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Dog Friendly Training

by John Cole|  August 10, 20096:43 pm| 25 Comments

This post is in: Dog Blogging, Excellent Links

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Via Jim Henley, who has an adorable new pup, this TED presentation with Ian Dunbar is well worth your time:

Good stuff.

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  1. 1.

    shortstop

    August 10, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Man, I need something — maybe this is it. Our dog just hit the 24-30-month-old period in which behavior changes (hers — not us changing our reactions to her behavior) can be rampant. All of a sudden she doesn’t want to walk. At all. We live in a huge city and she has to walk if she’s going to pee or poop. Got a call in to the trainer, but welcome any help in the meantime.

  2. 2.

    JK

    August 10, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    TED (Technology, Entertainment, Design) http://www.ted.com is one of the greatest ideas since sliced bread.

    Anyone who hasn’t heard of TED should browse their website. All of their lectures are extremely informative and illuminating. If you like TED, you should check out http://www.poptech.com and http://www.thelasthope.org/talks.html.

    Other great sites for lectures and presentaions more general and less technology oriented are http://fora.tv and the http://www.booktv.org (the companion website to BookTV, the best idea in the history of television programming)

  3. 3.

    JK

    August 10, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    TED (Technology Entertainment Design) is a treasure trove of great information

    Other great sites for fascinating lectures and presentations
    http://www.booktv.org
    http://www.poptech.com
    http://fora.tv
    http://www.thelasthope.org/talks.html

  4. 4.

    Mike Furlan

    August 10, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Sad.

    The implications of his failure with the dog he worked with for a long time, which was then euthanized are entirely lost on him.

    He is right, except when he isn’t.

  5. 5.

    MattR

    August 10, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    Mike Furlan – You are making assumptions about the success or failure of Dr Dunbar’s treatment with respect to that dog as well as the ultimate reason that it was put down.

  6. 6.

    The next-to-last samurai

    August 10, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    Don’t overlook the obvious cause–try to find out if walking has become painful for her. if that’s not it, is it possible something along the usual route frightened her? Have you tried a different route? Don’t be ashamed to coax her along with goodies until things calm down, or to pick her up and carry her if you have to (one hopes she isn’t a Great Dane). Be persistent and gentle–it is unlikely she is being deliberately annoying, so coo about what a good doggy she is even if all she does on her own is take 1 step. Good luck!

  7. 7.

    Ked

    August 10, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Isn’t TED that awful United Airlines discount domestic service? Got stuck on one of their flights into Vegas a couple years ago. Bleah.

  8. 8.

    Shinobi

    August 10, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    It’s so nice to hear sensible dog training advice. If one more person tells me I need to be my dog’s Alpha I’m going to become their Alpha.

  9. 9.

    Shinobi

    August 10, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    @Mike Furlan: You’ve got to be kidding me right? Dogs are regularly euthanized for merely making snapping motions at people during temperament tests. The fact that he even agreed to attempt to help the dog likely was what kept that dog alive. Unfortunately some dogs just cannot be fixed due to poor breeding or abuse.

  10. 10.

    The next-to-last samurai

    August 10, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    Thank you, Shinobi! Put in a good word w/the Tunchinator for me.

  11. 11.

    shortstop

    August 10, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    Thanks, next-to-last. We don’t think it’s physical pain, as she’s young and energetic and plays exuberantly at home and at the dog park. Our best guess is that she’s newly afraid/taken aback by certain loud noises, although there doesn’t seem to be any discernible pattern — sometimes garbage trucks freak her out, for example, and other times she doesn’t even seem to notice them. Sometimes she just stops and refuses to move and we can’t identify any stimulus at all that’s causing it. Varying the route helps some, but not always.

    Yes, of course we’re always gentle with her. We know that dogs don’t do this stuff because of stubbornness; their minds don’t work like that. Just trying to get at the root of what’s suddenly bothering her. How I wish she could tell me!

  12. 12.

    MarkusB

    August 10, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Wow, this is great. TED is great. Thanks, John, and JK, also.

  13. 13.

    HRA

    August 10, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    As I was watching the video, Tiki (15 months old) was behind me chewing on his hard plastic toy ring. I had given him a quick look and that’s what I saw him doing. Then towards the end of the video the chewing sounded different. He was chewing my throw rug around the edges.
    Basically, that’s the problem we have with him – he likes chewing what he shouldn’t chew.

    Shortstop: We walk Tiki around our large yard. He loves the back yard where he can chase squirrels, bunnies and birds. He will stop and refuse to move if we are in front near the street. He seems to want to prolong the outside experience and to wait for the attention he will get from any other passerby with dog or kids.
    If you have a park nearby, trying it out for her walk may be helpful.

  14. 14.

    Gina

    August 10, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Would that my husband were easier to train than my Rottie.

    We’re starting the process toward adopting another Rottie, our other male died recently, complications from diabetes, and some weird neurological stuff led us to euthanize. My other Rottie guy, Mo (who’s been in pet pics here) was subdued and clingy for a couple of weeks, now he’s wanting us to play with him, but like a dog would. Like, “I have a great bone here, don’t you just want to jump on my head and wrestle for it???” Um, no…

    I miss having dogs rip-roaring around the house, moving furniture around, knocking holes in drywall. It’s like a real-life Animal House, minus the drinking. Keeps me young :-)

  15. 15.

    Mike Furlan

    August 10, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    @Mike Furlan: You’ve got to be kidding me right? Dogs are regularly euthanized for merely making snapping motions at people during temperament tests. The fact that he even agreed to attempt to help the dog likely was what kept that dog alive. Unfortunately some dogs just cannot be fixed due to poor breeding or abuse.

    Did you listen to what he said?

    The short version:

    “All interpersonal and interspecies relationships would be perfect, if only everybody would do what I do.”

    “I am so sure of this that I feel the urge to strike anyone who doesn’t do as I do.”

    Personally I believe that an “all positive” approach to relationships, with pets or people is something that we all should stive to attain.

    However when faced with the choice of:

    1. Dad who yells at his kid to “stop kicking the damn seat!” once.
    2. Or a Dad who says, “Billy you are doing such a good job sitting still in you seat, you are such a good boy”. Every five minutes. For the full duration of a 6 hour flight.

    I cannot argue with somebody who would prefer to sit next to Dad number 1.

    Certainly makes more sense than your idea of euthanizing the poor kid.

    Seriously, we agree. Nothing works all the time. But you would not know that from listening to Ian Dunbar.

  16. 16.

    Mike Furlan

    August 10, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Mike Furlan – You are making assumptions about the success or failure of Dr Dunbar’s treatment with respect to that dog as well as the ultimate reason that it was put down.

    1. He did say he spent a long time with this dog.

    2. Had the dog been put down due to something other than the failure of his treatments, he surely would have mentioned it.

    What I’m picking up here is his “dark side.”

    I think the world would be a better place if we all tried his “all positive” approach.

    But going through life with the almost uncontrollable urge to beat up people who disagree hints that he has some serious personal problems.

  17. 17.

    jimbob

    August 11, 2009 at 1:11 am

    Good gawd. This vid and thread is why dog-owners shouldn’t own dogs.

    Much the same as most people should not have kids.

    I “have” neither, yet I am well-loved by dogs and children alike. Much like Hitler was, so I’ve read ‘though I have nothing against certain ethnic types and don’t want to rule the world.

    I’m quite content to ruin my own life, thank you very much.

  18. 18.

    The next-to-last samurai

    August 11, 2009 at 1:30 am

    Well, it would be sort of pointless to go through life beating up people who do agree.

  19. 19.

    geemoney

    August 11, 2009 at 3:49 am

    @shortstop: As I am sure you know, that is one of the classic fear periods for young dogs. From what I remember, that should be about the last one. There’s not much to do but to reassure them. Like another poster said, just constant encouragement, and working with them through the things that are scaring them. The hardest thing is to make sure that you react the right way when they are confronted with what they don’t like and begin to react negatively.

  20. 20.

    shortstop

    August 11, 2009 at 8:39 am

    Thanks, guys. It’s helpful to remember that this is just a stage…I have horrible visions of her living a fear-filled life, but this will almost certainly pass. We’ll take it one step at a time.

  21. 21.

    Capri

    August 11, 2009 at 9:22 am

    I used to volunteer at my kids’ primary school in the library. The school used a positive technique to guide behavior as their guiding philosophy. When I first heard that I thought it was a complete load of crap. But, low and behold, the first class came in for library time. 20 unguided rockets also known as 2nd graders charged into the library. The librarian said it was story time, which got them to come over in her general vicinity. She started by ignoring all the talking, pushing, shoving, and other junk that 90% of the class was doing and commented on the one or two kids who were doing what they were supposed to. “Lisa is sitting quietly ready to listen to the story.” Within 20 seconds the entire class was sitting quietly too. It was amazing. Plus, this happened class period after class period day after day- it was not a fluke.

    I did the same myself and got similar results. One time at a resturant two of my kids were crabbing at each other and fighting over something. I ignored them and commented that Kid 3 was sitting quietly in her chair and behaving like one should in public. The other 2 immediately did the same.

    Guess I’m saying don’t knock it till you’ve tried it.

  22. 22.

    Mike Furlan

    August 11, 2009 at 10:05 am

    Guess I’m saying don’t knock it till you’ve tried it.

    Agreed.

    1. Except that it doesn’t always work. And with kids, you can’t just kill the outliers. What then?

    2. Why not have a little compassion for a parent who, maybe against their better judgement, who has “lost it?”

    I find the contrast between infinite patience for a pet or child, but zero tolerance for an adult disturbing.

  23. 23.

    Capri

    August 11, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    No form of training/discipline always works. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t ever use it. Not sure what that has to do with outliers – euthanized or otherwise.

    The nice thing (or not) about being a parent is that there’s almost always another chance as you’re living with the child and will no doubt be in a similar situation to the one that set a kids off in the near future.

  24. 24.

    Mike Furlan

    August 11, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    No form of training/discipline always works. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t ever use it. Not sure what that has to do with outliers – euthanized or otherwise.

    OK, one last time.

    The fine video tells us that you should use his form of training all the time, or you should be beaten. Folks want to defend that, fine.

    Other people here tell me that, OK so he could not save a dog, not his fault that it had to be destroyed.

    So I ask, what do you do with the people that his method cannot help?

  25. 25.

    Seth

    August 11, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    First, Ian Dunbar is frequently a jerk. Some people are like that.

    That said, dog training as practiced by most people is based on punishment. Cesar Milan is purely punishment based. Frequently, our personal interactions are the same way – ignore the good, punish the bad. But the vast majority of the time the techniques Ian talks about are more effective with fewer side effects. There’s scientific research to back this up. Why focus on the rare cases when most people are doing it wrong on the common cases? It strikes me as similar to the ticking time bomb argument – arguing from the exceptional case.

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