Actually, not really. Just a question on how to make them go away.
I have two predictions:
1) Someone like Ross Douthat will say that birferism is somehow liberals’ fault, the same way it was liberals’ fault for killing the George Tiller by supporting reproductive rights.
2) Birther opposition will be used as a sign of credibility by wingnuts when the next whacky rumor crops up, e.g. “I’m not a conspiracy theorist, I speak as someone who strongly opposed the birthers when I say that the footage of Obama fathering an alien baby looks very real to me.”
Napoleon
DougJ says: “I have two predictions”
So do I – tomorrow: (1) the sun will come up, and (2) someone will die somewhere. Come on Doug your predictions are as safe as mine.
Zandar
I gotta argue that “Gatesgate” is already the next conspiracy theory uniting the forces of stupid.
Tom65
You know this has gone too far when even Coulter makes fun of the birthers, and the birthers flood her comments at Fox:
http://www.thefoxnation.com/media/2009/07/27/ann-coulter-birthers-are-wrong
The GOP owns this now, whether they want it or not.
** Atanarjuat **
If the GatesGaters and the Birthers join forces, they’ll be unstoppable.
I love watching this video, by the way:
Elected Birthers on the Hill
Awesome.
-A
matoko_chan
The cool thing will be watching all the healthcare townhalls next month where GOP congressppl get schiavo’d by the birfers.
schiavo, defn. v
to schiavo a congressperson….to publically force said congressperson to endorse insane conspiracy theories embraced by their low information base. As in, insane constituents forcing congressppl to vote for Terri’s Law, even though the congressppl knew the lady-was-a-carrot.
Napoleon
@Zandar:
Back to the future. They were basically flogging the racist thing during the campaign, as they were the “he is arrogant” meme which Kristol managed to repeat on one of the Sunday shows this past weekend. I have not seen one new attack line tried by the right since the election. They have simply recycled the exact same stuff that, for the most part, was being used by the PUMAs during the primary season.
ellaesther
Here’s what I want to see happen (and I’m repeating myself from elsewhere on the interwebz, but let’s face it, I could say this until the cows come home and I’ll still want to say it, probably EVEN MORE LOUDLY)
WHERE ARE THE GOD DAMN REPUBLICANS ON THIS???
There are many, many members of the GOP, elected officials and otherwise, who are responsible citizens who love this country and would never wish ill on the elected President of these United States. They may wish a lost election on him, they may wish him failed policies, but actual ill-ill? No.
Why are these men and women not standing up and saying: Enough is fucking enough! Oh.My.GOD. I want to see a press conference, attended by dozens of leading Republicans, all standing there saying “We may disagree with the President on issues X, Y, and Z, and we certainly intend to do everything we can to oppose him on those issues, and fight to defeat him in the next Presidential election. But he is a natural -born citizen, he was elected, and he is our rightful Commander in Chief. Anyone who says anything else is doing a grave disservice to this great nation.” AHHHHHH!
God damn! Do these clowns not realize how little stands between the birthers and an assassination attempt?
Ahem. This has me very exercised.
gex
@ellaesther:
CountryParty first!Zandar
And then there’s this.
WIN.
steve s
At the end of the clip someone asks “Why do you think it keeps coming up?” and I’m not White House Press Secretary because I would have said “Some of you guys in the media choose to discuss bullshit like lapel pins and birth certificates. When you stop choosing to discuss bullshit then we won’t discuss bullshit.”
JGabriel
@Tom65: That link should have carried an Ann Coulter Warning. I clicked on it, and my eardrums nearly shattered.
Is there some sort of genetic defect that links conservativism and ear-piercing vocal frequencies?
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Incertus
@matoko_chan:
The cool thing will be watching all the healthcare townhalls next month where GOP congressppl get schiavo’d by the birfers.
I have to admit, I’m awaiting that with a small amount of glee.
LD50
And what is your actual evidence for this?
Napoleon
@Zandar:
That’s great. What is not mentioned at the link you gave is that Abercrombie was a friend of Barack Obama Sr (our current President’s father) in college in Hawaii, so it has to doubly piss him off since he personally knows that he was in the country at the time Barack Jr was born.
Just Some Fuckhead
Jesus John, can ya give a brother a hand? Doug obviously can’t handle the post load by himself..
Eric U.
If i were the White House, I don’t think I would necessarily want this to go away.
cleek
“Gatesgate”
i hereby declare my intention to refuse to pay any attention to anything labeled with the “-gate” suffix.
NonyNony
@ellaesther:
I’m fairly certain that most of those folks moved from the GOP camp to the Independent camp sometime over the last 8 years.
The pols who want to hold onto their seats in Congress have the Arlen Specter Example to look at now. Specter was pushed out of the party by the crazies because he wouldn’t act crazy enough. Everyone knows that it was the close race by Pat Toomey in his last election cycle combined with the fact that the PA GOP has only gotten crazier in the last few years that spooked Specter into leaving. Now Specter is a wily bastard and he usually manages to land on his feet, but most of the rest of the GOPer pols know that they’re not as smart as Specter and so they’re worried that they too will be caught by the purity police and drummed out of the party like their good buddy Arlen.
A number of them may admit that this stuff is crazy if they’re forced to. But most of them are just hoping that they never have to go on the record at all. That it’ll blow over and the crazies will move onto some other shiny object that is slightly less embarrassing for the politicians to pontificate on. (I wonder how many of them are praying that Obama turns out to not be as happily married as he appears to the public – a good sex scandal would do a lot to take the heat off the GOPers right now).
ellaesther
@LD50: A) The fact that I refuse to paint millions of people with the same brush, no matter how much I disagree with them politically.
B) Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Dick Lugar, Chuck Hagel, Lincoln Chafee, Colin Powell…. I could go on and on, actually, because my only requirement is that they “love this country” and “wish no ill (ie: violence) on the President” + I said “elected and otherwise” — but these are a few for whom I have real respect, so I led with them.
Zifnab
In all fairness, a bunch of yahoos screeching about
the White Tapethe Vince Foster murderthe UN helicopters coming to take your gunsthe Obama birth certificate are a far cry from the goons that organized the assassination of George Tiller.That Douthat ignored a blatant conspiracy to commit murder and blamed the extremist actions of a few radicals on a nebulous ideological concept that has been around for centuries speaks far worse of him as a pundit than if he were to blame birtherism on liberals.
I mean, “liberals killed George Tiller” ranks right up there with “Jews killed Jesus” as truly bigoted and asinine comments go.
ellaesther
@NonyNony: I think the biggest problem is that those who haven’t left are just lying low, hoping it will pass and cost them nothing. That sort of craven cowardice, in the face of sheer lies and idiocy, makes me furious. If 30 of them, or 100 of them, or 300 of them, sign a petition, they wouldn’t be alone, and they could lean on each other to survive whatever insane backlash would come. But they’re too – God, I don’t know. Chicken shit? Clueless? All of the above? To say the most obvious thing: It is lunacy to question the President’s citizenship.
Brick Oven Bill
Speaking on behalf of myself, Gibbs:
“Nothing,” Gibbs said, “will assuage” the activists who choose to believe insane conspiracy theories.
is wrong. Personally, I will be assuaged if the President provides My Precious, whatever its official name is, that document that I had to present in order and get my passport, to the plaintiff’s attorneys, and offers a courtesy copy of the document to any Senator or CINC who would like to see it. If it is real it is real.
This will assuage me. I am assuagable. This whole Administration whines too much.
Barack letJoe Miller touch My Precious with his fingers. Why should not the military leadership be able to touch it with their fingers? Military leadership needs to know that their orders are lawful.
Joe Miller probably is not an active duty military member. Probably never was. Joe Miller works for the organization that funds Bill Ayres.
Legalize
“If i were the White House, I don’t think I would necessarily want this to go away.”
Absolutely. At some point Obama is going to be able to paint opposition to his policies as being on the same page as this birther nonsense.
Napoleon
@Legalize:
He will not need to paint his opposition as being on the same page as them since people will naturally make the connection. If I were the WH I would not want it to go away.
JGabriel
Brick Oven Bill:
Can you show us, on this anatomically correct doll, where Joe Miller touched your “Precious”?
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Eric
Doug, you’re too late on point 1. Ann Coulter already blamed the liberals.
Comrade Darkness
@ellaesther: I like this angle. If I still had a republican rep I’d send him a nice letter that read: You either disown the crazies on your side or you own them, and everything they do from here on out.
nabalzbbfr
Pastor Wiley Drake, who has filed suit questioning the legal qualifications of BOH to serve as POTUS, is also leading a national movement of concentrated prayer asking for Divine Intercession to put things right in Washington. Here is a sample prayer along these lines:
Almighty God, today we pray imprecatory prayers from Psalm 109 against Barrack Hussein Obama, who has arrogantly usurped Your Dominion over our Christian Land in contravention to Your Holy Scriptures and our Constitution. We pray that You put a speedy end to his evil machinations to bring utter ruin to our beloved country and to deliver the Land of Israel into the hands of its mortal enemies.
Set Thou a wicked man over him and let Satan stand at his right hand. When he shall be judged, let him be condemned and let his prayer become sin. Let his days be few and let another take his office. Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow. Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg, and let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.
And remember their sins. In Jesus’ name. Amen.
More information can be found at Pastor Drake’s web site: http://www.wileydrakeinbuenapark.com/
Trinity
@Zandar: Ha! I love this.
Brick Oven Bill
Joe took pictures of the contact and placed them on the Internet at the link provided above JGabriel. Have no fear, the Internet photo shows a 48-year old certificate being touched, or at least you can make a strong plausible deniability argument.
Just heard Gibbs response, due to slow computer, paraphrasing: “The certificate is on the Internet, therefore it is valid.”
Good God. This was his answer. Then why did Joe Miller want to touch it?
Then Gibbs resorts to patriotism and the greatness of America.
slippytoad
Uh, provide some evidence of individuals who are both a) military leadership and b) questioning the President’s authority in public. I think there’s some sort of insubordination clause somewhere there. Also, Bill, the College of Electors certified the President’s election as lawful so whatever expostfacto horseshit Birfer morons like yourself choose to shovel up is not going to fly.
But, seriously, I’m sure Birfer military leadership are going to be very popular in the same organization that un-deployed Maj. Birfer Whacknut and undoubtedly encouraged his DOD contractor to cut his ass loose.
jibeaux
Who’s Lester?
Incertus
@nabalzbbfr: Pastor Wiley Drake, who has filed suit questioning the legal qualifications of BOH to serve as POTUS, is also leading a national movement of concentrated prayer asking for Divine Intercession to put things right in Washington. Here is a sample prayer along these lines:
Given God’s track record on imprecatory prayer thus far, I”d guess Obama has nothing to worry about. And any god who would answer such a prayer is a douche who doesn’t deserve worship.
Josh E.
Someone like Ross Douthat will say that birferism is somehow liberals’ fault, the same way it was liberals’ fault for killing the George Tiller by supporting reproductive rights.
James Inhofe and Liz Cheney already have said that.
Punchy
When does The Birfer Museum open up in Kentucky?
geg6
Josh E.: Not to mention that I really think Douthat is more likely to blame that slutty, chubby Reese Whitherspoon lookalike who is so dirty because she likes S-E-X.
handy
BOB is already touched.
John S.
The certificate is valid because the state of Hawaii issued it, because you know, that’s where Obama was born.
Tonal Crow
I knew it. Not only did Frodo fail, but Gandalf conspired with Sauron to fake the Dark Tower’s fall, and — alas — Gollum is still with us.
Tonal Crow
@JGabriel:
I didn’t know that anatomically-correct troll dolls existed. Live and learn….
Michael
If somebody friends you on Facebook, then you buy their agenda, completely.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25471.html
Except it didn’t mean what she thought.
http://washingtonindependent.com/52768/no-eric-cantor-doesnt-support-orly-taitz
The racist, violence fomenting witch is so drenched in stupid that it has soaked to the bone.
In other amusing news:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17716064/Order-Dismissing-Cook-v-Simtech-
Stooleo
I for one, am going to start going to winger web sites and encourage these crazy bastards. I want to see more scenes like the Castle town hall meeting.
Nash
Oh, dear Jesus, yes please let this keep going.
It is, without a doubt, hilarious. Any sensible person already knows the President was born in this country. Any irrational person doesn’t.
Not only is this a wonderful litmus test for sheer crazy, but it’s a brilliant way to super-glue the loonies to a specific political party.
You bet your ass the White House doesn’t want this to go away.
Mike P
Gibbs was full of win today:
Q: Okay. And another subject, Officer Crowley is drinking Blue Moon, we hear Professor Gates is drinking Red Stripe or Becks — what’s the President drinking?
MR. GIBBS: The President had a Budweiser at the All-Star Game, so — why are you looking at me like that? That’s what he drank.
Q: We’re talking Blue Moon, Red Stripe, Becks —
MR. GIBBS: What’s wrong with Budweiser? Why do you hate Budweiser? (Laughter.)
Q: Well, he could get —
MR. GIBBS: Why do you hate Budweiser, Wendell? (Laughter.) Wendell, how about this — how about you and I, we’ll go pick out the beer, we’ll do the beer run. Uh-oh, hold, please. (Laughter.)
Q: I’m happy to do that.
MR. GIBBS: The mortgage services meeting is tomorrow. Apparently this has nothing to do — (laughter) — unclear whether beer will be served at that meeting and what it will be. (Laughter.) So we’ll go on the beer run together and pick it up in anticipation of the meeting.
Q: Pretzel or chips?
MR. GIBBS: Say again?
Q: Pretzel or chips?
MR. GIBBS: We’re just going to go straight beer. No sense in diluting it.
Michael
Lester Kinsolving, WingNutDaily’s “White House Correspondent”. Gibbs let him know he’s not going to give him any more opportunities, and I’d have to seriously consider locking him out altogether.
Brick Oven Bill
Q: Hey Gibbs, is there anything you can do to silence the ‘birfers’?
A: No.
“I’m sure Birfer military leadership are going to be very popular in the same organization that un-deployed Maj. Birfer Whacknut and undoubtedly encouraged his DOD contractor to cut his ass loose.”
“Gibbs let him know he’s not going to give him any more opportunities.”
“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.”
All in time.
Mnemosyne
@Incertus:
My favorite is still the idiots who prayed for torrential rains during the Democratic Convention and got themselves a hurricane during the Republican Convention.
You’d think they would have realized after that that God thinks they’re assholes, but I guess hope springs eternal.
Svensker
@Stooleo:
I for one, am going to start going to winger web sites and encourage these crazy bastards. I want to see more scenes like the Castle town hall meeting.
Nash and Stooleo — I think you’re wrong. While it’s entertaining in its way, these people are also really really nuts, not just pretend nuts. I mean, look at Nozzleboffer’s post above. And if enough people start believing that O is an alien, supplanter, pretender to the throne, anti-Christ, who is illegitimately “changing” America, etc., one of them is going to want to kill him to “save us”. I don’t like it at all. Damn these weasely Repubs for not standing up and saying “this is stupid crap.”
Blue Raven
The birther conspiracy theory is a tale told by a bigot, full of sound and fury, signifying hatred.
PurpleGirl
Joe Miller works for the organization that funds Bill Ayres.
Do you mean that Joe Miller works for the Annenberg Foundation or the Annenberg Challenge? Or is Joe Miller somehow connected to the Annenberg Institute for School Reform (Brown University) or to the University of Illinois (at Chicago) where William Ayers is an associate professor of education?
I posted some of this once before, but this is a fuller explanation… The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was a school reform project, one of 18 that was sponsored by the Annenberg Foundation. According to the project RFP, an Annenberg grant would have to be matched 2:1, that is $2 raised from other sources to a match a dollar of the Annenberg Grant. The Chicago group formed to operate the school reform project had to also start a funding organization to get the money to match the Annenberg grant. The Chicago schools project ran from 1995 to 2001. It has written the three reports required by the grant and was terminated in 2002. Prof. Ayers and President Obama served together on the Board until President Obama RESIGNED in 2000 to run for Congress.
Mike in NC
Sounds like B.O.B. is spending his copious free time on a screenplay for a comedy remake of “Seven Days in May”. (He’ll pitch it to the geniuses who did “American Carol” last year and about twenty people will jam theaters to see it.) Sarah Palin will have a cameo, and Joe the Plumber will star as the Chairman of the JCS, who flies to Honolulu to personally validate the suspicious document, only to be shot down by black helicopters outside Washington after he’s determined that Obama was actually born on Venus.
LD50
@ellaesther:
No, I don’t think you could.
Ron
@Brick Oven Bill: I’m pretty sure the form you had to present is essentially the same as the one he posted online.
malta
site is weird – checking to see if leaving comment fixes it
malta
yay – it did!