If it’s Sunday, it’s time for John McCain appear on my television. All hail President McCain.
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smiley
I thought Wilco was more widely known. When I mentioned at a family reunion that I went to a Wilco concert, no one in the group of 10-12 of the “younger” generation had ever heard of them. Now I guess I know why.
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Tom
Nice piece on Don Hewitt. Looking forward to “60 Minutes” tonight.
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geg6
As I mentioned in the previous thread, Wilco…woot! And I also mentioned that a second contribution to my good mood was reading Aimai’s post on No More Mister Nice Blog (sorry about no link due to being on the mobile but Digby’s place is where I found the link) about being at a picnic with Joke Line. Fucking awesome stuff. The best is Klein screaming that Glenzilla is the EEEVUL! because he made his editor cry. Read it. I also recommend Frank Rich’s column. It’s all been good, so I am going to make buttermilk pancakes with fresh buttermilk and butter from the farmer’s market for breakfast for My John and me. Got some Kona brewed. And steaks for dinner. Good day, BJers!
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JK
CBS Sunday Morning and C-SPAN’s Washington Journal are the only public affairs shows worth watching on Sunday morning.
I realize that Mark Halperin is a clueless dickwad, but this joke photo and headline is remarkably tasteless even for someone as lowly as him. I wish Bob Herbert would kick Mark Halperin’s fucking ass.
Very good interview with Robert Baer about Iran on Washington Journal this morning. Hopefully, C-SPAN will have the video posted on the web by this evening.
Previous segment with Linda Feldman of the Christian Science Monitor and Vaughn Ververs of Politico was depressing as hell especially when Feldman rattled off a bunch of Republican challengers who have good prospects for winning seats in Congress in the midterm elections.
Last week Meet the Press had Rachel Maddow, this week they have douchebag Joe Scarborough.
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MikeJ
Wicket! 236-5
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Ed in NJ
I know I’m in the minority, but after the breakup of Uncle Tupelo, I find myself firmly in the Son Volt camp. Trace is in my top 10 albums of all time. I’ve always thought Wilco was overrated, and some of their fans can be a bit pretentious, as if they are somehow more enlightened than the rest of us non-believers.
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mcd410x
Speaking of pretentious Wilco fans, I’m planning to head home to Memphis for a wedding in October when Wilco announces a show for the night of the afternoon wedding and then I get fourth row, center during the pre-sale.
Wilco isn’t well-known? How come I’ve heard of them, then?
@geg6: Wow. I need a ciggie after reading Aimai’s account of her encounter with Klein. She does a great job eviscerating him. Alas, it won’t get him to actually think about what she said, but then again, nothing really will.
So, when does Grampy Prez McCain show up on the teevee machine? In five, four, three, two, one….
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eric
My “deep’ thought for the day on the craptacular media:
When I look back at the institutions/businesses of which I have been a part, one thing stands out to me: just how much each sub-group collectively believed that it was the key to the larger whole’s success. So, for example, at a law firm, I have heard the secretaries say that if it wasn’f for them, the place would fall a part because the lawyers can’t do much on their own. I have heard the associates say that the place survived only because of their “selfless” and tireless willingness to work ridiculous hours while the partners golfed or whatever. I have heard the partners lament that they place would go to shit were they not bringing in the business.
What does this mean? Well, not to get all marxist, but each class, including and especially the rent seekers, fail to realize that the an institution is a group effort and it really could not survive without one group. (Think also sports: yeah, the quarterback is important, but put him behind and bad O-line and voila, sprained ACL.)
Back to the media — they collectively see themselves as the most important sub-group in the insitution we broadly call “politics.” They see themselves as essential and paramount to a working democracy (as they define it and it certainly isn’t participatory), and thus generate an oversized sense of collective self that must be protected at all costs.
So, we see them fight back the barbarians of the blogosphere as know-nothing knuckle draggers or idelogoical purists that fail to understand the grown up realities of real world politics. Thus, they still ride the McCain bandwagon and continue to have him on Sunday mornings as part of their effort to show that “being right means never having to say you are sorry.”
Similarly, the DFHers can be marginalized because they play no active role in the adult DC world where people go to steakhouses and cocktail parties or vacation in “non-exotic” places.
So here we are on Sunday mornings in a TV world where progresives don’t exist and when they exist they are referred to as purists on Obama’s left flank calling for the imposible while ignoring political realities. (Even the dems get to beat that drum, and usually are the loudest.) We get to hear McCain and his discredited right wing brethren (he never was a maverick or a moderate) talk as if what passes for their ideas actually worked over the last eight years.
The press (at its highest level, the punditocracy) sees itself as the indispensible player in American politics and will never admit that it was wrong or admit onto its airwaves those voices that truly question the import and efficacy of the mainstream media.
Until the MSM-Heathers are undermined by some more progressive new media that exists outside the “world” of the DC playas, there will be no real progressive reform or even truly adult dialogue on those issues that will matter far beyond the whereabouts of a missing 23 year old white blonde (see global warming, peak oil, health care, the future global politics of fresh water).
eric
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SiubhanDuinne
I was ignorant of Wilco until I heard an in-depth NPR piece on them a few weeks ago (Morning Edition? ATC? Fresh Air? Can’t remember now) but I like what I heard then and this morning.
Loved the segment on trains, and I agree with Tom that “60 Minutes” tonight is a must-watch. Patti Davis and Nancy Reagan, not so much. I wasn’t interested in their estrangement 25 years ago, I’m not interested in their reconciliation now.
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ominira
John McCain has insisted that Obama must drop the public option. Since I use McCain’s utterances as a gauge of what will not happen, I am now absolutely confident that we will get a bill with a decent public option. I’m going back to sleep.
John McCain must go fuck himself. The MSM needs to stop sucking his cock every 5 minutes and asking him for his opinion every other second. McCain is a warped, frustrated asshole who can’t get over the fact that Obama beat him.
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ChrisB
Classic moment on the This Week round table this morning with George Will criticizing Obama for being “shrill” on health care and Paul Krugman saying it reminded him of 2004 when being undoubtedly correct meant you were shrill. Krugman was really good on that panel, though you had to endure Will and David Frum to hear him.
Meanwhile, on The Chris Matthews Show, Gloria Borger, Joe Klein, Tina Brown and Bob Woodward were talking about the future of journalism and found themselves discussing blogging, which they found to be a solitary pursuit without the sense of community that one finds in a newsroom and which they criticized for lacking the detailed fact checking and editing that one finds in a newspaper (though Joe Klein did point out that the comments to his work provided another source of fact checking). Pretty much what you would expect.
John McCain was never a maverick or a moderate but he was always an obnoxious, smarmy asshole.
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4jkb4ia
@ChrisB:
A solitary pursuit without the sense of community that one finds in a newsroom! BWAHAHAHA! These people have never read Daily Kos for a month!
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4jkb4ia
OK, sports fans, I was hoping to ask TimF but I don’t know when he will show up again.
In Ian McDonald’s story “The Tear” the enemy burns the oil fields on the watery planet. After many centuries all of the water is evaporated due to global warming. We also have the facts that there was oil-absorbing plankton which died due to the global warming and put its carbon in the atmosphere, and that the planet has a 40-degree-or-so tilt to its axis. My husband claims that the water could not all evaporate unless there was a) low gravity or b) no Van Allen belt. Is this true?
Meanwhile, on The Chris Matthews Show, Gloria Borger, Joe Klein, Tina Brown and Bob Woodward were talking about the future of journalism and found themselves discussing blogging, which they found to be a solitary pursuit without the sense of community that one finds in a newsroom and which they criticized for lacking the detailed fact checking and editing that one finds in a newspaper
I don’t think these people have read ANY blogs that allow comments. Blog commenters are some of the most merciless fact-checkers out there, whereas other forms of journalism have really shit the bed when it comes to getting their facts straight.
And as far as a sense of community goes, that’s too ridiculous to even address.
Glad to hear Krugman was good, but I can’t stomach these goddamn Sunday morning shows anymore. They are such a crock of shit. In order to get a few sensible minutes with Krugman, you have to endure lying, fucking scumbags like George Will and David Frum.
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eric
@RedKitten: If any blogger or any commenter on any liberal / progressive blog wrote a post or comment as bad as Kristol’s recent unmentionables, he or she would be mercilessly pummeled in the comments. Where are the editorials in Newsweek or Time or the LA Times or the Post/Times (whichever Kristol was not working for at the time of his particular transgressions)??? Silent. How about his COMPETITION on the other TV networks?
From my experience, when your competitor steps in it, you pounce to show how much better you were. Not in the MSM community.
The MSM values “civility” as a way to insulate itself from criticism and error. If civility leaves errors unspoken then there is no shame, there is, in fact, no error. There is no falling tree. Also.
I was going to ask which Sunday morning Serious Thoughtful People Talking Down to the Rest of Us show was going to have grandpa failed presidential candidate on this week?
Sunday mornings make me glad I cancelled my cable subscription.
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RedKitten
Well, between the talking heads, the infomercials, and the “save me jeebus” shows, Sunday morning is totally a wash when it comes to TV. We’ll probably lose our dish reception soon due to Hurricane Bill, and it definitely won’t be much of a loss.
Hope the dish reception is the only thing that gets interrupted. Stay dry.
That was one thing that I always hated about having a satellite was that any big storm would knock out the reception. Cable was a lot better, at least on that point.
And as far as a sense of community goes, that’s too ridiculous to even address.
Nothing shows that better than the response here to the birth of your son.
(That was a fantastic journal, by the way. In particular, my wife liked the part about the anesthesiologist arriving to the sound of angels singing.)
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Elizabelle
RedKitten: congratulations on the new little son. How are you all doing?
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The next-to-last samurai
And what’s the baby’s name? Enjoy him now, the 2’s are around the corner! Whereas now, you can say any stupid thing you like to him, & not only will he not argue with you, he will gaze at you with the solemn approval of a Serious Journalist gazing at a cranky old Republican politician.
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RedKitten
His name is Samuel, and I think I won the baby lottery. Not only is he an absurdly gorgeous baby, but he’s really, really easygoing. The kid’s only 9 days old and already on a bit of a schedule. He usually conks out around midnight, and only wakes up once during the night, and then is awake again anytime between 7 and 8am. He has his awake, unsettled time in the evenings, but doesn’t fuss. I’ve been getting about 8 hours of sleep a night, and I think since we brought him home, he’s cried a cumulative total of about 10 minutes. I’m sure any other new mother reading this will want to scratch my eyes out.
The worst of the hurricane appears to be over — it’s now just a windy, rainy day. We didn’t lose power, so that’s good.
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Yutsano
@RedKitten: Enjoy it now. From what I understand from friends who have children, the schedule thing doesn’t last. And you will get zero warnings about when that schedule will be altered. Still it makes me happy there’s another Canadian in the world :)
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Aunt Moe
I love CBS Sunday morning. And I like Bob Scheiffer – he rarely has the ‘guest of the week’ on his half hour.
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Hunter Gathers
If it’s Sunday, it’s time for John McCain appear on my television. All hail President McCain.
smiley
I thought Wilco was more widely known. When I mentioned at a family reunion that I went to a Wilco concert, no one in the group of 10-12 of the “younger” generation had ever heard of them. Now I guess I know why.
Tom
Nice piece on Don Hewitt. Looking forward to “60 Minutes” tonight.
geg6
As I mentioned in the previous thread, Wilco…woot! And I also mentioned that a second contribution to my good mood was reading Aimai’s post on No More Mister Nice Blog (sorry about no link due to being on the mobile but Digby’s place is where I found the link) about being at a picnic with Joke Line. Fucking awesome stuff. The best is Klein screaming that Glenzilla is the EEEVUL! because he made his editor cry. Read it. I also recommend Frank Rich’s column. It’s all been good, so I am going to make buttermilk pancakes with fresh buttermilk and butter from the farmer’s market for breakfast for My John and me. Got some Kona brewed. And steaks for dinner. Good day, BJers!
JK
CBS Sunday Morning and C-SPAN’s Washington Journal are the only public affairs shows worth watching on Sunday morning.
I realize that Mark Halperin is a clueless dickwad, but this joke photo and headline is remarkably tasteless even for someone as lowly as him. I wish Bob Herbert would kick Mark Halperin’s fucking ass.
Bob Herbert Goes Wee-Wee
http://thepage.time.com/2009/08/22/bob-herbert-goes-wee-wee
Very good interview with Robert Baer about Iran on Washington Journal this morning. Hopefully, C-SPAN will have the video posted on the web by this evening.
Previous segment with Linda Feldman of the Christian Science Monitor and Vaughn Ververs of Politico was depressing as hell especially when Feldman rattled off a bunch of Republican challengers who have good prospects for winning seats in Congress in the midterm elections.
Last week Meet the Press had Rachel Maddow, this week they have douchebag Joe Scarborough.
MikeJ
Wicket! 236-5
Ed in NJ
I know I’m in the minority, but after the breakup of Uncle Tupelo, I find myself firmly in the Son Volt camp. Trace is in my top 10 albums of all time. I’ve always thought Wilco was overrated, and some of their fans can be a bit pretentious, as if they are somehow more enlightened than the rest of us non-believers.
mcd410x
Speaking of pretentious Wilco fans, I’m planning to head home to Memphis for a wedding in October when Wilco announces a show for the night of the afternoon wedding and then I get fourth row, center during the pre-sale.
Just. Totally. Excellent.
asiangrrlMN
Wilco isn’t well-known? How come I’ve heard of them, then?
@geg6: Wow. I need a ciggie after reading Aimai’s account of her encounter with Klein. She does a great job eviscerating him. Alas, it won’t get him to actually think about what she said, but then again, nothing really will.
So, when does Grampy Prez McCain show up on the teevee machine? In five, four, three, two, one….
eric
My “deep’ thought for the day on the craptacular media:
When I look back at the institutions/businesses of which I have been a part, one thing stands out to me: just how much each sub-group collectively believed that it was the key to the larger whole’s success. So, for example, at a law firm, I have heard the secretaries say that if it wasn’f for them, the place would fall a part because the lawyers can’t do much on their own. I have heard the associates say that the place survived only because of their “selfless” and tireless willingness to work ridiculous hours while the partners golfed or whatever. I have heard the partners lament that they place would go to shit were they not bringing in the business.
What does this mean? Well, not to get all marxist, but each class, including and especially the rent seekers, fail to realize that the an institution is a group effort and it really could not survive without one group. (Think also sports: yeah, the quarterback is important, but put him behind and bad O-line and voila, sprained ACL.)
Back to the media — they collectively see themselves as the most important sub-group in the insitution we broadly call “politics.” They see themselves as essential and paramount to a working democracy (as they define it and it certainly isn’t participatory), and thus generate an oversized sense of collective self that must be protected at all costs.
So, we see them fight back the barbarians of the blogosphere as know-nothing knuckle draggers or idelogoical purists that fail to understand the grown up realities of real world politics. Thus, they still ride the McCain bandwagon and continue to have him on Sunday mornings as part of their effort to show that “being right means never having to say you are sorry.”
Similarly, the DFHers can be marginalized because they play no active role in the adult DC world where people go to steakhouses and cocktail parties or vacation in “non-exotic” places.
So here we are on Sunday mornings in a TV world where progresives don’t exist and when they exist they are referred to as purists on Obama’s left flank calling for the imposible while ignoring political realities. (Even the dems get to beat that drum, and usually are the loudest.) We get to hear McCain and his discredited right wing brethren (he never was a maverick or a moderate) talk as if what passes for their ideas actually worked over the last eight years.
The press (at its highest level, the punditocracy) sees itself as the indispensible player in American politics and will never admit that it was wrong or admit onto its airwaves those voices that truly question the import and efficacy of the mainstream media.
Until the MSM-Heathers are undermined by some more progressive new media that exists outside the “world” of the DC playas, there will be no real progressive reform or even truly adult dialogue on those issues that will matter far beyond the whereabouts of a missing 23 year old white blonde (see global warming, peak oil, health care, the future global politics of fresh water).
eric
SiubhanDuinne
I was ignorant of Wilco until I heard an in-depth NPR piece on them a few weeks ago (Morning Edition? ATC? Fresh Air? Can’t remember now) but I like what I heard then and this morning.
Loved the segment on trains, and I agree with Tom that “60 Minutes” tonight is a must-watch. Patti Davis and Nancy Reagan, not so much. I wasn’t interested in their estrangement 25 years ago, I’m not interested in their reconciliation now.
ominira
John McCain has insisted that Obama must drop the public option. Since I use McCain’s utterances as a gauge of what will not happen, I am now absolutely confident that we will get a bill with a decent public option. I’m going back to sleep.
JK
@ominira:
John McCain must go fuck himself. The MSM needs to stop sucking his cock every 5 minutes and asking him for his opinion every other second. McCain is a warped, frustrated asshole who can’t get over the fact that Obama beat him.
ChrisB
Classic moment on the This Week round table this morning with George Will criticizing Obama for being “shrill” on health care and Paul Krugman saying it reminded him of 2004 when being undoubtedly correct meant you were shrill. Krugman was really good on that panel, though you had to endure Will and David Frum to hear him.
Meanwhile, on The Chris Matthews Show, Gloria Borger, Joe Klein, Tina Brown and Bob Woodward were talking about the future of journalism and found themselves discussing blogging, which they found to be a solitary pursuit without the sense of community that one finds in a newsroom and which they criticized for lacking the detailed fact checking and editing that one finds in a newspaper (though Joe Klein did point out that the comments to his work provided another source of fact checking). Pretty much what you would expect.
I watch (occasionally) so you don’t have to.
JK
@eric:
John McCain was never a maverick or a moderate but he was always an obnoxious, smarmy asshole.
4jkb4ia
@ChrisB:
A solitary pursuit without the sense of community that one finds in a newsroom! BWAHAHAHA! These people have never read Daily Kos for a month!
4jkb4ia
OK, sports fans, I was hoping to ask TimF but I don’t know when he will show up again.
In Ian McDonald’s story “The Tear” the enemy burns the oil fields on the watery planet. After many centuries all of the water is evaporated due to global warming. We also have the facts that there was oil-absorbing plankton which died due to the global warming and put its carbon in the atmosphere, and that the planet has a 40-degree-or-so tilt to its axis. My husband claims that the water could not all evaporate unless there was a) low gravity or b) no Van Allen belt. Is this true?
ChrisB
@4jkb4ia: Exactly. Or here, of course.
RedKitten
@ChrisB:
I don’t think these people have read ANY blogs that allow comments. Blog commenters are some of the most merciless fact-checkers out there, whereas other forms of journalism have really shit the bed when it comes to getting their facts straight.
And as far as a sense of community goes, that’s too ridiculous to even address.
JK
@ChrisB:
Glad to hear Krugman was good, but I can’t stomach these goddamn Sunday morning shows anymore. They are such a crock of shit. In order to get a few sensible minutes with Krugman, you have to endure lying, fucking scumbags like George Will and David Frum.
eric
@RedKitten: If any blogger or any commenter on any liberal / progressive blog wrote a post or comment as bad as Kristol’s recent unmentionables, he or she would be mercilessly pummeled in the comments. Where are the editorials in Newsweek or Time or the LA Times or the Post/Times (whichever Kristol was not working for at the time of his particular transgressions)??? Silent. How about his COMPETITION on the other TV networks?
From my experience, when your competitor steps in it, you pounce to show how much better you were. Not in the MSM community.
The MSM values “civility” as a way to insulate itself from criticism and error. If civility leaves errors unspoken then there is no shame, there is, in fact, no error. There is no falling tree. Also.
eric
arguingwithsignposts
@Hunter Gathers:
I was going to ask which Sunday morning Serious Thoughtful People Talking Down to the Rest of Us show was going to have grandpa failed presidential candidate on this week?
Sunday mornings make me glad I cancelled my cable subscription.
RedKitten
Well, between the talking heads, the infomercials, and the “save me jeebus” shows, Sunday morning is totally a wash when it comes to TV. We’ll probably lose our dish reception soon due to Hurricane Bill, and it definitely won’t be much of a loss.
arguingwithsignposts
@RedKitten:
Hope the dish reception is the only thing that gets interrupted. Stay dry.
That was one thing that I always hated about having a satellite was that any big storm would knock out the reception. Cable was a lot better, at least on that point.
ChrisB
@RedKitten:
Nothing shows that better than the response here to the birth of your son.
(That was a fantastic journal, by the way. In particular, my wife liked the part about the anesthesiologist arriving to the sound of angels singing.)
Elizabelle
RedKitten: congratulations on the new little son. How are you all doing?
The next-to-last samurai
And what’s the baby’s name? Enjoy him now, the 2’s are around the corner! Whereas now, you can say any stupid thing you like to him, & not only will he not argue with you, he will gaze at you with the solemn approval of a Serious Journalist gazing at a cranky old Republican politician.
RedKitten
His name is Samuel, and I think I won the baby lottery. Not only is he an absurdly gorgeous baby, but he’s really, really easygoing. The kid’s only 9 days old and already on a bit of a schedule. He usually conks out around midnight, and only wakes up once during the night, and then is awake again anytime between 7 and 8am. He has his awake, unsettled time in the evenings, but doesn’t fuss. I’ve been getting about 8 hours of sleep a night, and I think since we brought him home, he’s cried a cumulative total of about 10 minutes. I’m sure any other new mother reading this will want to scratch my eyes out.
The worst of the hurricane appears to be over — it’s now just a windy, rainy day. We didn’t lose power, so that’s good.
Yutsano
@RedKitten: Enjoy it now. From what I understand from friends who have children, the schedule thing doesn’t last. And you will get zero warnings about when that schedule will be altered. Still it makes me happy there’s another Canadian in the world :)
Aunt Moe
I love CBS Sunday morning. And I like Bob Scheiffer – he rarely has the ‘guest of the week’ on his half hour.