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ATTN: Microsoft

by John Cole|  March 26, 20092:39 pm| 120 Comments

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What exactly was the point of me manually turning off my user account control so I would no longer get spammed with questions every time I tried to install software if your security system was just going to spam me with notifications that MY USER ACCOUNT CONTROLS HAVE BEEN TURNED OFF?

I have spent the last three hours trying to fix something and am ready to scream.

*** Update ***

I will cut the first person to start crowing about the superiority of Apple. I have both an Apple and a Vista machine. They are good for different things.

*** Update #2 ***

Speaking of technology, this from Marc Ambinder made me laugh out loud:

I’ve been critical of the White House New Media office before, but I think they deserve kudos today for instigating and executing the President’s first online town hall meeting. (Macon Phillips, the new media director, and Jesse Lee, the online programs director, spent a long time putting this together.) One — the White House says that Obama wasn’t briefed about the questions in advance. Two — several questions weren’t softballs. Three — the White House web servers had enough bandwith to accomodate the demand. (To test them, I pulled it up simultaneously on several computers without a program.)

Yes, Marc, that sure was a rigorous stress test of the system you did there. Good thing the White House was pushing enough bandwidth to accommodate millions of citizens AND those three extra computers in your office. I hope the banking industry stress tests are a touch more rigorous- “To test the banks out, I had everyone in my family simultaneously withdraw twenty dollars from an atm, and things seemed ok!”

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  1. 1.

    Rainy

    March 26, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    Yeah! The other problem is that they renamed a lot of stuff in Vista, so it’s hard to find out how change anything. Instead of Add/Remove Programs. It’s called Programs and Features. It took me a bit to figure that out.

    I just got a comp with Windows Vista 64 bit. I love the free Zonealarm Firewall, but they discontinued their 64 bit Vista firewall because it has too many bugs. So now I have to use the Windows Firewall and Windows Defender until I find a good firewall. Works pretty good, but the alerts are annoying.

  2. 2.

    Unabogie

    March 26, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    ATTN: John

    Ever try Ubuntu?

  3. 3.

    TenguPhule

    March 26, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    I have spent the last three hours trying to fix something and am ready to scream.

    Ah Vista.

    Can’t live with it, can’t break Bill Gate’s kneecaps with a testy laptop.

  4. 4.

    cleek

    March 26, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    when you learn to ignore that popup, you will have achieved Enlightenment.

    luckily, it will close itself after a few seconds.

  5. 5.

    Billy K (D-TX)

    March 26, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    I will cut the first person to start crowing about the superiority of Apple.

    Ever try Ubuntu?

    ahem.

  6. 6.

    Adrienne

    March 26, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    I will cut

    Whoa. I did NOT know you grew up in the hood. You gonna cut a bitch now? Oh snizzap. You just got all e-gangsta on that azz son! LOL

  7. 7.

    Zifnab

    March 26, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    Yeah, I stick with XP at all costs. Microsoft is really only good for every other release. You know their product is worth buying when they discontinue support on it.

    Still better than Apple by miles.

  8. 8.

    Keith

    March 26, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    I seriously recommend to anyone running Vista that they ditch it for the Windows 7 beta. Vista is that bad, and Win7 is that good. Yes, I know it’s beta software, but it is rock solid and very fast.
    On your spamming issue, have you tried clicking the alert to see if there is an option to disable future alerts of the same message?

  9. 9.

    Comrade Dread

    March 26, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    I have spent the last three hours trying to fix something and am ready to scream.

    I gave up trying to fight Vista and have settled into a nice state of repressed anger.

    It feels like burning.

  10. 10.

    someone

    March 26, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    ahem.

    Linux != Apple

  11. 11.

    Comrade Darkness

    March 26, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    On the upside my windows 7 beta install looks interesting and actually seems to want to be useful.

    (Probably doesn’t hurt that it looks just like mac os x.)

    Not clear why they need another year to release it. They need time to add in the annoying stuff, perhaps.

  12. 12.

    JenJen

    March 26, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Why, I believe this is a crow eating an…

  13. 13.

    KLG

    March 26, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    OK, I give up. What is the Vista machine good for that the Apple can’t do?

  14. 14.

    comrade scott's agenda of rage

    March 26, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    John: I hope you see this. It’s a freebie plug in that allows UAC to work if you’re logged in as the administrator (which you most likely are) but not prompt you endlessly about installing shit:

    find.pcworld.com/61960

    It’s called TweakUAC. Works like a charm. Before you use it, make sure you turn UAC back on. Reboot for the hell of it. Then run this.

  15. 15.

    Quaker in a Basement

    March 26, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    @unabogie:

    I was thinking of posting something similar, but Ubuntu is just as bad about nagging you when you’re trying to make system changes.

  16. 16.

    TheHatOnMyCat

    March 26, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    I have spent the last three hours trying to fix something and am ready to scream.

    Heh. You just paraphrased my job description.

    Ever try Ubuntu?

    Yes, and I am buying a copy of XP to turn that laptop into something useful. Ubuntu is not ready for prime time. It is an easy and cheap way to get a wounded machine online in a few mins, but other than that, I can’t see that it is useful for any real purpose.

    To quote Demi, wait until you have a wireless networking problem with it. Unless you are an irrecoverable geek, you might as well throw your machine away.

    I can write my own OS in less time than it takes to research, get and figure out how to deploy fixes to common problems with Ubuntu.

    Analogy:

    Q: Dear board, my car made a funny noise when I made a left turn, what should I do?

    Answer: Did you try the series 6.0.0023 brakepads? These work more quietly if you are running the aftermarket rotors. Otherwise see if you can get the 6.0.0012 brakepads.

    Q: Uh, I wasn’t using the brakes when the noise occurred.

    Answer: You have to put the whole front wheel assembly in compliance with the bulletin before you can address the noise.

    etc ad infinitum

    ( sound of laptop hitting bottom of dumpster )

  17. 17.

    TheFountainHead

    March 26, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    It’s just a different school of thought. OS X tells you nothing. When it works, it works as it should and doesn’t get in your way. When it stops working your only option is to get your geek propeller moving at liftoff speeds or to nuke’n’pave (my personal choice). Vista wants to be your best friend and tell you everything and ask you questions. When it works, it’s annoying but highly functional. When it doesn’t work, it’s enraging and a drop from more than 30ft is your only rational option.

  18. 18.

    The Other Steve

    March 26, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    I’m a bit at a loss, after I turned off UAC I got no more prompts.

    I’ve moved on from Vista to Windows 7 beta for now. Gotta admit, while Vista x64 on my machine with 8 gigs of RAM was pretty smooth, certainly stable… Windows 7 is bloody fast.

  19. 19.

    SKapusniak

    March 26, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    The ‘Change the way Security Centre alerts me’ link in the right hand side of the security centre doesn’t do what you want?

    Admittedly the option does seem to be to turn it off for absolutely everything, but I’ve since never had that thing nag me anytime *except* for when I’d deliberately turned something off, that may or may not be a problem.

    Disclaimer: I’m a loon who runs with UAC on so there might be subtlties I’m unaware of.

  20. 20.

    Zifnab

    March 26, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    @KLG:

    OK, I give up. What is the Vista machine good for that the Apple can’t do?

    Running applications?

  21. 21.

    Comrade Darkness

    March 26, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    @TheFountainHead: "OS X tells you nothing."

    uh, /var/log is your friend. Combined with lsof I’ve never not figured out what the computer is doing….

  22. 22.

    BDeevDad

    March 26, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    Until you said this

    To quote Demi, wait until you have a wireless networking problem with it. Unless you are an irrecoverable geek, you might as well throw your machine away.

    I was about to argue. Then again, I’m an irrecoverable geek.

  23. 23.

    Dennis-SGMM

    March 26, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    My new video card didn’t have drivers for Win2K. That seemed to me to be the writing on the wall for 2K so I went OS shopping. I bought a copy of XP even though I could have bought Vista for less. Ubuntu is nice and so is Mandriva, both show just how far Linux has come from the old days. I have some Windows-only apps so it was Windows. XP is okay, I wouldn’t touch Vista with a ten foot pole.

  24. 24.

    JenJen

    March 26, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    @John Cole, top:

    LOL at Update #2. What happened to Ambinder? He really was one of my go-to favorites during the entire election year, but in covering the Administration, he writes some really dopey stuff as of late.

  25. 25.

    Scott de B.

    March 26, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    I have both an Apple and a Vista machine. They are good for different things.

    That’s quite true. I bet the Vista machine makes a nice footrest while you work on your Mac.

  26. 26.

    boomshanka

    March 26, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Try this:

    1. Open Windows Security Center
    2. In the left hand column, click "Change the way Windows Security Center Alerts Me."
    3. Click "Don’t notify me and don’t display the icon (not recommended.)"

  27. 27.

    Rainy

    March 26, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    The White House did have a lot of bandwidth. I was able to watch the online townhall without it buffering once. It was great. I also have a new comp, so that helped, too.

  28. 28.

    The Moar You Know

    March 26, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    John:

    Here’s how to turn off the notifications.

    You’re welcome.

    PS: I run Vista. I like it, once you turn UAC and the notifications off.

    Server 2008 is the best damn OS ever made by anybody, however.

  29. 29.

    bago

    March 26, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    Without a program? Was he manually changing the voltage in the wire? Typing binary by hand?

  30. 30.

    MIT

    March 26, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    @KLG, Zifnab
    Many great older win applications are also available on OSX… for a fee.

    OSX is great if you have bottomless pockets and use the same software at least 1,000 other people use.

    see. e.g., OSX Fetch FTP client.

  31. 31.

    debit

    March 26, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    My operating system history: DOS, Win 95, Win 98, XP. I seem to have skipped all the troublesome releases. I guess this means 7 will be a keeper.

  32. 32.

    cleek

    March 26, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    Vista is that bad

    evs.

    i like Vista and have had no problems at all – none, zero – with it.

  33. 33.

    camchuck

    March 26, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    @JenJen:
    Agree and same for Chuck Todd. They seem to have decided to apply for full Villager status.

  34. 34.

    bago

    March 26, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Also, UAC can be annoying with a new machine, but I think I’d prefer to know when an app is installing or changing my system.

  35. 35.

    Comrade Darkness

    March 26, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    @debit:

    You must have waited and gotten revision b of 95 first go, cuz revision a was a disaster of random crashing and incompatible everything.

  36. 36.

    Foxhunter

    March 26, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    (To test them, I pulled it up simultaneously on several computers…..)

    H: Honey, can you follow me to the interstate in your car? Make sure the kids follow us in their cars, too.

    S: What for, dumbass husband?

    H: I’m doing a bandwidth test of Interstate 75. Don’t ask stupid questions.

  37. 37.

    Calouste

    March 26, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    @Comrade Darkness:

    Not clear why they need another year to release it. They need time to add in the annoying stuff, perhaps.

    It won’t be another year. But that is about as much as I can tell you.

  38. 38.

    Matt

    March 26, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    I busted out laughing in my office reading this. Thanks.

  39. 39.

    John Cole

    March 26, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    @JenJen: A lot of really smart people, or people who are reasonably smart at what they know well, are simply clueless about how a lot of things work. It can lead to funny stuff.

  40. 40.

    gwangung

    March 26, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    Yes, Marc, that sure was a rigorous stress test of the system you did there. Good thing the White House was pushing enough bandwidth to accommodate millions of citizens AND those three extra computers in your office. I hope the banking industry stress tests are a touch more rigorous- “To test the banks out, I had everyone in my family simultaneously withdraw twenty dollars from an atm, and things seemed ok!”

    But isn’t he used to dealing with Republican tech wizardry?

  41. 41.

    jibeaux

    March 26, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Well, *I* have a six year old piece of crap Toshiba laptop that is slower than dog’s balls and the keys stick and the DVD drive doesn’t work and it ignores me all the time and it makes me lose my will to live, and replacing it is now second on the list because I learned that going without a dishwasher in a family of four is even worse and I can’t afford either right now and it sucks to give up your credit cards so any one of you who has a semi-functioning machine of any variety where the most you have to worry about is a few popups can just lick me, and I want my own paypal donation link. Also too.

  42. 42.

    Dirk

    March 26, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    I endorse the W7 recommendations; it’s fast, stable and less obtrusive than Vista, which itself is a big improvement on XP.

  43. 43.

    Tonal Crow

    March 26, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    UAC notifications are not "spam". When you install anything — and especially when you install it using, or for use by, an administrator account — you are trusting it not to spy on you or to corrupt your data. Determining whether that trust is merited can be a challenge, especially if you have real security needs (e.g., you’re a lawyer). Too many people willy-nilly download stuff of unknown provenance from the ‘net, through an insecure browser, put it where it can easily be tampered with, don’t bother to check for a valid digital signature, install it in (and for use by) an administrator account, then wonder why their ISP has banned them for mass-mailing spam.

    Computer security is serious stuff, man.

  44. 44.

    Jon H

    March 26, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    To be fair, if Ambinder tried to do an actual ‘stress test’ he’d essentially be performing a Denial of Service attack on the White House during a high-profile event.

    Which would accomplish little but would probably earn him attention he doesn’t want.

    Ambinder’s tiny test did serve to the extent of showing that people probably wouldn’t be having bandwidth trouble with the site.

    Back in the bad old days of Balloon Juice, one wouldn’t need to spawn ten thousand browser requests to determine if the site was having problems.

  45. 45.

    DougJ

    March 26, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Yes, Marc, that sure was a rigorous stress test of the system you did there. Good thing the White House was pushing enough bandwidth to accommodate millions of citizens AND those three extra computers in your office. I hope the banking industry stress tests are a touch more rigorous- “To test the banks out, I had everyone in my family simultaneously withdraw twenty dollars from an atm, and things seemed ok!”

    Ha.

  46. 46.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    March 26, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    “To test the banks out, I had everyone in my family simultaneously withdraw twenty dollars from an atm, and things seemed ok!”

    lmfao

  47. 47.

    Comrade Darkness

    March 26, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    @jibeaux: Hey, don’t gripe at me. I’m on a 7 year old laptop that got a new hard drive to eek it along a while longer. Detaching the keyboard and giving it a good cleaning with q-tips and rubbing alcohol is really worth your while, btw. If you have cats, packing tape works wonders too for snagging those hairs that making the keys intermittent.

    And I’m currently planting the potatoes that sprouted under the sink over the winter for food this summer.

    So there.

    btw, I had an old toshiba, eons ago, replacing the drives was literally plug and play (even with linux). have you checked ebay for a dirt cheap, but working replacement?

  48. 48.

    debit

    March 26, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    @ Comrade Darkness

    Yep. They had to pry DOS 6.something from my hands with a crowbar. Man, that makes me feel old. I still remember when a 40 MB drive seemed too huge to ever fill.

  49. 49.

    D-Chance.

    March 26, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    OK, enough with this silliness…

    One—the White House says that Obama wasn’t briefed about the questions in advance.

    Does anyone really believe that? If so, I’ve got some nuculer material that I scarfed from Iraq that I’ll sell ya real cheap…

    Two—several questions weren’t softballs.

    Well, if you’re foolish enough to believe "One-", the "Two-" may be plausible.

    But, c’mon. The questions are screened, Obamamerica knows what they were in advance, and as a result the answers are all ready to go from teleprompter to your home computer.

  50. 50.

    Dennis-SGMM

    March 26, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    @Dirk:
    AFAIK, MS has stopped offering downloads of the Win7 Beta. They will be offering free downloads of the Release Candidate in May.

  51. 51.

    MNPundit

    March 26, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Now be fair, maybe he had those computer operate DNS-attack style constantly pinging.

  52. 52.

    Punchy

    March 26, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    Move to a Commadore64. Or perhaps a Apple IIc. I hear they’re bulletproof.

  53. 53.

    Ella in NM

    March 26, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    @jibeaux:

    Awwww, that’s so pitiful–REALLY!

    I have SOOOOO been there. We nearly went tits up after I lost my job 6 years ago–only we had 4 kids and no dishwasher and credit card debt up the ying yang to pay off. It sucks while it lasts, but I promise, it will pass. :-)

    Chin up–it can only get better from here! (and later on, while the rest of the world is crashing, I am so damn glad I learned to live on less and was debt free to boot!)

  54. 54.

    Comrade Darkness

    March 26, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    @Calouste: "It won’t be another year. But that is about as much as I can tell you."

    Take your time. It doesn’t matter to me, other than needing to do validation on yet another browser. On that note, can you please force-delete all remaining copies of IE6 and save the economy a few billion $ a year in wasted human hours and suffering? The last two major web projects I’ve been a sub on . . . that sucker has upped the final cost of the project front end by no less than 50%. With 18% of market share, the client cannot be convince to let the requirement drop, no matter how much spaghetti code ends up clogging up a nice new system to support that CSS-standard ignoring piece of dung.

  55. 55.

    jibeaux

    March 26, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    @Comrade Darkness:

    No, because I hate this laptop with every fiber of my being and every month I think maybe I’ll be able to get a new one but it is never going to happen. Eventually I will probably have to put some effort into upgrades, but I was really really interested in furthering our disposable consumer culture on this one. I wash and re-use Ziploc bags, but I want this computer out of my life. The keys sticking is not really accurate, it is more that you press them and they do not type the letter. When it comes to passwords, you pretty much have to type the thing elsewhere, where you can laboriously type it in and confirm that it’s right, then cut and paste it into the password field.

    I’m doing tomatoes, peppers, broccoli, a bunch of herbs, salad greens, but I admit that potatoes seem like too much work for what potatoes cost (I’ve never planted anything in a mound so there’d be a learning curve to boot), but ain’t nuthin’ wrong with planting old ones that have sprouted. I’m planning on trying to save the seeds of anything I get this summer that is successful.

  56. 56.

    Jon H

    March 26, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    "OSX is great if you have bottomless pockets and use the same software at least 1,000 other people use.
    see. e.g., OSX Fetch FTP client."

    Whereas on Windows you can use a crappy app that nobody uses… because it’s crappy!

    There are often free equivalents on the Mac. Cyberduck instead of Fetch, for instance. (Yes, it’s a stupid name. I assume it’s based on the old Apple OpenDoc internet tool thingy called CyberDog, which was also a stupid name.)

    @TheFountainHead: "OS X tells you nothing."

    /Applications/Utilities/Console is your friend.

  57. 57.

    xyzzy

    March 26, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    i like Vista and have had no problems at all – none, zero – with it.

    To be fair, the hardware makes a world of difference. Vista — like most Microsoft OSes — is designed to be run on a large variety of heterogeneous platforms, with differing components. It’s okay with some, but not with others, especially if said hardware isn’t fairly new. So one person’s experience isn’t really any way to judge the system.

  58. 58.

    jibeaux

    March 26, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    @Ella in NM:

    You’re sweet. I’m very lucky, employed, husband employed, lots of folks would trade places with us in a heartbeat and no doubt succeed much better at saving money. We’re fine. I just don’t know how people do it, and I’m not an extravagant spender by any means. It’s just literally always something, a busted pipe or a cracked engine block or time for summer camps! and at some point you spend all your money trying to maintain the standard western comforts and the things that allow you to earn that money, which really kind of makes me want to re-explore goat herding or hunter-gathering as a new career option, but then I’d miss you guys.

  59. 59.

    Jon H

    March 26, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    @xyzzy: "Vista—like most Microsoft OSes—is designed to be run on a large variety of heterogeneous platforms, with differing components. It’s okay with some, but not with others, especially if said hardware isn’t fairly new."

    This is self-contradictory.

    If Vista is designed to run on a large variety of heterogeneous platforms, with differing components, then it should actually *run* on hardware that isn’t fairly new.

    That it has such problems suggests that the variety and heterogeneity it was designed for weren’t all that large.

    (Though to some extent, of course, the problems are due to third parties not producing drivers, rather than mistakes from Microsoft.)

  60. 60.

    AhabTRuler

    March 26, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    credit card debt up the ying yang

    You really should try using a filing cabinet.

  61. 61.

    Dennis-SGMM

    March 26, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    @debit:
    That would be DOS6.2. Ah, the good old days. What blew, for me, was when MS followed Windows for Workgroups 3.11 (Look ma, TCP-IP and 32 bit file access!) with Win95.
    Wonder how much – if any – WINNT 4.0/Win2K code still lurks under the hood of Win7>

  62. 62.

    Comrade Darkness

    March 26, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    @jibeaux. Or our local electronics recycler gets in working equipment. I chatted up ours and the very nice guy there was happy to watch for particular models coming through. He still want’s $$ but much less than a used computer shop would, or ebay.

    Honestly though. We never had a dishwasher when I was a kid. Or, let me rephrase. We kids WERE the dishwashers.

  63. 63.

    Jason

    March 26, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    @zifnab:

    Funny…I have lots of choices on OS X application-wise. Most of them better than their Windows equivalents. I also have the option of running Windows in vmware for those apps I just can’t get.

    What class of application are you running on Windows that you can’t run on the Mac?

  64. 64.

    Andre

    March 26, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    I turned UAC off as the first thing I did when I upgraded from XP, and never had a problem afterwards.

    I’ve been very happy with Vista-it’s smooth, stable, user friendly and faster than XP (although given that I have a gaming rig it was already pretty fast.) I’ve had maybe one bluescreen in six months, and that was the result of the same Creative Labs drivers that gave me grief in XP and Kubuntu.

    DX10 alone was worth the price of the upgrade.

  65. 65.

    John S.

    March 26, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    which really kind of makes me want to re-explore goat herding or hunter-gathering as a new career option

    I’ve only taken to planting a small vegetable garden in my atrium and a lovely herb garden on my front porch. It doesn’t save me a ton of money, but my family (especially my son) really enjoy the experience and you get a definite sense of pride in having grown something yourself. And, the stuff tastes a hell of a lot better if you do a good job. Also, at least I know where my food is coming from and that it isn’t laden with pesticides and bizarre fertilizers.

    I don’t think I can go that route with livestock. I used to work summers on my brother’s beef/veal farm in upstate New York, and that was more than enough for me.

  66. 66.

    xyzzy

    March 26, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    If Vista is designed to run on a large variety of heterogeneous platforms, with differing components, then it should actually run on hardware that isn’t fairly new.

    I suspect the issues with older hardware (which are real) are the result of the well known phenomenon of bit rot. Additionally, MS appears to remove support over time for some devices, perhaps believing that maintaining the drivers (i.e., preventing the rot) is not cost effective. And of course, there are the issues you mentioned with third parties, too, Jon H.

    At any rate, my point was that disparate hardware platforms seem to be a major part of the reason why one person has OS issues with Microsoft, but another one doesn’t. (In my admittedly limited experience supporting myself in grad school as a sysadmin.)

  67. 67.

    MNPundit

    March 26, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    @Unabogie: My girlfriend has used Ubuntu for about 16 months now and all I have seen convinces me to run far away from linux. It’s interface is bizarre, it can’t play my favorite PC games, and she has to struggle mightily to update it and she is a fricking tech person. If the learning curve is that extreme on Ubuntu and I can’t even play the latest Total War on it, Ubuntu is almost as useless to me as apple.

  68. 68.

    jibeaux

    March 26, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    @Comrade Darkness:

    I know, I’m a whiner, but it’s taking like an hour to an hour and a half to get the day’s dishes done and dried and put up and it’s making me irritable. I only have one kid who could feasibly wash dishes without causing an even bigger mess, and I have him tasked to a number of other things, and when you get home about 5:45 and have to check homework and practice piano and occasionally bathe, etc. you kind of want to give the kid a little down time too. He’s not spoiled, though, the last time he wanted a gumball from the machine I told him no one was getting anything they wanted until mommy got a dishwasher.

  69. 69.

    jibeaux

    March 26, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    @John S.:

    Oh, yeah, I’m doing the veggie garden & herbs, too, like I told my comrade. Even though my tomato seedlings are pitiful and may actually be deceased at this point, my dad is going to give me more.

  70. 70.

    Keith

    March 26, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    So if he ran those 3 machines and got slowdown on any of them, the assumption would have been that it’s the White House’ lack of bandwidth instead of, say, his pipe to the ISP?

  71. 71.

    Dennis-SGMM

    March 26, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    @Keith:
    It would have been proof that the Obama administration has the IP addresses of its critics and is slowly choking off their access to the intertrons.

  72. 72.

    Calouste

    March 26, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    @Keith:

    Yes, in the same way Ambinder thinks that if an ATM is out of service it means that the bank has gone under.

  73. 73.

    Max

    March 26, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    What class of application are you running on Windows that you can’t run on the Mac?

    I use Avisynth a lot. As far as I know there is nothing equivalent for Mac. Supposedly version 3 will be available for both Windows and Mac, but that’s been the promise for years, and in the meantime it’s Windows only.

    By the way, I highly recommend a website called Gizmo’s Freeware Reviews to all Windows users. It’s a great resource for finding free software, much of which is actually quite useful.

  74. 74.

    MikeJ

    March 26, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Yes, in the same way Ambinder thinks that if an ATM is out of service it means that the bank has gone under.

    That was what McCain meant when he said the fundamentals of our economy were strong.

  75. 75.

    xyzzy

    March 26, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    My girlfriend has used Ubuntu for about 16 months now and all I have seen convinces me to run far away from linux. It’s interface is bizarre, it can’t play my favorite PC games, and she has to struggle mightily to update it and she is a fricking tech person.

    IIRC, Ubuntu is a spin-off from Debian, so as such the updates shouldn’t be anymore difficult than "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade". That being said, Linux on the desktop is definitely not feasible for most people. (But it’s great as a free development platform.)

    Personally, I use MacOS on the desktop with a Parallels window on it running XP for the few Windows things I need, and Debian on the all the research/rack machines. They all have their own uses.

  76. 76.

    Hob

    March 26, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    @Jon H:
    Vista is only "designed to run on a large variety of heterogeneous platforms, with differing components" in the sense that if you adjust all those platforms and components to fit Microsoft’s new specs, it will run. It’s very deliberately designed NOT to be fully backward-compatible with old hardware, because old hardware doesn’t support the crazy micromanagement that Vista requires — mostly for the sake of DVD copy-protection and the like.

    As I understand it, new hardware doesn’t really support it either, because MS is trying to guarantee things that cannot really be guaranteed on a multi-purpose computer; but if MS can get all the manufacturers and driver-writers to dance to their tune, then their business strategy is successful regardless of its technical merits. See also this.

  77. 77.

    passerby

    March 26, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    @Comrade Darkness:

    And I’m currently planting the potatoes that sprouted under the sink over the winter for food this summer.

    nice one-upmanship there Comrade. still chuckling.

    To add: And I thought Jibeaux’s slice-of-life would be hard to beat but you did it in fewer words.

  78. 78.

    John S.

    March 26, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    @jibeaux:

    So far, all my stuff is going really well, but it’s easy to grow most things here in South Florida. The only trouble I’ve had of late was a whitefly attack on my sweet basil and an aphid attack on my dill and cilantro. I found this great stuff called Organicide at Home Depot, which is totally safe to use on edibles (it’s pretty much a mix of sesame oil, fish oil, and lecithin as an emulsifier), and it has been working really well.

    It just smells awful – as you would imagine.

  79. 79.

    Catsy

    March 26, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    I got Vista 64 Ultimate for the sole reason of building a combination HTPC/DX10 gaming box. Vista’s resource overhead is so hideous that if I had any other choice, I’d ditch it in a second.

    Unfortunately Nvidia’s XP 8800 GTX drivers are incapable of properly compensating for overscan, and Nvidia doesn’t seem to care–I’ve been an Nvidia loyalist for about five years, and this was pretty much single-handedly responsible for getting me to buy a Radeon 4850 for the next generation of my HTPC box.

    Oh, and fuck UAC.

  80. 80.

    Tonal Crow

    March 26, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    This is good news for John McCain, no?

  81. 81.

    WereBear

    March 26, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    Since I unavoidably run both, I must say the Freeware/Shareware situation on Apple is much more pleasant. I can find wonderful options that really are free, or have well handled tryout periods.

    Whereas on PC’s, it is much harder to find any freeware alternative at all. And when you do find it, having it actually run seems to be extra.

  82. 82.

    Ella in NM

    March 26, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    @jibeaux:

    Hey, you’re not a whiner! You’re human. It’s just fucking hard out there, there are only so many hours in a day and you can be working your ass off, both of you, and still be overwhelmed. You obviously have a sense of gratitude and priority and that’s what’s gonna get you through.

    Except for those days you just need to smash something. I have found that shooting broken appliances with a shotgun in the desert was a wonderful way to get the stress out.

    Just to validate. :-)

  83. 83.

    Comrade Stuck

    March 26, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    OT

    If anyone is interested, the Senate Markup on the Obama budget is live on cspan 1. Judd Gregg has informed us that we are so broke, we couldn’t even get into the EU. Gregg is all wingnut and Conrad is not having it.

  84. 84.

    bvac

    March 26, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    I’m not going to read through this thread to see if its been said already, but the way to turn off UAC notifications is to go to Control Panel -> Security Center, click "Change the way Security Center alerts me" and "Don’t notify me and don’t display icon"

    Hail Vista!

  85. 85.

    Comrade Darkness

    March 26, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    @Punchy, my first two computers: a vic20 and a c64, made it really really hard to accept DOS. I could not get over a) not having the prompt pop up instantly out of ROM, and 2) not having a BASIC interpreter right there.

    Sigh. Those were the days.

    (meaning, I guess, those were the days when the computer was just for hacking amusement, rather than a necessary tool for work/ life overlord)

  86. 86.

    kay

    March 26, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    @Comrade Stuck:

    I’ll watch. Gregg is my new favorite Republican. Biggest political blunder Obama has made, as far as I’m concerned, giving this sanctimonious fraud a cable news platform. Funneling earmarks to the Gregg family coffers while lecturing me on fiscal responsibility. Jerk.

  87. 87.

    dmsilev

    March 26, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    @Jason:

    What class of application are you running on Windows that you can’t run on the Mac?

    I haven’t found any really good 3D CAD programs for the Mac. Fortunately, I found an acceptable workaround: For people with .edu addresses, Autodesk will give you a free license for AutoCAD or Inventor, and Inventor at least runs quite happily in a virtual XP machine under Parallels.

    -dms

  88. 88.

    jibeaux

    March 26, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    @John S.:

    Ooh, I’ll look for that. Sounds promising. Things do pretty well once I can get them outside and if I stay on top of them. It’s still a tad early for tomatoes here, so the aforementioned suicidal ones are indoor starters, and it’s been cloudy and rainy for, oh, a month, so they’re not really thriving.

    @Ella in NM:

    Are you familiar with the Office Space scene involving the fax machine and baseball bats? This is the scene I want to re-enact on my laptop. I don’t really have anything against the dishwasher, it was old and didn’t work that great anyway.

  89. 89.

    cleek

    March 26, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    xkcd likes Win7.

  90. 90.

    Comrade Darkness

    March 26, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    @John S., dear god, lecithin?? f*ck. f*ck. f*ck. I am allergic to soy and you have just probably nailed down my previous two completely untraceable food reactions.

    jebesus holy christ on a hoe. now I have to wonder what some farmer sprayed on my food in the field? and worse yet, stop shopping for organic vegetables that aren’t peeled.

    there is no god.

  91. 91.

    Laura W

    March 26, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    @Comrade Stuck: Thanks. Just when I thought I could not even bear to scan comments on another hardware/software/freeware/shareware/carebear/whocares thread. Something of interest!

    Edit: Also: Ahab @#60. HA!

  92. 92.

    The Other Steve

    March 26, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    My girlfriend has used Ubuntu for about 16 months now and all I have seen convinces me to run far away from linux.

    I used Linux from around 1992-1997 or so, as I started with MCC interim, then SLS, then yggdrasil and later Redhat.

    What is interesting is that Linux adoption has not changed signifigantly since 1997.

    I expect in 20 years there will still be kids telling me how cool Linux is, and I’m just an idiot for not using it. It’s the pain that just won’t die.

    And it still will have insignifigant market share.

  93. 93.

    jibeaux

    March 26, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    @Comrade Darkness:

    Well, at least you’ll have your potatoes. I read in an exhibit on the potato famine once that the average Irish working adult male ate 17 pounds of potatoes a day, pre-famine. That sure seemed like a lot.

    Just filling in for BoB, don’t mind me.

  94. 94.

    AhabTRuler

    March 26, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Are you familiar with the Office Space scene involving the fax machine and baseball bats? This is the scene I want to re-enact on my laptop.

    I once had a ‘vette that I felt the same way about. Never worked right, always needed fixin’, and I wanted to introduce to the bottom of a ravine.

    Ok. It was a Chevette, but still.

  95. 95.

    Zuzu's Petals

    March 26, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    @John Cole:

    You’re right.

    For instance, a lot of people don’t realize that, in addition to cleaning the outside of your monitor screen, you need to clean the inside as well.

    (Safe link, I promise.)

  96. 96.

    John S.

    March 26, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    @Comrade Darkness:

    Yeah, it even has a Soy warning on the label. It only accounts for 3% of the formula, but that’s more than enough to trigger a reaction. Unfortunately, you need a good strong emulsifier to make the fish oil and sesame oil play nicely together, and lecithin is used as such in an awful lot of products.

    Glad I could be of service.

  97. 97.

    AhabTRuler

    March 26, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Edit: Also: Ahab @#60. HA!

    Thank you, Thank you! I am here all week, and, please, try the veal soy water air, ahhh, fuck it, we’re done for.

  98. 98.

    Comrade Darkness

    March 26, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    @The Other Steve, linux is indispensable for some things. That eight-year old dell that no longer will run even win 95. It makes a screaming fast file server for the basement with linux on it. That other old tower some friend dumped on your porch cuz you’re one of those people who will take old computers, that makes a great mythtv box. Commerical hosting is cheaper because of linux, even windows hosting because it has to compete.

    I used SUSE as a second desktop OS from 1993~2000. It was always clunky and everyone said, "it’s getting better," but really it was just getting different and getting more like windows, which is probably fine for some people, but it doesn’t mesh with the way I model the computer’s functionality and makes me psychotic as a result. X11 was fine because I had used it a lot as an undergrad and my expectations were appropriately low. Interfaces are hard to get right, and the open source model for all its successes does not have the right skills or org structure to produce a real, serious, my mom as enduser interface.

    Great server s/w, not so much a desktop tool, so I think you are right that it’s probably plateaued for desktop userbase numbers. Based on the last four apachecons I’ve been to over the last six years I’m not the only one who’s decided interface matters and moved on. The hackathon there looks like a macworld convention.

  99. 99.

    gex

    March 26, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    @Comrade Darkness: For the ubergeeks, Google Raymond Chen. His blog has some real insider tales of the Win 95 development process. Really detailed, and very interesting history lessons too.

  100. 100.

    Frank

    March 26, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Linux. Always works. Doesn’t nag.

    No, I’m not a fan of Ubuntu, but I do have it on my netbook and it does the job.

  101. 101.

    JL

    March 26, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    This is OT but Ms. Sarah gave a speech to the Alaskan GOP party and I thought that this quote was interesting

    "So I’m looking around for somebody to pray with, I just need maybe a little help, maybe a little extra," she said of the moments before the debate. "And the McCain campaign, love ’em, you know, they’re a lot of people around me, but nobody I could find that I wanted to hold hands with and pray."

    Refresh my memory but Sarah went on stage and decided not to answer the questions asked anyway. God speaks in mysterious ways.

  102. 102.

    John Cole

    March 26, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Christ. Four hours trying to fix things and it turns out it was a hardware problem.

    I need a new video card.

  103. 103.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    March 26, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    @jibeaux:

    Well, at least you’ll have your potatoes. I read in an exhibit on the potato famine once that the average Irish working adult male ate 17 pounds of potatoes a day, pre-famine. That sure seemed like a lot. Just filling in for BoB, don’t mind me.

    Sounds like someone has been reading the premiere potato industry magazine, Spudman.

  104. 104.

    Robert Sneddon

    March 26, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    3D Studio Max is Windows-only, and it was DOS-only before that. It’s a killer app for 3-D modelling and visualisation in part because it integrates with AutoCAD, the king of CAD programs which is also Windows-only.

    There are Mac and Linux programs that will do a lot of what AutoCAD and 3D Studio will do but they won’t do them as well or as completely and they’re not industry-standard the way those two are.

    Other programs I use which are Windows-only (and freeware too, with long-term structured support) include the IrfanView graphics viewer and the CCCP video player suite.

  105. 105.

    Comrade Darkness

    March 26, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    @jibeaux: I’ve been eating more potatoes. I can see what’s on a french fry.

    @John S., yeah thanks, truly. I’m still recovering this week from a bad 2 weeks of mystery. I’ve been eating salads only with no dressing when I’m travelling thinking that had to be safe. I even emailed the poor beer company asking if "mud bock" could possibly have soy in it. It doesn’t. (They were very polite and quick with my request, so kudos to them.)

    You know. I think I shall just have to live on beer. Otherwise I think I’m going to cry.

  106. 106.

    stickler

    March 26, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Good grief, when it comes to appliances, now’s the time to buy. Hell, Sears has been offering one year – no payments – 0% interest for a while now. Go crazy, buy a dishwasher! By next year the economy will have recovered or we’ll all be in re-education camps anyway.

  107. 107.

    bvac

    March 26, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    @dmsilev: Try Turbo3d (http://turbo3d.free.fr/francais/Pages/vX/install.htm) or ViaCAD (http://www.punchcad.com/products/viacad2d3dV6.htm)

    Haven’t used either but I’ve heard things…

  108. 108.

    Jonathan Lundell

    March 26, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Charles Murray says that American needs to suffer to be great. Strive, too, IIRC. Transcendently. Without the help of the state, through heroic acts of self-reliance.

    Good to know that Microsoft is on the case.

  109. 109.

    JL

    March 26, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    @Comrade Darkness: Allergies suck. Several years back I had an allergic reaction to shellfish. (just hives and minor swelling) Since it did not interfere with my breathing, I just doubled up on benadryl. When I looked like homer simpson, I decided that the benadryl was no longer working. Believe my that Anjelina’s lips were a tenth the size of mine.

  110. 110.

    Jim

    March 26, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    To those of you who are using Windows 7: Have you had any problems connecting with peripherals? That was a major headache when Vista came out and something I want to avoid.

  111. 111.

    AhabTRuler

    March 26, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Oh, yes, and:

    Christ. Four hours trying to fix things and it turns out it was a hardware problem.

    I need a new video card.

    Bwaahh-ha-ha!

  112. 112.

    jibeaux

    March 26, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Very impt. correction re: potatoes. I kept thinking how could someone eat 17 lbs. Slate says it was 13 lbs. Which is still right much.

  113. 113.

    Comrade Darkness

    March 26, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    @JL: I technically have an protein intolerance, which is both better and worse than an anaphylaxis thing like you have. Better in that it can’t kill me (except slowly due to leaching blood and nutrients out of my body), but worse because the delay makes it really hard to pinpoint the trouble. I have never in my life thought of my body as the enemy until this last year. I’m starting to understand, in a weird twisted way, how fashionable woman could declare war on their physical selves. If you hate your body for some reason, it doesn’t matter what what you do to it. It’s war. I hate my intestines. But they hated on me first.

    Be careful with that shell fish thing. Maybe consider carrying an epipen…

  114. 114.

    les

    March 26, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    @Tonal Crow:

    Too many people willy-nilly download stuff of unknown provenance from the ‘net, through an insecure browser, put it where it can easily be tampered with, don’t bother to check for a valid digital signature, install it in (and for use by) an administrator account, then wonder why their ISP has banned them for mass-mailing spam.

    Geeze, that’s me. You say that like it’s a bad thing.

  115. 115.

    Tonal Crow

    March 26, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    @jibeaux:

    Very impt. correction re: potatoes. I kept thinking how could someone eat 17 lbs. Slate says it was 13 lbs. Which is still right much.

    Not much, I expect, if you ferment them and distill the mash, then drink that.

  116. 116.

    D-Chance.

    March 26, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    More pig fun.

    So you’re in a hospital parking lot. A relative is inside, dying. And you can’t get to her side because some white jerk sees a black guy and wants to use his badge to have a laugh or two and prove his manhood by putting a brother in his proper societal place.

    and if this doesn’t send a chill…

    Officer Robert Powell also drew his gun…

    “I can screw you over,” he said at one point in the videotaped incident.

  117. 117.

    dmsilev

    March 26, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    @bvac:

    Try Turbo3d (http://turbo3d.free.fr/francais/Pages/vX/install.htm) or ViaCAD (http://www.punchcad.com/products/viacad2d3dV6.htm)

    Thanks, I’ll give them a look. Though firing up XP in a VM to run the Autodesk stuff works acceptably well for the simple designs I need, so I probably won’t switch.

    -dms

  118. 118.

    Disable the nag balloon

    March 27, 2009 at 12:17 am

    This makes the obnoxiousness stop.

    http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/163857-security-center-specific-alert-notification.html

  119. 119.

    Matthew

    March 27, 2009 at 10:36 am

    I haven’t read through the entire comment stack, so this may be redundant, but . . .

    From the sounds of it you are getting the warning messages from the Windows Vista Security Center, which is probably showing up as a red shield icon in the lower right? If so, open up the security center, and on of the options on the right of the box that opens should be "change the way security center notifies me", or something close to that. Click on it, and turn off the notifications.

    I have yet to have any ill effects from doing this. Vista, like any other microsoft product, is loaded with a bunch of automated crap designed to drive any half-way knowledgeable user bonkers.

    That said, I’ll still take Vista over that god-awful Linux crap that seems to be designed with an unhealthy helping of programmer snobbishness (sit back, wait for firestorm of protest).

    Matthew

  120. 120.

    PS

    March 27, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    The problem’s not Vista, it’s Microsoft. I recently installed the latest Office for Mac, and I actually do not know if I have registered it or not — probably not because something kept hanging up the screen until I gave up (several times). I thought the update worked fine until I discovered it would not let me open Word documents in older (like 5.x) file formats by double-clicking; I have to do it from the File menu. Huh? That’s MY files, not something downloaded. I have Word documents from the Pleistocene, and I keep them because I actually use the information occasionally. That’s my vent …

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