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You are here: Home / Another victory for the Red State Strike Force

Another victory for the Red State Strike Force

by DougJ|  January 26, 20098:47 pm| 48 Comments

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This came in last week:

XXXX:

Call your Senator right now at 202-224-3121 and tell him to oppose Tim Geithner for Treasury Secretary.

Yesterday, Tim Geithner lied to the Senate Finance Committee telling them that the tax program Turbo Tax was to blame for his failure to pay taxes. Prior to that time, Geithner said he simply forgot. At the time he failed to pay his taxes, Geithner signed a statement saying that he would pay his taxes.

If Tim Geithner cannot be honest with the United States Senate with his money, how can he be honest with our money?

Call your Senator right now at 202-224-3121 and tell him to oppose Tim Geithner for Treasury Secretary.

Sincerely yours,


Erick Erickson
Editor,
RedState.com

Today:

Tim Geithner was just approved by the Senate, 60-34…

Yeah, yeah, I know, nothing MoveOn does ever works either. Sorry, I just like making fun of the Red State jackasses.

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  1. 1.

    John Cole

    January 26, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    Just you wait. When the economy goes to hell and we run up 6 trillion in debt over eight years and the Democrats add another expensive entitlement, then you will see they were right to oppose Geithner.

    Oh, yeah. Nevermind.

  2. 2.

    burnspbesq

    January 26, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Conyers subpoena’ed Rove today. He’s supposed to appear next Monday.

    I believe that sound you just heard is the Sergeant-at-Arms of the House strapping on his trusty Glock and preparing to go arrest Karl after he blows off the supboena.

  3. 3.

    NickM

    January 26, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Shorter Red State: Bring it on

    Shorter Reality: 60-34

    Probable Red State response: Win!!1!!

  4. 4.

    DougJ

    January 26, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    What I like is how weak and unconvincing their argument is. MoveOn would have warned that he would bankrupt us all and come up with some pun involving the name “Geithner”, not dithered around about whether or not he used TurboTax.

  5. 5.

    Laura W

    January 26, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Blago on Larry King.
    wheeee….

  6. 6.

    burnspbesq

    January 26, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    @NickM:

    Depends on the objective. If the objective was for the Senate Republicans to signal their intention to act in bad faith every chance they get, then l’affaire Geithner truly is a win.

  7. 7.

    Dork

    January 26, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    If Tim Geithner cannot be honest with the United States Senate with his money, how can he be honest with our money?

    Erick’s outstanding journalistic acumen has clearly taught him not to reuse the same word twice in the same sentence.

  8. 8.

    Incertus

    January 26, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    @burnspbesq: Oh, I don’t know–they only managed to get 34 no votes, and three of those were Dems, four if you include Sanders. I think what that shows is that it’s going to be really tough for McConnell to hold his caucus together, and he’s got very little room for error for at least the next two years.

  9. 9.

    Jennifer

    January 26, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Well, they only lost 7 RINOs (marginally sane individuals), so I’m sure they’ll chalk this up as a "win".

  10. 10.

    JL

    January 26, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    I’m sure this will not surprise regular readers of Balloon Juice but Geithner said that although he used Turbo Tax, Turbo Tax was not the blame, he was. Why does Red State lie?

    Yesterday, Tim Geithner lied to the Senate Finance Committee telling them that the tax program Turbo Tax was to blame for his failure to pay taxes.

  11. 11.

    jibeaux

    January 26, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    You know, I get excited when I see the "Erick Wood Erickson" signature box, but this is kinda lame, really. I demand more crazy in mah crazy! Or at least more stirring militaristic language.

  12. 12.

    dmsilev

    January 26, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    @Laura W:

    Blago on Larry King. wheeee….

    Rachel Maddow just announced that she’ll be interviewing Blago tomorrow. Get the popcorn ready.

    -dms

  13. 13.

    sgwhiteinfla

    January 26, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    DougJ

    Wait, don’t forget that the conservafools and the talking heads blamed the great orange satan and moveon types for preventing torture apologist John Brennan from getting the top gig at the CIA. I mean thats something, right? lol

  14. 14.

    scarpy

    January 26, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    You know, I’m tired of this business about Geithner "blaming" TurboTax for his tax issues. He did not do that. Chuck Grassley asked him what software he used. Geithner replied that he didn’t want to give the impression that he blamed the software. Grassley pressed. Geithner said he took full responsibility for not paying them, then said he used TurboTax, and then again emphasized that the full responsibility was his.

    To be clear, I don’t think a guy who failed to pay taxes should run the IRS, and Geithner gave some disappointing non-answers to a lot of the bailout questions. But this "he blamed TurboTax" crap is bullshit.

    Not that we should be surprised, of course.

  15. 15.

    gogiggs

    January 26, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    I’m confused, doesn’t RedState think taxes are bad and lying to Congress is okay? I guess IOKIYAR

  16. 16.

    Laura W

    January 26, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Rachel Maddow just announced that she’ll be interviewing Blago tomorrow

    and I can not WAIT, based upon the awesome segment (Mr. Blago Goes to the Media) she is doing now to prep us all as to what to expect. She is ruthless, in her adorable, hiding her face in her hands from sheer embarrassment, way.
    Hysterical.

  17. 17.

    SoulCatcher

    January 26, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    I have to disagree with the notion that Move On failed…

    After all, they certainly succeeded in showing how Congress is nothing but a bunch of crying wussies.

    How?

    They ran a newspaper ad.

    Ok…great…lots of groups run newspaper ads.
    But how many have had both the Senate and the House vote to condemn their ad?

    Think about it…a bunch of DFH’s ran a newspaper ad and Congress collectively wet itself and stamped their feet in pussified indignation.

    I wish I had that kind of success in something so simple.

  18. 18.

    Matthew Hooper

    January 26, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Hey, don’t sell MoveOn short. They were hand in glove with the Obama campaign, and did a hellacious amount of the muscle work. They couldn’t coordinate directly with the campaign, mind you, but that just meant that everyone doubled down on their efforts rather than assuming the other guy did it.

    Admittedly, their advertising/grass roots lobbying kinda failed. But their reals strength came in when they organized. (Shh, don’t tell the RedState maroons.)

  19. 19.

    Andre

    January 26, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Interviewing Blago at this point must be just a single step up from interviewing Natascha Kampusch, journalistically speaking. The horror of the situation and your sympathy for an obviously damaged individual are eclipsed by the sheer spectacle they’re making of themselves.

  20. 20.

    Mentis Fugit

    January 26, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    @scarpy:

    To be clear, I don’t think a guy who failed to pay taxes should run the IRS, and Geithner gave some disappointing non-answers to a lot of the bailout questions. But this "he blamed TurboTax" crap is bullshit.

    In short, Red State lie even when the truth would serve their purpose. It’s a reflex.

  21. 21.

    Jay

    January 26, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    Juan Williams called Michelle Obama "Stokely Carmichael in a designer dress" on Orally tonight.

  22. 22.

    John O

    January 26, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    Doug, Doug, Doug,

    Don’t you understand that the vote would’ve been much worse without the work of our Fearless Heroes?

    59-33, minimum.

  23. 23.

    Mike in NC

    January 26, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Bravo Zulu to the Red State Strike Force douchebags for another resounding victory.

  24. 24.

    CT

    January 26, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    @Jay: WTF is it with the repubs and the wives of Dem politicians? Going back to Kitty Dukakis, smearing the wife seems to be part of the game. F**K Juan Williams-half the time he’s tearing up over Obama’s win, the other half he’s auditioning to be Hannity’s back up host.

  25. 25.

    Tonal Crow

    January 26, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    @Mentis Fugit:

    In short, Red State lie[s] even when the truth would serve their purpose. It’s a reflex.

    No. It’s rhetoric. Good rhetoric. It’s short, funny, and memorable. That it’s a lie matters not at all to them. It’s just like the "Al Gore invented the internet" meme.

    Get with the program. These guys ran America into the ground, but when it comes to rhetoric, they’re geniuses.

  26. 26.

    kay

    January 26, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    It’s such a disconnect. I’m reading this amusing nonsense and listening to Obama "speaking directly to the Muslim world" according to the breathless Anderson Cooper.
    "Obama contacts….THE MUSLIM WORLD…".
    That means he gave an interview without preconditions. I guess.
    These guys on the Right better get serious, fast. The media, too.
    I feel like I’m sitting at the grown-up table, half-listening. while the kids at the card table in the next room complain.

  27. 27.

    Don

    January 26, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    I wonder how many of the Red State brigade frothing at the mouth over this have, in the past, decried how overly complicated the tax code is.

    I really don’t know if I think this should be a precluding factor or not. My instinct is to think that calling this kind of screw-up an indicator is akin to saying that someone isn’t qualified to run Ford because they don’t know how to drive a manual transmission.

    I’ve had to pay both halves of FICA before and I’da been confused to receive a W2 rather than a 1099. Then again, I ain’t lookin to run the IRS.

  28. 28.

    MillionthMonkey

    January 26, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    If you’re going to use it to clean up the seized credit markets, I think you have to pony up extra for the "Deluxe" version of TurboTax.

  29. 29.

    Punchy

    January 26, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    Dems just capitulated on the Rubbers and Coathangers provision in teh stimulus bill. Decided to chuck it in the hopes that……(excuse me, I’m laughing too hard)….get this….the Repubs will suddenly then lose that talking point and therefore decide……(Christ, I’m busting a gut)…..to support his stimulus plan. Until tomorrow, when there’s a whole new talking point about something else that upsets them.

    I know Obama aint this much of a fool, so I’m at a loss here.

  30. 30.

    tomjones

    January 26, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    @scarpy: You are aware that there’s an IRS Commissioner that runs the agency, and that Tim Geithner will have as much influence over day-to-day operations as President Obama will over those of the FDA?

  31. 31.

    tomjones

    January 26, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    @Punchy: Meh. The fact is that spending "stimulus" money on birth control is exceedingly hard to defend, and just plays into the SPENDEE LIBERRULS narrative that the media is so eager to peddle. Even I, a died-in-the-wool liberal who free bases birth control pills, cringed when I heard about this.

  32. 32.

    TheAssInTheHatOnMyCat(Formerly Comrade Tax Analyst)

    January 26, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Guess what? ANY Tax Software program will give you an incorrect tax return if you don’t know what you are doing. The key is, as always, is to UNDERSTAND what you are doing so that you can at least roughly anticipate where your amounts should be showing up and have at least an approximate idea of what they should be. From there you need to carefully review the results. If it’s just matching numbers from Tax Documents you have it’s really quite simple. If it involves tax theory, and computations, well, it’s a pretty good idea to have an understanding of the theory. At any rate, most programs provide some type of underlying worksheets to show the calculations used in reaching 1040 line amounts. They may seem byzantine, but the thing to keep in mind is that they are totally and strictly mechanical in nature. If you enter the right numbers on the worksheet in the right fields, it will work down and give you the right answer. Conversely, bad input will result in bad output. As far as Geitner goes, I’m figuring he thought himself too smart by at least half and just plugged numbers directly onto the 1040 lines without using underlying input forms or worksheets. He likely plugged his 1099-Misc income directly onto line 7 as wages, so the program would have no way to know that SE Taxes had to be calculated.

    In my job I talk to a lot of Tax Preparer’s who use our software and I am constantly amazed and chagrined at just how many of them enter data into the return and then just look up at the "Refund Monitor" display number, without even knowing they should at the very least be reviewing Form 1040 (BOTH pages). They throw in a bunch of numbers and sit back like some boob at a slot machine, waiting to see if their client gets 3 cherries or not. A common question, for example, is: "Why is my client’s refund less than it was last year?" My general reply is, "Well, did you review 2008 to see if it looks right? Once you’ve done that you can then COMPARE it to 2007, and then you should be able to explain the differences." Response: All too often, Dead Air…

    Sorry, I’ve just spent most of my day talking to people who should not be allowed to open a tax software program under any circumstances – and I’m talking about PAID preparer’s, not "do-it-yourselfer" taxpayers.

    Rant over…

  33. 33.

    Bootlegger

    January 26, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    @scarpy: Let’s get this straight. He paid his share of his payroll taxes, but his employer didn’t pay their share. This was a consulting job and the employer did notify him, but he did actually pay some of the tax, just not all of it. When they caught him and asked him to pay, he paid what they asked for. When Obama called he asked him to pay it all, and he did. I really don’t see the fucking problem.

  34. 34.

    sgwhiteinfla

    January 26, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    tomjones

    Here is the actual justification for the "birth control" in the stimulus bill.

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/01/republicans-irate-over-expansion-of-republican-approved-program.php

    First of all, the family-planning program that Pelosi supports expanding in the stimulus bill was created in 1972 under the leadership of Republican president Richard Nixon.

    /

    What’s being proposed is an expansion in the number of states that can use Medicaid money, with a federal match, to help low-income women prevent unwanted pregnancies. Of the 26 states that already have Medicaid waivers for family planning, eight are led by Republican governors (AL, FL, MS, SC, CA, LA, MN and RI — a ninth, MO, had a GOP governor until this past November). If this policy is truly a taxpayer gift to "the abortion industry," as John Boehner and House Republicans claim, where are the GOP governors promising to end the program in their states?

    /

    Additionally, the process of obtaining a waiver for Medicaid family-planning coverage is extremely cumbersome. A letter written by Wisconsin health regulators in 2007 noted that some states have had to wait for as long as two years before their request was approved. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that eliminating the waiver requirement would save states $400 million over 10 years.

    Unfortunately evidently no Democrat in Congress reads TPM and or they couldn’t figure out how to explain it properly.

  35. 35.

    Joshua Norton

    January 26, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    Dems just capitulated on the Rubbers and Coathangers provision in teh stimulus bill.

    They obviously used it as something to eliminate in the negotiations. Does anyone really think the repigs give 2 squats about spending? We’re talking about the party who would sneak added earmarks and perks into spending bills between the time they were passed and the time they went to the printers.

    At least the Dems. put everything in the front window for everyone to see and bicker over.

  36. 36.

    Bootlegger

    January 26, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    @tomjones: I agree with this. Stay focused on infrastructure and energy, maybe some lower income tax credits. But BHO should have made it a priority to make this bill "pork proof", take out anything that seems weird or crazy. Think of the bonus points if he could have avoided the WTF line item veto.

  37. 37.

    Swervus

    January 27, 2009 at 12:36 am

    So let me get this straight…

    The REPUBLICANS are bitching about a political appointee being shifty with taxes and that we should not trust them with Other People’s Money after the last eight years while they had the keys to the kingdom?

    ‘Scuse me while I go repair my Irony Meter… motherfucker shot straight through the roof.

  38. 38.

    Tonal Crow

    January 27, 2009 at 12:45 am

    @tomjones:

    …The fact is that spending "stimulus" money on birth control is exceedingly hard to defend, and just plays into the SPENDEE LIBERRULS narrative that the media is so eager to peddle. Even I, a died-in-the-wool liberal who free bases birth control pills, cringed when I heard about this.

    It’s not difficult to defend. People using birth control are less anxious about unplanned pregnancies and, if the birth control method is condoms, less anxious about STDs. Less-anxious people are happier, work harder, are better parents — and *spend more*.

    Democrats need, first, to find their GOP-damn backbones, and second, to take a GOP-damn course in GOP-damn rhetoric. And then another course. And then three more. I have never seen a more rhetorically-inept bunch than the Pelosi/Reid/Feinstein Axis of Capitulation. Not often I wonder whether they’re not simply GOP moles….

  39. 39.

    Bootlegger

    January 27, 2009 at 12:55 am

    @Tonal Crow: That is an awful long string of causal mechanisms from condoms to happy buying spree. This will have zero effect on the economy and I’m becoming more convinced that they dropped it in there with the sod to have something to "give up" in the final compromise.

    As for doing it like the R’s, why? There is a reason they are out, the last thing we need is to "act like them".

  40. 40.

    Bill H

    January 27, 2009 at 1:16 am

    She is ruthless, in her adorable, hiding her face in her hands from sheer embarrassment, way.

    Maddow asks McCaskill whether we are qoing to engage in counter-terrorism or counter-insurgency in Afghanistan. McCaskill makes a lengthy speech about how we’d better not start rebuilding that country because the last time we did that was in Iraq and we wasted a lot of money. Maddow merely thanks her and moves on to the next prepared question.

    Ruthless?

  41. 41.

    Laura W

    January 27, 2009 at 7:52 am

    @Bill H: I was referring specifically and solely to the segment on Blago’s media blitz that occurred around 9:35 last night.

  42. 42.

    Kathy

    January 27, 2009 at 8:02 am

    Instead of dropping the Medicaid provisions the Repubs are complaining about, why don’t Democrats ask why the Repubs would like to force poor women to have babies that taxpayers will have to subsidize?
    It’s all in how you frame the debate. Remember guys as as our President said, "I won."

  43. 43.

    kay

    January 27, 2009 at 8:46 am

    @Kathy:

    I’m going to disagree. He’d be crazy if he didn’t include provisions he intended to jettison, and that particular provision gives the Republicans something to distract the lunatics with.
    The expansion of S-CHIP is huge ( I know not part of stimulus bill). The low-income tax provisions are huge, and Obama wants them badly.

  44. 44.

    SGEW

    January 27, 2009 at 9:16 am

    ‘Scuse me while I go repair my Irony Meter . . . .

    You still have an Irony Meter? Mine hasn’t worked since 2001 or so.

    You must have the super-deluxe edition.

  45. 45.

    scarpy

    January 27, 2009 at 10:49 am

    @ Bootlegger 33

    I have several friends who work lower-level gigs with international outfits like World Bank and IMF. If they knew they had to pay employer-side payroll taxes, and they did, I have a hard time pitying a guy like Geithner when he says he didn’t know.

    You make it sound like his employer should have paid the taxes but didn’t. It wasn’t IMF’s "share" of the taxes to pay, because IMF is not a U.S. organization.

    @ tomjones 30
    Yes, I did know there is an IRS commissioner. Did you know the Treasury Secretary is the IRS commissioner’s boss? No, Geithner won’t manage it on any direct level. But he is still the head of the department it falls under.

    And he’d have more control over day-to-day operations than Obama would over FDA. I believe the comparison you’re looking for is with Tom Daschle.

  46. 46.

    Comrade Dread

    January 27, 2009 at 11:07 am

    MoveOn would have warned that he would bankrupt us all and come up with some pun involving the name “Geithner”, not dithered around about whether or not he used TurboTax.

    To be fair, liberals have had eight long years to develop their snark and sarcasm, while Republican toadies mostly spent that time fantasizing about strapping young men at the ready.

  47. 47.

    Don

    January 27, 2009 at 11:43 am

    He likely plugged his 1099-Misc income directly onto line 7 as wages, so the program would have no way to know that SE Taxes had to be calculated.

    Except it wasn’t 1099 income, he was issued a W-2 just like the rest of us wage slaves get. Some WaPo letters to the editor clarified the matter.

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