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You are here: Home / Let the impeachment proceedings begin

Let the impeachment proceedings begin

by DougJ|  January 20, 20091:42 pm| 165 Comments

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Drudge/Breibart/Fournier are pimping the “Obama flubbed the oath” meme that we’re sure to hear a lot about from the Village and Wingnuttia:

Chief Justice John Roberts swore in President-elect Barack Obama as president of the United States on Tuesday, helping him through a slight stumble in the first of what could be many important interactions between two men who rose to their positions of power quickly and who have some background similaritities, but whose politics differ.

TPM has the correct details: Roberts misstated the oath slightly and Obama noticed (link corrected).

Clearly, this means that the inauguration is not valid according to a strict interpretation of Article 5 of the Constitution. I believe that, technically, this means that Ted Stevens is now acting president “until such time as the oath is properly administered”.

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  1. 1.

    cleek

    January 20, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    BFD. if anyone there had any objections, they would’ve simply re-administered the oath after the ceremonies were over.

    fuck Drudge.

  2. 2.

    BDeevDad

    January 20, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Obama gave Roberts the Spock raised eyebrow during the oath to show he was not pleased.

  3. 3.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    January 20, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2009/01/the-inuagural-o.html

  4. 4.

    NR

    January 20, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    How long do you think it’ll be until PUMAs and wingnuts start saying that Obama isn’t really President because he didn’t recite the oath of office correctly? I’ve got six hours; you want the over, or the under?

  5. 5.

    4tehlulz

    January 20, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Dear Righttards: No one cares about this.

  6. 6.

    Tattoosydney

    January 20, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    @NR:

    I’d guess under an hour (if not already).

  7. 7.

    mellowjohn

    January 20, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    besides, the oath of office can’t valid because obama never produced a valid birth certificate to prove to wingnut satisfaction that he wasn’t born in kenya or indonesia or somewhere out in the orion cluster.

  8. 8.

    Objective Scrutator

    January 20, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Of course, he did that on purpose just to keep the rightfully-elected President Obama out of office, and keep George W. Bush in office. Now, George W. Bush is going to be reinstating NSPD 51! Run for your lives!

    Silly Leftists.

  9. 9.

    El Cid

    January 20, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    I need a VAULT COPY of Obama’s oath!!!

  10. 10.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    January 20, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Here’s a video of the swearing-in, for those interested:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdvhQhNIq34

    Also, just heard that John Cornyn R-Texas wants to hold up Clinton’s confirmation. Woohoo, post-partisanship!

  11. 11.

    gypsy howell

    January 20, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    I just want to know what was in the box Michelle gave the LauraBot2000.

    Carton of Newports and a year’s worth of Xanax?

  12. 12.

    robertdsc

    January 20, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Dear Righttards: No one cares about this.

    When has that stopped them?

  13. 13.

    MR Bill

    January 20, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    You know, as I heard the stumbles, I thought "some idiot rightblogger will claim that this invalidates the Obama Presidency..Nahh, they couldn’t be that stupid."
    I should know by know that stupidity is boundless…

  14. 14.

    Tattoosydney

    January 20, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Slightly OT.

    The Shabbiest Moment in the Obama Inauguration Address [Jonathan Foreman]

    was when he did his shout out to the military and referred to those sacrificing for freedom at Concord, Gettysburg, Normandy, and Khe Sanh… but avoided mention of not just Iraq but also Afghanistan. It doubt it will have won him friends among today’s military…

    Jonathan Foreman is a dickhead.

    As we consider the road that unfolds before us, we remember with humble gratitude those brave Americans who, at this very hour, patrol far-off deserts and distant mountains. They have something to tell us today, just as the fallen heroes who lie in Arlington whisper through the ages. We honor them not only because they are guardians of our liberty, but because they embody the spirit of service; a willingness to find meaning in something greater than themselves.

  15. 15.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 20, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    @MR Bill: You know, as I heard the stumbles, I thought "some idiot rightblogger will claim that this invalidates the Obama Presidency..Nahh, they couldn’t be that stupid."

    I thought the same thing, except for the Nahh and the stuff after that.

  16. 16.

    Ash Can

    January 20, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Like I said in the other thread, I was able to use the flub as an immediate teaching lesson for my son. ("See? EVERYONE makes mistakes!") The almighty FSM sent us that flub for a reason. ;D

  17. 17.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    January 20, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    Here’s a video of the swearing-in:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdvhQhNIq34

    Also, in the spirit of our Post-Partisan Era, a Republican is holding up Clinton’s confirmation.

  18. 18.

    KRK

    January 20, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    DougJ, your link to TPM just goes to their page with the (stupid) AP article. The TPM discussion of how it was really Roberts who flubbed is here.

  19. 19.

    Not My Fault

    January 20, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    There has been a ton of discussion about this. "Roberts is an asshole!" "Obama is an idiot!"

    meh.

    What it looked like to me was that Roberts thought that the first phrase would be: "I, BHO do solemnly swear" and Obama though Roberts was breaking after "I BHO"

    They stepped on each other’s lines at that point, and for the rest of the oath they were both off balance. No conspiracy, and no gross incompetence. Just nerves.

    Now, the "so help me god" bit at the end seems to be Robert’s invention. Asshole.

  20. 20.

    J.D. Rhoades

    January 20, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    How long do you think it’ll be until PUMAs and wingnuts start saying that Obama isn’t really President because he didn’t recite the oath of office correctly? I’ve got six hours; you want the over, or the under?

    I think it started within 60 seconds after Roberts flubbed it.

  21. 21.

    Reverend Dennis

    January 20, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    I just looked in the garage and I still don’t have a battery powered car. So I checked my bank balance and I’m still not wealthy. After all of the time that Obama has been President I have to say that I’m thoroughly disappointed. Impeach!

  22. 22.

    J.D. Rhoades

    January 20, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    As we consider the road that unfolds before us, we remember with humble gratitude those brave Americans who, at this very hour, patrol far-off deserts and distant mountains.

    OMFG! Obama just threw the Navy under the bus!

  23. 23.

    Darius

    January 20, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    They really are children, aren’t they?

  24. 24.

    Reverend Dennis

    January 20, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    @J.D. Rhoades:
    As a Navy vet, I feel that I’ve been slapped in the face.

  25. 25.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    January 20, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    @Tattoosydney: Other than the fact that he gave the entire currently serving military a shout out: yeah. These guys just want to be outraged at something. It’s all they know.

  26. 26.

    KRK

    January 20, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    They stepped on each other’s lines at that point, and for the rest of the oath they were both off balance. No conspiracy, and no gross incompetence. Just nerves.

    There was the stepping on lines, and then Roberts got the word order wrong. It should be "… faithfully execute…" but he said "…execute…faithfully." Which also threw Obama off.

    Now, the "so help me god" bit at the end seems to be Robert’s invention. Asshole.

    It had already been reported that it was Obama’s request to add this phrase. Apparently it’s been tacked on the end since Washington.

  27. 27.

    Michael D.

    January 20, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    While I have no reason to believe that Roberts might have fumbled, there’s nothing I can see in the TPM story that says so. Am I missing it?

  28. 28.

    Englischlehrer

    January 20, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    I’m watching from Germany on CNN and there are some gasbags on that channel. I wish they had Jane Hamsher or Arianna Huffington on that panel.

  29. 29.

    rawshark

    January 20, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    The TPM page is here

    The previous two links were incorrect, sort of.

  30. 30.

    KRK

    January 20, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    @Michael D.:

    That’s why I pointed out [email protected] that DougJ’s link isn’t going where he thinks it is.

  31. 31.

    Face

    January 20, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    @On the stumbly-bumbly oath of office « tangents and digressions: Glad to see you can link to this site. Too much to ask that you can actually spell it correctly on your blog-roll?

    Dumas.

  32. 32.

    KRK

    January 20, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    @rawshark:

    Thanks. I suck at links.

  33. 33.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 20, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    TPM has the correct details: Roberts misstated the oath slightly and Obama noticed.

    I should have known Obama would be checking its kerning on the fly. What a guy.

  34. 34.

    BDeevDad

    January 20, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    Also, he doesn’t know his history. "Forty-four Americans have now taken the presidential oath," Obama said. Actually, Grover Cleveland is counted twice so the number is 43. Bush was so much smarter.

  35. 35.

    JL

    January 20, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Jake Tapper at abc is a jerk!
    I

    ‘m no fashion expert, but the dress and coat combo is lovely. However, I didn’t love Mrs. Obama’s green leather gloves she paired with them. Any thoughts?

  36. 36.

    MikeJ

    January 20, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    I thought it sort of petty when Roberts added "whitey" in an attempt to bait Obama into repeating it.

  37. 37.

    Sebastien

    January 20, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Hey ! Don’t impeach him before our President has the time to milk a photo-op with him as he did with Bush (fun fact: the shot was framed so that our Shorter Napoleon looked nearly as tall as the Fratboy-in-chief.)

  38. 38.

    Zzyzx

    January 20, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    I’m not sure what time this was done due to timezone issues but…

  39. 39.

    Xel

    January 20, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    I thought the stumbling was pretty nice. Here Obama defeats a Clinton and then takes everything thrown against Gore and Kerry (and even more) and wins by seven percent, probably heralding the end of the Reagan’s Rules era.

    And then two mess-ups in the oath with his wife barely able to keep her smile from turning into a grin.

    Thousands of schoolchildren will never be afraid of messing up during future speaking assignment.

  40. 40.

    Tattoosydney

    January 20, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    @Zzyzx:

    RosemaryWoodhouse got there earlier, but with an unexpected (and stupidly wrong) meme.

    ( I know I am shouting) WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STATEMENT “TO PROTECT (THE CONSTITUTION) FROM ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC”?

    Biden was asked to repeat it, and did. Obama was not asked to swear to it and did not.

    Duh.

    Each president recites the following oath, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution:

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

  41. 41.

    Joshua Norton

    January 20, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    When Harding died, Vice President Coolidge took the presidential oath of office in his own house and it was administered by his father who was a notary public. He didn’t even use a bible as it is not the practice in Vermont or Massachusetts to use a Bible in connection with the administration of an oath.

    Since none of the present day wingnutz can verify if he used the correct wording and there weren’t the obvious pandering, psuedo-religiousocity involved, I guess he was never really president, either.

  42. 42.

    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford

    January 20, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Hillaryis44.com is genius. The spoofs behind that site have really got their mojo going today.

  43. 43.

    Dave S.

    January 20, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Breaking News: Roberts will produce a John Yoo memorandum outlining his ability to alter the oath of office at will under the Unitary Chief Justice Theory. Also, the Bush family helicopter has apparently reversed course.

  44. 44.

    JL

    January 20, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    @Zzyzx: I left a nice reply but it is awaiting the moderator.

  45. 45.

    Rick Taylor

    January 20, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Uhhh, that link you gave to TPM does not have the correct details. It says Roberts helped Obama over an awkward moment, not that Roberts mis-stated the oath himself.

  46. 46.

    Maus

    January 20, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    I’m not sure what time this was done due to timezone issues but…

    Isn’t TexasDarlin’ one of the more racist posters from HillaryIs44? I remember her being one of the less tolerable PUMAs.

  47. 47.

    mak

    January 20, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    I was kinda hoping Obama would leave at least one black glove on during the oath. A raised, black-gloved hand would’ve been supreme, but I would have settled for the one on the Lincoln bible (which would, of course, have islamo-magically converted it into a Koran).

  48. 48.

    Maus

    January 20, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Hillaryis44.com is genius. The spoofs behind that site have really got their mojo going today.

    I doubt it’s a spoof site, but they sure do use those reactionary idiots to spam a lot of prescription penis pill ads.

  49. 49.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    January 20, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    @Rick Taylor: You are wrong, sir. Roberts omitted the word "faithfully" from the oath. Obama stopped and gave him a chance to correct it. Roberts still put it in the wrong spot. Text of oath.

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    Here’s the video.

  50. 50.

    Sebastien

    January 20, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    I hate both time lags and my job for having missed that… Now, Ted Stanger, an american journalist living in France and asked to comment on the event had what could be a nice shorter of Obama’s speech: it’s as if he had put his hand on America’s shoulder and said: "You’re still number one, buddy. We’ll just have some work to do together."

    Edit: how many dead by cranial explosion when he used his full name in the oath ?

  51. 51.

    Zam

    January 20, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    I personally think Obama flubbed it on purpose. That way when he brings up something like healthcare reform they are all too busy looking through obscure legal tomes to get behind an opposition movement.

  52. 52.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    January 20, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    I tried to post this before, but I guess it got re-routed to wherever the "whitey" tape is:

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2009/01/the-inuagural-o.html

    Also here’s a video of the inauguration:

    Video

  53. 53.

    mellowjohn

    January 20, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    gypsy howell @ #10…
    it was a lovely parting gift. a set of collier’s encyclopedia, a year’s supply of rice-a-roni, and the home version of "the white house game."

  54. 54.

    Anton Sirius

    January 20, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    All hail President Kang Biden!

  55. 55.

    JL

    January 20, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    @Zzyzx: That site that you linked to now has this post…

    OK. After reviewing the instant replay, Obama did flub the oath by responding with his name too soon. What I didn’t realize was that the Chief Justice offered the second line of the oath incorrectly, which caused Obama to fumble again. The question is…did Obama’s flub cause the Chief Justice’s OR could the Chief Justice have done it intentionally to avoid inaugurating a usurper?
    I ask this because Chris Wallace on FOX News just mentioned that due to the oath being administered and recited incorrectly, Obama did NOT take the oath required by the Constitution and therefore, technically, may NOT be officially installed as President.
    I know it is really nothing. But, it sure would be great if this was some kind of master SCOTUS plan!

    There are crazy whackos over at that site. Geee and is Chris Wallace really playing along with this garbage?

  56. 56.

    AkaDad

    January 20, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    If impeachment isn’t successful, we’ll always have Palin in 2012 to fix everything.

    /optimist

  57. 57.

    oh really

    January 20, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    If we can’t trust Roberts to recite a thirty-seven word oath correctly (and reading it is not cheating!), how can we trust him to remember what’s in the Constitution?

  58. 58.

    TheFountainHead

    January 20, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    I thought the 20th Amendment fully and completely pulled this oath’s teeth a long time ago? Not that it should matter in the slightest that they flubbed the order of the words…

  59. 59.

    Zam

    January 20, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    @AkaDad: I thought she planned to run again in 2009 ;)

  60. 60.

    BombIranForChrist

    January 20, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    I really, really hope the crazies (Republicans) try to make something of this flub. It will give them even less credibility in the mind of most Americans, just as Obama starts getting his agenda going.

    The more crazy they sound, the better it is for Obama. So keep it up, Drudge. Your movement isn’t completely dead, but with luck, you will keep trying.

  61. 61.

    David Hunt

    January 20, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    I’m not sure what time this was done due to timezone issues but…

    Based on the times at the bottom of the comments, I’d say that the guy posted it at 1:06 EST. However, I’m sure that evidence could eventually be found that someone was typing comments like that before the oath was finished being administered. I’m interested in when one of the Serious conservative voices picks up the meme.

  62. 62.

    Joshua Norton

    January 20, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Chris Wallace on FOX News just mentioned that due to the oath being administered and recited incorrectly, Obama did NOT take the oath required by the Constitution and therefore, technically, may NOT be officially installed as President.

    Can’t really get mad when a snake does what a snake does. It’s just when the loony tunes 28%er’s start regurgitating the same crap thinking they’re actually being intellectual that it really gets pathetic.

    Also, anyone who up until now has added "so help me God" is reciting it incorrectly as well and may "technically" not have been president either.

  63. 63.

    AkaDad

    January 20, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    It’s a good thing I wasn’t there or I would have thrown my shoes.

  64. 64.

    TheFountainHead

    January 20, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    CNN reporting Ted Kennedy may have collapsed during the luncheon…

  65. 65.

    JL

    January 20, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    @Joshua Norton: Good point! I just plagiarized your comment and posted it at the right wing site. Of course, I’m in moderation again.
    Drudge now says that both Obama and Roberts flubbed.

  66. 66.

    Face

    January 20, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    There are crazy whackos over at that site. Geee and is Chris Wallace really playing along with this garbage?

    Cole’s said this a million times, and I’ll repeat it: it’s all about illegitimaticizing the Obama Preznitsee. The Fake Birth Cert was the same thing. Use anything and everything to show the ‘necks that Pres. Scary Negro really isn’t the President, and he’s not to be listened to.

  67. 67.

    BDeevDad

    January 20, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    I can see the arguments at the Supreme Court now:

    You see Chief Justice Roberts, it was not your fault that Barack Hussein Obama did not state the oath of office correctly even thugh you messed up the wording. He should have embarrassed you in front of a few billion people around the world. That is why you should remove him from office.

  68. 68.

    Chris Johnson

    January 20, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    I would bet money that the guy intentionally offered it incorrectly as a trap for Obama- but nobody’s ever going to admit it, plus it’s goddamned petty and picayune.

    How would he possibly get the Supreme Court to rule that the oath was wrong and Obama isn’t really president when he himself screwed it up in the first place?

    FAIL.

  69. 69.

    Zifnab

    January 20, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    *yawn* Seriously, if this is the best they’ve got, I’ll continue to be incredibly disappointed in Republican fear-mongering and smear-mongering for the next 8 years.

    Please make this the new "Obama Birth Certificate" conspiracy theory, if only because it will make the wingers look that much more deranged.

  70. 70.

    Louise

    January 20, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    What happened to Teddy? Obama, speaking at the luncheon, has just said that "our prayers are with his family and Vicky."

  71. 71.

    bvac

    January 20, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Ted Kennedy collapsed at the inaugural luncheon. That’s not change I can believe in!

  72. 72.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 20, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    @BDeevDad: Actually, Grover Cleveland is counted twice so the number is 43.

    I think Obama was being all Zen or something, acknowledging that the Grover Cleveland who took the oath the second time was not really the same man as the Grover Cleveland who took it the first time. Like how you can never cross the same river twice.

  73. 73.

    JL

    January 20, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    @Louise: CNN is saying that he had a seizure.

  74. 74.

    demkat620

    January 20, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    I love the smell of desperation in the morning. Smells like…victory.

  75. 75.

    The Moar You Know

    January 20, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Ted Kennedy collapsed at the inaugural luncheon.

    I’m sure the usual suspects will treat this with their standard compassion that we’ve all become accustomed to.

  76. 76.

    Arachnae

    January 20, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Heh – the AP story is now correct. Guess they actually, you know, watched the tape.

  77. 77.

    Face

    January 20, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Ted Kennedy collapsed at the inaugural luncheon. That’s not change I can believe in!

    A year ago the funny would have been a too-many Crown n’ Cokes joke here, but the probable cause kinda zaps the humor.

  78. 78.

    Geeno

    January 20, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    I doubt Roberts flubbed it deliberately. He has a reputation for being very affable personally. Of course, he’s still a complete dickhead, ideologically.

  79. 79.

    Yelli

    January 20, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    Has anyone seen this?

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/01/bush_and_the_bushhaters.html

    Comparing the attacks on Bush from the media to attacks on Lincoln from the media? Come on folks…Is this a joke?

  80. 80.

    TheFountainHead

    January 20, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    This ceremonial troop inspection is a little hokey, no? I mean, where are the Abrams?

  81. 81.

    John Cole

    January 20, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    @Yelli: That is from JR Dunn of the American Thinker, so yes, it is a joke, just not the way you probably mean.

  82. 82.

    AkaDad

    January 20, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Comparing the attacks on Bush from the media to attacks on Lincoln from the media? Come on folks…Is this a joke?

    Everyone knows the media went all John Wilkes Booth on Bush.

  83. 83.

    BethanyAnne

    January 20, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    If he isn’t *really* president for the next 4 years, I say he can run in 2012 *and* 2016. It’s like the Iraq "victory". When a wingnut says we have won, I say "Great! That means we can leave now, right?"

  84. 84.

    John Cole

    January 20, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    This ceremonial troop inspection is a little hokey, no? I mean, where are the Abrams?

    Any reason to play Stars and Stripes Forever is reason enough for me.

  85. 85.

    TenguPhule

    January 20, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    Comparing the attacks on Bush from the media to attacks on Lincoln from the media? Come on folks…Is this a joke?

    No. SATSQ.

  86. 86.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 20, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    @John Cole: Any reason to play Stars and Stripes Forever is reason enough for me.

    Have I actually found another John Philip Sousa fan?

    Or is it just that one song you dig?

  87. 87.

    Zifnab

    January 20, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    @AkaDad:

    Everyone knows the media went all John Wilkes Booth on Bush.

    That’s just another example of conflict between Big Hollywood and conservative GOP values.

  88. 88.

    John Cole

    January 20, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    @Xecky Gilchrist: I love Sousa.

  89. 89.

    TheHatOnMyCat

    January 20, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    Roberts flubbed the oath, and should be impeached.

    Obama corrected him. Fitting that we get our first SCOTUS appointment in the first month of the new term.

    I assume that someone else has already said this by this point in the thread?

  90. 90.

    John Cole

    January 20, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Did you hear the engine on the limo? There is your tank.

  91. 91.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 20, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    @John Cole: I love Sousa.

    I’ll be dunked. I never knew anyone else did. I thought they just recorded Sousa CDs so people would have suitable background music for 4th of July picnics.

  92. 92.

    Rick Taylor

    January 20, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    @The Grand Panjandrum:

    I’m very well aware of that, and wasn’t saying otherwise. I said that TPM made a mistake. My quote: "Uhhh, that link you gave to TPM does not have the correct details." The link DougJ gave to TPM said that Roberts helped Obama get over an awkward moment. DougJ said TPM gave the correct details, and I was pointing out there was a problem with the link he gave.

  93. 93.

    demimondian

    January 20, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    @Xecky Gilchrist: Whaddya mean? Dude, Sousa is awesome — a combination of subtle impertinence and unapologetic pep. Quintessentially American.

  94. 94.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 20, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    @demimondian: Whaddya mean? Dude, Sousa is awesome—a combination of subtle impertinence and unapologetic pep. Quintessentially American.

    I’m not alone! Joyful Sob!

    Next thing you know, I’ll be scoring a neti pot.

  95. 95.

    AhabTRuler

    January 20, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    @Xecky Gilchrist: Not alone by a long shot. It’s Sousa, Neti pots, and light boxes all around!

  96. 96.

    Dave S.

    January 20, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Put me down as a Sousa lover as well. Years ago I worked across from the Marine Barracks in DC and got to listen to the band practice. They also lead off the neighborhood July 4th parade that starts right outside the barracks.

    Demimondian @91 nails it – quintessentially American.

  97. 97.

    SGEW

    January 20, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    I gotta admit that I can’t help but think of Monty Python’s Flying Circus whenever I hear pretty much any Sousa tune.

  98. 98.

    Laura W

    January 20, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    @AhabTRuler: I think you are forgetting our new little cruciferous friend, aren’t you?
    (That was you, right?)

  99. 99.

    Objective Scrutator

    January 20, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Any reason to play Stars and Stripes Forever is reason enough for me.

    Normally, I’d agree, but he just so happens to be a false idol.

  100. 100.

    mellowjohn

    January 20, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    SGEW,
    it’s "the liberty bell" that opens monty python, but you’re right: pretty much any sousa march does it for me.
    when i was a kid, my father was a big sousa fan, and he’d put on old 78s for us to march around the house. been pretty much a marching band geek ever since.

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    Napoleon

    January 20, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    @John Cole:

    http://features.csmonitor.com/wp-content/themes/csm/popup.php?headline=Obama%26%238217%3Bs+new+limo+-+ugly+but+it+can+fend+off+asteroids&subhead=&graphic=http%3A%2F%2Ffeatures.csmonitor.com%2Fpolitics%2Fwp-content%2Fassets%2F19%2F744%2Fgraphic0.jpg

  102. 102.

    AhabTRuler

    January 20, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    @Laura W: That was me, and I’ve got a new tip: Try adding fresh ginger root and a jalapeño to the mix. It doesn’t overwhelm the flavor and it adds a little tang n’ zing.

  103. 103.

    demimondian

    January 20, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    @Napoleon: I thought that the driver was the "other" SS agent in the car? The CIA doesn’t train them; separation of control is an aspect of security there.

  104. 104.

    Laura W

    January 20, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    @AhabTRuler: I LOVE fresh ginger root. I would never think to add it to the sprouts. Might pass on the pepper. I used pine nuts in the last batch I made (two huge bags that I literally just finished two hours ago)…you want to use the pinenuts. I screwed up, of course, and forgot to sautee with sweet onion. The sweet onion is crucial to the cruciferous cr……
    Please insert some clever word that fits in there.

    I am very happy that the Obamas did not take the girls on the parade walk with them.

  105. 105.

    Tattoosydney

    January 20, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Bah! Now the Usurper has cruelly left his children behind in the car. IASITF! Why does Obama hate Sasha and Malia?

  106. 106.

    Laura W

    January 20, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    @Tattoosydney:

    Why does Obama hate Sasha and Malia?

    They’re girls, silly.

  107. 107.

    Tattoosydney

    January 20, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    @Laura W:

    and they’re a quarter white.

  108. 108.

    libarbarian

    January 20, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    He’s not President. End of story. He misstated the oath and therefore the US has no president. Anarchy reigns.

    I LOVE fresh ginger root. I would never think to add it to the sprouts.

    When my fresh root sprouts I love to add it to Ginger as well.

  109. 109.

    Laura W

    January 20, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    @Tattoosydney: Winner!

  110. 110.

    Face

    January 20, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    @Dave S.: How they can have the first Black prez and not have the orchestra bust out a Public Enemy tune makes the whole thing a sham.

    BTW, where did all the Jakes go? Weren’t there like 5 different Jakes here not too long ago? Everyone grab a new handle?

  111. 111.

    Kirk Spencer

    January 20, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    Gah. Oh, I like some Sousa, but having been stuck as part of a production of Desiree… no. I like some Sousa, but cannot call myself a devoted fan.

  112. 112.

    Comrade Darkness

    January 20, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    @Darius,

    Yes. It’s the explanation that carries through every disturbed facet of them. Right down to not caring if you throw all your toys (banks) around the playroom (market) because mommy and daddy will come and fix them or buy you new ones. And beyond this mystery adult who will bail them out, there is always the sky daddy who must be appeased because in the end times he will swoop in and take them to the great playroom in the sky, stopping only to spank anyone who called them names.

    Makes me nauseous to imagine they’ve been in charge of anything more than a lemonade stand.

  113. 113.

    Tattoosydney

    January 20, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    @Laura W:

    small bow. blush.

  114. 114.

    The Moar You Know

    January 20, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    Have I actually found another John Philip Sousa fan?

    @Xecky Gilchrist: Add another to the list. As a four-year marching band survivor, I am not sure that "fan" would be the right term, but close enough.

  115. 115.

    John Cole

    January 20, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Add another to the list. As a four-year marching band survivor, I am not sure that “fan” would be the right term, but close enough.

    Did you know that 90% of high school students are sexually active?

    The other ten percent are in the marching band.

  116. 116.

    SGEW

    January 20, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    How they can have the first Black prez and not have the orchestra bust out a Public Enemy tune makes the whole thing a sham.

    "Power To The People," ftw.

  117. 117.

    Laura W

    January 20, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    @John Cole: Ha! We’ll have to direct Little Brit Different to this thread when she shows up later tonight.

  118. 118.

    kommrade reproductive vigor

    January 20, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    @JL: Yes. My thought is Jake Tapper is a such a big fucking idiot that the words big fucking idiot don’t even come close to conveying the vastness of his fucking idiocy.

  119. 119.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    January 20, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    @John Cole: Did you know that 90% of high school students are sexually active? The other ten percent are in the marching band.

    Ha! That explains some things.

    Well, one thing, anyway.

  120. 120.

    jrosen

    January 20, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    @John Cole

    I played in the Boston Pops for 20 seasons and so probably have heard (or played) the Stars and Stripes (to us it was just "Stars") several hundred times and I still like it. Partly because it was always the last encore and meant that the thing was over. But seriously…Sousa was a fine craftsman and all of his popular marches are well made and so wear well. My favorite is still "Semper Fidelis"…the melody of the second part is nothing but four notes of an F major chord like a bugle call. It takes a master to make that work.

    And I do wish the gripers and groaners would hold their water for a day or two…maybe a couple of hours?

  121. 121.

    Anne Elk (Miss)

    January 20, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Have I actually found another John Philip Sousa fan?

    When you major in music and play the flute, your wind ensemble time includes lots of Sousa.
    It’s much more technically demanding than most people would think (ie, the piccolo solo in Stars and Stripes!!)
    and very challenging to play correctly in a stylistic sense (as opposed to just playing the right notes at the right time).
    Our college wind ensemble spent long rehearsals on getting the style right.
    Washington Post is a lot better than The Washington Post, no?

  122. 122.

    gnomedad

    January 20, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    @Napoleon:

    **presidential limo graphic**

    I didn’t realise the Brits actually spell it "aluminium".

  123. 123.

    RememberNovember

    January 20, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Obama became President at 12 noon today, regardless of CJ Howdy Doody’s flubs.

    Roberts was a Bush pick, nothing more need be said.

  124. 124.

    John Cole

    January 20, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Sousa makes you happy.

    There can never be enough Sousa.

    Not to mention, I am German, and martial music is in my blood.

  125. 125.

    Dreggas

    January 20, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    @John Cole:

    I call bullshit but then again saxophone players make better kissers so we always got some.

  126. 126.

    binzinerator

    January 20, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    @Not My Fault:

    Now, the "so help me god" bit at the end seems to be Robert’s invention. Asshole.

    Another goddamn libtard judicial activist. A judge should apply the text as it is written and no further, like all true Americans and God-fearin’ conservatives insist.

  127. 127.

    Krista

    January 20, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    Did you know that 90% of high school students are sexually active? The other ten percent are in the marching band.

    Nonsense. I played the freaking glockenspiel, and still managed to get plenty.

  128. 128.

    Joshua Norton

    January 20, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    Now, the "so help me god" bit at the end seems to be Robert’s invention. Asshole.

    It seems that this would make a pretty good case for President Obama to start proceedings to remove Roberts for incompetence. Suck on that, freeptards.

    Hey! I just wrote President Obama for the first time! Kewl!

  129. 129.

    Faux News

    January 20, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    Full disclosure: I have a CD of Sousa marches and I listen to it about every two weeks on the way to work.

    But then again I also listen to Christmas Carols all year round. I get strange looks during June and July when I’m at a stop light and my windows are down.

  130. 130.

    Laura W

    January 20, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    @John Cole: Speaking of happy, are we gonna get a ball thread?
    There can never be enough happy!

  131. 131.

    demimondian

    January 20, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    @Krista: Feh. Listen, if you wanted to get some, being in the choir was *strictly* where it was at.

  132. 132.

    sus

    January 20, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    From RosettaSister’s blog (mostly birfers and mixed nuts):

    justanamericancindy4 Says:
    January 20, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    from another post
    ___________
    Chris Wallace was just commenting that he is unsure if BO is POTUS cause the Oath was not repeated in accordance to the Constitution. He further commented that should that go to SCOTUS, Roberts would surely overlook it..

    I swear there is a lot of things that did not go right today…maybe they wanted to let him go through this to avoid a riot and figure out a way to remove him quietly and without embarassment

    http://rosettasister.wordpress.com/2009/01/20/bloggers-beware-“south-korean-blogger-minerva-acted-alone-say-prosecutors”/

    (note that time/date stamps are always wrong as Rose can’t figure out how to set the time.)

  133. 133.

    The Moar You Know

    January 20, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    The other ten percent are in the marching band.

    @John Cole: You went to the wrong high school. Our band trips were booze and sex orgies.

  134. 134.

    JL

    January 20, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    @sus: I’ve already linked to enough right wing sites today. Somebody else can go tell them to read the Constitution.
    FYI I love a parade!

  135. 135.

    sus

    January 20, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Rose herself chimes in with:

    rosettasister Says:
    January 20, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    From Previous Thread:

    CJ Says:
    January 20, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Wow could it be a sign from God? The Chief Justice and Obama screwed up the oath!! How many times has that ever happened. The words just couldn’t come out right from 2 guys who know the truth. Fox newscaster was joking and wondering if Obama was really the Pres. cause he didn’t say the words written in the Constitution as the oeath. My goodness what irony! Said he’s sure the SC would uphold the Pres is legit if it was ever challenged. Maybe ol Joe is really the Pres. right now. Unbelievable!

    ================

    But, they have a whole new theory over there. Berg has released info about some new secret evidence that will prove Obama is illegal.

    They are a fun bunch. Rosetta’s place, the PUMA movement and TeamSarah. Well… they keep me amused.

  136. 136.

    sus

    January 20, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    The band was having sex orgies?

  137. 137.

    heidi

    January 20, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    I wonder if the author of this pitiful article realizes that the title itself disputes everything that is said in the article? You cannot impeach Obama if he’s not the president, like you claim he isn’t. Oh and by the way, the OATH is what makes him president – he could have read it from a book if he had wanted to. Instead he just recited it CORRECTY despite Roberts’ mistake.

  138. 138.

    Mike in NC

    January 20, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Have I actually found another John Philip Sousa fan?

    Nothing wrong with a little Sousa, but NEVER go on a long road trip with anybody who likes to play CDs of bagpipe music.

  139. 139.

    Ash Can

    January 20, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    John Philip Sousa rocks the house.

  140. 140.

    mellowjohn

    January 20, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    sus…

    and this one time, at band camp………..

  141. 141.

    Mnemosyne

    January 20, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    I am embarrassed to admit I only realized a few years ago that "Stars and Stripes Forever" has actual lyrics and isn’t an instrumental.

  142. 142.

    Blue Raven

    January 20, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    I am embarrassed to admit I only realized a few years ago that "Stars and Stripes Forever" has actual lyrics and isn’t an instrumental.

    And most of us would say they involve ducks.

  143. 143.

    Grumpy Code Monkey

    January 20, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    A french horn player must have royally pissed Sousa off at one point, because the french horn part to every goddamned Sousa march is exactly the same — [rest] dah [rest] dah [rest] dada dah dah — over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Not fun. Hated playing Sousa. Happiest day of my life was moving up to varsity knowing I would never have to play Sousa again.

    And apparently I went to the wrong high school, too.

  144. 144.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    January 20, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    My DH’s first comment to John’s remark was "he can go fuck himself" then on reflection he said "actually he’s right because they are more disciplined and are smarter than to ruin their lives" I think this change of heart comes from his Oregon roots veritably screaming in joy that we have about four inches of snow on the ground here in NC. He keeps going outside and looking at it, then coming back indoors he grins inanely and says "cool".

    Oh and I just knew the birthers/pumas would find conspiracy in the flubb "SEE SEE ROBERTS KNOWS HE IS INELIGIBLE!" while spitting cheetos all over their puter screen.

    It is a great day to be living in the United States. Although I have to admit I concur with several posters over at Wonkette "OMG get back in the fucking car!"

    BTW did anyone else notice when the Obama’s arrived at the reviewing stand and were greeting people Michelle said to someone "we’re back, we’re home" I thought that was awesome.

    Next thing to look forward to Michelle’s dress and the dance "sigh"

  145. 145.

    Xecklothxayyquou Gilchrist

    January 20, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    @Grumpy Code Monkey: the french horn part to every goddamned Sousa march is exactly the same—[rest] dah [rest] dah [rest] dada dah dah—over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Not fun.

    That’s what the sax parts were like, too. The only difference between first chair and the others were which one note you got to play.

    So yeah, can’t say I like playing his stuff, but I like to listen to it. My pity for the horn players just adds a dimension of, how do you say, wistfulness to the experience.

    And apparently I went to the wrong high school, too.

    Heh. There was plenty of shagging going on at mine. Since it was in Utah, much of that stuff ended up in pregnancy/dropout sorts of sadness.

  146. 146.

    Conservatively Liberal

    January 20, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    I love Sousa.

    Did you know that 90% of high school students are sexually active?
     
    The other ten percent are in the marching band.

    John, I love Souza, am a former band geek (6 years, Sousaphone & Upright Tuba and Coronet/Trumpet, parades and all) and you are nuts if you think band geeks are not sexually active.

    Violin players are the best. Take my word for it, I ended up marrying one.

  147. 147.

    Comrade grumpy realist

    January 20, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    Getting back to the whole *oath* thingie…..

    Both my professors in my law school today started out class by pointing out that it was *Roberts* who flubbed the oath…..with commentary about "don’t think you’ve memorized something when you haven’t."

    Snerk!

    (I think we’ll put this one in the basket of "shiny toys to distract Wingnuttia.")

  148. 148.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMIX

    January 21, 2009 at 4:49 am

    Obama corrected him. Fitting that we get our first SCOTUS appointment in the first month of the new term.

    Actually, sweetheart, Obama didn’t correct him, Obama decided to stop, think and go with Robert’s version, but, he did know that it wasn’t correct. I think he did it to save face for the CJ. It doesn’t really matter if the words were in correct order anyway though, right? The words were all there (and CJ’s "so help you God?" at the end was another complete fuck up).

  149. 149.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMIX

    January 21, 2009 at 4:53 am

    A french horn player must have royally pissed Sousa off at one point, because the french horn part to every goddamned Sousa march is exactly the same—[rest] dah [rest] dah [rest] dada dah dah—over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

    You know, I noticed that myself and I never even played the french horn.

  150. 150.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMIX

    January 21, 2009 at 4:55 am

    shiny toys to distract Wingnuttia

    I like it. The fact that it was the creation of a wingnut is even more delicious.

  151. 151.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMIX

    January 21, 2009 at 5:05 am

    I didn’t realise the Brits actually spell it "aluminium".

    Not only do they spell it that way, they say it that way too!

    AL-OO-MINI-UM

  152. 152.

    Tattoosydney

    January 21, 2009 at 6:26 am

    @gnomedad:

    I didn’t realise the Brits actually spell it "aluminium".

    Um… quite a lot of the rest of the world spells and pronounces it "aluminium"…

    In the UK and other countries using British spelling, only aluminium (with an i before -um) is used. In the United States, the spelling aluminium is largely unknown, and the spelling aluminum predominates. The Canadian Oxford Dictionary prefers aluminum, whereas the Australian Macquarie Dictionary prefers aluminium.

    The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) adopted aluminium as the standard international name for the element in 1990, but three years later recognized aluminum as an acceptable variant. Hence their periodic table includes both, but places aluminium first in alphabetical order. IUPAC officially prefers the use of aluminium in its internal publications, although several IUPAC publications use the spelling aluminum.

  153. 153.

    Tattoosydney

    January 21, 2009 at 6:29 am

    @CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMIX:

    In Australia it’s definitely "al-Yoo-mi-ni-um".

  154. 154.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMIX

    January 21, 2009 at 6:33 am

    @Tattoosydney:

    Yoo do that TOO?

  155. 155.

    Tattoosydney

    January 21, 2009 at 6:53 am

    @CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMIX:

    We do. We also say "pissed" when we mean "drunk". And have over 300 slang terms for "to vomit". We’re a classy bunch.

    Anyway… What’s it like over there on the first day of a new presidency?

  156. 156.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMIX

    January 21, 2009 at 6:59 am

    Yes, I know about that "pissed" thing.

    I had an old internet game friend come to the US back in 1999 (we had an online reunion of sorts – I myself traveled about 800 miles for it) and she said to me right after we said our hellos "let’s get pissed" and I was like "HUH?"

    She also introduced me to some kind of pasty, brown, salty like substance that had an aftertaste sort of like petroleum. Gosh, can’t remember what it’s called now.

    It’s still inauguration day to me. I am still in shock, I have not been able to talk myself into sleep yet.

  157. 157.

    R-Jud

    January 21, 2009 at 7:21 am

    @CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMIX:

    She also introduced me to some kind of pasty, brown, salty like substance that had an aftertaste sort of like petroleum. Gosh, can’t remember what it’s called now.

    If she was from Oz, it was Vegemite. If from NZ or the UK, Marmite. Either way: yuck.

  158. 158.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMIX

    January 21, 2009 at 7:23 am

    Vegemite, YES that’s what it was. I haven’t touched the stuff since. LMAO! I agree, YUCK!

  159. 159.

    Tattoosydney

    January 21, 2009 at 7:23 am

    She also introduced me to some kind of pasty, brown, salty like substance that had an aftertaste sort of like petroleum. Gosh, can’t remember what it’s called now.

    Ah, our beloved Vegemite. Some of our cultural icons are an acquired taste – which you will never acquire unless your mother started feeding you vegemite on toast (lightly smeared, of course) when you were two.

    Tim Tams on the other hand translate very well. Buy some. Make a cup of tea. Bite off diagonally opposite corners of a Tim Tam, and then suck hot tea through it. Then get the whole thing in your mouth before it collapses. Repeat. Try to stop eating them. Heaven.

  160. 160.

    R-Jud

    January 21, 2009 at 7:27 am

    @CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMIX: I’ve tried both– they are basically the same thing– and both times couldn’t swallow the stuff and had to brush my teeth afterwards. A lady from my running club swears by Marmite as the bestest pre-run fuel source for long-distance ever. I prefer oatmeal. Even eaten uncooked, it is more palatable than Marmite.

  161. 161.

    CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMIX

    January 21, 2009 at 7:41 am

    Ah, our beloved Vegemite. Some of our cultural icons are an acquired taste

    I’ll say. Nothing against you, but I don’t normally like to put things in my mouth that end up tasting like I just took a sip of gasoline. You can have my share, k? ;)

  162. 162.

    Tattoosydney

    January 21, 2009 at 8:03 am

    @CIRCVS MAXIMVS MMIX:

    Gladly. I gave up trying to convince Americans to taste vegemite as a lost cause years ago.

    Tim Tams on the other hand… Hee.

  163. 163.

    jrosen

    January 21, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Conservatively liberal: Violinists have great hands (a little self-promotion there).
    French horn players: That job goes to the second violins and violas in the orchestra versions…at least they don’t have to march.

    I played piccolo for a year in high school (Samuel R Mumford, Detroit MI. the very same as on Eddie Murphy’s sweatshirt in "Beverly Hills Cop") and never learned to breathe right so I could never get all the way through the long trill in "Stars".

    Just saying: The high point of the parade was the group of Crow Tribe members on horseback in full ceremonial dress.

    Personal note: of the 5 people playing the John Williams music before the oath, I know three (Perlman, Yo Yo Ma, and Williams). A special thrill for me. (Minor note: I thought the piece was a little too long and a little to elaborate for the context (outdoors, at a high point in the ceremony). But the Rainbow Coalition appearance of the players sent a strong message of its own.

    It reminded me a bit of my own family: I have 5 nieces; two are half Latino and half Jewish, two are half black and half-Jewish, and one is the grand-daughter of an Episcopalian minister (and is Jewish because her mother, my sister, is Jewish). My only nephew is also half-Latino; my own and only son is Jewish on both sides, but my grand-daughter’s mother is Rumanian. Are we the world in miniature? I hope so. We at least have genes from all the continents except Australia (maybe the next generation will take care of that.)

  164. 164.

    Paolo

    January 21, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    Oath flub or not, this video demonstrates what the true Obama Agenda holds for America.

    http://tinyurl.com/8mndmw

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