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You are here: Home / Someone Explain To Me Again Why The Liberals are the “NUTROOTS?”

Someone Explain To Me Again Why The Liberals are the “NUTROOTS?”

by John Cole|  July 30, 20097:30 pm| 117 Comments

This post is in: Clown Shoes, The Wingularity, Wingnut Event Horizon

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Andy McCarthy at the NRO has a 3,700 word piece on… Obama’s birth certificate.

In fairness, Michael Moore IS fat.

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  1. 1.

    General Winfield Stuck

    July 30, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    There’s speculation out there from the former CIA officer Larry Johnson — who is no right-winger and is convinced the president was born in Hawaii — that the full state records would probably show Obama was adopted by the Indonesian Muslim Lolo Soetoro and became formally known as “Barry Soetoro.”

    Whitey! WHITEEEEEEEY!

  2. 2.

    geg6

    July 30, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    Since I absolutely refuse to give NRO a page hit, I will just say consider the souce, John. Whatever it is he may say about us, NRO and McCarthy are far more divorced from reality than we will ever be.

  3. 3.

    Zifnab25

    July 30, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    STFU, that’s why.

  4. 4.

    PeakVT

    July 30, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    Because it makes the name-calling fair ‘n’ balanced.

  5. 5.

    Zifnab25

    July 30, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    STFU, that’s why.

  6. 6.

    Warren Terra

    July 30, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    Since I absolutely refuse to give NRO a page hit

    The link is to a Dave Weigel blogpost at The Washington Independent

  7. 7.

    Comrade Mary

    July 30, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    @geg6: Don’t worry, the link goes to an excellent summary at the Washington Independent. No NRO pixels will contaminate your system.

    Agent Flowbee lives!

  8. 8.

    Funkhauser

    July 30, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    Answer: Projection.

  9. 9.

    Demo Woman

    July 30, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    I am not longer sure what an OT means so I’ll just go ahead and post, how many people did Crowley bring to the meeting?

  10. 10.

    Lyle4

    July 30, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    We all know that this whole hoopla is just to force them to hand over the whitey tape.

    Who “them” is…well, I think you all know…

  11. 11.

    PaulW

    July 30, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    I’ve already gone ahead and sent a request to my birth county/state for a copy of my birth certificate. You know, in case they start questioning MY citizenship status…

  12. 12.

    ominira

    July 30, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Birthers. Sigh.

    In other news, a Portuguese murderer who spent 16 years on the run (hiding in caves) has been apprehended.

    Iran’s police disperses mourners gathered at Neda’s grave.

    Pfizer settles a botched clinical trial of a meningitis drug (now withdrawn from the market for sometimes causing fatal liver damage).

  13. 13.

    Midnight Marauder

    July 30, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    So what do we call this burgeoning phenomenon of media outlets thoroughly denouncing the Birther movement, only for the debunking to be followed by a prominent personality/writer for said outlet continuing on as though the issue wasn’t just settled?

    I vote for “Lou Dobbs Syndrome.”

  14. 14.

    QrazyQat

    July 30, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    NOBODY is THAT fat.

  15. 15.

    beltane

    July 30, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    They’re just living up to their reputation as “World’s shittiest website”. It’s all about maintaining their high standards for electronic fecal matter.

    I propose that from here on out, all candidates for national office must submit to a DNA test, and must provide videotaped proof of the alleged act of copulation that led to their conception. A president must be “natural born” which precludes any weird goings on in the bedroom. We would never see another Republican president if this rule were implemented.

  16. 16.

    Comrade Jake

    July 30, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    I’m pretty sure McCarthy also bought into the whole “Ayers wrote Obama’s books” conspiracy, no?

    The stupid is strong with that one.

  17. 17.

    kay

    July 30, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    @Demo Woman:

    He said he brought his family for a White House tour. Gates also brought his. The two families ran into each other on the tour, and joined up for the rest. It’s hard to believe that was an accident, however.
    I’m a complete sucker for kumbaya. I am bound to be disappointed, I know that, but what’s the alternative?

  18. 18.

    MikeJ

    July 30, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    A president must be “natural born” which precludes any weird goings on in the bedroom.

    MACBETH
    Thou losest labour:
    As easy mayst thou the intrenchant air
    With thy keen sword impress as make me bleed:
    Let fall thy blade on vulnerable crests;
    I bear a charmed life, which must not yield,
    To one of woman born.

    MACDUFF
    Despair thy charm;
    And let the angel whom thou still hast served
    Tell thee, Macduff was from his mother’s womb
    Untimely ripp’d.

  19. 19.

    Dulcie

    July 30, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    @Demo Woman: Two. His attorney and his union rep.

  20. 20.

    mgordon

    July 30, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    It’s like meeting a guy on the street who starts screaming that you are crazy while the feces sandwich they are dining on is smeared all over their face.

  21. 21.

    Warren Terra

    July 30, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    I am not longer sure what an OT means so I’ll just go ahead and post, how many people did Crowley bring to the meeting?

    @Demo Woman: Two. His attorney and his union rep.

    What, he didn’t bring a literary agent?

  22. 22.

    tischer

    July 30, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Wait- what if Barack is really a few years older………born when Hawaii wasn’t yet a state…..

    Unexplored country for the birthers!

  23. 23.

    ronin122

    July 30, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Moore? What about Al Gore? He’s fat too! And has money while saying bad things about global climate change. Stuff his face with a pie and burn a field of gasoline to show him! I don’t know, making fun of wingnuts is getting less fun.

  24. 24.

    smiley

    July 30, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    @MikeJ: Some character in Romeo and Juliet: What’s in a name? That by which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

    Gertrude Stein: A rose is a rose is a rose.

    Sometimes paraphrasing works.

  25. 25.

    narvalking

    July 30, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    So Peak Wingnut has been abandoned as a theory?

  26. 26.

    Dulcie

    July 30, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    @Warren Terra: Bwahaha! I expected his attorney, but I’d forgotten that he’s a union guy.

    The only good thing about this “controversy” is that it’s allowed the racist wing of the Republican Party to let their freak flag fly for everyone to see. It’s been interesting watching the media come to the realization that a segment of the population is still indeed racist. Post racial, my ass. WTF does that even mean?

    Did you know that health care legislation is designed to allow black folks to finally get their reparations checks? It’s true. I read it on the internets! When I get mine, I’m buying a chicken farm and dressing in FUBU every day!

  27. 27.

    Warren Terra

    July 30, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    When I get mine, I’m buying a chicken farm and dressing in FUBU every day!

    I’m a city boy, so I’m not well informed, but that sounds tough on the FUBU.

  28. 28.

    southpaw

    July 30, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    Does it concern anyone else that McCarthy was a federal prosecutor and these are his standards of evidence?

    Who all did he convict?

  29. 29.

    Ash

    July 30, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    A president must be “natural born” which precludes any weird goings on in the bedroom.

    If we really wanna get into it, we could say that any person delivered by c-section is automatically ineligible as well.

  30. 30.

    GeneJockey

    July 30, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    @smiley:

    A nose, by any other name, would smell.

  31. 31.

    Hoya

    July 30, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    This is apparently the birther dream timeline.

    1. Hawaii Birth Certificate found to be forgery. Obama’s real mother found to be Georgina Soros before sex change, therefore Obama born in Kenya to non-American citizens.

    2. Supreme Court orders James Crowley to arrest Obama and remove from office.

    3. Joe Biden becomes President, immediately impeached after John Roberts declares gaffes to be “high crimes and misdemeanors”.

    4. Nancy Pelosi impeached for having double X chromosomes.

    5. Robert Byrd impeached for being an old clansman and not guesting daily on Morning Joe.

    6. Hillary impeached for finally admitting to killing Vince Foster with Bosnian sniper fire.

    7. Geithner impeached for using TurboTax.

    8. Gates becomes President, appoints Palin VP, resigns.

    9. “War on Coherence” declared immediately.

  32. 32.

    Warren Terra

    July 30, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    A president must be “natural born” which precludes any weird goings on in the bedroom.

    If we really wanna get into it, we could say that any person delivered by c-section is automatically ineligible as well.

    “So, do you want an epidural … or do you want your kid to maybe grow up to be President?”

  33. 33.

    Brett

    July 30, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    Site-fixing comment.

  34. 34.

    Woodrow "asim" Jarvis Hill

    July 30, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    @Dulcie: It’s been kind of scary, these last few months, how easy it’s become to separate the wheat from the chaff.
    Now, if only the media would get the hint…

  35. 35.

    wilfred

    July 30, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    McCarthy is a fucking bigot, full stop; the residue of the Catholic mafia that learned how to tolerate Jews only because the ones they use at the NRO are even worse bigots.

    NRO/Red Channels. Mutatis mutandis,as the self-congrulating little shit learned at the knees of pederast priests.

  36. 36.

    smiley

    July 30, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    @GeneJockey: A nose doesn’t smell unless, um, it’s put someplace smelly (and I think you know what I mean). BTW, the character was Juliet herownself (I went back and looked it up) . Bonus points: I got the quote wrong by one word. What was the word? (no fair googleing (8:)

  37. 37.

    Trinity

    July 30, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    Whitey tape bitches. Just wait…

  38. 38.

    kay

    July 30, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    It’s only amazing how predictable they are. The birth certificate conspiracy is now ridiculed and debunked, so as virtually everyone predicted, they have a new theory.
    Obama was later adopted.
    He’s not Kenyan after all. He’s a Muslim from Indonesia.

  39. 39.

    Dulcie

    July 30, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    @Warren Terra: FUBU= For Us, By Us. It’s a clothing line primarily worn by Michael Steele’s “urban suburban hip hop” folks (I love Michael Steele – he’s the gift that keeps on giving, much like Palin). Anyway, here’s the wiki link – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUBU

    I’ll be a chicken farmer with an urban flair!

  40. 40.

    Ducktape

    July 30, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    Testing for a possible solution for the CSS issue — hi Tunch!

  41. 41.

    Dulcie

    July 30, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    @Woodrow “asim” Jarvis Hill: They’re not even trying anymore. Glen Beck is my personal fave. Obama hates white people my ass. Doesn’t Beck know that Obama’s mother and grandparents were white? It would make him hate himself. Projection, thy name is Glen Beck.

    It also confirms my belief that when a certain segment of society sees people of color, they only see race. Too bad for them.

  42. 42.

    General Winfield Stuck

    July 30, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    @Dulcie:

    I’ll be a chicken farmer with an urban flair!

    Wasn’t the original deal 40 acres and a mule. I would try and grow cookies. No one ever has and there seems to be a shortage.

  43. 43.

    Michael J

    July 30, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Sick. Sick. Sick.

  44. 44.

    LD50

    July 30, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    I’m glad Andrew has raised this subject. But I feel he’s neglecting the most important question of all: who is fatter? Michael Moore or Al Gore?

  45. 45.

    kay

    July 30, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    @wilfred:

    It’s not going to work, Wilfred. They just completely dropped the lie they’ve been pushing for 2 years, and replaced it with another one, in 24 hours.

  46. 46.

    Hoya

    July 30, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    Cash for clunkers just suspended before I could get a new car. WTF?

  47. 47.

    Warren Terra

    July 30, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    @ Dulcie:
    I knew what FUBU was, at least vaguely. I just enjoyed saying that chicken farming sounded hard on the FUBU.

  48. 48.

    Mario Piperni

    July 30, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Not sure anymore what to do with birthers. Mock them and give them what they want – notoriety…or ignore them and hope they just go away.

    …

    Ok. I thought about it. I’m going with the mocking.

  49. 49.

    LD50

    July 30, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    the full state records would probably show Obama was adopted by the Indonesian Muslim Lolo Soetoro and became formally known as “Barry Soetoro.”

    And why would that supposedly be worse than Obama’s full name being ‘Barack Hussein Obama’?

    I see wingnuts calling Obama ‘Barry Soetoro’ all the time. I don’t share their conviction that in so doing they’ve scored some crushing rhetorical coup.

  50. 50.

    kay

    July 30, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    @Hoya:

    I think it’s smart politics. The program is popular, and they want credit for that. I’ll be really surprised if they don’t find the money.
    I live in an auto-industry area and it’s been sort of big news as a success. I think (I hope) they want attention on a success. Let’s hope it’s politics.

  51. 51.

    Leelee for Obama

    July 30, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    @General Winfield Stuck: For the fucking win! And thanks, I needed that. It’s been a baaaaad day!

  52. 52.

    General Winfield Stuck

    July 30, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Wasn’t the original deal 40 acres and a mule. I would try and grow cookies. No one ever has and there seems to be a shortage.

    After reading my own comment, it is apparent the stupids has got meh. Nothing worthwhile to say. clicking heels three times and going galt for time being.

  53. 53.

    Dulcie

    July 30, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    @General Winfield Stuck: Okay, this made me laugh out loud, mostly because the entire cookie situation has annoyed me to no end. Warren Terra is right about folks needing to post in old, worn out threads. All the cookie posts totally ruin the flow of comments.

    I will take forty acres if I get to pick which ones. Forty acres of prime Manhattan real estate would do a body good. Maybe the Hamptons. Or Aspen. I have expensive tastes!

  54. 54.

    Leelee for Obama

    July 30, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    @General Winfield Stuck: FTW! Thanks, Stuck! I needed a good chuckle, it’s been a baaaad day!

  55. 55.

    Anya

    July 30, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Why are people angry with Bill Mahar, he is correct, this country is full of morons. How else do you explain the media and people who watch Fox!

  56. 56.

    Joshua Norton

    July 30, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    The burden of proof is now on the wild-eyed howling lunatics. I’m sure they’re holding out for “the right moment” to release Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate(r). Limbaugh is, no doubt, waiting for “sweeps week’ when all will be revealed.

  57. 57.

    Dulcie

    July 30, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    @Warren Terra: Sorry – didn’t mean to insult :-)

  58. 58.

    Joshua Norton

    July 30, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    The burden of proof is now on the wild-eyed howling lunatics. Obviously, they’re holding out for “the right moment” to release Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate(r).

    Either that, or Limbaugh is just waiting for “sweeps week’ when all will be revealed.

  59. 59.

    CrockPot

    July 30, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    Need a cookie.

  60. 60.

    Demo Woman

    July 30, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Just on principal, I refuse to read anything that Andy McCarthy writes. I’m sure it’s the same biased info that he has always written. By the way Michael Moore is overweight.

  61. 61.

    Warren Terra

    July 30, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    @ #58 By Joshua Norton
    I can’t let a reference to “Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate®” go by without offering a link to it

  62. 62.

    opium4themasses

    July 30, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    cookies for me!

  63. 63.

    gwangung

    July 30, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Obama produced a birth certificate. Hawaii verified. Now it’s birthers’ turn. And saying the birth certificate isn’t good enough AIN’T GONNA CUT IT. The state of Hawaii already has said it is. Birthers’ gotta bring something to the table–asking us to do their work for them is lazy and intellectually dishonest.

    What part of “you made the claim, you support it” don’t they understand?

  64. 64.

    El Cid

    July 30, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    McClatchy commits another flagrant act of actual journalism, and on McClatchy DC’s front page.

    ******************************

    Here’s the truth: ‘Birther’ claims are just plain nuts

    By Steven Thomma | McClatchy Newspapers

    WASHINGTON — The false allegation that President Barack Obama was born in another country is more than a fact-free hit job.

    Marked by accusations and backstabbing, it’s the story of how a small but intense movement called “birthers” rose from a handful of people prone to seeing conspiracies, aided by the Internet, magnified without evidence by eager radio and cable TV hosts, and eventually ratified by a small group of Republican politicians working to keep the story alive on the floors of Congress and the campaign trails of the Midwest.

    It’s a powerful story about what experts call political paranoia over a new face in a time of anxiety and rapid change — the sort of viral message that can take hold among a sliver of the populace that’s ready to believe that the new president is a fraud, and just as ready to angrily dismiss anyone who disagrees as part of the conspiracy…

    …”It’s a fascinating phenomenon,” said Jerrold Post, director of the political psychology program at George Washington University’s Elliott School of International Affairs and author of a recent book entitled, “Political Paranoia.”

    “They are not searching for the truth. They are searching for anything that confirms their fixed idea, their malevolent idea… It doesn’t soothe people to tell them it’s not legitimate. That makes them angry.”…

    …Ultimately, the story’s taken hold with some Republicans.

    Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla. introduced a bill in the House of Representatives that would require a presidential candidate to produce a birth certificate “together with such other documentation as may be necessary” to prove natural-born citizenship. It would take effect in 2012, in time to force Obama to produce more documentation.

    Posey has nine co-sponsors so far, all Republicans.

    In the Senate, Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., told the Tulsa World he didn’t think it was a priority, but that he understood the birthers’ quest.

    “I don’t discourage them from going ahead and pursuing that,” he said.

    There are signs that Republicans see political risk in encouraging the birthers.

    Steele distanced himself from them on Thursday. Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, his party’s leader in the House, said he has other priorities, and that he has no reason to believe the allegation.

  65. 65.

    angulimala

    July 30, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Whitey! WHITEEEEEEEY!

    The video does exist.

    The problem is that it raises more questions than answers….

    Like why Michelle Obama used to look so much like Rick Astley.

  66. 66.

    LindaH

    July 30, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    There is a rightwing group that apparently wants steps 1-5 to happen and then have Hillary take over because she will restore the real constitution. As opposed to what she would actually do and have them for lunch and then turn Bill loose on the Blue Dogs and have him charm then into supporting Hillary.

  67. 67.

    Comrade Darkness

    July 30, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    A president must be “natural born” which precludes any weird goings on in the bedroom.

    It presumably also precludes Caesarian section, episiotomy, or an epidural.

  68. 68.

    LD50

    July 30, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    @El Cid:
    Why is McClatchy so shrill?

  69. 69.

    El Cid

    July 30, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    @LD50: It is the fault of the internets.

  70. 70.

    Comrade Darkness

    July 30, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    It would take effect in 2012, in time to force Obama to produce more documentation.

    By ORly?’s definition Romney couldn’t run. His daddy was borned in Meheeko.

  71. 71.

    Brachiator

    July 30, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    @LD50:

    And why would that supposedly be worse than Obama’s full name being ‘Barack Hussein Obama’?

    You have to understand the full irrationality of the wingnut world view. For example, some birthers double downed on the birth certificate issue. Either it would show that Obama was born not born in the US or it would show that his middle name was actually “Muhammed” and that his “ethnicity” was Arabic.

    The idea, as far as I can determine, is that being born Muslim is somehow genetic and inherently anti-American.

    And the “taint” can also apparently be transferred by adoption, which would also negate his American citizenship and make him a foreign national. And a Muslim.

    Glenn Beck is taking up the other end of this insanity by suggesting that Obama, like all blacks and most Latinos, is anti-white or anti-white culture (whatever that is).

    Note, however, that the taint of being anti-white can be dissipated by becoming a Republican, especially if you demonstrate that you support the cops and support the troops. You also get bonus points if you launch a preemptive strike against any country that has ever said a bad thing about America.

    The Republicans and all conservative pundits will continue to encourage this insanity in the hopes that it will help restore the GOP majority. Nothing else matters.

  72. 72.

    dmsilev

    July 30, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    @tischer:

    Wait- what if Barack is really a few years older………born when Hawaii wasn’t yet a state…..Unexplored country for the birthers!

    That question was asked and answered when Goldwater (born in Arizona when it was still a territory) ran for President in 1964.

    Not that a prior case would stop the birthers.

    Maybe they’ll claim that the certificate is forged because Obama really isn’t 35 years old. They’ll only consider that question settled by cutting one of his legs off and counting the rings.

    -dms

  73. 73.

    LD50

    July 30, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    @Comrade Darkness: But didn’t I read something here yesterday that said that Obama’s COLB says something like “this is valid for all legal purposes” on the bottom, and would thus fulfill the requirements of Posey’s bill?

    Here’s the real question: will the Democrats actually be servile enough to vote for and allow Posey’s bill to pass? More pathetical things *have* happened…

  74. 74.

    Anne Laurie

    July 30, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Obama was later adopted. He’s not Kenyan after all. He’s a Muslim from Indonesia.

    The Bigot Party tried this one out back before the election. Unfortunately for their fevered fantasies, even if they’d been able to find “proof” that his stepfather had legally adopted Obama (which they couldn’t), American law says minor children can’t have their citizenships revoked by proxy. In other words, because Obama is an American citizen, he’d have to have formally renounced his citizenship at some point after his eighteenth birthday — just being adopted by a dirty furriner would not compromise his right to be President.

    One of the best things about America is that “we” have usually chosen a *more* inclusive, rather than exclusive, philosophy of citizenship. Despite the best wishes of the Birfer/Bigots, many of whose forebearers would never have been considered Real Americans(tm) if the country had been controlled by people like Andy “No Irish Need Apply? Never Heard of It” McCarthy.

  75. 75.

    cbear

    July 30, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    @General Winfield Stuck: “I would try and grow cookies.”

    Hmmm, not sure if that will work. Send me a soil sample and I’ll check it out for you.

  76. 76.

    LD50

    July 30, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    ‘Pathetical’? Where did THAT come from??

  77. 77.

    Warren Terra

    July 30, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    @General Winfield Stuck: “I would try and grow cookies.”
    Hmmm, not sure if that will work. Send me a soil sample and I’ll check it out for you.

    While cbear is working on that angle, send me a sample of the cookies you intend to plant and I’ll check out that angle.

  78. 78.

    HRA

    July 30, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    “Marked by accusations and backstabbing, it’s the story of how a small but intense movement called “birthers” rose from a handful of people prone to seeing conspiracies, aided by the Internet, magnified without evidence by eager radio and cable TV hosts, and eventually ratified by a small group of Republican politicians working to keep the story alive on the floors of Congress and the campaign trails of the Midwest.”

    That part of what El Cid sent from McClatchy is so appropriate tonight. Moments ago I replied to a friend from a email group who was wondering why another person in the group has started sending some off the wall articles from the internet bashing Obama, healthcare reform, the economy, etc. She has been progressively acting a bit strange for quite a while. It’s her and others like her who these birthers and their ilk are targeting. It has worked for them from the Palin campaigning. It will work for them by emulating her on any unworthy subject, too.

  79. 79.

    kth

    July 30, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    @LD50: Obama would then have to sign it for it to become law. Since he’d almost certainly veto it, the birthers would have to come up with 2/3 supermajorities in both houses to override it. I wouldn’t worry about it.

  80. 80.

    DMD

    July 30, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    @tischer: Doesn’t work. Hero Barry Goldwater was born when Arizona was still a territory.

  81. 81.

    cbear

    July 30, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    @Warren Terra: Hey dude, I was serious about that soil sample.
    Don’t you know that literally thousands of gooper chicken farmers have gone belly-up due to bad soil? Planted face-up or face-down, the damned chickens just kept dying.

  82. 82.

    El Cid

    July 30, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    @DMD: Yeah, but, you know, Barry Goldwater, he was, um, he was, just different from Barack Obama, in, you know, like, an important way.

  83. 83.

    LD50

    July 30, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    the birthers would have to come up with 2/3 supermajorities in both houses to override it. I wouldn’t worry about it.

    Let’s hope that Harry Reid wouldn’t view that as an opportunity to prove how bipartisan he is.

    Yeesh. This is how bad it’s gotten, that that even *occurred* to me.

  84. 84.

    Mr Poindexter

    July 30, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    It’s official. They’re now the RepubliKKKlan Party.

  85. 85.

    Warren Terra

    July 30, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Don’t you know that literally thousands of gooper chicken farmers have gone belly-up due to bad soil? Planted face-up or face-down, the damned chickens just kept dying.

    Silly goopers. Don’t they know they’re supposed to plant the eggs?
    After all, I think it works for turtles …

  86. 86.

    Ed Drone

    July 30, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    I would try and grow cookies.

    If you moved to Auxxtralia, you’d be a “Cooky” — like in all those old (newly-written) folksongs:

    “For nearly 40 years, I’ve been a Cooky,
    Of drought and flood and hunger, I’ve had plenty…”

    Ed

    (It’s hard to type with my tongue so far into my cheek).

  87. 87.

    Zifnab

    July 30, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    @dmsilev: Pfff. That assumes Hawaii is even actually a state (or Arizona for that matter). I haven’t seen any documentation on any of that. For all we know, the last dozen Presidents have all been frauds. I’m pretty sure we only had 13 original colonies.

    What’s more, where are they even getting this talk of “The Constitution” from? Has anyone actually seen the Constitution? Not the crappy knock off in the Smithsonian. I need to see the original long form document.

  88. 88.

    windshouter

    July 30, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    We need a law that requires Congress to certify for each child whether they are eligible to be president. That way, there will be better records when the time comes. If Congress decides when the kid is two, the opportunities for forgery are limited.

    Now will the site look better?

  89. 89.

    Ben Richards

    July 30, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    With regard to the birther issue (but not with regard to the other crappy points the writers are trying to make), the Nat Review editorial (not mccarthy’s piece, but the actual editorial which is also linked) is a fairly concise and plainly written piece on why the birther issue is a bunch of nonsense.

    No wonder it pissed Mccarthy off so much…

  90. 90.

    cbear

    July 30, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    @Warren Terra: “Plant the eggs”.

    Reminds me of the two goopers talking about eggplants.

    Gooper #1 had never seen an eggplant.
    Gooper #2 had.
    Gooper #1 wanted to know how he had gotten his head so far up the chicken’s ass.

    Ba da bing.

  91. 91.

    Adrienne

    July 30, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    @Hoya: LMAO.

    Also known as:

    1. Cut taxes on the rich
    2. ????
    3. PROFIT!!!!

  92. 92.

    Jen R

    July 31, 2009 at 12:19 am

    @LD50:

    Here’s the real question: will the Democrats actually be servile enough to vote for and allow Posey’s bill to pass?

    Is it wrong that I kind of want all of the Democrats to vote for it, and Obama to sign it with a smile? Can you imagine the knots the birthers would tie themselves into trying to fit that into their conspiracy theories?

  93. 93.

    Wile E. Quixote

    July 31, 2009 at 12:54 am

    So I went to the linked post at Washington Independent and then on to the original NRO piece denouncing the birther nonsense. The first sentence of the NRO denunciation is:

    Pres. Barack Obama has a birthday coming up, a week from Tuesday. We hope he takes the day off—or even the whole week, the briefest of respites from his busy schedule of truncating our liberties while exhausting both the public coffers and our patience.

    Hmmm, wonder if they ever wrote that during the Bush years?

  94. 94.

    LD50

    July 31, 2009 at 1:01 am

    @Jen R: They would point to that as an admission of guilt. Not signing it would be an admission of guilt, too.

  95. 95.

    Wile E. Quixote

    July 31, 2009 at 1:20 am

    If I were a Democratic strategist (which I’m not because I’m disqualified by being a vertebrate with an IQ over 40) I would be all fucking over this birther nonsense. Here are some ideas:

    A TV commercial showing a bunch of Americans of various ethnicities, Vietnamese, Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Thai, Cambodian, Mexican, Cuban, with their name, state and city of residence, occupation (aim for a wide variety, teachers, cops, doctors, dentists, nurses, engineers, accountants) place of birth (all within the United States so their natural born citizens) holding up copies of their birth certificates and asking “Does the Republican party think that my birth certificate is a fake and I’m not a natural born citizen?”

    Or someone like me, a pudgy, middle-aged white guy with a crew cut, a pair of BCGs and a serious gun collection saying “Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii looks just like mine from the State of Texas. Just like President Obama’s birth certificate mine states when I was born, where I was born, my sex, my name and the names of my parents. A notarized copy of that birth certificate, which looks much like the notarized copy of President Obama’s birth certificate, was good enough to allow me to enlist in the Army, qualify for officer training, receive two security clearances and a US passport. No one has ever asked me for any other proof that I am a natural born US citizen. Is this because: a) My birth certificate was issued in Texas? b) Both of my parents are white? c) I’m white? d) all of the above?

    Patriotic music played against a black background with images in the foreground. Two images are on the screen separated by a black border. The images are constantly changing showing a variety of Americans of all ethnicity engaged in activities such as school graduations, singing in a church choir, playing football, getting married, enlisting in the military, having a family picnic and a voiceover saying “It doesn’t matter how hard you work. It doesn’t matter how much you love America. It doesn’t matter how much you’ve done to make yourself a better person. It doesn’t matter how much you’ve done to make America a better place (this would be a great place to show a picture of Dick Cheney kicking Colin Powell out of the Republican party). It doesn’t matter how much you believe in the American Dream. None of this matters to the Republican party, the only thing that matters to them is if you’re white and male.”

    A white background with a map of the United States, Alaska and Hawaii outlined. A group of citizens is standing in each area. The group will made up of each ethnicity according to it’s percentage of the population. Ominous music in the background and a voiceover saying the same script as above. As he recites the line each minority group disappears from the group until at the end only a bunch of white guys are left standing there.

    If I had the money I’d do these myself, alas I don’t.

    I think the Democrats need to jump the fuck all over the racism shown by the birther nonsense, the Sotomayor nomination and everything else and just hammer home the message that if you aren’t a white male you don’t mean shit to the Republican party. I want to see the Republicans forced to acknowledge their racism. I want to see them forced to defend their policies. I want to call them on their bullshit and force them to stop straddling the fence between making token efforts to appeal to minorities and placating white racists.

  96. 96.

    Wile E. Quixote

    July 31, 2009 at 1:25 am

    @LD50

    @Jen R: They would point to that as an admission of guilt. Not signing it would be an admission of guilt, too.

    It’s like arguing with the villagers in Monty Python and the Holy Grail

    Sir Bedevere: What makes you think she’s a witch?
    Peasant 3: Well, she turned me into a newt!
    Sir Bedevere: A newt?
    Peasant 3: [meekly after a long pause] … I got better.
    Crowd: [shouts] Burn her anyway!

    and:

    Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
    Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
    Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
    Peasant 1: Burn them.
    Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
    Peasant 1: More witches.
    Peasant 2: Wood.
    Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
    Peasant 3: …because they’re made of… wood?
    Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
    Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her.
    Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
    Peasant 1: Oh yeah.
    Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
    Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!… It floats! Throw her into the pond!
    Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
    Peasant 1: Bread.
    Peasant 2: Apples.
    Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
    Peasant 1: Cider.
    Peasant 2: Gravy.
    Peasant 3: Cherries.
    Peasant 1: Mud.
    Peasant 2: Churches.
    Peasant 3: Lead! Lead!
    King Arthur: A Duck.
    Sir Bedevere: …Exactly. So, logically…
    Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck… she’s made of wood.
    Sir Bedevere: And therefore…
    Peasant 2: …A witch!

  97. 97.

    Zuzu's Petals

    July 31, 2009 at 3:18 am

    Unbelievable. He recycles almost every debunked piece of flotsam and jetson that was floating on the cesspool surface a year ago.

    If you bothered to read any of it, fact check it at debunker sites like this:

    Obama Conspiracy Theories

  98. 98.

    Zuzu's Petals

    July 31, 2009 at 3:19 am

    jetson=jetsam

  99. 99.

    DougL (frmrly: Conservatively Liberal)

    July 31, 2009 at 5:31 am

    […] debunked piece of flotsam and jetson jetsam…

    Git er right landlubber! ;)

  100. 100.

    chrome agnomen

    July 31, 2009 at 6:20 am

    debunked jetson reports for work at spacely sprockets.

  101. 101.

    Napoleon

    July 31, 2009 at 7:29 am

    NPR is beating up on Dobbs and CNN jumping into bed with the birthers in a strory that just ran. Too funny.

  102. 102.

    gex

    July 31, 2009 at 8:14 am

    @Anne Laurie: I saw an interesting documentary on PBS about the Chinese experience in America. The Chinese were preferred for building the railroads because black slaves were too valuable. With the Chinese you could just let them die by the bucket loads and no big deal. And having invited all these Chinese in to America to die building railroads for big business, the response by some in Congress was an attempt to amend the Constitution so that being born in America didn’t make you an American citizen.

    I wonder how the Chinese went from being the kind of minority you amend the Constitution to keep them from being Americans to being white racists’ favorite minority?

  103. 103.

    Jack

    July 31, 2009 at 8:42 am

    The time lines, places, actions, motives, when analyzed, support, and are consistent with, what is the answer to the Obama birth puzzle:

    Obama’s grandmother is his mother and his mother is his sister.

    Think about it. Review all the facts and claims.

  104. 104.

    Awesom0

    July 31, 2009 at 8:44 am

    I wonder how the Chinese went from being the kind of minority you amend the Constitution to keep them from being Americans to being white racists’ favorite minority?

    There’s the old saying: “The quickest way to a man’s heart is through his stomach”, and General Tso makes himself some damn good chicken.

    Now, if you’ll excuse me; I have to go use the emergency eye rinse in the lab next door. My eyes are buring after reading the birther comments from that W. Indenpendent article.

  105. 105.

    Awesom0

    July 31, 2009 at 8:47 am

    Obama’s grandmother is his mother and his mother is his sister.

    Suggest that to Andrew Sullivan. He seems to believe it when it comes to Palin and Trig…

  106. 106.

    burnspbesq

    July 31, 2009 at 9:05 am

    @narvalking:

    Yes. Experience has revealed that the peak is an illusion, and the search for it is Sisyphean. Everytime we think it’s been reached, within a day or two something even wingnuttier comes along.

  107. 107.

    Persia

    July 31, 2009 at 9:29 am

    @gex: They also fucked with immigration law, can’t remember the exact details but I think they limited families coming in.

  108. 108.

    Comrade Darkness

    July 31, 2009 at 9:52 am

    anti-white culture (whatever that is)

    NASCAR™ and cheetoes! … and . .. I guess, also, General Tso’s Chicken!

    Really though, this lack of cultural confidence is really out of whack. And I pin it on being a young colony still. Do other, older cultures have this kind of freak-out angst whenever even a whiff of criticism comes along? Really guyes, we’ve exported our culture everywhere. In Europe you hear hip hop in every language… oh. oops.

  109. 109.

    Cyrus

    July 31, 2009 at 10:02 am

    @LD50:

    And why would that supposedly be worse than Obama’s full name being ‘Barack Hussein Obama’?

    I see wingnuts calling Obama ‘Barry Soetoro’ all the time. I don’t share their conviction that in so doing they’ve scored some crushing rhetorical coup.

    Calling Obama “Soetoro” is calling him a liar. Doesn’t matter that he’d be crazy to lie about that, to choose a name more infamous than his real one; it just imputes dishonesty to him.

    Either that, or they can’t even picture someone in the White House named “Hussein.” Their mind just blocks it out. I imagine these are both contributing factors for the popularity of the phrase “Barry Soetoro” in certain circles.

  110. 110.

    Stefan

    July 31, 2009 at 10:20 am

    That question was asked and answered when Goldwater (born in Arizona when it was still a territory) ran for President in 1964.

    Actually, I think this question was asked and answered when George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson became president. Because all of those men were born subjects of the British Empire….

  111. 111.

    Jay in Oregon

    July 31, 2009 at 11:02 am

    @Stefan:

    Actually, I think this question was asked and answered when George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson became president. Because all of those men were born subjects of the British Empire….

    The Constitution specifically exempted anyone who was a citizen of the U.S. at the time of ratification of the Constitution from the “must be a natural born citizen” rule. Article II, Section 1.

  112. 112.

    Egilsson

    July 31, 2009 at 11:15 am

    I’d like to see John write a diary declaring formally that he is a DFH.

    He should. They were right, and are still right.

  113. 113.

    Tony J

    July 31, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Is there a problem with the site?

  114. 114.

    Tony J

    July 31, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Ah, no, I see. I just needed that cookie.

  115. 115.

    matoko_chan

    July 31, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Its like a horror movie…where the shaking and terrified conservative protagonists creep closer and closer to the scary door with blood leaking from under it…the psychic tension is unbearable….and then….they finally fling open the door and recoil in stomach-churning horror!
    the door reveals….. this graph correlated with SAT/ACT scores by region.

  116. 116.

    Johnny Pez

    July 31, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    You want to know the real reason Obama won’t release his super-secret real actual original birth certificate?

    It’s because there are five of them!

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