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You are here: Home / Politics / Republican Stupidity / Why We Have Comments

Why We Have Comments

by John Cole|  November 19, 20086:04 pm| 71 Comments

This post is in: Republican Stupidity, Blogospheric Navel-Gazing, Clown Shoes

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A lot of websites have chosen not to have comments, but here is why you should- often times the commenters are better than the posts. Case in point, this Culture 11 piece about Kathleen Parker, in which Ericka Andersen declares the Parker piece is “icky,” and the quotes Jonah Goldberg extensively. The very first commenter:

If the best rebuttal you can offer comes from Jonah Goldberg, then you’ve pretty much conceded that Parker is right.

And just like that, the thread is over.

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  1. 1.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 19, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    That’s pretty much true whenever Jonah is involved. I mean my parakeet could destroy his drivel with a single tweet.

  2. 2.

    horatius

    November 19, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Awesome!!!!!

  3. 3.

    Punchy

    November 19, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    New wingnut meme (per nut talk radio) — Companies are in hiring freezes and/or layoffs IN ANTICIPATION of the Obama Admin. Not cuz of 8 yrs of Bush policies. Its all Obama’s fault from here on out….yup

  4. 4.

    Joshua Norton

    November 19, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    Its all Obama’s fault from here on out….yup

    So this must be the cut over from everything being Clinton’s fault.

  5. 5.

    ppcli

    November 19, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Punchy: Right you are. Everything was Clinton’s fault until 1996. Then it was the Congressional Democrats’ fault until Nov. 3 of this year. All Obama’s fault after that. Who else could it be? What other player has there been in all of this mess?

  6. 6.

    ppcli

    November 19, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Oh, I forgot to add: Except for the Katrina fiasco, of course. That was the fault of the Democratic governor of Louisiana and the Democratic mayor of New Orleans.

  7. 7.

    DougJ

    November 19, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Everything was Clinton’s fault until 1996. Then it was the Congressional Democrats’ fault until Nov. 3 of this year.

    I assume you mean 2006.

    I didn’t follow politics in the 1980s so closely but whose fault was everything back then? Carter or the Democrats in the House? Or was it close enough to the 60s that the hippies and black panthers could still be blamed?

  8. 8.

    Joshua Norton

    November 19, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Or was it close enough to the 60s that the hippies and black panthers could still be blamed?

    They still do. I live in San Francisco and a mid-west tourist yahoo recently asked me how to get to the place where all the hippies hang out. I told him to set his way back machine for Haight/Ashbury 1967.

    Geez Louise. It’s like going to Chicago and asking where all the flappers and bootleggers are.

  9. 9.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 19, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Or was it close enough to the 60s that the hippies and black panthers could still be blamed?

    It was Paraquat. The goddamn government poisoned our weed. Things haven’t been the same since.

  10. 10.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    November 19, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    And just like that, the thread is over.

    Haha, so true )

  11. 11.

    A Different Matt

    November 19, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    New wingnut meme (per nut talk radio)—Companies are in hiring freezes and/or layoffs IN ANTICIPATION of the Obama Admin. Not cuz of 8 yrs of Bush policies. Its all Obama’s fault from here on out….yup

    What else would you expect from an omniscient market? You know that Clinton prosperity experienced throughout, but especially in the late 90’s? That was just our omniscient market responding to the forthcoming Bush admin.

  12. 12.

    RS

    November 19, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    I had to do some driving several days after the election, and alone in the car I like to listen to talk radio, generally sports. Unfortunately I was out of range of the sports stations, so I figured, what the fuck, Limbaugh and Hannity have to be feeling some pain, that should shine some light in my world. They were already blaming Obama for the economic collapse. Somewhat conversely, they were attributing the socialist Obama’s election victory to his fooling the voters by adopting a conservative economic platform. These fuckers have so little respect for the thinking abilities of their (regular) listeners that they don’t even pretend at logic.

  13. 13.

    MarkusB

    November 19, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    Beautiful.

  14. 14.

    Krista

    November 19, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    “Why We Have Comments”

    I thought you had comments because you’re a complete masochist and like the abuse that we dish out.

  15. 15.

    Doug

    November 19, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Definitely true about the comments often being better than the post. Seems like the rightwing blogs are often afraid of that dynamic; preferring a top-down, one-to-many communication structure.

    Oh, and from what I hear, dirty fucking hippies are the root of all evil.

  16. 16.

    demkat620

    November 19, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    I thought you had comments so we could tell you what to have for dinner.

  17. 17.

    Zifnab

    November 19, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    I thought you had comments so you could receive our praise for recommending Hola Fruita.

  18. 18.

    Barbar

    November 19, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Also from comments in that thread:

    The country is in a sad state, and I hope Palin can save us. I don’t see anyone pure enough to take the lead but her.
    What are people going to do, vote for another muslim who claims he’s now a Christian like Obama and Jindal? Has the world gone mad?

  19. 19.

    Hyperion

    November 19, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    Originally I came for the posts.
    But I stayed because of the comments.

  20. 20.

    Mojotron

    November 19, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    wondering if "ron bailey" is Reason’s Ronald Bailey

  21. 21.

    Josh Hueco

    November 19, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    I thought you had comments so we could bitch at you for not posting our pet photos.

  22. 22.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 19, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Sweet Jeebus, Holy Joe is schmoozing with Katie Couric with his patented whine about all the vicious partisanship. This coming from the knucklehead who said the dem candidate wasn’t all that American and the candidate of choice by Hamas. It will never stop.

  23. 23.

    Jeff

    November 19, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    What are people going to do, vote for another muslim who claims he’s now a Christian like Obama and Jindal? Has the world gone mad?

    WTF! I am speechless. If the Jindal is Muslim becomes a new meme on the Sarah Palin bandwagon then they can…I cannot even think of anything except fuck themselves.

  24. 24.

    ppcli

    November 19, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    I assume you mean 2006.
    I didn’t follow politics in the 1980s so closely but whose fault was everything back then? Carter or the Democrats in the House? Or was it close enough to the 60s that the hippies and black panthers could still be blamed?

    Ooops – yes, 2006 of course. I remember the mid-1980’s quite well. I had just arrived in the good old U.S.A. for graduate school, fleeing the very week that a despicable, corrupt regime was installed in my home country. (That would be the Mulroney regime, but I digress.) So my introduction to U.S. politics was the high-water mark of the Reagan era. I remember vividly watching the Bush – Ferraro VP debate, and being struck by the way that whenever some bad thing about the last five (enormous deficit, for example) Bush would say they tried to do something about it "but that Tip O’Neill" wouldn’t let them.
    .
    In other words, since the Republicans controlled the Presidency and Senate, everything was the Democratic House Speaker’s fault.
    .
    [Digressing again: now that I think of it, I was watching that debate with some of my neighbors in the grad living quarters, on Michael O’Hanlon’s T.V… So I should take a moment to say that whatever his opinions of the Iraq war, let no one ever say that as a young man he wasn’t generous with his fridge full of beer.]

  25. 25.

    Libby Spencer

    November 19, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    A little off topic since it’s not about wingnuts, but I did just pick up this piece of information from a comment thread and thought I would share because it’s such an incredible bargain.

    Restaurant.com is having a special today. 80% off their gift certificates if you use the secret code word "surprise" (without the quote marks) when you order I guess. That translates to $10 gift certificates for $0.60 and $25 for $2.

    Lots of restaurants all over the country but I assume you need to order before midnight so if you get this in time and have a dining partner, you might want to check it out. There are some restrictions like most don’t include booze and you need to order two entrees or whatnot.

    Anyway, it’s such a huge bargain, I thought I would pass it on.

  26. 26.

    Tzal

    November 19, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    But for comments, there would be no "I am aware of all internet traditions" meme.

  27. 27.

    [delurk]...[/delurk]

    November 19, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    @ A Different Matt:

    What else would you expect from an omniscient market? You know that Clinton prosperity experienced throughout, but especially in the late 90’s? That was just our omniscient market responding to the forthcoming Bush admin.

    Oh, that’s just ten pounds of win in a five pound sack!

  28. 28.

    Nylund

    November 19, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Plus, comments make it easier to waste even more time on the internet while at work.

    All that work I don’t do makes my company have to hire someone else, giving one more person a job.

    This is my small contribution to ending the recession.

  29. 29.

    Larime the Gimp

    November 19, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    What are people going to do, vote for another muslim who claims he’s now a Christian like Obama and Jindal? Has the world gone mad?

    Uh… if anything, Jindal would have been Hindu, most likely. Or Sikh.

    But brown people all look alike to these fucknuckles.

  30. 30.

    jake 4 that 1

    November 19, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Hey, hey, hey now! What about Jimmy "Monster" Carter?

  31. 31.

    That One - Cain

    November 19, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    @demkat620:

    I thought you had comments so we could tell you what to have for dinner.

    And give free computer advice.

    cain

  32. 32.

    Perry Como

    November 19, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    So this must be the cut over from everything being Clinton’s fault.

    Blame for anything that has gone wrong in the last 20 years:

    1) Clinton
    2) ????
    3) Obama
    4) Wingnut welfare profit!

    Easy, right?

  33. 33.

    [delurk]...[/delurk]

    November 19, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Actually, the Sikhs are very prejudiced against "darkies" (their word, not mine) like Jindal.

  34. 34.

    That One - Cain

    November 19, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Boy, accusing a hindu of being a muslim would be like accusing a KKK guy of being black! (well, those ultra conservative hindus..not me though.. I love everyone *slobber* *slobber*)

    cain

  35. 35.

    ppcli

    November 19, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    What are people going to do, vote for another muslim who claims he’s now a Christian like Obama and Jindal? Has the world gone mad?
    WTF! I am speechless. If the Jindal is Muslim becomes a new meme on the Sarah Palin bandwagon then they can…I cannot even think of anything except fuck themselves.

    I’ve seen the "Jindal is a secret Muslim" line cropping up, and I predict it will have a robust life for the next few years. No doubt, from time to time someone might try to point out that Jindal was a hindu before he converted to Falwellist Christianity, but the response will surely be "I don’t care what kind of Muslim he is…"

  36. 36.

    Jeff

    November 19, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    @Larime the Gimp: He was Hindu and converted to Catholicism in high school. The idiot would probably think they are similar.

  37. 37.

    Larime the Gimp

    November 19, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Actually, the Sikhs are very prejudiced against "darkies" (their word, not mine) like Jindal.

    Odd.I know a few darker skinned Sikhs. Not Jindal dark, but still…

    Boy, accusing a hindu of being a muslim would be like accusing a KKK guy of being black! (well, those ultra conservative hindus..not me though.. I love everyone slobber slobber

    No shit. Way to offend two religions at once, huh?

    You Hindu?

  38. 38.

    Objective Scrutator

    November 19, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Balloon Juice is one of the few comment threads where ass kissing does not commence. That’s why I come here. And blog posters are often influenced by their commenters; hence, why I think that John Cole actually considers every possible reasonable perspective before coming to a conclusion (however wrong it may be). John’s also not very egoistical; I stopped reading MarKos because he has an ego that he needs to deal with. (Incidentally, MarKos’s knee jerk reactions towards Left wing ideology leads to numerous ass kissing in the comment threads. Democratic Underground is even worse, though.)

    My comment threads are far better than the posts, as well. Or at least they are before the stupid trolls come to do nothing other than scream, "Bush = Hitler" to every response.

    However, John, you’re still a Leftist on just about every issue; and, thus, an enemy of the state.

  39. 39.

    Calouste

    November 19, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    @ppcli:

    I’ve seen the "Jindal is a secret Muslim" line cropping up, and I predict it will have a robust life for the next few years. No doubt, from time to time someone might try to point out that Jindal was a hindu before he converted to Falwellist Christianity, but the response will surely be "I don’t care what kind of Muslim he is…"

    Apparently Jindal is a Catholic these days. How that lines up with his support of teaching creationism in schools, which isn’t exactly mainstream in the Catholic Church, is unclear.

    But in general the problem for Jindal is that he has better chances of becoming President than winning the Republican primaries.

  40. 40.

    Barbar

    November 19, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    Jindal is a seekrit Muslim, and Palin is… "pure." Wonder what that means.

  41. 41.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 19, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    My comment threads are far better than the posts, as well.

    Well, Obey Won Scrutator, that’s because your posts are utterly insane. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  42. 42.

    Trollhattan

    November 19, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    Hopefully he converted so he could drink and eat meat. Meeeeat. And étouffée.

    Note: he didn’t convert to Southern Baptist.

    Apparently Jindal is a Catholic these days. How that lines up with his support of teaching creationism in schools, which isn’t exactly mainstream in the Catholic Church, is unclear.

  43. 43.

    MikeL

    November 19, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    Probably OT but – restate.com is already calling Obama "Dear Leader".

    I’m not an expert on this, but it’s saving this kind of snark for after he’s sworn in like the no white after Labor Day rule?

  44. 44.

    AkaDad

    November 19, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    I thought you had comments so I could make people groan at my lame jokes.

  45. 45.

    Mike

    November 19, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. (Though Jonah’s more like one page of your Stars Wars desk calendar, which will be right the next time it’s June 18, 1997.)

    Anyway IMHO Parker’s column was wildly overstated, and for corroboration, instead of Goldberg, I can point to larison.

  46. 46.

    [delurk]...[/delurk]

    November 19, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    If I were going to call Jindal a "terrorist," I’d be thinking Tamil Tigers, but then I’m handicapped by a little knowledge.

    And you know what they say about "A Little Knowledge."

  47. 47.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    November 19, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    OT – but recycling at its finest, a buddhist temple built out of heineken bottles….. apols if this has already been linked.

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/10/temple-built-from-beer-bottles.php

  48. 48.

    Doctor Science

    November 19, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Like Doug @15, I’ve noticed that Right Blogistan is more likely to have no comments (or a restricted commentariat, as at AmConMag) than Left Blogistan. My gut reaction is that this reflects their respective authoritarian versus communitarian politics, in a medium-is-the-political-message kind of way. However, note that MarKos Hisself thinks that dailyKos grew so big because Left Blogistan was growing anyway, not because dkos’ many-to-many structure was particularly lefty by nature.

  49. 49.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    November 19, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    MikeL – Rush is now referring to him as "Barack the merciful" because you know Rush is well, you know Rush. Oh and the entire recession thing is Obama’s fault, cause the markets started tanking the day Obama was elected so it MUST be Obama’s fault, cause IT IS SO THERE.

  50. 50.

    gbear

    November 19, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Everything was Clinton’s fault until 1996. Then it was the Congressional Democrats’ fault until Nov. 3 of this year. All Obama’s fault after that. Who else could it be? What other player has there been in all of this mess?

    The analogy is backwards, but this complaint always reminds me of Spinal Tap putting down their opening act by saying that the crowd was still booing the opening band when Tap stepped onto the onstage. The wingnuts seem to have a slight problem with perception, cause and effect.

    I thought you had comments so we could bitch at you for not posting our pet photos.

    Yes, that’s definitely the message that I try to send subliminally every time I post a comment. …josie and halley…josie and halley…

  51. 51.

    gbear

    November 19, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    @Comrade Stuck:

    Sweet Jeebus, Holy Joe is schmoozing with Katie Couric with his patented whine about all the vicious partisanship.

    How the fuck can he walk straight from being the benefactor of one of the most stupidly generous non-partisan acts of kindness in modern history to the tv studio to bitch about how we all can’t get along (meaning we all can’t agree to do it the republican way)? What the hell is he on? Total fucking jerk.

    If he keeps on like this he’s going to have to start watching out for pianos and safes being moved out of tall buidings by cut-rate block and tackle crews. Kind of like these guys.

  52. 52.

    gbear

    November 19, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    The question is, could this thread be any deader, and the answer is ‘none’. It could be none deader.

  53. 53.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 19, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    @gbear:

    What the hell is he on? Total fucking jerk.

    Joe is a legend in his own mind. Just ask him.

  54. 54.

    Eric U.

    November 19, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    I’m fairly fluent in Hindi curse words, and I know a few Bengali curse words too. Apparently on a recent episode of House, he said "your mama" in Hindi. In comparison to most of the Indians I know, Jindal is fairly light skinned, but he does have a fairly scary expression most of the time. The Catholic Church has a number of schools in India. Most students don’t convert from what I can tell, but they do have some religious indoctrination.

  55. 55.

    Abe Fucking Lincoln

    November 19, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    I feel nauseous saying this, but I agree with JG’s first quoted paragraph – Parker is a whiny bitch about all the nasty emails she’s gotten. And really, what is she getting credit for, acknowledging that the sky is blue and Palin is a moron? She probably is just running toward positive reinforcement and looking for new career opportunities in the process. It’s a pivot to the center, as they say.

  56. 56.

    Charity

    November 19, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    I kept hearing all these Repubs after the election saying how Jindal was their best hope in 2012. And I thought, "You all just spent the last year talking about scary brown people, what makes you think anyone will ever vote for Jindal just because you say they should?"

    They don’t realize the Joe the Sixpackenstein Monster they created is on the loose and throwing little girls in the river.

  57. 57.

    Left Coast Tom

    November 19, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    @DougJ…if you’re the same DougJ commenting in Ericka’s thread, you’re having way too much fun.

  58. 58.

    Indylib

    November 19, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    @ppcli:

    No doubt, from time to time someone might try to point out that Jindal was a hindu before he converted to Falwellist Christianity

    He converted to Catholicism while in high school acording to Wiki.

    Well hell, should have read 1 comment further.

  59. 59.

    Delia

    November 19, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    And really, what is she getting credit for, acknowledging that the sky is blue and Palin is a moron?

    You have to remember you’re talking about someone who’s been living in Wingerville for years. Acknowledging simple reality is a big step for her. It’s not the same as for you and me who do these things routinely. She’s just finding out that, yes, indeed, the sky is blue, Palin is a moron, and when you say these things in print all your former fans call you nasty names. Now she’s just seeing how far she can go. It’s her first real encounter with the reality-based community in years.

  60. 60.

    Comrade Stuck

    November 19, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    The Pups are awake and ready for mayhem.

  61. 61.

    gbear

    November 19, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    @Comrade Stuck:

    Oh thanks. Five minutes and I’m totally addicted even though the pups are mostly asleep right now.

    Here’s a weird video. Bush goes thru a reception line at the G-20 get-together, and NOT ONE of the other participants will shake his hand. I wonder if he’s coming to the realization that he’s going to go out looking like a fool.

  62. 62.

    crshedd

    November 20, 2008 at 12:05 am

    And just like that, the thread is over.

    and yet, it isn’t.

  63. 63.

    Jess

    November 20, 2008 at 1:01 am

    I thought you had comments to keep me from finishing my grading…

    By the way, do any of you know why Andrew Sullivan doesn’t have comments? He occasionally raises really interesting issues for discussion–but then there’s no discussion. So I have to make do with you lot of snarky wankers instead…

  64. 64.

    Delia

    November 20, 2008 at 1:26 am

    Lots of late night puppy cuddling going on NOW.

  65. 65.

    Brick Oven Bill

    November 20, 2008 at 2:37 am

    Comments are the great equalizer.

  66. 66.

    ppcli

    November 20, 2008 at 3:00 am

    No doubt, from time to time someone might try to point out that Jindal was a hindu before he converted to Falwellist Christianity

    In reply to some of the comments above, I should say that I meant "Falwellist Christianity" not to mean any specific denomination – I knew his conversion was to Catholicism – but rather as a style of Christian: public, aggressively politically involved, ostentatious, etc.

  67. 67.

    bago

    November 20, 2008 at 3:26 am

    The excorcismo kind.

  68. 68.

    Siryn

    November 20, 2008 at 10:35 am

    Jindal will drive Appalachia nuts. Palin is going to exploit that as much as she can, the same way she started rumors that her predecessor as Mayor of Wasilla was not really married and therefore living in sin with his wife, and questioning his Christianity.

  69. 69.

    Tim Fuller

    November 20, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Sullivan sucks for not having comments. Just my opinion.

    Enjoy.

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