I think the reason why Politico and the Washington Post compulsively insist that the unquestioning chumps who bought Republican WMD baloney are the only serious people in America should be pretty obvious.
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Zifnab
Media masturbation. If you’re not in the club, you’re just being shrill.
linda
bwahahahahaha:
The DCCC announced that as of 6:30 a.m. ET this morning, Miller had received more than $750,000, from over 20,000 individual contributors, in the time since Wilson’s interjection.
Little Dreamer
@linda:
Today is Friday, payday for many Americans. I expect that number to go higher.
Mr. Wilson, eat your heart out!
noncarborundum
Let me guess. Is it because they themselves were unquestioning chumps who bought Republican WMD baloney? Nah, too easy. Couldn’t be that.
asiangrrlMN
@linda: I sent a few bills his way. I like to think of it as helping to weed out the batshitcrazystupidinsane from the political gene pool.
@Zifnab: You can still be shrill even if you’re purportedly in the club. See, Krugman, Paul as an example.
Cat Lady
I’m going to be shrill and suggest that the correct way to honor 9/11 is to pray that every mainstream media outlet complicit in the Bush/Cheney administration’s successful misinformation campaign to lie us into Iraq will collapse in on itself like WTC 7.
dmsilev
@linda:
Make an utter ass of yourself, see your opponent get an entire cycle’s worth of money in about a day and a half.
Wonder if any of Wilson’s colleagues will take that lesson to heart?
-dms
me
“HTML Mencken” would be a great name for a blog.
liberal
Greenwald has this recent, really funny tweet:
me
Apparently I post too quickly.
linda
it is remarkable to see that total raised, isn’t it.
wilson’s outburst appears to be the proverbial straw, judging by that number.
asiangrrlMN
Elwin Tinkelberg (Bachmann’s opponent last time) raised a million dollars (or so) through ActBlue after Bachmann’s crazy “there are s o c i a lis t s in Congress” appearance on Hardball. I think it’s fair to say that Dems get the message that we need to let our money do the talking.
jnfr
I think a lot of us found August pretty frustrating, what with all the anger drummed up on the right shouting down the majority who still want health care reform. I think the outburst of cash for Miller is actually a response to that frustration. Wilson just provided the seed.
Anyway, I’m still amusing myself watching the total go up on the ActBlue page.
TheFountainHead
Politico: We were right when we were wrong, so much so that we can be wrong about being right.
MattF
If only… If only “being right, once in a while” was even theoretically significant in political arguments. Oh well… back to reality.
Angela
I’m still enjoying refreshing that page too. It is satisfying to watch Rob Miller’s windfall keep going and going. He has now raised more than he spent in the last campaign.
Sputnik_Sweetheart
@linda: I checked on Slate Card (I gather it is the conservative version of ActBlue?) and the amount donated to Joe Wilson was $300 from 7 people.
ominira
@linda: It’s now $756,722 – I’ve loved watching it go up & seeing the names of some of the groups contributing:
-Retiring Ass Clown Joe Wilson (aka, guy who yelled “You lie” at Obama)
-Californians against Joe “The Jerk” Wilson
-Ohioans for civil discourse
-Iowans Against Idiocy
-Talkers against screamers
-R-E-S-P-E-C-T …you’ll learn it the HARD way!
My favorite group?
J. Wilson canceled Arrested Development
by Tobias Funke
Cain
@dmsilev:
Why would they? Didn’t Michelle Bachmann do the same thing and her opponent got a crapload of money, she barely edged out of there with a victory unfortunately. For someone who squeaked by, she sure is confident about running for the brass ring that is President of the United States.
cain
SenyorDave
The difference between the left’s supposed Bush Derangement Syndrome and the right’s complete hatred of all things Obama is easy:
MOST OF THE LEFT ACTUALLY WAITED UNTIL BUSH DID BAD SHIT BEFORE THEY STARTED LOATHING HIM
Hers is an example:
http://zzpat.tripod.com/cvb/sept_2004/gao_says_scullys_pay_illegal.html
This was the chief actuary for medicare being told to lie about the cost of the Senior Drug Plan. The left was horrible about making not making a big deal about stuff like this. Scully ended up resigning but his boss (Bush) got a free pass.
The list of Bush misdeeds is long and in many cases indiputable (eg. politicization of the Justice Department, handling of Katrina).
Brick Oven Bill
Greenwald’s piece is very revisionist. Core American values are laid out in the Federalist Papers, and codified in the Constitution. Core American values subjugate the federal government to the states, and ultimately the individual.
The ‘torture’ alleged by water boarding three 9-11 players is laughable when compared with our previous engagements with Islamic movements, where we locked the families of enemy combatants in concentration camps, and allowed disease to do its work, depopulating the Philippines by 10%, bringing the conflict to conclusion.
The ‘crackpots’ cited most likely have come to the conclusion that they prefer the concept of living their lives as individuals, responsible for themselves, and not answering to a centralized government of corporate and political insiders.
Obama was lying, as an aside. An amendment excluding non-Citizens from receiving government benefits was rejected.
tc125231
@asiangrrlMN: Krugman is NOT in the club. Why do you think Obama didn’t offer him a job? Only good “serious” folks who helped loot the economy for our Treasury.
jnfr
TPM says Wilson claims $200k in donations this week, which doesn’t match what we’ve turned out for Miller, but is certainly something. We’ll see how it shakes out when the official accounting statements are done.
Davis X. Machina
Why do you think Obama didn’t offer him a job?
Because on numerous past occasions, when asked, he’s said he didn’t want one?
tc125231
@Brick Oven Bill: And exactly why is it that the Federalist papers, a political tool when written, constitute core American vallues?
Oh yeah, because you like what they say. What YOU like MUST be canonical, right?
Several points:
1. If anything from that period is to be considered canonical, it would be the constitution, which was agreed to on a –that painful word –bi-partisan basis. It forbids torture.
2. Why would I think a political tool over 200 years old describes “core” American values. My relatives fought in many wars since they fought in the Revolution. This would include the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.
Don’t THEY get any say in what “core” American values are?
Improve your logic, chump.
Little Dreamer
Hmmm, last I heard, that term “was rejected” means there is NO provision for it in the current proposal.
Go fuck yourself BOB.
tc125231
@Davis X. Machina: Actually, if you read his blog, that is not true. He describes why he didn’t get offered a job in the Clinton administration.
He told them something they didn’t want to hear.
Little Dreamer
I once took a political science class from a right winger who wanted to focus completely on the federalist papers and the Marbury/Madison case. I’m sure he’s a member of the birther and deather groups now. He and I didn’t get along at all, and I had the sheer luck of having the opportunity to do something else more important with that time (tutoring) and decided to retake the class with a much better, less ideologically driven instructor. I’m so glad I did that now.
Davis X. Machina
Krugman’s said, inter alia, on Charlie Rose, talking about Mankiw’s situation working for Bush, that that’s why he would turn down any other offers — he doesn’t want to be put into a situation where he has to say other than what he thinks.
You could ask him just for the sake being able to say you asked him, but that would be just the sort of dingbat kabuki that put Krugman off on working for an administration in the first place.
Kirk Spencer
@Brick Oven Bill: I’m 95% convinced BoB is a spoof despite his webpage I mean, compare this post to some of DougJ’s classics. The rather detailed knowledge of the Phillipines war needed to make partial truths look accurate. (Total deaths were probably close to 10%, but that was against the entire nation which was ~85% Christian. Moro Rebellion – aka Phillipine-American War II – was against Muslims only. So on, so forth.)
Still, I feel it necessary to point out that the Anti-Federalist papers were just as core to American values as the Federalist papers. In fact most of the Bill of Rights are inherent in those documents. Just a point of education.
Bootlegger
@Brick Oven Bill: Which was written first there BOB? Talk about revisionist history.
Oh, and the “we did it once, we should do it again” logic, actually not so logical.
asiangrrlMN
@tc125231: That’s why I tossed the word purportedly in there. Though, I have heard Krugman say he wouldn’t want a job in any administration because he can be more effective from the outside.
Mike E
I realised what’s missing here — The Daily Show and Colbert are still out on vacation.
There isn’t a sock filled with manure that’s large enough to do the job, you know, to smack some dumbasses in the head — that’s a job that only real journalists can do. Come back, Jon and Stephen
kay
Conservatives are angry.
They’re angry about two things: 1. the almost epic failure of the dogma over the last 20 years, as applied, not as they imagined it in those think tanks, and 2. they lost an election.
All the rest is just noise.
They’re having trouble accepting what’s right in front of their noses, but that’s sort of been their historical role.
Gotta DRAG ’em along, kicking and screaming. Any progress we’ve made has been over their objections. Maybe that’s valuable:I don’t know. The more honest members of The Movement admit that’s their role.
When I hear the shrieking it sounds just like really crushing disappointment. The BELIEVED Reagan, and it really didn’t work out, at the end of the day.
It’s isn’t about Obama. It’s about an inability to admit that the dogma, as applied, doesn’t really work as a practical matter.
linda
@ominira:
earlier today between the 15 minutes i had checked, he’d raised over $10,000.
yeah, watching that figure climb is very entertaining. lol.
arguingwithsignposts
@linda: An avg. of $37 per person. That’s pretty good small donor money rolling in.
Cat Lady
@kay:
Yes, this. And, oh, the sheriff’s a niCLANG.
kay
I would have more sympathy with media botching uncovering the WMD scam, if they hadn’t then botched uncovering the credit/finance scam. That one was right in front of their noses, and they have whole divisions and publications and entities dedicated to (ostensibly) giving people enough information to function within the marketplace. Ooops!
You start to believe, rightly, I think, that they give entrenched interests and powerful people a complete pass. It’s hard to pretend this is a level playing field when all the peons, like us, that actually finance these massive blunders get is bad information.
Brick Oven Bill
Core American values predate the Federalist Papers, actually. The Foundation of Core American values is the rejection of autocratic Catholic rule in the Middle Ages during the enlightenment. The tools used to reject this rule were the seven Liberal Arts, namely Grammar, Rhetoric, Logic, Arithmetic, Geometry, Music, and Astronomy. It all centers around the individual, and knowledge.
The Catholic Church sought to silence these Liberal Arts, and burned alive many people seeking change. As, in my opinion, we do not wish as a society to return to a system where autocrats suppress knowledge, and silence critics, perhaps we should celebrate our national crackpots.
People wishing to live under an autocrat can move to Zimbabwe, which is currently run by an autocrat. If you speak out against the autocrat in Zimbabwe, you will likely be shot, or perhaps be burned alive in classic autocratic fashion. This is a lower level of discourse than is typically witnessed in Representative Republics. This is even worse than biting off somebody’s finger.
asiangrrlMN
@kay: You are kinder than I. I give them no quarters in re the WMD fiasco. You see, I have a simple test. If I know it’s a sack of shit, then they should, too. I am not a journo, nor do I pretend to be. Therefore, if I can do their job better than they can–while sitting in front of my computer, no less–then they have no fucking excuse.
Little Dreamer
@Brick Oven Bill:
Last I heard, Copernicus was given a postmortem pardon by the Catholic church, and modern day evangelicals (read Protestants) don’t even agree that the earth is round, let alone more than six thousand years old, rejected as the center of the universe, or formed through a natural phenom called the big bang.
Are you actually defending Astronomy?
different church-lady
Shorter Greenwald: if you’re in the Foreign Policy Community* your own shit don’t stink.
(*Or a staffer for the WaPo)
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@Brick Oven Bill:
Heliocentrism is an Atheist doctrine.
different church-lady
@Brick Oven Bill: Obama said “those who are here illegally”. He did NOT say non-citizens.
I thought you were into details, Bill?
JGabriel
Politico:
Maybe not an exclusive, but if I were the GOP I’d be wishing we hadn’t been so anti-trust — so the feds could come in and break up our increasing monopoly on the crazee(tm).
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slag
If I hear one more time that Obama was lying about illegal immigrants, I’m going to punch a chump: http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1210-Read-the-Bill-Illegal-Immigrants-Are-NOT-Covered.
JGabriel
Brick Oven Bill:
Like the Bush Administration did to CIA agents.
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Little Dreamer
@JGabriel:
Nah, I understand monopolies are desirable to that type of personality, let them have their monopoly. I’m all for it.
Brick Oven Bill
The Catholic Church finally pardoned Galileo in 1992. This was only after the Liberal Art of Astronomy made a mockery of its autocratic position. Human beings do not like to give up power. This is why the nature of government is to grow, and why a free exchange of ideas is so important.
Joe Wilson should be celebrated for speaking his mind which, in this case, was founded in fact.
The ACLU is taking pictures of alleged ‘torturers’ and giving the images to Gitmo detainees, thus passing summary judgment, and outsourcing sentencing. They call this the John Adams project. The ACLU is another autocratic institution, to a greater extent than the Bush Administration.
Punchy
Today is Friday, so all I care about is that Tim F. tells me what beer to purchase and consume.
Beer blog me, bitchez.
drillfork
@asiangrrlMN:
As destructive as our major media is, it’s worth pointing out journalism does still exist. I’m thinking of Taibbi, Jane Mayer, Charlie Savage, Naomi Klein, Marcy Wheeler, among others.
Of course the lack of true reporting becomes excruciatingly evident with a story like corporate America’s misdeeds from the fall of Glass-Steagall on. That went virtually uncovered because it’s a very complex issue that requires actual research to even begin to understand.
So the next time you’re lamenting the insulated, power-worshiping toadies that infest our media, don’t forget that they’re also lazy and almost completely stupid…
mutt
well said, and dittos, AsiangrrlMN.
The point, exactly.
BoB gotta be the Know-It-All guy- the PC guy in those Apple ads- on Stewarts show.
Got him down cold….
Pb
@asiangrrlMN: good call–that’s actually why I got more interested in following politics in the first place: because I didn’t understand the logic in play in that WMD debate, so I dug in enough to find out that there wasn’t any, and by then I was hooked…
The Politico is interesting, it’s like the new face of everything that’s wrong with establishment journalism these days, to such an extent that they can’t see it themselves at all. In that respect they can end up being rather beyond parody, like Red State, but in a less pathetic way.
The Other Steve
Ok, this is a must read…
Did Glenn Beck Rape a Woman in 1990?
Anyway, it’s a whole bunch of circumstantial evidence. Beck lived in the same state, he’d been arrested in 1989 for indecent exposure… and then the whole crying part.
But it’s funny, cause he’s playing the conspiracy game back on Beck in the same way Beck does. :-)
asiangrrlMN
@drillfork: Yes. You are right. I was being lazy myself. I should have clarified my above statement with: traditional media, which means excluding the shrill left.
@mutt: Thanks. I’m tired of the traditional media saying in shock, “Who could have known?”
r€nato
few things get under my skin more than the media compulsion for false equivalency – in this case, the felt need to balance numerous actual, real-world instances of right-wing insanity with the declaration, “Democrats/liberals do it too!”
Uh, no, we don’t by and large. There are far more insane nutters on the right than on the left, and their insane nutters are respected and get attention from the media, while our insane nutters are largely ignored… until some media puke feels the need to buttress their false equivalency bullshit, then they dig up some nobody like Ward Churchill or an anonymous blogger as being the left-wing equivalent of Rush Limbaugh.
tc125231
@asiangrrlMN: Yeah, OK. I think we are saying the same thing. The reason Obama won’t ask him, and the reason why he wouldn’t take on ordinary offer, is that he won’t play ball when the BS gets flung about.
In my mind, the number one requirement for being in the “Club” is a willingness to smile and nod when the BS gets thrown about by the powerful.
That sure as hell is the case in the corporate world, where I can speak from personal knowledge.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@Brick Oven Bill:
I thought the GOP was trying to woo Catholics. Tell me, BOB, should we deport anyone who swears fealty to a Roman Pope? You can’t trust people who claim allegiance to any earthly power other than the American government, can you?
Herd that filthy, Papist, potato-eating rabble back onto the boats whence their great-great-grandparents came from!
tc125231
@Davis X. Machina: Fair. But I don’t think that approach would make him a member of the “Club”.
Bender
Little Dreamer
@Brick Oven Bill:
Free exchange of ideas? I haven’t seen much in the way of ideas, let alone a free exchange of such coming from Republicans for forever.
Government is not about growing, it’s about ensuring that the people in that system are not being neglected. Republicans are about making their wallets and bank accounts grow, and if they were fabled wooden puppets, their noses as well.
Are you not your brothers keeper? Are you so superior that you exclude certain humans from that group you call brothers? How large or small is that group that you would include? What characteristics do they have to manifest for you to include them in your circle?
tc125231
@Brick Oven Bill: I have to point out that you are comparing a flea to a whale. Whatever one’s opinion of the ACLU, it has very little power. Whatever one thinks of the Bush Administration, it had enormous power.
Thus, comparing them in the way you just have constitutes an error of magnitude. This is identified as a must avoid in any discipline for quality improvement. You fix the items that cause 80% of your problems first.
So, have you been attending the Megan McArdle School for teh Creation of Reasoning Disfunction, or what?
r€nato
@Bender: plenty of decent folks – myself included – got bamboozled to some degree by the rush to war with Iraq.
The answer is, vote for more and better Democrats. Ones that actually have a spine and will stand up to the next president who tries to drag this country into an unnecessary war, whether that president is a D or an R.
r€nato
But, they didn’t. Clinton had more or less the same intelligence as Bush/Cheney had to work with, and he chose not to go to war with Iraq despite the urgings of the neocon cabal (which wrote him a letter pleading with him to do so).
What was the difference between the 1990s and 2003? A Republican administration which was hell-bent on going to war with Iraq, which believed military power was the ONLY kind of power America has, and the 9/11 attack to cynically use to manipulate the American people and the media.
tc125231
@Brick Oven Bill: And ehere did you get this information? You do realize that the Constitution was not ratified until the Bill of Rights was included? Do you know why?
Two words amnong many: Star Courts –e.g. Secret executive arrests and detention
So I think we could say that preventing what the Bush Administration did was a core value at the time the Constitution was ratified.
You know, it’s not enough to throw history around like shit, and see what sticks. That just makes you another follower of the mentally disfunctional McArdle system.
Brick Oven Bill
I do not believe most modern Catholics believe that the sun revolves around the earth Scruffy McSnufflepuss. This is because modern Catholics are exposed to the free exchange of ideas, and are allowed to participate in those Liberal Arts of Logic, Rhetoric, and Astronomy.
Galileo was once officially a crackpot. They made him shut up, kneel before them, and then placed him under house arrest.
The ACLU potentially and knowingly sentenced those men to death. The Bush Administration might have outed Valerie, but she then went on to sell a book. Valerie is fine. ACLU types, in my experience, are bitchy little people.
Joe Wilson seems to have the best interests of the American people at heart. He is not a crackpot.
The Other Steve
More on the Glenn Beck Rape charges.
Little Dreamer
@Bender:
Sorry Bender, you lose. Despite Clinton being the person who was dealing with the question of WMD previous to 9/11 – it was 9/11 and the desire to go to war against al Qaeda for retribution that created the need to take advantage of those rumors, so discounting that Clinton didn’t go to war is not correct. You can spell out facts, you don’t get to make the rules. The question about how we got into an unnecessary war didn’t come from Clinton, Clinton didn’t take us on into war.
Cheney is thankful that al Qaeda struck us on 9/11 and he wishes they would do it again, so he can be called on to finish the job he had planned since before Nov. 2000.
tc125231
@kay: Yeah. When I was growing up, I used to hear the same thing from Communists. “Russia isn’t REAL communism.” “China isn’t REAL communism.”
Of course, they could never show me anywhere it had actually worked as planned.
This perfectly describes the death throes of a failed ideology.
DZ
@tc125231:
I always thought that the anti-Federalist papers constituted core American values. LOL
tc125231
@DZ: Indeed. The real point, in my mind, is that neither is canononical. Theyy are political documents, in a place and time. Although, admittedly, written by a better class of politicians than is currently common.
The Constitution is canononical. It forbids torture –and many colonies wouldn’t ratify it until the Bill of Rights was included.
Thus, the Consitution and Bill of Rights have a far better claim to being core values than whatever drivel is leaking out of BOB’s mouth at any given moment.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@Brick Oven Bill:
“I do not believe most modern Catholics believe that the sun revolves around the earth Scruffy McSnufflepuss.”
Prove that it doesn’t.
“This is because modern Catholics are exposed to the free exchange of ideas, and are allowed to participate in those Liberal Arts of Logic, Rhetoric, and Astronomy.”
In other words, they’re deranged far-left moonbats like you.
Tycho Brahe’s system is the only one corroborated by Scripture. Scripture is the highest authority humans can enjoy on matters of scientific inquiry. Heliocentrism is a doctrine for atheists, monkey-fornicating Darwinists, and their Helioleftist enablers in the left-wing revisionist astronomy studies departments.
Little Dreamer
That’s always been true. BOB has always been a tool to confuse debate rather than to clear any misunderstandings.
JGabriel
@Brick Oven Bill:
No thanks to the Bush Administration which outed her.
The projection is strong in this one.
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Bender
The Democrats supported Clinton’s bombing campaigns — acts of war — in Iraq over non-existent WMDs. I saw no evidence of spine, or a curiosity to acquire some kind of evidence of WMD before we started killing people.
DZ
@tc125231:
I agree completely. I was actually trying to reinforce your point although that may have been, perhaps, unclear. The Constitution as amended is what we have, it is all that we have and it is the only definition of core American values.
Little Dreamer
Why would you want to conform a belief to a system of ancient fables filled with hundreds of untruths like thesecontradictions?
Face
Read on another website that CNN’s fucked up reporting on non-story about the Coast Guard somehow–thru a chain of risk I cannot even begin to fathom or make sense of–shut down Regan Int’l Airport.
Conclusion– our gov’t (airports are fed regulated, right?) gets its info and updates from cable fucking news, and makes important security decisions thusly.
Scary fucking shit.
Bender
I’ll repeat:
1) Irrelevant. Democrats thought Iraq had WMDs. Therefore, there is no such thing as “Republican WMD baloney” and “Democrat WMD baloney.” Which was my point. Got it? Come on, losers, I even showed you how this was a stupid line of reasoning, and you still threw it out there.
2) So you really want credit for the Democrats merely keeping in a sanctions regime that killed half a million to a million Iraqis, while keeping Saddam and his sons in power, fat and happy? Really? You think that was some great moral victory for the Compassionate Democrats? Please to explain!
neil
It is.
Little Dreamer
Sorry, I didn’t close quotes on the link.
DZ
@tc125231:
Although, on a personal note, I would prefer a SCOTUS composed of strict constructionist, anti- Federalists
arguingwithsignposts
OT, but there may be hope for the Atlantic: Michael Kinsley hired as digital editor. My first advice is to fire megan mcardle.
Original Lee
@Brick Oven Bill: And I reserve my First Amendment right to celebrate and broadcast my opinion of Joe Wilson as a partisan hack with less self-control than the average 2-year old toddler and the social awareness of a retarded baboon. He gets paid over $100,000 a year to act like a grownup, not to clutch the First Amendment over his head like a binkie and shriek “Wolverines!”
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@Little Dreamer:
“Why would you want to conform a belief to a system of ancient fables filled with hundreds of untruths like thesecontradictions?”
Because it is the Word of God, dictated personally by angels to the individuals writing it. You will notice there are no typos in the Bible. Unlike mortal texts like those available online, say. This is because the angels were there to correct any misspellings the writers may have accidentally made.
The Lord will not stand for spelling errors in His scientific texts.
justinslot
Wait–is there any doubt the current BOB is a spoof? The real dude always linked to his blog.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@Little Dreamer:
“Sorry, I didn’t close quotes on the link.”
That’s alright. No true Christian would follow them. Atheist, Helioleftist sites are not fit for the eyes of those who know the Truth.
Remember, Satan is the prince of lies. He delights in using “science” to plant lies, to trick the unwary and the faithless. “Fossils” are a prime example of this.
kay
@asiangrrlMN:
I didn’t know WMD was a lie, so you’re ahead of me there. That’s a big lie, “imminent threat”. I gave them more credit than that.
I didn’t think Bush’s presidency was going to be a big horror, at the outset. I thought the manner he won was outrageous:I think that SCOTUS decision is shameful, an embarrassing partsian load of crap, in a legal sense, but I thought he was another lock-step lucky-heir dogmatic conservative governor.
I didn’t know he had designs on occupying the whole world.
I didn’t know what I know now: that he is, in a sense, a fanatic.
Little Dreamer
@Scruffy McSnufflepuss:
You gotta be joking. Thanks, that’s the best laugh I’ve had all week (and I’ve had some good ones).
You seriously believe Angels corrected all spelling errors, while leaving hundreds of contradictions completely unfixed? Did it ever occur to you that publishers of the one book that has sold over all others for hundreds of years and has been made available in numerous languages for forever might just have been picked over for errors completely by proofreaders? Hmmmm, your reasoning is hilarious, thanks.
Little Dreamer
@Scruffy McSnufflepuss:
Interesting, you think I’m following Satan and you’re the one who is doing so, but… you wouldn’t know that because you’ve been duped into being caught by a “fisher of men”.
Hahahaha!
Go ahead, drink your savior’s blood, even though blood is forbidden in your precious book.
Bender
Sigh… the above applies to you, too, but I’ll add this:
If Russia’s government sent planes one night that dropped 40 thousand tons of bombs on a few US cities, while US anti-aircraft fire lit up the sky… would that be a war?
If for the next 5 days, Russia’s government fired 40 cruise missiles into New York and Pennsylvania… is that a war?
If over the next month, there were 25 Russian air raids on US cities, and more anti-aircraft fire from US installments… would that be war?
I’ll answer the obvious: Hell, yes, it would be a war. Well, Clinton ordered 10 times the amount of bombings on Iraq in December of 1998 as I mention in that scenario above. “Clinton didn’t take us into war”? Really? Iraq sure thought they were in a war. Muslim groups denounced the acts of war and called for retaliatory attacks on the US. The US pilots getting shot at surely thought they were at war.
See, revisionist history never wins.
Scottofny
@Brick Oven Bill:
KInda took a tangential turn there, didn’t you.
Your high minded description of the enlightened individual hardly applies here. Certainly today’s nay sayers hardly are familiar with logic and their rhetoric is limited to yelling NO! NO! LIAR! LIAR! Raucous disruption betrays a total lack of knowledge of the fine art of disquisition. The blind adherence of the herd to the Limbeckian trope also rules out any notion of individualism. We have had great crackpots in this country who were their own man/woman and developed singularly unique ideas to be defended with logic and reason… Yes, those I will celebrate.
Cheers,
S
Bender
Seriously, are you 12 years old? Your posts read like they’re written from a pink Hello Kitty Sidekick during study hall.
GregB
Jefferson Davis Pawlenty is calling for state nullification of federal law.
Peak wingnut is metastasizing.
-G
Mike G
Via Pharyngula, another entry in the sanctimonious Repig fundamentalist crime wave:
Liberty University Chaplain Faces Drug and Burglary Charges
A Liberty University chaplain is facing drug and burglary charges. Last week, a homeowner caught Scott Ray on surveillance video breaking into a home to steal painkillers. Ray, who is the chaplain for the men’s basketball team and the Director of Convocation, is also suspected in other Campbell County break-ins.
http://www.wlni.com/news/local/liberty-university-chaplain-faces-drug-and-burglary-charges.html
Now if only the rest of the staff could be charged with the greater crime of sowing ignorance and stupidity.
FormerSwingVoter
The trolls have been active lately.
GregB
P.S. Maybe Sarah Palin could inveigh upon the Lord to send down a few angels to work as speech writers.
Her God guided talk is gibberish to me.
-G
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@Little Dreamer:
“You seriously believe Angels corrected all spelling errors, while leaving hundreds of contradictions completely unfixed? Did it ever occur to you that publishers of the one book that has sold over all others for hundreds of years and has been made available in numerous languages for forever might just have been picked over for errors completely by proofreaders? Hmmmm, your reasoning is hilarious, thanks.”
O ye of little faith…
CalD
Ever wonder if the breakdown in respect for political and social institutions lowers the barriers to their misuse? Certainly it encourages cynicism, which contributes to further erosion of civility. I can’t help wondering sometimes if the fact that as a society, we seem so willing to treat anyone with whom we disagree on even relatively trivial matters sometimes with such unmasked hostility and contempt, might have anything to do with people teaching their children manners (or not).
Much as I hate to admit it though, while the Politico may have picked a characteristically boneheaded and self-serving “example” to prove that both sides do it, anyone who thinks the right wing has any monopoly on that sort of behavior never experienced a Democratic primary season up close. And while I happen to think Greenwald has a perfectly valid point in this case, it also bears remembering that it’s not all that easy sometimes to see the line between calling something what it is and forgetting altogether how to respectfully disagree with someone.
The Grand Panjandrum
@Bender:
1. Provide links to reports of these bombings. Make sure to read them because it will help you to understand my next point.
2. Those bombings were a direct response to Iraqi violations of airspace they agreed to at the end of the first Gulf War. Act of war, or not, it was enforcement of an agreed upon no-fly zone. It was usually in response to be our aircraft being “painted” by Iraqi AD and said response was within the rules of engagement authorized at the time.
(Sorry if anyone else made these points but I don’t have time to read throught the entire thread.)
Midnight Marauder
@FormerSwingVoter:
The trolls have been active lately.
Seriously. And more shrill than usual.
kay
@Bender:
Thanks.
All your posts read like a sanctimonious, world-weary lecture from on high.
But, you’re a conservative. What I’ve never understood if is where conservatives get off lecturing anyone, on anything, and yet that’s all they do.
Carry on.
Legalize
“The ACLU is taking pictures of alleged ‘torturers’ and giving the images to Gitmo detainees, thus passing summary judgment, and outsourcing sentencing.”
It’s difficult to enumerate all of the ways in which this statement is laughably incorrect.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@Little Dreamer:
“Interesting, you think I’m following Satan and you’re the one who is doing so, but… you wouldn’t know that because you’ve been duped into being caught by a “fisher of men”.
Hahahaha!
Go ahead, drink your savior’s blood, even though blood is forbidden in your precious book.”
If dinosaurs were real, how come they were never mentioned in the Bible? No Darwinist has ever answered that question successfully.
I will pray for your Hellfire-loving soul.
lamh31
I know it’s not alot, only 1%, but still BWHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
Poll: Joe Wilson Trails Dem Opponent Rob Miller In Wake of “You Lie!” Outburst
bago
If Autocratic is worse than bureaucratic, were does that leave theocratic?
Where does this leave Kratos the alleged god of war?
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@GregB:
“P.S. Maybe Sarah Palin could inveigh upon the Lord to send down a few angels to work as speech writers.
Her God guided talk is gibberish to me.”
It’s only written for the faithful.
arguingwithsignposts
@Scruffy McSnufflepuss:
I’m assuming SMS is a troll, but to answer the question at hand: there’s no mention in a lot of books of the black plague. That doesn’t mean it didn’t exist. Also, it’s a helluva stretch to explain away all those massive fucking bones!
Bender
Nope. I suspect you already know that you’re wrong on your timeline, or you would’ve linked to something, right? It was AFTER Clinton’s bombings that Iraq decided not to respect the no-fly zones.
Read what WJC said on the night of the bombings.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
“Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.
Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.
I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.
Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq’s capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability.”
No mention of the no-fly zones anywhere in the speech, because it wasn’t an issue yet.
drillfork
@Mike G:
On this day, it’s good to remember what Jerry Falwell said after 9-11: Gays’ fault!
Joe Lisboa
Hahaha. So Bender is still masturbating to his “CLINTON DID IT!11!” mantra? Look, man, you blew it. Your ideology blew it. Take it like a man and admit when you’re wrong. And piss off already.
Bender
@kay:
Would it helped if I corrected John and Doug’s silly anti-historical rants with little smiley, winky emoticons?
;-)
Bender
So Bender is still masturbating to his “CLINTON DID IT” mantra?
Please pay closer attention.
Brick Oven Bill
The New York Times: John Adams Project
Both Mr. Romero and Mr. Dratel disputed that there could have been anything illegal about showing photos taken in public to the detainees. “If you get information in the public record, it doesn’t become classified just because the government feels it is embarrassing or that they would prefer you not to show it to anyone,” Mr. Dratel said. “There is no prohibition on gathering public-source information and showing it to your client.”
Joshua Dratel does appear to be a bitchy little person. What possibly could happen if one was to hand images of CIA operatives to Al Qaeda lawyers? You know, the imagery was collected by the ACLU in public. This makes it legal under current law.
I’d steer clear of the ACLU.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@arguingwithsignposts:
“I’m assuming SMS is a troll, but to answer the question at hand: there’s no mention in a lot of books of the black plague. That doesn’t mean it didn’t exist. Also, it’s a helluva stretch to explain away all those massive fucking bones!”
Satan planted them. He’s a master deceiver.
tc125231
@Bender: Actually, I believe the commonly used term, by Administrations of all stripes and politics, for actions like Clinton’s is “police actions.”
In point of fact, Clinto didn’t invade, he didn’t send 130,000 troops for a lomg stay, and he didn’t unseat the existing government by force. You see, those sort of things are usually associated with declared wars.
If you are trying to say that Clinton attempted to modify Iraq’s behavior by war-like acts, you are undoubtedly correct. Reagan and Bush senior also engaged in such police actions. Bush Senior also declared a war on Iraq, you may remember, but for more accurate reasons, and it was conducted more successfully.
Again, you boys need to learn that history isn’t just a bunch a shite you through at the wall to see what sticks. That is the McArdle Patented Process of Disfunctional Reasoning and Disinformation, true.
But it won’t get you any street cred with people who have experience in actual problem solving.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@Brick Oven Bill:
I ain’t taking political advice from unhinged lefties like you. Until you explain to me why Tycho Brahe is wrong, I’m putting you square in the Pelosi camp.
tc125231
@Brick Oven Bill: Well good for you. I’d steer clear of you, if I could.
Feel free to leave. Oh you haven’t? I guess we’ll both just have to get used to people who don’t see the way we do, eh?
Grow up.
Bill E Pilgrim
@Bender:
Clinton had more or less the same intelligence as Bush/Cheney had to work with
Look, argue what you will about Clinton’s foreign policy, but he clearly had more to work with upstairs than those two, especially combined as Bush/Cheney.
Even the relative basic Machiavellian intelligence level of Cheney is almost entirely canceled out by combining it with the cognitive black hole that is George W.
Oh, “intelligence”. Carry on.
tc125231
@Bender: No, it would help if, in fact, you presented an actual discussion of the facts.
arguingwithsignposts
@tc125231:
Might I suggest cleek’s solution. BOB sure does love him some pie. Snuffie and bender might become pie fans too soon.
arguingwithsignposts
@Scruffy McSnufflepuss:
hahahahahahah!
hahahahahaha!
hahahahahaha!
hahahahahahaha!
HA!
TheFountainHead
Damn, Bender, I know I was only in High School at the time, but I must have missed the part where Clinton committed hundreds of thousands of troops and trillions of dollars to a poorly planned and executed occupation of Iraq over some shady intelligence.
My bad.
Bill E Pilgrim
@arguingwithsignposts:
I think Snuffle is pulling your Upagus, however WERE this a troll a better answer might be that the Bible also didn’t mention black holes, quarks, John Stossel, or penicillin. Mainly because such things hadn’t been discovered yet, including digging up all them bones and piecing them together using, what’s that called again, ah yes science.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@Bill E Pilgrim:
Shh. Performing an astronomical experiment with BOB. Stop ruining it!
arguingwithsignposts
@Bill E Pilgrim:
well, i didn’t want to dig into a lot of examples, because teh stupid in that statement was so astounding. But yeah. That fake God bullshit really tweaks me.
arguingwithsignposts
@Scruffy McSnufflepuss:
Sorry about jumping the thread. BOB only talks about pie on my machine.
tc125231
@arguingwithsignposts: Great idea. I wasn’t aware this was available. As I age, I find my tolerance for the intentionally stupid and wrongheaded argument diminishes severely.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@arguingwithsignposts:
I like pie!
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@tc125231:
I used to think BOB was a spoof. But if he is, he’s so deep-cover that it’s not worth assuming he is anymore.
Bender’s not a spoof. Just a flaming asshole.
Bender
@tc125231:
So already on this thread, I’ve had to debunk Tim’s “Republican WMD baloney” nonsense (he somehow ignored that all the big-time Democrats said the same thing at the same time), that Desert Fox happened because of the breach of no-fly zones (exactly wrong), that Clinton really didn’t believe in Iraq’s WMD because he didn’t go to war, (he merely dropped more ordnance on Iraq than the US dropped during WWII and Desert Storm), and that Clinton’s decision to just keep sanctions in place while Saddam was ignoring UN Resolutions was far better than ousting Saddam (remember Albright’s response that half a million dead Iraqi babies was “worth it” line? No, you probably don’t)…
…and you’re lecturing me about a respect for history? Sorry if I can’t hold in the laughter.
BTW, your “police action” dodge is as laughable as it is irrelevant. Tell John Kerry about that one. He always had great things to say about people who called armed conflict “police actions.”
Bender
@TheFountainHead:
We need strawman clean-up on aisle 3, please. Strawman clean-up, Aisle 3.
Bill E Pilgrim
@Scruffy McSnufflepuss: Ah, excuse me.
Your Tycho line was on the nose, BTW.
freelancer
@arguingwithsignposts:
If only I wasn’t on a work machine.
jetan
Scruffy McSnufflepuss would be a lot more fun than Megan McArdle and would probably make more sense on the economy to boot.
JGabriel
WaPo Marketing Executive Resigns After ‘Salons’ Incident:
I guess no one’s in a position to ask Katie to resign…
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bedtimeforbonzo
“The Bush Administration might have outed Valerie, but she then went on to sell a book.”
Speaking as a not-so-practicing Catholic, that is neither enlighted nor compassionate.
bedtimeforbonzo
“The Bush Administration might have outed Valerie, but she then went on to sell a book.”
Speaking as a not-so-practicing Catholic, that is neither enlighted nor compassionate.
James K. Polk, Esq.
@Bender: Where does that buck stop again?
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@jetan:
Well, I did used to write Blogs 4 Brownback. For some reason, that never took off and paid the rent.
JGabriel
The headline at the Huffinton Post reads:
But, oddly, my browser tab shortens it to:
Weird how that happens.
.
James K. Polk, Esq.
WRT to Republican WMD baloney:
“The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa”
Weapons Grade lunchmeat.
arguingwithsignposts
So with Cole out for the weekend, Tim F. relatively non-existent, where’s Anne or DougJ to provide some more recent news for a thread?
kay
@Bender:
This will come as a shock, but I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think of me. I don’t really accept that conservatives are my “betters”.
I stopped reading your post after that really insufferable and dramatic “sigh” that started the post that came after the long, irrelevant Russia hypothetical that I’m pretty sure was less a hypothetical and more a fairly transparent attempt to show us how smart you are. I’m not your mom. I don’t care how smart you think you are.
I think you were the one posting a ridiculous, pulled-out-of-your-ass legal analysis on the “BLACK PANTHER case! ” so you lost some credibility there, with me.
Carry on.
liberal
@Brick Oven Bill:
[emphasis added]
Guess BOB has never heard of the American Civil War.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@liberal:
“Guess BOB has never heard of the American Civil War.”
He never read Article VI of the United States Constitution, either. Or maybe that one was a plant that Commies secretly inserted into all known copies of the Constitution right around the same time they took over our school systems and fluoridated our water.
Tax Analyst
As kay pointed out in #103, Bender prefers to make his arguments through an assumed posture of “world-weariness” as though his half-baked “facts” and cherry-picked story particles were common-knowledge items that clearly and cleanly tie events to his own personally chosen devil, which is apparently Bill Clinton. The problem with assuming such a world-weary stance here is two-fold; he’s WAY too anxious in trying to prove his point so he’s tossing out unsupportable pap every 10 or 15 minutes, which makes this “world-weary” possessor of “the facts” appear “desparate”, an image that does little to support his supposed “world-weariness”. An additional drag to that is that his suppositions can only be connected the way he wants them to by overstretching and overlooking some very big gaps and shortcomings in basic logic.
Try as he may to appear authoritative it appears that the only thing he is convincing anybody of is that he is some sort of dreary, sad, buffoonish dead-ender who just can’t admit that the ideology he worships and subscribes to is little more than a mish-mash of unproven opinions tossed into a dogmatic blender with peevish personal prejudices. In the end all you’re left with is a foamy, fetid, flat brew that is virtually unpalatable to any discerning mind.
Outside of that, I think he’s doing real well here.
burnspbesq
@tc125231:
You do realize that the Constitution was not ratified until the Bill of Rights was included?
Wow. Did you pass American History 1?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
When you go troll-hunting, be sure to bring the right kind of ammo (i.e., actually correct facts).
JGabriel
Reposted @137 and @142 to the next thread for discussion there.
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kay
@JGabriel:
Yeah. That Holder. He’s the same guy conservatives have been smearing as a rabid partisan, right?
TheFountainHead
@Bender: Says the fellow conflating Clinton’s military actions in Iraq with George Bush lying to the American people. Clinton may have lied, but it was about a blowjob, not a war.
Cain
@Bill E Pilgrim:
I think you need to look a little harder, I’m fairly sure that John Stossel is in there. Look for the guy getting slapped around.
cain
burnspbesq
@Bender:
Show up with something meaningful to say, and we’ll pay attention.
Show up with that attitude, and we will politely ask you to GTFO.
kay
@Tax Analyst:
I didn’t respond to his posts about Iraq. I read only three. I stopped at “sigh…”
I’ve read all these “Clinton-did-it-too” arguments in various conservative op-eds, reams of paper, over 5 years, and the David Brook-esque superior tone conservatives adopt with liberals always gets on my nerves.
burnspbesq
@JGabriel:
Say what?
Now I’m pissed.
Holder, you suck.
Brick Oven Bill
Federalist 46.
It has appeared also, that the prepossessions of the people, on whom both will depend, will be more on the side of the State governments, than of the federal government. So far as the disposition of each towards the other may be influenced by these causes, the State governments must clearly have the advantage. But in a distinct and very important point of view, the advantage will lie on the same side. The prepossessions, which the members themselves will carry into the federal government, will generally be favorable to the States; whilst it will rarely happen, that the members of the State governments will carry into the public councils a bias in favor of the general government. A local spirit will infallibly prevail much more in the members of Congress, than a national spirit will prevail in the legislatures of the particular States.
I guess liberal has never heard of the Federalist Papers. The federal government has attempted gain popularity through federal social programs, which might have worked, were they sustainable.
Nice try though.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@Brick Oven Bill:
You’re one to talk, Helioleftist. If America were run properly, heretics and disbelievers like you would burn at the stake. Your petty disagreements with your fellow heretics would not save you from the purifying fires salvaging God’s Holy Nation from your ideological infection.
Repent. The hour is nigh.
kay
@burnspbesq:
Why do you want to pursue conservative hacks from the previous administration on perjury? I don’t even want to pay for it.
Republicans pursued Cisneros for 13 years, and it cost 21 million dollars. They finally wrapped it up in 2003. They were spending 2 million dollars a year.
That was worthwhile. Christ. What a waste.
liberal
@Scruffy McSnufflepuss:
Yeah, doesn’t look like it.
tc125231
@Scruffy McSnufflepuss: You da man.
Tax Analyst
kay @ 155 – Without the phony-assed superior tone it’s just way too easy to detect that there is nothing there. The superior tone provides an annoying and irritating stimulus that provokes comments, thus allowing the “superior” the opportunity to inject more of their half-baked “facts” into the discussion.
If this thread were conducted in a court of law at that point we could just rise and object to this as “Irrelevant and immaterial” and be done with this contemptible blaggard.
“Blaggard”…heh…I love using Pirate Talk now and then. HAR!
bedtimeforbonzo
“I’d steer clear of the ACLU.”
You’ve forgotten already.
Bush Admin = whale.
ACLU = flea.
BoB, surely, you should be able to appreciate the pest-like perseverance of the ACLU.
Bender
@Tax Analyst:
Facts have a “half-baked” bias? If I really cherry-picked anything, you would post it to embarrass me. Face it, you have nothing, because I’ve cherry-picked nothing.
And I can “clearly and cleanly tie events” to Clinton (whose attacks on Iraq I supported) because THAT’S WHAT FREAKING HAPPENED! See how “clear and clean” the truth is? It’s not spin, or rhetoric, or revisionism, or whatever weak drivel you guys practice here. It’s history, it’s what happened, it’s linkable, it’s provable, and you can’t change it — not in the days of the interwebs, at least.
Unsupportable pap? I think I’m the only one who’s posted a link! Witness Mr. “No-Fly Zones” above, and save your condescension for him. If you’ve got a problem, tell me exactly what I posted that was unsupportable, and I’ll prove you wrong again. Don’t just make vague, unsupported accusations and then run away.
Oh, good, I thought you were going to forget to call me a RAAAAAAACIST!
Fact remains: As much as Democrats try to run from history, they were the first to scream (wrongly) that Iraq had WMDs after the Gulf War and they screamed it for 6 years… which makes Tim’s notion of “Republican WMD baloney” factually inaccurate.
kay
@Bender:
At the end of the day, President Bush invaded Iraq. That’s what happened, Bender.
Whether Clinton would have invaded Iraq, or invaded Iraq in a stealthy, piece-meal manner, or whether the impetus to invade Iraq was bipartisan, doesn’t really matter, as historical fact, because President Bush invaded Iraq.
I love how the unitary President theory, especially as it concerns foreign policy, disappears when you’d like to share blame instead of credit. If you want to argue that our policy towards Iraq had a long arc, fine. That isn’t what Tim’s saying, though.
He’s talking about the President that sold the invasion to the public, on imminent threat of WMD, and that was President Bush. That was a sales job, and a scam.
kay
@Bender:
I would ask you to do this: watch the debate on Obama’s war, which is Afghanistan.
Obama’s Vice President is not in agreement with Obama’s (apparent) intent to send more troops. House Democrats, and as of today, Senate Democrats, have indicated they do not plan to support the President. The Senate Democrats announced that today, on 9/11.
Compare the debate we’re going to have on Obama’s war with that we had on Bush’s war. It’s already begun. A real debate. It’s not going to be a cakewalk for President Obama. He’s got members of his own administration who feel they can dissent, and are, not to mention Congressional Democrats. If we escalate, it will be after a debate, and Obama will have to prevail, and he’ll do it without denigrating his opponents, or questioning their patriotism, or running a silly PR effort.
Let me know when President Obama and his Cabinet fan out to the media to demonize the dissenters, on Afghanistan.
Xanthippas
Well, I personally said that he didn’t have them, and even if he did he didn’t have any way to use them on us, and even if he did he really couldn’t do any damage to us, and even if he could do a little damage it certainly wasn’t worth an invasion and 4,000 (and counting) dead American soldiers.
So, let’s argue about that. Cause you know, establishing that Saddam in fact had some WMDs laying around the day after the Persian Gulf war doesn’t automatically make the case for invading Iraq in 2003.
Shawn in ShowMe
Is Scruffy yet another variation of Hat on My Cat? I think so because he’s the smartest poster in the room.
Kirk Spencer
Just a touch of history since the BoB Spoof has pushed the Catholic astronomer button so often.
The following were priests and astronomers – and contemporaries of Galileo:
Orazio Grassi (1583–1654)
Athanasius Kircher (1601-1680)
Christopher Scheiner (1573-1650)
Copernicus was also a priest.
The whole Galileo affair is a lot of fun when you get right down to it. Not least because the real reason he had his little trial was because the book in which he proposed his theory used a not-very-subtle caricature of the pope as the idiot foil for a faux socratic presentation. Kinda stupid, but that was Galileo.
Bottom line, however, is that the Catholic church was quite involved in astronomy. In fact it was involved in most of the sciences; a fact which requires very little digging to establish.
Tax Analyst
Bender, you’re funny – in a shit-head, twisted kind of way. I’ve got no intention of going back-and-forth with you because just about all of what you say is just Simple Shit and just about everybody here knows it and has already told you so in one way or another.
But anyway, just so you know – I don’t debate with delusional shit-heads because there is nothing to be gained from doing so. Attempting to “discuss” anything with you is clearly a complete waste of time. You have your own special little reality and all I can say is “bless you – long may you reign in your divine little kingdom of obstreperous delusion”.
Oh, yeah…and Have A Nice Day.
bago
@Scruffy McSnufflepuss: Hey, I have one of your heliocentrism is an atheist doctrine magnets.
Little Dreamer
@Scruffy McSnufflepuss:
They were:
1. Genesis talks about humans “replenishing” the earth
2. A creature called Leviathan is mentioned in the bible, which sounds to me like it could be a description of any number of creatures that don’t exist today, possibly even a dinosaur.
bago
@Little Dreamer: Or perhaps it was a Kraken?
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@bago:
Don’t forget to pick up a matching g-string!
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@Little Dreamer:
“1. Genesis talks about humans “replenishing” the earth
2. A creature called Leviathan is mentioned in the bible, which sounds to me like it could be a description of any number of creatures that don’t exist today, possibly even a dinosaur.”
Well, if your exegetic analysis is correct, then dinosaurs were real, but Noah didn’t place them in the Ark. Either way, it’s not the place of you, me, or a bunch of dust-busting paleontologists to go prying around a bunch of rocks and saying that this tyrannosaurus rex is 500 kajillion years old, and used to eat wooly mammoths every day for breakfast. I don’t think that sort of nonsense should be taught in schools.
Not with MY wallet!
Little Dreamer
@Scruffy McSnufflepuss:
It’s NOT your wallet. Your taxes that come out of your wallet are being used for building roads and bridges, buying fire engines for volunteer firefighters and such. The teaching of evolution is being paid for by those of us who don’t believe in fairytale skygods who are born on earth and come back from the dead. I’m quite sure though that you’d have no problem asking me to pay for the teaching of biblical creation in schools.
I trust carbon dating much more than I trust biblical “truths”.
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
@Little Dreamer:
I will pray for your deluded, Copernicus-loving, Darwin-the-monkey-fornicator-trusting soul.
Little Dreamer
@Scruffy McSnufflepuss:
I don’t want you praying for me. The idea is an affront. Please don’t continue on that thought process. I don’t need your Luciferian god to save me.