.

  58. 58.

    Objective Scrutator

    November 10, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    "Rousas, you mean? He looks very modern. Still warm in the grave, and everything. I’ll start with the references to his inspiration."

    You could also try Gary North, although he hasn’t written ~1700~ pages on Calvinism / Christian Reconstructionism like Rushdoony has. I look at North for Biblical free market inspiration.

    "I look at this and wonder, if one is going to be so amazingly logical and structured about unseen realities, why not just go into astronomy or physics and get it over with?"

    Astronomy and physics are the domain of necromancers, pessimists, and nihilists. Common sense and basic algebra prove that you cannot dictate a society on math alone.

  59. 59.

    Ed Marshall

    November 10, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    I’m a Christian Reconstructionist, and a postmillenialist.

    I can’t think of a more depressing theology. This isn’t going to happen. Have you noticed that?

  60. 60.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    November 10, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    But he will still owe Obama.

    Again, disagree. He’ll only owe Obama if he is publicly stripped of his committee assignments and kicked out of the caucus and then Obama intervenes publicly somehow.

    Otherwise, he doesn’t appear to owe anyone and this plays to type for Democrats just like everything else: Democrats are weak, easy to walk over, easy to cheat. Joe is cockslapping us in the forehead and we’re desperately trying to get our lips around his tantalizing manmeat.

  61. 61.

    Objective Scrutator

    November 10, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    "I can’t think of a more depressing theology."

    Rapture Ready is more optimistic than postmillenialism?

    We pride ourselves on how optimistic we are.

    "Otherwise, he doesn’t appear to owe anyone and this plays to type for Democrats just like everything else: Democrats are weak, easy to walk over, easy to cheat. Joe is cockslapping us in the forehead and we’re desperately trying to get our lips around his tantalizing manmeat."

    There’s a reason why Democrats don’t try to cater to the Kos Kids Klan and the rest of the nutroots. In a weird way, Chomsky is sort of correct in that there is no free press, although I disagree with him on whether that’s a good thing or not.

  62. 62.

    Comrade Darkness

    November 10, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Astronomy and physics are the domain of necromancers, pessimists, and nihilists. Common sense and basic algebra prove that you cannot dictate a society on math alone.

    Kind of a bugger, then, for your thinking that society managed to flourish before Calvinism, or even Christianity. Dictated by the human condition, perhaps?

  63. 63.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    November 10, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    There’s a reason why Democrats don’t try to cater to the Kos Kids Klan and the rest of the nutroots. In a weird way, Chomsky is sort of correct in that there is no free press, although I disagree with him on whether that’s a good thing or not.

    You got plenty of feeders in here, troll. Don’t be looking for a handout from me.

  64. 64.

    Ed Marshall

    November 10, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    Again, disagree. He’ll only owe Obama if he is publicly stripped of his committee assignments and kicked out of the caucus and then Obama intervenes publicly somehow.

    What Obama want’s he get’s. Lieberman knows this. The President-elect is calling the shots. Did you see what happened when he was the presumptive nominee and the Clinton’s tried to throw a fit? Twenty years ago, this might have had some drama to it, but we learn and move on. The legislature isn’t going to fight with Obama.

  65. 65.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 10, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    Joe is cockslapping us in the forehead and we’re desperately trying to get our lips around his tantalizing manmeat

    Joe isn’t doing anything right now, cockslapping or anything else. He is utterly at the mercy of Harry Reid and the dem Senate Caucus. He has zero leverage given how the Senate numbers are shaking out, and would have none with the wingnuts if he joined them. Though that would change if by some miracle we ended up with 59 seats.

  66. 66.

    Indylib

    November 10, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Today the email finally comes. I open it anxiously and it’s an Obama Victory T-Shirt offer. For just $30 US, I can get an Obama Victory T-Shirt

    JSF, you think you’re pissed?

    I donated I at least $500 to the campaign, bought 2 yard signs (one was stolen), 3 t-shirts and volunteered election day and they didn’t even offer me the damn t-shirt!

  67. 67.

    oh really

    November 10, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Musgrave lost by 12%. She doesn’t understand that, because good Christians of her ilk only need to be able to count up to ten — the number of Commandments. So, if she’d lost by, say, nine percent, she’d be able to understand that. But twelve is a number to big for her addled little brain to comprehend.

  68. 68.

    TheHatOnMyCat

    November 10, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    I donated I at least $500 to the campaign, bought 2 yard signs (one was stolen), 3 t-shirts and volunteered election day and they didn’t even offer me the damn t-shirt!

    Well, I donated eight times that much, and I couldn’t be happier with the outcome. If I had had been able, and if it had been legal, I ‘d have done more, and I’d be glad for that too.

    I left it all on the road, as the new phrase goes, and I am glad I did.

  69. 69.

    Ed Marshall

    November 10, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    OK, I got suckered, OC is taking a piss. It’s a damn good piss. Kudos to you, OC.

    The saddest fact is, he could run rings around real fundies. Good luck in that endeavour.

  70. 70.

    Brian J

    November 10, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    JSF, you think you’re pissed?

    I donated I at least $500 to the campaign, bought 2 yard signs (one was stolen), 3 t-shirts and volunteered election day and they didn’t even offer me the damn t-shirt!

    You’ll probably get yours. Maybe I’m wrong in thinking that an e-mail is like a text message, but when they sent those mass texts like the one that announced the VP pick, I didn’t get mine until many hours after it was sent. I just looked at the mail that came today, and I got another car magnet. I got the first the day before the election. Make what you will of that.

  71. 71.

    Objective Scrutator

    November 10, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    "Kind of a bugger, then, for your thinking that society managed to flourish before Calvinism, or even Christianity. Dictated by the human condition, perhaps?"

    Aristotle was arguably the most moral non-Hebrew person in existence at the time.

    "You got plenty of feeders in here, troll. Don’t be looking for a handout from me."

    I’m sorry, I don’t follow.

    "What Obama want’s he get’s. Lieberman knows this. The President-elect is calling the shots. Did you see what happened when he was the presumptive nominee and the Clinton’s tried to throw a fit? Twenty years ago, this might have had some drama to it, but we learn and move on. The legislature isn’t going to fight with Obama."

    Yeah, this is the first time that the Democrats have control of all law-making and enforcing branches of government since the days of the Clintons. They’re going to be bickering behind closed doors through a lot of the next few months, and Obama’s going to be their leader, since the country looks up to him, not the critter Pelosi or the Chickendove Reid. On domestic policy issues (which Obama has stressed more than foreign policy issues this year, IMO), Liebermann is going to be a very valuable ally.

  72. 72.

    TheHatOnMyCat

    November 10, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    If you do, then you will be pointed out by Terri at the Final Judgment, and be thrown into a lake of fire like a turnip.

    Nah, more like a jicama.

  73. 73.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    November 10, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    I donated I at least $500 to the campaign, bought 2 yard signs (one was stolen), 3 t-shirts and volunteered election day and they didn’t even offer me the damn t-shirt!

    I turned my precinct from red to blue! By 5 votes. 2004, it went 830-510 for Bush. This year 758-753 Obama.

    And now my Republican neighbors just glare at me. I guess they’re a little surprised they were living this close to a terrorist sympathizing liberal godless commie baby-killing gay-sex-having socialist these last five years and never even knew it. Scary shit, when ya think about it.

  74. 74.

    Indylib

    November 11, 2008 at 12:33 am

    @TheHatOnMyCat:

    Well, I donated eight times that much, and I couldn’t be happier with the outcome

    Actually, TZ, I was just teasing JSF.

    I am also thrilled with what I got for my investment and could care less about another t-shirt.

    The coolest thing I got from the campaign beyond Obama’s actual election was the text message late election night that said, "We just made history. All of this happened because you gave your time, talent and passion to this campign. All of this happened because of you. Thanks, Barack

    I actually choked up. Silly, I know, it’s not like he was texting everyone himself, but the campaign was incredibly good at keeping supporters engaged and I appreciated it.

  75. 75.

    pseudonymous in nc

    November 11, 2008 at 12:35 am

    Obama can say what he likes, but there’ll be 20 or so Dem Senators, many of whom basically had to campaign against him upticket as McCain’s special friend this year, who have their say.

    The Oversight / Homeland Security Committee is much too valuable to have him holding the gavel, though. Not when his loyalty is in doubt. The lack of substantive work from the Senate side over the past two years, compared to Waxman’s House committee, is shameful.

  76. 76.

    Indylib

    November 11, 2008 at 12:45 am

    @pseudonymous in nc:

    Obama can say what he likes, but there’ll be 20 or so Dem Senators, many of whom basically had to campaign against him upticket as McCain’s special friend

    Which Dem Senators had to run against Obama to get elected?

    I know there was at least 1 Repub who ran as Obama’s buddy – Gordan Smith from Oregon, but if there were Dem Senators running as McCain pals I sure as hell missed it.

    Did you mean Dem Represenatives?

  77. 77.

    Bad Horse's Filly

    November 11, 2008 at 1:08 am

    Musgrave, classless to the end. As a proud member of her district, can I just say, good riddance, don’t let the buffalo kick you in the ass on your way out the door.

    Can we please not feed the trolls, you do it once and they hang around looking for another handout.

    At the very least, could we get a better class of troll? This one isn’t even worth a scooby snack.

  78. 78.

    Blue Raven

    November 11, 2008 at 3:04 am

    @Comrade Jake:

    What exactly was Bush doing to Musgrave in this photo? I think Marilyn’s climaxing.

    From his hand position and her expression, that’s not climaxing. That’s entering into subspace. Bush was whispering how she’s a dirty slut, and she was all but ready to… um… ohgodBRAINBLEACH!

  79. 79.

    bago

    November 11, 2008 at 3:47 am

    Biblical free market inspiration

    Awww yeah. Camel through a needle’s eye. Bullseye!

  80. 80.

    Svensker

    November 11, 2008 at 8:07 am

    Musgrave is a Godly woman, and one that WHO deserves our complete and uncritical respect. However, several Leftist groups, most notably the Robert Hanssen reminiscent KKK, have feigned endorsing her in order to stop her campaign. Then again, Leftists will go to any length possible to kick out a woman that’s WHO’S physically embraced President Bush.

    /grammar police

    Holy Joe OWES Obama? Yup, he sure remembered Obama supporting him over Lamont, didn’t he? Loyalty and gratitude for favors done just oozes from Joe. Oh, wait, you mean that’s something else oozing from Joe?

  81. 81.

    lorri

    November 11, 2008 at 11:30 am

    As a wackaloon who makes up her own theology, I would like to say that wackaloons everywhere are hissing with anger along with the carrots.

    I also think Joe Biden was a mole on behalf of the Obama campaign, relaying every move in advance to the Dem side so they could prepare counterattacks. Now go back and look at the comment above from Ed Marshall in that light, about Lieberman and Obama having a little side conversation… bwhahahah!

  82. 82.

    shortstop

    November 11, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Ah, the B1 Bob Dornan school of concession, where on the first day of the next session, you try to arrive in the House chamber first, run to your old seat and plop yourself in it just as the person who bested you is sitting down. The presumptuous upstart lands on your lap, and hilarity ensues.

    Now I’m wondering, though–did Dornan ever get around to conceding, or does he still maintain he’s a congressman in exile?

  83. 83.

    Phoebe

    November 11, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    This made my day. I remember her from the FMA thingy. I saw her say something insanely hateful and stupid, and it was my first clue that absolutely anyone can hold a national elective office, and that congress was probably bursting with morons. It was chilling, because before that I guess I’d assumed that grownups were at the helm, even if I disagreed with them. Wrong.

    Also, to be completely catty, I remember her looking like a tree stump with a hair bow on it. Say what you will about the dems, but their butchy women don’t try to shoehorn themselves into a narrow range of acceptable femininity, and this is a very good thing. Which I did not appreciate fully until I saw this Musgrove creature.

  84. 84.

    Phoebe

    November 11, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    I got offered the t-shirt, but I did not know this until I checked my spam folder. Just saying.

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