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You are here: Home / Politics / Torture / Regrets, I Have a Few

Regrets, I Have a Few

by John Cole|  April 29, 20097:35 am| 25 Comments

This post is in: Torture, Republican Crime Syndicate - aka the Bush Admin.

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But Judge Bybee does not:

Judge Bybee said he was issuing a statement following reports that he had regrets over his role in the memorandums, including an article in The Washington Post on Saturday to that effect. Given the widespread criticism of the memorandums, he said he would have done some things differently, like clarifying and sharpening the analysis of some of his answers to help the public better understand the basis for his conclusions.

But he said: “The central question for lawyers was a narrow one; locate, under the statutory definition, the thin line between harsh treatment of a high-ranking Al Qaeda terrorist that is not torture and harsh treatment that is. I believed at the time, and continue to believe today, that the conclusions were legally correct.”

Other administration lawyers agreed with those conclusions, Judge Bybee said.

“The legal question was and is difficult,” he said. “And the stakes for the country were significant no matter what our opinion. In that context, we gave our best, honest advice, based on our good-faith analysis of the law.”

Kind of makes that WaPo piece with all of Bybee’s friends announcing his regrets look funny. Not sure how you square that piece with the statement today from Bybee. You know what they say, though- in for a penny, in for pounding a child’s testicles.

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  1. 1.

    4tehlulz

    April 29, 2009 at 7:44 am

    So he didn’t do anything wrong except for an intellectual exercise to determine how many kid’s nuts can be impaled on the head of a pin.

    Haven’t we all wondered that at one time or another? If Bybee is guilty, then we’re all guilty.

  2. 2.

    kommrade reproductive vigor

    April 29, 2009 at 7:49 am

    The central question for lawyers was a narrow one; locate, under the statutory definition, the thin line between harsh treatment of a high-ranking Al Qaeda terrorist that is not torture and harsh treatment that is.

    Without, you know, any sort of determination as to who was or wasn’t a high-ranking A-Q terrorist. We weren’t asked to think about that. Plus, the stakes were high and 9/11 changed everything.

    Shit like this helps me understand why my dad started reciting dead lawyer jokes when I got into law school.

  3. 3.

    robertdsc

    April 29, 2009 at 7:49 am

    It would be too kind to subject him to the same treatment the AQ guys received. It would almost be worth it to drain the life out of this fucker.

  4. 4.

    p.a.

    April 29, 2009 at 7:57 am

    Was it just something as banal as keeping their jobs with these people? We can all understand someone stealing bread to feed the family, but Bybee and co. had reached a social level where they would have had a soft landing if they had just resigned in protest- if they really thought torture was wrong. Didn’t even have to make a public statement and so become a target of the Cheney Gang; just issue the ‘Spend More Time With Family’ press release.

    On the other hand (here comes the national self-analysis), if they believe(d) in torture, what does it say about us as a nation that these monsters gained the position they did in American society?

    Oh yeah. Almost forgot; no one resigns in protest or disgrace here anymore, right?

  5. 5.

    MattF

    April 29, 2009 at 8:09 am

    Oh, well. So much for “more-or-less honorable”, and back to “Impeach the cocksucker”.

  6. 6.

    kay

    April 29, 2009 at 8:15 am

    Professor Blakesley said that while he liked Judge Bybee, “he has some basic flaws including being very naïve about leaders.”

    “He has too much respect for authority and will avoid a confrontation no matter what,” the professor continued.

    Dear Lord. I’m so glad he has a life-time tenure with these stellar personal qualities.

    He’s a coward and a go along to get along. They picked the right guy.

  7. 7.

    Redhand

    April 29, 2009 at 9:29 am

    “The central question for lawyers was a narrow one; locate, under the statutory definition, the thin line between harsh treatment of a high-ranking Al Qaeda terrorist that is not torture and harsh treatment that is. I believed at the time, and continue to believe today, that the conclusions were legally correct.”

    The fact that Bybee pegs his analysis on “the central question” of what acts are possible against “a high-ranking Al Qaeda terrorist” just underscores how full of shit he is, and how completely bogus his opinion was.

    The definition of torture under the Convention Against Torture, which is part of US law, speaks in terms of conduct against “a person.” Article 2 of the Convention flatly states:

    “No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.”

    The whole premise of Bybee’s memo was completely flawed from the get-go. Of course, this also gives the lie to Dick Cheney’s “Yeah, but lookit’ how effective is was” nonsense. What these guys authorized was torture, and a serious crime under US law.

  8. 8.

    matoko_chan

    April 29, 2009 at 9:48 am

    It is interesting that on this issue, exactly like on Palin, the rightside braintrust seems to be entirely divided from the base, with the exception of the usual suspects like the mad shamans at NRO.
    Waiting for First Things.

    Also….the base does know that torture is wrong. Try postulating a jackbauer scenario that involves machiavellian pragmatism applied to rape as a method instead of torture and they wig out…..”sickening, disgusting, we would NEVER do that.”
    What is the Aristotelian/Thomist distinction between rape and torture?

  9. 9.

    Svensker

    April 29, 2009 at 10:12 am

    @4tehlulz:

    LOL

  10. 10.

    Svensker

    April 29, 2009 at 10:13 am

    @p.a.:

    Oh yeah. Almost forgot; no one resigns in protest or disgrace here anymore, right?

    Actually, quite a few Foreign Service Officers resigned in protest at the start of the Iraq war.

  11. 11.

    Comrade Dread

    April 29, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Shorter Bybee:

    I regret not thinking that that stupid liberal commie secret Muslim was gonna let the stupid public see what I wrote, or I would have used more euphemisms to make my legal advice seem less heinous.

  12. 12.

    BRD

    April 29, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Here, fixed it:

    “In that context, we gave our best, honest advice, based on our good-faith analysis of the law hope that the documents would remain classified in perpetuity and knowledge that one absolutely doesn’t cross Dick Cheney or Karl Rove”

    Note the “we”, too – it was peer group pressure made him do it!

  13. 13.

    Thingumbob

    April 29, 2009 at 10:25 am

    What’s in a word? “Harsh interrogation techniques”– formerly known as torture. Hmm. I guess noticing Orwellian doublespeak has become passe these days.

  14. 14.

    Margarita

    April 29, 2009 at 10:35 am

    I believed at the time, and continue to believe today, that the conclusions were legally correct.

    That’s why we need a court to resolve this.

    He and Cheney and everyone else still defending the correctness of torture eliminates the option of just moving “forward.” It’s not about retribution, vindictiveness, and scapegoating. It’s not about excusing excesses done in the heat of crisis. It’s about their repeated promises that they’ll do the same thing all over again.

    Why isn’t this obvious to anyone whose opinion counts?

  15. 15.

    slag

    April 29, 2009 at 10:35 am

    What disturbs me the most is the basic question: How much of our judiciary is composed of guys like this? Doesn’t being a judge mean that you’re supposed to have good judgment?

  16. 16.

    Martin

    April 29, 2009 at 11:23 am

    It seems to me that rape would meet the definition of ‘enhanced interrogation/not torture’. Has anyone asked one of the torture boosters if it would have been okay to rape a high-ranking female Al Qaeda member 183 times?

    I’d like to hear the defense of that played out on CNN.

  17. 17.

    Mnemosyne

    April 29, 2009 at 11:33 am

    @matoko_chan:

    Try postulating a jackbauer scenario that involves machiavellian pragmatism applied to rape as a method instead of torture and they wig out…..”sickening, disgusting, we would NEVER do that.”

    We already know that several prisoners were threatened with rape. Eventually, it will come out that at least one “interrogator” followed through on the threat, though it probably will involve a prisoner in Iraq and not one at Gitmo.

    Be prepared for your friends to do a 180 and start claiming that rape doesn’t count as torture once the news breaks.

  18. 18.

    Stefan

    April 29, 2009 at 11:36 am

    It seems to me that rape would meet the definition of ‘enhanced interrogation/not torture’. Has anyone asked one of the torture boosters if it would have been okay to rape a high-ranking female Al Qaeda member 183 times?

    But it’s not rape, it’s merely “enhanced seduction procedures” or “harsh lovemaking techniques”…..

  19. 19.

    b-psycho

    April 29, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Has anyone asked one of the torture boosters if it would have been okay to rape a high-ranking female Al Qaeda member 183 times?

    Two things on that:

    1) the likelihood of a high-ranking female member is nil.

    2) Considering the extent of the enthusiasm, I doubt they’d care if it wasn’t a woman. Yes, I sincerely believe these cretins would order the buttfucking of a dude in the name of “security” — without realizing the irony of people that roll w/ homophobes co-signing anal.

  20. 20.

    SGEW

    April 29, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    It seems to me that rape would meet the definition of ‘enhanced interrogation/not torture’

    “New Details of Prison Abuse Emerge: Abu Ghraib Detainees’ Statements Describe Sexual Humiliation And Savage Beatings,” May 21st, 2004:

    The statements [obtained by The Washington Post] provide the most detailed picture yet of what took place on the cellblock . . . . Many [detainees] provided graphic details of how they were sexually humiliated and assaulted, threatened with rape, and forced to masturbate in front of female soldiers.
    . . .
    “They said we will make you wish to die and it will not happen,” said Ameen Saeed Al-Sheik, detainee No. 151362. “They stripped me naked. One of them told me he would rape me. He drew a picture of a woman to my back and makes me stand in shameful position holding my buttocks.”

    Keep on walking, Peggy.

  21. 21.

    Xanthippas

    April 29, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    You know what they say, though- in for a penny, in for pounding a child’s testicles.

    Awesome.

  22. 22.

    SGEW

    April 29, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Hey, this is kind of big: Jim Manzi at NRO’s The Corner comes out against waterboarding:

    To demand that the government “keep us safe” by doing things out of our sight that we have refused to do in much more serious situations so that we can avoid such a risk is weak and pathetic. It is the demand of spoiled children, or the cosseted residents of the imperial city. In the actual situation we face, to demand that our government waterboard detainees in dark cells is cowardice.

    I credit Larison’s takedown of his original post.

    [also posted on th’ open thread]

  23. 23.

    Thom

    April 29, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    It looks funny, but not in the way you say. Bybee sent his “friends” – six in a single article, two on the record – to express his “regrets” for the memo. He lets that sink in, then “responds” to the story that he initiated by defending, with great piety, the tortuous work he and other poor souls had to do in those POST 9/11!!!! days. It’s pure Rovian newsmaking. Now both stories are true; he regrets it; he defends it.

    I hope a rat chews his anus out in prison.

  24. 24.

    KRK

    April 29, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    …but then again, too few to mention.

  25. 25.

    TenguPhule

    April 29, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Other administration lawyers agreed with those conclusions, Judge Bybee said.

    This only means you are all complete monsters that need to be staked through the heart, beheaded, burned and have your ashes scattered to the four winds.

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