It’s not an accident that so many righties settled on the “Obama is boring” meme this morning. The idea of attacking what is perceived to be Obama’s greatest strength — his ability as a communicator — has been brewing for a while. It’s what all the yammering about the teleprompter is about. It’s what all the hand-wringing about Obama’s jokes is about. And they’ve already phrased it in the convenient Slate/TNR contrarian “myth-busting” form that media types love so much (Ben Smith gushed over this piece):
2. Obama is a great communicator. Cut away the soaring rhetoric in his speeches, and the resulting policy statements are often vague, lawyerly and confusing. He is not plain-spoken: He parses his language so much that a casual listener will miss important caveats. That’s in part why he uses teleprompters for routine policy statements: He chooses his words carefully, relying heavily on ill-defined terms like “deficit reduction” (which means tax increases, rather than actual “savings”) and “combat troops” (as opposed to “all troops in harm’s way”).
[…..]4. Obama is smooth. Despite being deliberate, Obama is surprisingly gaffe-prone. Reporters on my e-mail lists last year know he consistently mispronounced, misnamed or altogether forgot where he was. (In one typical gaffe in Sioux Falls, S.D., he started his speech with an enthusiastic “Thank you, Sioux City!”) His geographic gaffes are not just at routine rallies but at major events, including the Democratic National Convention and his first address to Congress. Any politician occasionally misspeaks, but the frequency of Obama’s flubs is notable.
This is a classic Rovean technique — attacking your opponent where he is strongest. I happen to think it is a smart technique in many cases. I’m skeptical whether “Obama is teh boring” will work right now, because the public is more focused on the next paycheck than on whether or not they find Obama’s pressers entertaining.
But make no mistake: right-wing media types will be pushing this hard over the next few months. And when even a pretty good reporter like Ben Smith is eating it up, you can bet we’ll be hearing a lot about it in the media.
(By the way, while Michael Wolff probably doesn’t qualify as a right-wing hack (although he certainly does enjoy fellating Rupert Murdoch), this piece is pretty remarkable.)
Update. This weirds me out a little: Michael Scherer of all people nails the teleprompter “issue”.
I don’t really get all this gabbing about Obama and his teleprompter. Does anyone really doubt Obama’s ability to speak cogently and in detail without notes, after winning three presidential debates and slaying just about every press availability he gets? So he likes reading from a screen and not a piece of paper. But this whole line of attack, promoted widely by conservative blogs, sort of baffles me. And does anyone stop to think about how all this back and forth is effecting the feelings of the computer that powers Obama’s teleprompter? Well, I have, but that’s only because I have been reading the teleprompter’s blog and Twitter feed.
cleek
the problem with this meme is that Obama’s not actually boring. and you can see that by simply watching him.
but if the GOP wants to further alienate themselves from mainstream USA, i won’t stop them.
bago
TELEPROMPTERZ!
(There. Got it out of my system.)
Rick Taylor
I don’t know about the general public, but I feel ill when I hear criticisms like that. With the economy collapsing we don’t really care if you feel entertained or not while your (well paid) job. If you’re bored, please quit and find some other more entertaining line of work.
jibeaux
"Gaffe-prone" because he called Sioux Falls Sioux City.
It’s almost as if Bush was a victim of the soft bigotry of low expectations. Or Obama is a victim of EXPECTATIONS THAT ARE IMPOSSIBLE FOR MERE MORTALS TO MEET.
Ricky Bobby
In forty years history will be wondering who the silly little fucks were that opposed Obama’s administration whilst it was turning the country from bad to good, and what the hell they could have been arguing about when they opposed him.
Great men doing important things > little GOP loudmouths
jerry 101
I doubt it will work, because the public has seen Obama be "boring" before, just as it’s seen him be exciting.
He is a great speaker, and knows how to tailor his speaking style to subject of the speech and the mood of his audience.
If he needs to deliver a lecture, explaining what’s going down, people may not be standing up and cheering, but they will pay attention.
They are trying very, very hard right now to bring down his "great speaker" credentials. The meme has been building since Bobby Jindal crashed and burned in his big speech.
I think they believed that Bobby was gonna be well received and they believed he was a going to show up as a great speaker, so they’d have their anti-obama. Since he Failed, they have to go with another plan, which is the old attempt to strike your enemy’s strong point.
Of course, Obama’s happy to take it to the people on a regular basis, so the meme won’t be able to survive. The hard right will believe it, but the rest of America will scratch their heads and say to the wingnuts "huh? not a good speaker? you’re weird."
Shinobi
I have found that many times when people claim things are "boring" it is because they just aren’t smart enough to understand it.
Maybe the problem is just all those big fancy words like "hope" and "change" that make it impossible to follow him.
Ricky Bobby
Almost forgot, "Teh Prez as Entertainer in Chief" will gain no traction anywhere outside the Village.
Clap louder!!!
Starfish
Why inflate Rove by calling it a Rovean tactic? It is a standard business tactic to find a weakness near the core of your opponent’s strength.
Svensker
Remarkable ain’t the word. What’s shocking is to read the comments and hear everyone agree that Obama is stupid, shallow, an "affirmative action" president, out of his depth, etc. These people really are on a different planet.
r€nato
shorter right-wing hacks:
"OBAMA TALKS LIKE A FAG!"
The Other Steve
LOL! I live in the region, and I still mess those up.
NonyNony
@cleek:
This is exactly right. Attacks about "teleprompters" and "gaffes" are more likely to stick than attacks about "being boring" – he’s not a boring speaker. (The gaffe attacks will start to stick more as we get further and further away from the Bush years – right now anyone who hears "Obama stumbles over words" is thinking "I dunno – I haven’t heard any ‘misunderestimating’ or ‘can’t be fooled again’ level gaffes from him yet").
What’s more, the bullet point #2 is written by someone who has the assumption that the American people are all children and need to be talked down to in simplistic catch phrases and slogans. This is, in my experience, false. Most people don’t like to be treated like idiots. And one of the things that Obama gets a lot of goodwill for from people I’ve spoken to across all social classes is that he’s willing to treat the American citizenry like adults to be convinced instead of children to be lectured at in sound bites. What these pundits are calling "lawyerly and confusing" or "boring" is being recognized by a lot of folks as "not assuming I’m an idiot" and being accepted graciously as such.
bago
Jindal of the "Volcano Monitoring" fame has had that blow up in his face.
And seriously, the script you have for doing preview is very flawed. It stripped out everything before the second anchor tag. The HTML I used is well formed.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
This is great news for McCain!
r€nato
this is an attack which will gain no traction outside the right-wing reality distortion sphere.
all you have to do is watch the guy talk. He’s not boring, and I’m thrilled that we have a president who has a very, very good grasp of, say, tax policy and has the ability to explain it to average folks in a way they can relate to.
You want the POTUS to entertain you? Then elect a clown. Oh, wait, we just got rid of one of those.
r€nato
i swear to FSM i did not click "Submit" twice.
MattF
But there’s a line between ‘contrarian’ and ‘not paying attention to reality’. After all, a strategy of insisting that something has to be false just because everyone thinks it’s true has certain… inherent risks.
El Cid
Excuse me — which Preznit ever gave succinct, purely factual responses at press conferences focusing on policy details?
Answer: None. It isn’t what they do.
Moron brigade. Buckets provided by FOXNOOZ.
Brian J
Shorter Response to Obama’s Speeches and Statements:
If we just pound on him for small mistakes and pretend we don’t know what terms like "deficit reduction" mean, we don’t have to think about what he says. Then we can skip out on actually learning how to consider and report on the issues in an informative way.
Seriously, what a pile of horseshit. It’s the equivalent of having a really attractive, intelligent, educated, charming spouse but not getting the over the fact that she forgets to set up the coffee pot for the next morning, except that they are focused on things that really don’t matter, as they aren’t big problems or even problems at all. These assholes really expect us to give a shit that he mispronounces the city he’s in and has loyal advisers that agree with him?
I really, I just can’t. The stupid burns too much.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@bago:
And people say God has no sense of humor!
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
@r€nato:
And his press conference preempted Ow! My Balls! That was not cool!
r€nato
abso-fucking-lutely. After 8 years of Bush/Cheney constantly pissing on our shoes and telling us it’s a gentle spring shower, Americans are thrilled to have a president who forthrightly takes responsibility and whose first instinct is NOT to snow-job us at every turn.
Corner Stone
IMO, someone set Bobby up to fail. No matter how many times Rush pounds the table and demands people say Jindal was fantastic – he just wasn’t. It was awkward and awful and everyone who saw 15 seconds of it knew it.
joe from Lowell
The problem with this particular Rovian technique is that ordinary Americans can’t back to Vietnam 1969 and see for themselves what John Kerry was doing.
They can’t go down to that school district in Florida and see if there were enough desks for the students, like Al Gore said.
However, they most certainly can watch his performance at a press conference, town hall event, or presidential debate, and see that he is neither boring nor awkward, but rather, a very effective, convincing communicator.
These people really believe that they have the power to alter objective reality by saying untrue things. It’s really something to watch.
Brian J
Just from my memory, I can recall two times when Obama has accepted responsbility for something bad happening. Specifically, I’m referring to Daschle’s tax issues and the problems with AIG bonuses. He said, simply, "The buck stops here," meaning his office.
That’s approximately two more times than I ever remember Bush doing something like that.
ATB
@jibeaux:
What the hell. I had a Countdown Calendar with 365 of GW’s most infamous gaffes. Tearing those pages off every morning put a smile on my face.
ThymeZoneThePlumber
Uh, it didn’t start this morning. It started a year ago.
A year ago, he couldn’t form a sentence without a teleprompter, and because of his allegiance to Rev. Wright, his campaign was over.
Then he wasn’t ready to lead, and then later he was losing ground to the electrifying Sarah Palin and her sidekick, what’s his name.
Oh, he won the election by almost ten million votes.
Tell me again why this fascination with losers’ obsessions is worth our time?
I think I missed a meeting.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@joe from Lowell:
Keep clapping! Louder!
r€nato
I hope they keep it up. The longer they spend detached from reality, the longer they stay out of power.
They’ve been running against the 1970s era Democrats for 30 years now. Democrats are running the show and once they show results, the right-wing attacks will become increasingly irrelevant. Especially to people who are 30 or under, who simply could not give a shit about anything that happened before 1980.
Dungheap
So on Sunday Obama was taken to task for ironically laughing during an interview and on Tuesday he’s taken to task for being too damn serious at a press conference?
This isn’t Rovian. This is the McCain Campaign Redux. Rove would have found a message and stuck with it. This is just throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks.
joe from Lowell
and then, after he convincingly beat McCain in three straight debates, they dropped the line, because it was so implausible. Except now, it’s back.
@ Scruffy McSnufflepuss
That’s it, exactly. This is other side of the "clap louder" coin.
Faux News
Cool. Now go have a cigarette. I sensed a Palin like starburst in your post.
BTW you just totally wiped out a post from Paul L. by beating him to the punch. Many thanks!
geg6
I couldn’t agree more. Even my few remaining sane GOP friends say this. And acknowledge that it’s a skill that the Shrub sadly lacked. And, if I promise never to tell, will ashamedly admit that W was an embarrassing clown, which is what makes me consider them sane.
r€nato
The GOP answer to Hillary Clinton:
"Americans want tits? Hey, we got tits! Say hello to Sarah Palin!"
The GOP answer to Barack Obama:
"Americans want colored folks? Hey, we got colored folks! Say hello to Bobby Jindal and Michael Steele!"
The GOP answer to Obama’s winning campaign:
"Obama won because of social networking technology? Hey, John McCain has a Twitter account!"
When are these
‘tardsSpecial Olympics competitors going to learn that the problem is the message, not the messenger?(well, their messengers suck pretty badly too)
joe from Lowell
Correct. They can’t keep a consistent message going for more than two days, and if the line they come up with today contradicts what they were saying yesterday – Obama’s a celebrity with no experience! Hey, look Sarah Palin! – they just throw it out anyway.
In the end, nobody can remember anything they said.
Michael
He’s an atheist muslim socialist Kenyan dual citizen in the pocket of the Wall Street elites who routed all their money to him. He also can’t speak well and has a slick operation where he speaks well only because he has a teleprompter. And don’t forget that he’s a radical third worlder idiot whose slutty negro loving single mom set up this thing with a conspiracy in Hawaii from the time he was born.
/wingnut
Y’know, I saw a FReak this morning actually express the opinion that the guy who comes out of the birth certificate drama as President is….
Dick Cheney.
Zifnab
@joe from Lowell:
Hurray for zombie lies! This is just like when Ronald Regan warned us about welfare queens in their government subsidized Cadillacs, or when Bush found all those WMDs in Iraq that were ready to be shipped to Osama bin Laden, or when the price of oil dropped $3 / gallon by getting millions of Americans to chant "Drill, Baby, Drill" in an entirely non-sexual context.
Republicans are in the party of great new ideas, dontcha know!
schrodinger's cat
Why do we care what these people think, anyway?
curtis
As a conservative, I don’t find Obama "gaffe-prone" necessarily (although he’s clearly made a few, just like anyone else). He’s certainly not as gaffe-prone as Biden. And neither of them, obviously, are nearly as gaffe-prone as Bush. And there’s always the fact that, even at his worst, Obama is still infinitely more pleasant to listen to than Bush at his best.
Having said that, I don’t think you can necessarily call his off-the-cuff style "exciting" or "interesting". Obama has a tendency to spout tangential blather in a dull monotone, and wanders, rhetorically. His brilliance is in delivering, not in improvising, an address– something that was painfully clear last night when he transitioned from "President reading off screen" to "President answering questions".
In terms of how this affects how ordinary Americans view him, I can’t imagine that the wide gulf between him and Bush isn’t obvious, and I’m sure that Americans would rather listen to Obama. But that doesn’t mean that they don’t think he’s still boring– his rather annoying capacity to pause and utter "uh" ever few seconds (a bad habit that he is gradually correcting, I might add) is of particular note, as is the fact that, no matter how eloquent he is, Obama’s still essentially competing against American Idol. I doubt very many people would choose to hear professorial lecturing after a long days work over that.
The bottom line is that Obama has been overly-hyped by the left for his entire time as both a candidate and as President. That he doesn’t meet those lofty predictions is obvious, and that doesn’t in and of itself make him a bad President by any means (although his Bush-like tendency to balloon the deficit does).
But it does suggest that you guys might want to tone down the Obama synchophantism. Its doing more harm than good.
Martin
That’s not it here. They called it boring because there was nothing to attack. They have nothing to write about – so anything *they* would write would be boring. They’re pundits. They don’t want a leader, they want someone to voice opinions against and Obama just isn’t giving them any real material to work with in this climate. Obama is boring because there’s no blowjob, there’s no axis of evil, there’s no human/animal hybrids, no accusations that Canada is building an anthrax bomb, etc. They only thing he gives them is the opportunity to refute that their readers aren’t sacrificing and that we want someone who will speak before they know what the fuck they’re talking about.
Like I said yesterday, Democrats aren’t communicating poorly, but if all people tune into are pundits and bloggers with an agenda, then of course you are going to get the impression that the plan is misunderstood because these guys actually work hard to misunderstand it. The most exciting opinions come when you can turn a plan to expand food stamps by 3% into the first part of a plot to turn the US into a substate of North Korea.
bootlegger
@NonyNony:
Apparently the commentors over there do like to be treated like idiots. Well now we no where the kids in school who picked on the smart kids ended up.
bayville
What would a right wing meme be without a contribution from Ron Fournier?
Great headline to his "Analysis", too:
DougJ
Because they still have fairly large viewerships, sadly.
geg6
@ThymeZoneThePlumber:
I don’t know about you, but I’m certainly old enough to remember when those of us with liberal leanings were quite smug and above it all about our intellectual and ideological superiority that we paid no attention to how the message was being received and interpreted. And that is exactly what got us into 30 years of political Siberia. I believe it’s extremely important to not only read and listen to what the other side, no matter how unhinged they may be, is using to try to counteract my side. That’s how you make sure you are targeting your arguments more surely and addressing anything the public might find a reasonable argument against you. Ignoring this stuff is how you end up with campaigns like that of Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, and John Kerry.
Shinobi
Martin,
I know, I just wanted to call them dumb.
gbear
No there isn’t.
Ash Can
@ThymeZoneThePlumber:
It gets us ahead of the curve on media narratives. Not a cure for cancer or anything, but it precludes getting blindsided by WTF stuff and provides some insight into the way the mass media work.
GSD
The media is livid that President Obama shoves their face in the shit of their own growing irrelevence.
By snubbing the main dead tree media (Notice he picked the cult-leader run far right-wing Washington Times) President Obama is telling these dicksmackers that the rules have changed.
Why kowtow to lamers like the Wapoo, NYT and the rest when he can get more bang from his presser by choosing Univision, which reaches many, many more people. Plus it also sends racist cavemen like Buchanan over the cliff. Teh Spanish oh noes!
Keep up the good work, these media clownholes are squirming and can’t take the heat.
Remember, in the past week we’ve learned that Obama was unserious about the financial crisis by laughing too much on 60 Minutes while we learned that he was unwilling to play an unserious clown for the media at the Gridiron and now we learn that Obama was apparently boring at this presser, but in the heat of being boring he was "lashing out" at the media.
What a bunch of mental cases.
-GSD
Brachiator
The only problem with this technique is that it insults the average person’s intelligence, and here it always fails. Obama is a good communicator and he conveys a sense of warmth and understanding. In a similar way, Reagan was a good communicator despite his gaffes and use of a teleprompter.
In casual conversations with people, I note that committed Obama haters will view his speech negatively no matter what, while people who don’t have ideological crosses to bear don’t even bother to engage these people and just move on, noting that Obama seems reasonable. As others have noted, these people are just looking for their lives to get better, and don’t care about political infighting.
This Rovean technique failed miserably when they tried to use it against Clinton. They even resorted to trying to tell people that they didn’t understand why impeaching Clinton was so necessary to the nation. But people understood very well, and discounted the attacks. Clinton’s approval rating was consistently high during this period.
The GOP thinks that their Obama attacks are working because the only feedback they get are from conservative ideologues and people who are fear of Obama is rooted in their own insecurities and personal demons. And this last includes a few reporters, who clearly are uncomfortable with Obama because of their own problems with race. They remind me of a colleague who had no problem working with non-whites as co-workers, but who could not deal with non-whites or women who were his boss.
Oh, how I wish that Obama would go "Goodfellas" on these goons. "Entertaining? What, I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you?"
valdivia
Not that reason and rationality has anything to do with how these people think but this analysis by Fallows on the whole teleprompter thing is worth a read.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@schrodinger’s cat:
Because this is really a center-right country; these speak for the "silent majority"/Zogby pollees among us; and the only reason the Democrats won in 2006 and 2008 is because of a combination of ACORN shenanigans and the conservatives failing their principles by not cutting taxes enough/not clapping loudly enough.
4K
It sure reminds of "Real Time with Bill Maher" from 2 weeks ago when Andrew Breitbart is making all of kinds of "childish and surly faces" when Michael Eric Dyson is making an eloquent point (he made MANY) then says unashamedly "this is why I graduated college drunk… the professors just start talking all mumbo jumbo and you can’t understand them" or soemthing like that.
Too many people are taking pride in their own ignorance.
Here’s an idea, the next time you hear some words you don’t know what they mean you could grab a DICTIONARY and look it up ( I realize I just lost the Breitbarts of the world).
I grow weary of hearing folks who claim they have NO TIME to read.
America NEEDS to change it’s attitude about reading AND learning. The next time you find yourself in a situation where you need help with something try to resist the urge to ask someone else to do it for you before you have tried to figure it out yourself. Try to ask for guidance towards finding a solution instead of just asking for the answer itself.
I’ll bet you find it far MORE rewarding when you succeed.
DougJ
I’d like to hear him answer the question and then say “Now go get your fucking shoeshine box.”
joe from Lowell
Plus, it’s fun watching them self-destruct. Sort of a combination of anthropology and rubbernecking at a car crash.
mistermix
I agree with DougJ’s take on the noise machine, but even the supposedly "serious" media writes the same kind of thing, with the stupid knob turned down a wee bit. Take a look at the first two graphs of the NYT’s take on Obama’s pc.
Did the theater critic and DC bureau chief switch jobs?
KCinDC
Taking that piece into consideration, I’ll have to assume he is until presented with clear evidence to the contrary. As I read on, I kept hoping it would turn out to be some sort of joke. Maybe the guy’s trying his hand as a spoof?
bayville
Great line.
And BTW, poor, poor Perry Bacon is getting hammered right now at the WaPo chat about Henry and Todd.
Xecky Gilchrist
@Brachiator: The only problem with this technique is that it insults the average person’s intelligence, and here it always fails. Obama is a good communicator and he conveys a sense of warmth and understanding.
And there you have it – the way to fight a reichtard meme is to make it clear that it’s not true. For a long time, the Democrats’ response to Redoublechin smears is to either just deny it in words (or worse, to acquiesce) – but if you deny it in actions, people notice.
r€nato
Paul Begala nails it (over at CNN.com):
Mike in NC
Had to wade through that entire article to see the fine print at the bottom:
So now he’s a resident GOP hack at Politico. Thanks for the warning.
Cat Lady
OT, but Perry Bacon at the WaPo chat just let us know that Chuck Todd’s question was not to "crowd-please" in any way, it was just to get a response from Obama, and that’s their job. Entirely appropriate.
OK? So shut up.
r€nato
even my mother – a hard-core Republican who hates Ted Kennedy and thinks Bill Clinton never did anything good during his time in office – has nice things to say about Obama and liked his press conference yesterday.
When Obama is reaching people like that, the GOP is truly screwed and right-wing pundit ‘up is down’ rhetoric is only going to make them sound even more irrelevant.
ThymeZoneThePlumber
One year ago. A Huffpo comment.
And we are still paying attention to these people?
DougJ
Always a good question. Frank Rich at the Times made his bones as a theater critic. The food critic at the Times — Frank Bruni — made his slobbering all over Bush in the 2000 campaign.
MikeJ
"I watched that Les Quatre Cents Coups movie you raved about. Not one person got beat up, never mind 400!"
Francis
As a lawyer who represents small public agencies, let me assure you that a lot of governance is BOTH deadly boring and deadly serious.
I expect that virtually everyone reading this blog has a reliable supply of affordable potable water; turn on the tap and there it is. But for the readers who live in the West (I know nothing about eastern states’ water systems) ensuring that the water is there all the time takes a tremendous amount of really tedious work.
Turning to the banking problem, if the US puts more banks into receivership, what happens is that the FDIC writes down some losses, sells off some assets, then finds a buyer for the remaining business, then EATS THE LOSS. For an entity as large as Citi, the only possible buyer would be turning senior debtholders into shareholders. In the Geithner plan, the FDIC still EATS THE LOSS. Will the plan work? Will the new, speculative money coming in provide the capital needed to keep the banks afloat?
The devil is in the details. Making an informed guess as to the merits of the plan as compared to nationalization requires a comprehensive and deadly tedious analysis of the mechanics of the proposal. Kind of like reading about assessment districts for water agencies.
But a working banking system is just about as important as safe, affordable and reliable water. It’s just that understanding precisely how they work just really isn’t all that exciting.
Maude
@Scruffy McSnufflepuss: Did anyone else catch Obama’s mention of Mc Cain in the bit about defense appropriations? It was subtle and wonderful. Obama was explaining where they would cut waste and included McCain as someone who was concerned about it. It was a reference to the helicopter dust up.
bayville
Frank Rich was, and still is, one of the most hated men on Broadway (and for good reason). As for Bruni, Somerby has mountains of examples of his incompetence in The Daily Howler archives.
schrodinger's cat
In spite of their viewerships, Obama still won, didn’t he? May be not as many people are falling for their crap. I for one think that Republicans and their water carriers in the media are not connecting like they used to. They will always have 30% of the people who thought Bush was doing a great job until the end of his term, but many moderates (even Republicans) are not buying this stuff any more.
DougJ
@Francis
Thanks for this great comment. I may turn it into a post by quoting it verbatim. It’s a very important point.
inthewoods
@r€nato: That is fucking genius.
CalD
I often wonder how many full-time PR people the DNC employs, versus the RNC and whether there’s any possibility the DNC might be able to hire away any of the RNC’s people away. The Democrats always seem hopelessly outclassed when it comes to getting their message out.
Republicans have learned through a long string of PR successes (albeit, very few of any other kind) that the three "R’s" of moving public opinion are repetition, repetition, and repetition. They are relentlessly on message, understand the importance of dumbing down any issue until it fits on a bumper sticker and never, ever pass up an opportunity to get in front of a camera and recite their asinine talking points. Say whatever you like about this, but it works.
In the short term, attacking someone on their strengths probably works best when the attacker still has a shred of credibility themselves, also when there isn’t a lot of evidence to the contrary immediately in view. But over time, get enough different people to repeat anything enough times and even otherwise intelligent people can start to buy into it, in spite of their own better judgment, however ridiculous the idea may be.
Democrats, conversely, are often too prone to thinking it’s enough to be right (or at least righter than the Right) and have an often fatal tendency to insist on treating voters as adults. It also doesn’t help that so many on the Left half of the political spectrum seem so peevishly ready and willing to pile on their own people at the drop of a hat. The good news for now is that Republican infighting currently seems to degrading their own, normally remarkable ability to speak with one voice, at least to some extent.
DougJ
I think their influence is a large part of why we didn’t have as good a stimulus bill as we should have. And that’s just one example.
I wish I could be as optimistic about their lack of influence as you and TZ are, but I can’t. I just don’t believe it.
Chris G.
Another huge problem with this meme is that we already elected Obama. This completely undercuts the attack: Even if he were a lousy speaker who’d won by 10 million votes, the election results clearly show that people have already discounted that as a criteria for judging Obama. Since he’s not a lousy speaker, the attack is incoherent, because people see Obama and realize he’s not a lousy speaker.
John PM
@Francis: #63.
Exactly! Governing, just like litigating, is not very exciting. Speaking as a litigator, 99% of preparing a case for trial, and trying a case, is tedious at best, and more often than not mind-numbing. Governing is not Mr. Smith goes to Washington, and litigating is not like Boston Legal. A lot of long hours go into creating a good bill or law, and into adequately preparing a case for trial. Those who do not realize this and who cannot do the work make bad legislators and bad lawyers.
Zifnab
@DougJ:
The GOP is the reason we don’t have a better stimulus bill, end of story. If the GOP has been feeding zombie lies and bullshit into the MSM, that’s only a symptom of the root problem. But while the news cycles give Republicans cover for bullshit like the 188-man united GOP anti-stimulus front, it is ultimately McConnell and Boehner and their allies and handlers who are making this happen.
You’ve got some powerful business interests that don’t want to see America escape the debt traps they’ve spent the last 20 years building. Even if it drags the entire economy down in the process.
Wile E. Quixote
@DougJ
Agreed, we need to keep beating on the Republicans, they’re treacherous little fucks who will shiv you in the kidneys if you turn your back on them for so much as a second. The best way to understand the Republicans is to remember Winston Churchill’s famous quote about the Germans, "The Hun is either at your throat or at your feet". We need to smack the Republicans down even further to make sure that they stay at our feet and aren’t going for our throats. We’re only 63 days into this thing and we’ve got a long ways to go.
r€nato
shorter rat-wing:
Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho for President!
Davis X. Machina
I have a sneaking suspicion that the great unwashed masses will be grateful to have a President whose public appearances, even if ‘boring’, aren’t the rhetorical version of Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride.
And as I tell students, the book isn’t boring. The boredom is intrinsic to the reader.
It is meaningless to say "Pride and Prejudice is boring." One can only say "Pride and Prejudice bored me", or "I was bored when I read Pride and Prejudice."
schrodinger's cat
@DougJ
I do agree that these people have far too much influence over our national discourse and that is indeed disheartening, but these are minor matters when I think of the bullet we dodged if the not "that one" had become president. May be there is a ceiling cat after all.
Zifnab
@Davis X. Machina: Well, I can. It just depends on what I’m trying to sell.
r€nato
well, I suppose there is somebody in the world who does not find John Galt’s million-page-long monologue boring.
NonyNony
@r€nato:
I think the plan is to keep doing what they’re doing until things blow up and get really bad. Then all of the blame falls onto the Democrats and the Republicans swoop in and proclaim themselves the country’s saviors.
It’s a reasonable strategy, I guess. I mean they really don’t have much in the way of choices. They could tack left and try to pick up the moderates they’ve been hard at work alienating for the last 20+ years, but at this point they’ve gone so far to the right that I’m not sure anyone in the leadership would even consider that as a viable strategy. What’s more, that’s a loser strategy short term (2-3 cycles) and these guys don’t think long term. The "keep doing what we’re doing only harder" strategy has a non-zero probability of succeeding in getting them gains in 2010, while the "tack left" strategy would require them to take short-term losses as they rebuild their coalition. For these guys the second option is a total loser of an idea but the first one is like winning the Lottery – you can see where it would have the appeal.
gbear
But do the water managers get a lake at the end of the year for showing up and doing their job well (or not)? Your ego probably needs a whole lots less massaging than a banker.
dslak
@Wile E. Quixote: As long as this drubbing is only directed at the politicians and not their supporters.
It’s important to understand that, for authoritarians, politics is only about power. Public figures of that mentality need to be isolated and shamed, repeatedly. It removes the incentive for others to want to be associated with them.
Brachiator
@r€nato:
Even Andrew Sullivan gets it:
MikeJ
Or in the words of Harvey Danger:
hear the voices in my head
i swear to god it sounds like they’re snoring
but if you’re bored then you’re boring
the agony and the irony, they’re killing me
(Flagpole Sitta)
KRK
Wait…a…minute. Conant was on an email list of reporters? While he was press secretary for the RNC? Surely Politico’s own Michael Calderone is on the case?
Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon)
@NonyNony:
Except that Obama has been very consistent and very articulate in reminding us about the steaming pile of shit that was left behind by George W. If the GOP can pull it off, so be it. But if you believe the polls, the GOP is succeeding at one thing right now: demonstrating that they are a 20%-25% irrelevant minority instead of a 45%-50% force to be reckoned with.
Mike G
This is the same Kool Kids Maureen Dowd-esque trivializing of government administration as a game, as nothing but fodder for their puerile high school gossip. By their standards, Bush was a better president because he sunk to the corporate presstitutes’ clubby, sniggering nicknames-and-aw-shucks level while the world looked on in disgust.
I don’t give a shit if the President is entertaining or not; he has a serious job to do, and after eight years of the White House occupant treating the job like the presidency of a frat house, some boring purposefulness is refreshing. Thinking that the chief executive should be a shallow show-biz celebrity is how we ended up with Bush. It’s not a fucking reality TV show, it’s reality.
dslak
Of course, the statement "x is boring" is not meant to attribute some metaphysical quality, ‘boringness’ to an object. It is instead an attempt to get others to confirm the one making the claim in his prejudices.
zzyzx
This commentary is only read by those who are politically plugged in anyway so I’m less worried about this than other things…
scruncher
There’s a newer meme, or return to an older meme: he’s professorial, i.e. pedantic, condescending.
Zifnab
@Mike G:
Fix’d! To be fair, we ended up with Bush because his daddy was good friends with most of the nine swing voters that actually mattered.
Oh, alternately – damn you Ralph Nadar.
Davis X. Machina
There’s a newer meme, or return to an older meme: he’s professorial, i.e. pedantic, condescending.
IOW He actually knows what the fcuk he’s doing.
Boy, the American people are going to get turned off by that!
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
Wow. Perry Bacon is a real putz on the teleprompter issue.
Tuckerton, N.J.: Some of the D.C. punditry in recent weeks has focused on President Obama’s overuse of a teleprompter, his lack of communication skills and his overall handling of the economic crisis. My question is, has the past eight years been totally whitewashed from the Beltway memory hole?
Perry Bacon Jr.: I don’t understand the purpose in reminding people every flaw of President Bush in every piece about Obama. I don’t think anyone has forgotten the past eight years. I think any president deserves close scrutiny and criticism when appropriate.
…
Hell’s Kitchen, NYC: It’s not an accident that so many righties settled on the "Obama is boring" meme this morning. The idea of attacking one of Obama’s greatest strengths — his ability as a communicator — has been brewing for a while. Isn’t that what all the silly yammering about the teleprompter is about, too, Perry?
Perry Bacon Jr.: No, the teleprompter stories can from a specific incident at event that Kathleen Sebelius attended. Politico and the NYT wrote stories on the same day in part because Sebelius mentioned the prompter and seemed surprised by it. I think Obama’s ability as a communicator has been questioned in part because there seems to some gap between his personal popularity and his ability to get support behind his policies.
JenJen
My daily email from The Daily Beast greeted me this morning with the following subject line:
"Professor Obama’s Lecture."
I deleted it before reading.
schrodinger's cat
@scruncher:
He is an elitist!
Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse
I have a descriptive word for genitalia I could apply to Tina Brown, too, but I’ll skip being explicit.
MikeJ
Thank god Obama is to smart to listen to these nitwits. The idea is to either 1) con Obama into not doing pressers at all or 2) get him to do something to "spice it up" that they can then mock. Obama has shown time and time again he doesn’t fall for this nonsense like Dems of old (six months ago) did.
JenJen
Nobody could have predicted that Andrew Malcolm would get in on the hot "POTUS is soooooo boooooooring" action!
Perfect take-down over at Media Matters:
http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200903250010?show=1
TheHatOnMyCat
@Francis:
It’ll be interesting to see how a blog that courts a large brigade of pitchfork wavers keeps their interest while it gets serious and tackles the tedious details of governance.
This is a shop where an entire bucket of spittle was collected just the other day over Geithner’s use of the term "legacy assets" to refer to instruments formerly known as "toxic assets."
Please refer to the Blog’s logo for more information.
Just this week, we have seen hand-wringing over "Obama chuckles while economy suffers" followed immediately by "Obama is boring people with serious policy talk at news conference."
There is a word for this kind of thing: Manipulation. It’s all just manipulation.
Governance, like other complex and important pursuits, is definitely serious and tedious stuff. Luckily, we have a guy in charge who seems to enjoy that serious and tedious stuff, and also knows how to laugh at himself once in a while to keep himself on an even keel.
What all these other turkeys (pundits) are gobbling about, I don’t really know. The unexamined output of small, unimportant minds.
Montysano (All Hail Marx & Lennon)
@Mike G:
Vonnegut’s "Player Piano" come to life.
Ash Can
@NonyNony: Furthermore, the current de facto leader of the GOP wouldn’t allow a tack-left strategy.
The GOP really is setting itself up for some weird shit. By and large, the party is falling in line behind a leader whose entire philosophy amounts to "Feed me!" There’s a glimmering of a re-emergent sane, moderate faction of the party pushing back against this recipe for self-destruction, but with the overall GOP so steeped in authoritarianism at this point in its history, it’s yet to be seen how successful this faction is, if at all. Just as the current GOP thinks nothing of fucking up the rest of the country for political gain, Limbaugh will think nothing of fucking up the GOP for his own gain. I wonder how many Republicans will ultimately realize this.
DougJ
I used to dislike Sully as much as anyone, but he’s been right often enough recently that it’s time to drop the even here.
TheHatOnMyCat
Not really. Eight years of the excesses of Bill Clinton, Democrat fatigue, and the lackluster candidacy of Al Gore had a lot to do with it.
bayville
@Comrade Mary, Would-Be Minion Of Bad Horse:
Here’s my favorite part from Perry Bacon.
Who, outside of the usual suspects (i.e. Hedge Fund hucksters) have said anything positive about the Geithner Plan?
Laura W
@TheHatOnMyCat: I know this will be a huge public embarrassment for you, but I agree with you in full on this point.
JL
@Dungheap: Sunday morning, David Gregory suggested that President Obama seemed angry. The MSM and the GOP painted Gore as boring and it worked against him.
Andrew
This is the really interesting part of Scherer’s post:
God damn it’s good to have a President who is teh S-M-R-T. How many people could coherently connect Israel, Iran, Ireland, lobbying, an economic plan, etc. in a single response?
TheHatOnMyCat
@Laura W:
I’m a persona. I cannot really experience embarassment.
Think of me as sort of an inflatable commenter that you can prop up in the right front seat of your car and use as a decoy in the carpool lane.
DougJ
Brad DeLong, for example.
bh
Yes, because that is exactly what the "normal" relationship was between the press and the Bushies.
I’m sorry. I don’t think Sullivan "gets it" at all.
BethanyAnne
@r€nato: brought to you by Carl’s Jr.!
Darius
I think Sullivan would be the first to argue that the press’s relationship with Bush was not "healthy" in the slightest.
eemom
I’m glad to see that folks have moved on to the "reaction" phase — me, I’m still swooning over that beautiful, wonderful, glorious FUCK YOU to that pompous asshole Henry.
"I like to know what I’m talking about before I speak."
I’ll love you till I die, Barack Obama……
DougJ
You cited one weak spot in an otherwise good piece, IMHO.
r€nato
I’ve watched the Obama presser three times already.
Not because I am such a fanboy but because it is so refreshing to have a president who is smart, can think on his feet, and knows what he is talking about.
It’s like watching (clips of) Michael Jordan play. You don’t have to be a basketball fan to appreciate the guy’s amazing talents.
TheHatOnMyCat
@r€nato:
Just my inflatable commenter opinion, but I thought this press conference was his best public work so far as president.
He took that room full of dolts to school.
Whether they learned anything or not, remains to be seen, but I think the tv audience largely got it: This guy is large and in charge, and smart, and rather elegant.
If I am a Republican, I am eating my liver today.
InflatableCommenter
Just making this official. Please unmoderate as soon as possible.
And of course, of you disagree with me about anything, my new slogan: Blow me.
JL
but, but, but he was boring.
Laura W
@Andrew:
I gotta believe that when Plouffe’s book comes out detailing the campaign strategy(s), a lot of people are going to get a fascinating look at how very persistent, focused and disciplined he is. Dunno why anyone should be surprised about any of this.
Zifnab
@TheHatOnMyCat: I was honestly a bigger fan of his "race in America" speech that he gave in the primary run. This might have been simply in juxtaposition to the Mittens Romney "Who’s a mormon? Hey, look over there! Terrorists!" speech, but I still say it was the best bit I’ve ever heard him give.
This last presentation had too many stupid questions to be enjoyable. "What are Americans expected to sacrifice?" I mean, really? Really? Monthly unemployment rocketing up at over 650k and you want to talk about sacrifice? Maybe you should just come out and say it. "Working class Americans have been ungrateful bastards. How should we punish them in this shitty economy?"
Dennis-SGMM
There’s an unconscious element of protecting the luster of Reagan in the criticisms of Obama. With good reason, you don’t hear the R’s refer in glowing terms to Bush II, Bush I, Ford, or Nixon: Reagan is all they have. Anything that would diminish his stature is anathema to conservatives.
forked tongue
Great. Scherer stops being a jerk for a minute, then links to a couple of painfully lame efforts at wingnut humor devoted to spreading the very meme he claims to be unimpressed by.
TheHatOnMyCat
@JL:
I know, they sound like a kid sticking his fingers in his ears and yelling "I Can’t Hear You!"
Tom Betz
Doug, the Wolff piece struck me pretty clearly as a big old bowl of snark. I can’t imagine this guy really being that clueless.
What’s funniest about it is the total cluelessness of his commenters.
TheHatOnMyCat
@Zifnab:
That Race In America speech might have been the best speech in any campaign in my lifetime. But I cleverly boxed in my comment with "best work so far as president."
This was an hour of a president who is, if you will pardon the expression, ready to lead.
Dave C
What precisely is so bad about being "professorial?" Isn’t the communication of information what a professor does? I think all these people complaining probably got nothing but C’s and D’s in college and they’re still bitter about it.
Laura W
@InflatableCommenter:
Yeah, "Bite me" might be a little self-defeating, huh?
JL
Gibbs is suppose to give his press briefing at 2:45pm I might watch just to see if Ed Henry asks a follow up question from last night. We can all count on Chuck to ask a deep question.
r€nato
let’s remember that these are the people whose definition of ‘elitist’ encompasses anybody with better than a high school education and take their cues on the economy and Middle East politics from Joe the Unlicensed Plumber.
par for the course, in other words.
InflatableCommenter
@Laura W:
Let’s call it "Change You Can Bereave In."
Say this with a Chinese accent, it sounds about right.
Dave C
Oh look, the teleprompter gaff that wasn’t!
http://washingtonindependent.com/35565/another-gaffe-that-wasnt
OC
I read the Politico piece and I yawned. The Politico has a singular focus, much like ESPN, and has to reach for stories based on some very mundane topics (anyone who watches ESPN has seen the same thing with Terrel Owens. ZOMG T.O. ATE CORNFLAKES TODAY!!!!) Same idea here. It’s a slow news day so let’s eat up some space with a lameass story about teleprompters. What makes me chuckle is the righties over in the Politico comments section act like this makes Obama some kind of drooling idiot. Projection anyone?
passerby
@r€nato:
The GOP answer to Hillary Clinton:
"Americans want tits? Hey, we got tits! Say hello to Sarah Palin!"
The GOP answer to Barack Obama:
"Americans want colored folks? Hey, we got colored folks! Say hello to Bobby Jindal and Michael Steele!"
The GOP answer to Obama’s winning campaign:
"Obama won because of social networking technology? Hey, John McCain has a Twitter account!"
__________________________________________
This is a crisp distillation renato [golf clap]
Edit: italics fail.
mandarama, Eager Minion
@curtis:
Since no one’s responded to curtis…I thought your post was even-handed and interesting, and I wish I heard more self-identified conservatives speaking this way. What you said about sycophantism, though…you have to remember that we’re all here because we avidly follow policymaking, governance, political maneuvering, etc. So when we say the presser was interesting, we aren’t just pretending that and shielding Obama from the "boring" criticism. I love to hear detailed descriptions of policies in the making. So for me, anyway, my enjoyment of the press conference was sincere. I like long discussions of complex governing issues. I also like strong snark-fu, which is why I come here to this excellent commentariat. But I want the President to do the former, and BJ to do the latter.
You’re right that non-poli-junkies probably tune out a lot of the long discussion and find the whole presser boring. Some comedian used to joke about how before cable, if the President was on and you were a kid, your whole night was ruined. My neighbors asked me to give them a quick summary of the presser b/c they were putting kids to bed, getting ready for work, etc. But as you said, these people are VERY relieved to hear the President going on at length about important issues. "Boring" is in the eye of the beholder, and is not the pejorative the wurlitzer thinks it is.
geg6
@schrodinger’s cat:
Part of the reason that is true is because the Democrats started finding ways to connect and counteract the GOP memes that they always accepted. And those memes were accepted simply because the Dems never pushed back effectively. Now we do and we have to keep doing it. Because if they are the only ones using the megaphone, they will be the only ones anyone hears.
Zifnab
@TheHatOnMyCat: Fair Enough. Still had too many stupid questions. I’d like to sit Barack Obama down in front of John Stewart, Paul Krugman, Glenn Greenwald, and Helen Thomas. That would be a fucking press conference.
InflatableCommenter
@Zifnab:
Sounds good. As long as we get to be there too!
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
@TheHatOnMyCat:
What I always loved about the the Republican reaction to Obama’s race speech was their assertion that Obama "threw his grandmother under the bus." Talk about not getting it.
Darius
"Obama was boring" = "shit, there’s nothing we can use against him".
schrodinger's cat
@Zifnab:
Or Balloon Juice commentators and Tunchmen (Cole, Doug J and Tim F).
Andrew
You’re kidding, right? Intellect is a sign of godless, weak-in-the-knees socialist pandering.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
@curtis:
Go troll yourself.
Litlebritdifrnt
Sorry if this has already been mentioned (will go back and read the rest of the comments in a bit) but on Morning Joe this morning Scarborough basically said that the telepromter use was smart and mores the point that he wished that GWB had used it alot more in his eight years, or words to that effect. Other than Limbaugh (who now begins any quote from POTUS with "Obama’s teleprompter said") I don’t think this attack is going anywhere.
LV-426
@curtis:
Is this true? From what I’ve observed the right has been running around saying the left can’t stop talking about Obama’s speaking skills. While most on the left have mentioned that no one hyped it. It’s refreshing after 8 years of Bush but it’s not why we elected him.
Far too often I’m seeing and hearing things attrubuted to the left when it’s simply the right saying the left is doing and saying these things. And since most right wingers only receive news from right wing sources they don’t know that it’s mostly made up bullshit. It’s sounds like what they want to hear so it sticks. Coincidently it’s also why the right is wandering in the forest right now. Their message is limited by their audience. They can only say what the base wants to hear.
bayville
Re: Brad DeLong and Geithner Plan.
I stand corrected. I overlooked his analysis. What the hell is he thinking? Frankly, I hope he is correct but considering the same cast of characters are still in place and making ALL of the major decisions, the odds are against it working.
But hey, someone hits the Mega Millions lottery once a week.
Ash
@Dave C: I just read this article
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/03/24/the_truth_about_barack_obamas_irish_teleprompter_gaffe
and this whole thing is crazy. How a complete lie can become truth so quickly. Scary as hell.
LV-426
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:
It’s not about getting it. It’s about giving it. The base wants a reason to think Obama’s wrong about whatever. ‘They’ give them that. However possible. Bending as much reality as is nescessary. Winning elections is the end game.
Miriam
@ Curtis
I don’t think anyone here is a sychophant for Obama. We’re actually fairly critical of him.
I think you are projecting. Just because Republicans revered George Bush doesn’t mean that Democrats revere Obama.
kay
I think Obama’s ability as a communicator has been questioned in part because there seems to some gap between his personal popularity and his ability to get support behind his policies.
I know this has now become conventional wisdom, but I just think this is insane. What "policies" has Obama tried to sell that were rejected? Where does this come from? He’s had one legislative success, out of a total of one attempt.
He campaigned, and won, on health care, tax code, energy and education, and a refutation of President Bush’s foreign policy. When did we all decide that 1. these are policies that are specific to Obama ( the majority Democratic Congress share them, essentially) and 2. Sometime after November, Americans rejected them?
This is what he won on. What did pundits think it was? It’s clear pundits don’t, and Republican in Congress don’t, but who else? I don’t remember any broad public rejection of anything.
Original Lee
@Laura W: Laura and Andrew:
Don’t you just love how he persistently persists in reminding people about his philosophy of persistence?
I’ll have to admit, I snickered out loud when he hit that line, but as usual, I was the only one in the room doing so. I just love that sly dry way he has of slipping one past the press corps.
TenguPhule
You can’t drag the crazies away to Liberal Reeducation camps if you don’t know who they are.
TenguPhule
I think its because of the "ums".
It drives me crazy every time I see someone speaking publically who does that repeatedly.
If you have to think about it, please do not attempt to fill the silence with useless sounds in the meantime.
Francis
Follow-up point to my earlier comment that good governance is tedious:
Good governance is also the art of the possible. This is why DeLong (who served in the Treasury Dept) is correct, and why Krugman and Duncan Black are wrong. In my field, this is why I’ve given up commenting at Aguanomics.
Efficiency in government is great, mostly because it saves tax dollars. But there are other values in governance. Institutional knowledge is one. Compromise is another. Risk hedging is a third. Legal obstacles are a fourth.
What does this mean? In water, it means that it is not always possible to set rates at the prices which maximize efficient use of water. For one, people disagree bitterly about what "efficient use of water" means. For another, people with large lawns are also the ones who vote. (Further details about efficiency and water pricing available on demand for those not already suffering MEGO.)
In the banking crisis, it means that large scale nationalization / receivership of large banks can’t happen yet, even if it’s the most "efficient" course of action. Going thru my four points: The FDIC lacks the institutional knowledge to put a bank the size of BoA into receivership. Receivership will really p*ss off powerful constituencies, including moderate republicans and major contributors to the D party. Receivership is risky; taking an interim step provides an opportunity to hedge. Receivership of the bank parent company may well be illegal right now (hence the new legislation being submitted to Congress.)
Now, moving the government in the desired direction requires that somebody stand way beyond what’s politically possible, screaming and yelling when he doesn’t get everything he wants and pointing out all the downsides of compromise. This is why Prof. K is playing a vital role.
And, you know, sometimes the extremists are right and the compromisers wrong. Sometimes taking the halfway step instead of the full step ends up being far worse than expected. But that’s one of the prices of living in a democracy.
Steve V
The teleprompter meme isn’t just about attacking Obama’s communication skills; they’re trying to set up an image of Obama being inarticulate and even stupid — he can’t think and needs to have the words being placed in front of him. I recognize that it’s a basic tack for the political opposition to try to portray their nemesis as unintelligent (although I think that was deployed more against Bush II and Reagan than it was against Bush I and Clinton), but in the context of Obama I think this could get racially ugly before too long.
MikeJ
I can assure you people on the left have no excess love for Obama. They simply thought a moderate republican was far better than a right wing extremist. The only people who ever thought Obama was of "the left" were very, very silly people, primarily of the right.
Zifnab
@TenguPhule: Man. All that talk of black helicopters flying in to take away the guns and throwing conservative wackjobs into "reeducation facilities" doesn’t seem like such a bad idea at this stage of the game. It’s almost as though they’re asking for it.
Zifnab
@Steve V:
Before too long? Really? Ya think?
Davis X. Machina
Why don’t they just say ‘black’?
Keith
@r€nato:
There’s also "They got a guy with abs to be president? Well, we need to get a guy with better abs!" Mark my words, Aaron Schock will be Bobby Jindal’s replacement, regardless of whether he’s in Mensa or got a degree from Oral Roberts U. For the GOP, the shortest midget wins.
TenguPhule
@Zifnab
I’d support this option solely for the reason that it would get the wackjobs to shut up, one way or another. Then maybe the papers and tv would show some real news with real reporting.
forked tongue
No, no, no, no, and no.
You’re imagining that there might be some empirical basis for the "questioning."
His abilities are being "questioned" because he is a Democrat and they hate him. Period, end of story.
Ash Can
I’d like to go on record as saying that I hope curtis sticks around here. He seems entirely sane, genuinely intelligent and genuinely conservative, in the strictly defined, small-c, old-school sense, unlike the usual contrarians around here. I mean, let’s face it — Atanarjuat’s routine is getting kind of old now that there isn’t much in the way of right-wing silliness to spoof (it’s gotten so silly that it spoofs itself), and everyone else who finds their way here from the right is a walking, talking psychiatric case study. Curtis seems like a nice antidote for the batshit, and I for one hope he stays.
TenguPhule
No, I’m not.
The "um" thing is a common problem with public speakers.
Obama just needs some practice to stop that bad habit,
then the world is his oyster.
kay
@MikeJ:
There will never, ever be a President as overly hyped as Reagan was and is by the right. Forget "President". Person.
It’s impossible. Even if we set out to do that, we couldn’t beat the Reagan hype, because it grows, every year. They have a nearly 30 year head start on assembling a body of hype. Millions of words.
kay
@forked tongue:
I just think if you’re going to say "Obama can’t find support for his policies" you should probably be able to point to a policy.
Because if you can’t do that, you’re making stuff up.
InflatableCommenter
When did we start qualifying only for the third-rate trolls?
Are we not leaving enough troll food out by the back porch?
Christ, we are down to a few wannabees and Atanajumama.
This is sad.
MikeJ
Key, I do hope you’ll note that I agree with you. The part of my post that you appear to be responding to was a quote from curtis.
Common Sense
I think you guys are missing the effectiveness of the "professor/lecturer" line of attack. It allows for multiple memes to spread simultaneously:
A) He’s boring. He’s one of those profs that puts you to sleep, especially when varying from the notes.
B) He hasn’t been there and done that. The line "those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach" resonates quite loudly with a huge segment of society.
C) He can’t actually do anything. He can read a teleprompter/give a lecture, but like the airhead prof that can’t manage a checkbook he’s incompetent at actually doing.
I’m not saying any of these things are true, and I think that Obama does a very effective job of silencing them every time he opens his mouth. But it is an easy trail of breadcrumbs for a lazy mind, or even a distracted one, to follow.
curtis
@mandarama, Eager Minion @LV-426 @Miriam:
You bring up good points. I shouldn’t have used a blanket "you all", as it obviously didn’t communicate what I wanted. When I say that "you all", I really mean "Obama supporters in general". I don’t think that’s what came across, and you certainly aren’t to be faulted for my poor writing. My apologies.
Still, I do think that there is a perception outside of just conservatism that Obama is (or at least at one time was) seen as almost faultless. Part of this has to do with the simple fact that campaigning means being excited about a candidate in ways that are blind to his flaws, but a lot of it has continued since he’s been President. Still, these pages have been filled with many even-handed, realistic critiques of Obama, and I was certainly wrong to blanketly generalize.
In any case, I too enjoy more in-depth analysis, which often can be called "boring", especially when compared to the usual network-TV info-tainment that has become a substitute for real reporting in the MSM. Nonetheless, I do think that Obama’s ability to communicate with "the common man" has seen better days than last night’s presser. Obama came across as dry and intelligent, which isn’t a bad thing necessarily, however he’s shown the ability to be far more dynamic and communicative in the campaign, and I think people need to see that if he’s to continue with the kinds of stratospheric approval ratings he’s garnered in his first few months of office.
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:
Is that really the best you can do? You’re fellow commentators were far more reasonable, even-handed, and civil.
TenguPhule
Please keep in mind he was being forced to explain to idiotic five year olds in the same room with him the basics of government and economics.
kay
@MikeJ:
I know that. I just get tired of this accusation, that we’re all blind Obama-worshippers.
Coming from the members of the Church of Ronald Reagan, it rankles.
Mnemosyne
My favorite commenter was the one who said the Democrats have controlled both houses of Congress for the past 8 years.
How do you even argue with someone that ignorant?
bh
@Doug J
Honestly I think it was much more than a weak spot. To claim that the press is returning to its ‘normal’ adversarial role is really living in an alternative universe.
Sullivan just comes off as someone preaching a repug talking point. The media loved Obama before but now he’s in office they are getting back to their proper roles. bullshit. McCain ran one of the crappiest campaigns ever yet there were many examples where he wasn’t held to the same standard as Obama (for example Wright vs Hagee or Ayres vs Liddy). And we are all very aware of the media’s disappearance during the Bush years.
I believe more in the ‘they didn’t call on us even though we are the new york fucking times!’ perspective of Atrios for them being so-called polite assholes.
@Darius
Maybe he would – I don’t read him that often. But if that is indeed the case he has a different definition of normal than I do.
Finally, ‘sharpness’ and the press are not words I’m putting together.
Svensker
@kay:
Church of Ronald Reagan!?! I remember a year or two after the Iraq invasion going into a Christian book store and being confronted by Bush’s mug on a book that was basically saying Dubya was Jesus’s newest incarnation. As a Christian, I actually felt it was blasphemy, and that’s not an emotion I feel very often.
JenJen
@Dave C: Good stuff. Nuance and humor escape the Meme Writers, though. These are VERY SERIOUS TIMES and it is NOT a LAUGHING MATTER.
:-)
Common Sense
Bit OT:
offensive? hilarious? both?
Common Sense
sorry (software sucks):
link
harlana pepper
Media: How dare Obama speak to the American public as if they are adults with moderate intelligence after we’ve worked sooo hard to dumb ’em down. Shit, now we have to do our homework! With no cookies!!!
Ash Can
@curtis:
I don’t think anyone honestly expects him to maintain stratospheric approval ratings, including (and probably starting with) Obama himself. Every president has a "honeymoon" approval period, then when the rubber starts to meet the road, the numbers change.
Furthermore, he’s bound to be more pedantic and less inspirational in the format of a press conference. He’s being asked specific questions, and (especially compared with his predecessor) tends to have a wealth of information at his fingertips that he can and does include in his replies. I’m sure this isn’t the last time we’ll hear complaints from the media et al. about his pedantry. When he’s asked for information, he delivers, and the people on the receiving end need to be ready for it.
Brachiator
@curtis:
You miss the point. A certain level of the punditocracy has latched onto "boring" as though this says something important about Obama’s press conference. It doesn’t. And this has nothing to do with whether one is "supposed to be" an Obama cheerleader.
The main thing that the average citizen cares about is whether Obama is making the right decisions. The average Joe or Jane won’t even watch the press conference, but will turn to one of their political junkie friends and want to know if Obama were more or less on target. And then they will get on with their lives.
They won’t give a rat’s ass whether or not Obama was "boring."
The same thing was true of Reagan. The same was true of FDR. Only a fool would write about whether a Reagan speech or an FDR fireside chat was boring. The only relevant question is whether the average viewer feels reassured.
I have no interest in insisting the the answer must be "Yes! Yes! Oh God, yes!" But during my morning commute, I don’t hear grumblings. I don’t hear any great dissatisfaction with Obama (and I’m in California where the grumbling is deep and loud about the Sacramento leadership).
As much as it might dissapoint the GOP faithful or those who think that politics requires some kind of loyalty oath, I don’t get much of a hint of buyer’s remorse among the populace. In fact one of the funnier aspects of recent LA elections was watching people respond "Obama," when asked who they voted for. Turns out that most of these were people who didn’t turnout for the LA mayoral election, but who still were jazzed about voting for Obama.
Andrew
I think that the press wants to see a dynamic and stirring speech.
I think the public at large, on the other hand, is quite happy hearing from a calm and thoughtful individual. Especially the 10-15% of the electorate that did not vote for Obama but now approves of his work.
The press wants talking points, controversy, and banner headlines. A 4 minute conversation about persistence is rather difficult to make into a headline.
Rick Taylor
I just got around to reading the transcripts of Obama’s press conference. Two immediate impressions.
First off, I cannot imagine our previous President carrying on conversations anywhere near this level of depth or sophistication. It’s inconceivable, and I suspect everyone knows it. That some conservatives are now choosing to riff on Obama’s inability to communicate simply shows how tremendously dishonest they are.
Second, it’s amazing to see the press finally so concerned about budget projections ten years out. When Bush proposed his tax cuts, they were dishonestly designed to be fazed in, to hide the long term cost. When even that left the costs too high, they put in the sunset clause. It was a staggeringly dishonest display. When economists like Krugman spoke of how unaffordable it would be, they were talking about the long term costs (because it was only in the long term that they were fully fazed in). Back then, I don’t remember reporters caring much about that issue. It’s only under a Democrat that they suddenly worry about fiscal responsibility.
kay
@Svensker:
I know lots of religious Democrats and liberals and I’m completely sympathetic to your complaint. I’m not religious, but if I were, I would hate that they hijacked my whole life philosophy. I think you should fight back, but I see the obvious problem with my "fight back" approach, considering.
bago
Can’t comment.
I have duties (doodies?). This isn’t a lame plea for sympathy, but simply a statement that indicates that I’m going to be busy for a while.
(doesn’t that indicate that you feel you are important enough to inform the commentariat to warn them of your absence? Yeah yeah yeah. Just waaaay harder to type.)
Joshua Norton
Dood, even WITH a teleprompter, Bush said the craziest shit a president of EVER uttered. It’s so strange that it didn’t bother the press way back, oh, last year. I recall it being “folksy”, and “down to earth”…it was in fact “functionally illiterate”, and “stupid”.
Next up:
OMG. OBAMA IS PLANTING A COMMIE VEGETABLE GARDEN!
Zifnab
@Andrew:
The press wants to see something exciting, one way or another. They’ll be just as happy with a gaffe-laden goofball monstrosity as another "I Have a Dream". So long as it gives them something superficial to prattle over the next day.
God forbid they actually tackle policy.
forked tongue
TenguPhule: It’s not that "um"s can’t be a problem, it’s that they have nothing to do with this meme taking flight.
One Who Hath Waited
"President" is too demeaning a title for Barack Obama.
Trolls–cease your criticism of Him. It is futile. Antiwingnuts–He does not need your feeble support or defense. Why are you not proposing a proper appellation for Him, instead of jousting with vermin and gratzing each other?
Nancy B
Have any of the wingnut retards compared this yet to how Queen Sarah turned water into wine when her teleprompter went on the fritz and she finished her speech by memory?
Brachiator
@Nancy B:
Didn’t Palin shoot the teleprompter?
Of course, this is all ridiculous and I’m glad that the GOP continues to grasp at straws.
Seems like it was only yesterday when Elizabeth Hasselbeck was on "The View" bloviating about how Obama shouldn’t have been smiling when he was talking about the economy. So, on Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, Obama is not serious enough; and on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday he is too serious.
These pitiful fools are so transparent. The sad part is that some of theme believe that their futile machinations mean anything.
El Cid
Not only are the Obama’s cultivating a communist Muslim organic garden at the White House, OMFG THEY’RE GROWING ARUGULA!!!
TenguPhule
Welcome to our liberal media.
AnneLaurie
Michael Wolff is a media whore who salves his self-respect by assuming that only idiots do it for nothing. If he’s ever queried about this piece by one of his this-year-all-the-fashionistas-luv-Obama peers, he’ll explain that telling the john he’s "so big" and "the best ever" is just part of getting them finished faster so MW can move on to the next one.
bob h
Memewatch: Obama does not represent real change.