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From the hand job Rick Stengel just gave Glenn Beck:

If you get your information from liberal sources, the crowd numbered about 70,000, many of them greedy racists. If you get your information from conservative sources, the crowd was hundreds of thousands strong, perhaps as many as a million, and the tenor was peaceful and patriotic.

I long for the day when both Time and Newsweek go under. It won’t be long now.

This is even worse than the puff piece the Post did on Beck a few years back.

(h/t Atrios)

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  1. 1.

    Mnemosyne

    I love how he said/she said journalism now extends to actual numbers. Some people say 2+2=4, but opinions differ.

  3. 3.

    Quaker in a Basement

    If you get your information from liberal sources, the crowd numbered about 70,000, many of them greedy racists. If you get your information from conservative sources, the crowd was hundreds of thousands strong, perhaps as many as a million,

    …and if you read Time magazine, you might not find out at all.

  5. 5.

    john

    This reminds me of the axiom that “a lie isn’t a side of a story, it’s just a lie”

    Just because I keep saying that the sky is green over, and over, and over again dosen’t make it anymore true.

  10. 10.

    liberal = fact-based, conservative = ?

    I was hoping this would come up on this blog. I want to know John Cole’s thoughts on the “liberal media” in the past. Was there something to that critique in like 1985? I was like 6 then, and not paying enough attention.

    Because this shit sure seems pretty bad to me.

  11. 11.

    LD50

    What’s interesting about that passage is the lack of any nod to objective reality. It seems to be a belligerent defense of believing whatever makes you feel good, and dismissing any facts that make you uncomfortable.

  12. 12.

    Anne

    Well, it is true that reality has a well-known liberal bias, so I guess “reality” is now considered a “liberal source.”

  13. 13.

    donovong

    Only if the DC Fire Department is a “liberal source.” Fucking idiots.

    There is only one writer at Time for who I have any respect – Tumulty – and I am confident that she can find other work elsewhere once Time dies on the vine.

  16. 16.

    LD50

    Only if the DC Fire Department is a “liberal source.” Fucking idiots.

    Considering that the DC Fire Department no doubt has many black people on it, Republicans would indeed dismiss it as a ‘biased liberal source’.

  17. 17.

    SpotWeld

    About a decade ago, if you asked me which would fail first, Marvel/CD or Time/Nesweek.. I would have probably gone with the outlandish publisher putting out nothing but lurid and repetitive stupidity.

    I would still say that today, but without the mental image of guys in capes.

  18. 18.

    serge

    “I long for the day when both Time and Newsweek go under. It won’t be long now.”

    Hear, hear! I second that ’emotion…’

  19. 19.

    Stefan

    If you get your information from liberal sources, the crowd numbered about 70,000, many of them greedy racists. If you get your information from conservative sources, the crowd was hundreds of thousands strong, perhaps as many as a million, and the tenor was peaceful and patriotic.

    If you get your information from liberal sources, the Nazi Party was full of greedy racists. If you get your information from conservative sources, the Nazi Party stands for faith, the folk and the Fatherland, and its followers are peaceful and patriotic. Who, really, is to judge?

  21. 21.

    bayville

    So like, if Michelle Malkin says the Mets are the best team in baseball this year and DougJ says “that’s ridiculous it’s the Yankees” – we have to consider both opinions to be equally valid?

    What’s the use of keeping statistics, since we are only concerned with opinions anymore.

  23. 23.

    Stefan

    Only if the DC Fire Department is a “liberal source.”

    A publicly funded fire department, running on tax dollars? A socialist fire department that offers its services to all, irrespective of ability to pay, and that will even put out the fires in homes of illegal immigrants? I’d sure as hell call that a liberal source….

  24. 24.

    Ash Can

    So what would Stengel consider an objective/unbiased source? Or does this mean he doesn’t believe such a source exists? Does he think all facts are relative? That reality is a fluid concept?

    This goof must have been a real treat in math class.

  25. 25.

    DougJ

    So like, if Michelle Malkin says the Mets are the best team in baseball this year and DougJ says “that’s ridiculous it’s the Yankees” – we have to consider both opinions to be equally valid?

    If you get your news from liberal sources, the Yankees have won 31 games more than the Mets have won so far this season.

  26. 26.

    JHF

    Time and Newsweek are hideous lumps of decaying mucous. I haven’t looked at either one for years except when trapped in my dentist’s office, and that’s if there aren’t any stupid magazines about vacations in places I can’t afford and she can.

    I thought they were dead already, frankly. The one thing that struck me when I did last look through a copy was how much they reflected television. How much they wrote about teevee, in other words, or what happened on the tube. Not being a teevee or popular culture person, most of what I saw was unintelligible. For a long time I’ve regarded them as just another kind of tabloid, no different in substance from the newspapers at the supermarket checkout counter wailing about UFOs in the White House.

    Apparently I wasn’t wrong. Put me down for a round when both of them go under.

  27. 27.

    Leelee for Obama

    Complete failure! I have always thought Stengel was a weasel, but this is pathetic! I will paraphrase Robin Williams(he was trashing the Enquirer): I lined my cat’s litter box with Time magazine and she wouldn’t shit there. She said it would be redundant.

  29. 29.

    Zifnab

    Hey, yo, Rick Stengel, Imma gonna let you finish, but Megan McArdle is one of the biggest ignorant shmucks of all time. All time.

  31. 31.

    Mnemosyne

    If you get your news from liberal sources, the Yankees have won 31 games more than the Mets have won so far this season.

    But Michelle Malkin’s sources say that the Mets have won 30,000 more games than the Yankees this season! How are we supposed to know who to believe?

    You and your liberal bias.

  34. 34.

    asiangrrlMN

    Man, I don’t know why I am in mah happy place right now, but you guys are cracking me the fuck up. Seriously. According to MichelleMalkinMath, I have busted my gut eleven billionty times today!

    Oh, and corporation-owned print media? Bite my flat ass!

  35. 35.

    Calouste

    Well, it’s obviously the lead up to Times’ November 7th 2012 article^, that if you get your information from liberal sources you think Obama has won the 2012 Presidential elections, but if you get your information from conservative sources, you think that Palin has won it.

    ^just after the Texas Secretary of State has certified that Obama has got 55% of the votes in that state.

  37. 37.

    Zifnab

    @bayville: They begin with “Where to turn for some objective analysis?” and then go through a couple of sources that set the number in the 70-80k range, with one outlier from the “conservative” titled blog at the end of the piece.

    That’s not quite the hard line I was hoping NPR would take, but it’s hardly the, “Crowd size can only be measured when multiplied by a factor determined by your personal party affiliation” nonsense Stengel is yacking.

  40. 40.

    Anne Laurie

    @SpotWeld:

    About a decade ago, if you asked me which would fail first, Marvel/CD or Time/Nesweek.. I would have probably gone with the outlandish publisher putting out nothing but lurid and repetitive stupidity.
    …
    I would still say that today, but without the mental image of guys in capes.

    Yeah, but the Marvel guys have two advantages. First, the Marvel team knows they’re inventing storylines out of pure fantasy. Second, they’re working for an audience with a better grasp of the difference between “how the world actually works” and “what would be really cool”. Possibly because your average twelve-year-old, or twenty-eight-year-old Orthodox Geek, doesn’t have the freedom to pay attention only to those outside inputs that will confirm their dearest personal prejudices.

  43. 43.

    freelancer

    If you get your news from liberal sources, Michael Moore and Al Gore are fat.

    If you get your news from conservative sources, Michael Moore and Al Gore are sockalist FATASS DFHs!

  44. 44.

    asiangrrlMN

    @freelancer: Man, you are on-fire today, my friend. Wanna join the BJ Asian Posse? Yes, I’m recruiting now, so what?

    @Mark S.: I’m not a big Stooges fan, so I would say this thread is (heresy) FUNNIER! As are most of the threads today.

  48. 48.

    calipygian

    Wouldn’t the easiest thing to do be ask someone who was there?

    I was there: the crowd didn’t get across Third St. If there were a million there, the crowd would have been down to the Washington Monument at least.

    Would have been a problem on Saturday since the Black Family Reunion tents on the Mall would have gotten in the way. Not that the Tea Bagger’s Ball even extended THAT far.

  49. 49.

    Makewi

    If you get your news from liberal sources you believe that criticism of Obama’s policy position stems from racism and that use of the term “teabaggers” to identify protesters is in no way contributing to the coarsening of the nations discourse. You believe that the use of Nazi comparisons of the POTUS started under Obama, and that the birthers are crazy but the truthers have a point.

  53. 53.

    Midnight Marauder

    @Makewi:

    If you get your news from liberal sources you believe that criticism of Obama’s policy position stems from racism and that use of the term “teabaggers” to identify protesters is in no way contributing to the coarsening of the nations discourse. You believe that the use of Nazi comparisons of the POTUS started under Obama, and that the birthers are crazy but the truthers have a point.

    You’re doing it wrong.

  54. 54.

    General Winfield Stuck

    @Makewi:

    You believe that the use of Nazi comparisons of the POTUS started under Obama, and that the birthers are crazy but the truthers have a point.

    No we don’t. We believe that the use of Nazi comparisons of the POTUS by members of GOP in the congress and other wingnut leaders as a daily occurence started with Obama./

    And goddamnit stop dropping the lie that mainstream dems supported truther nonsense. It is a lie plain and simple.

  55. 55.

    LD50

    @Roger Moore:

    Conservative = faith based. Their belief system is built around the idea that believing things hard enough makes them true.

    Indeed, since that’s the way religion works, it’s not surprising that one of our political parties now operates on that premise. Just check out any intelligent design/creationist website to see this in vivid color.

  56. 56.

    LD50

    @Roger Moore:

    Conservative = faith based. Their belief system is built around the idea that believing things hard enough makes them true.

    Indeed, since that’s the way religion works, it’s not surprising that one of our political parties now operates on that premise. Just check out any intelligent design/creationist website to see this in vivid color.

  57. 57.

    The Dangerman

    The MSM appears to be bending over backwards and taking it up the ass in an attempt to portray both sides of the story. How can that possibly work in a world where one side pulls shit out of their ass and calls it a rose?

  59. 59.

    DougJ

    Makewi: you don’t seem like a Beck fan or the sort of person who thinks that there were a million teabaggers at the 9/12 festivities. Am I right? If so, then why are you arguing about this?

  60. 60.

    Makewi

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    BS, you just agreed with it – so you are willing to overlook the truth. Like, for instance, Obama appointing a truther to be a part of his administration. Kind of hard to get more mainstream then that. Now your move is to call it a lie. That way you don’t have to think about it.

  63. 63.

    Common Sense

    Proof that there is still value in major media, stolen from the Houston Chronicle:

    [QUOTE][B]MAX’S FRIED-EGG SANDWICH[/B]

    [B]TRUFFLE MAYONNAISE:[/B]

    1/4 cup prepared mayonnaise

    1/2 teaspoon truffle cream

    [B]CHILI BACON:[/B]

    Extra virgin olive oil

    1/2 small onion, diced

    1 small tomato, diced

    1 jalapeño, minced

    1/2 cup habanero salsa

    4 strips bacon, cooked

    Juice of 1 lime

    Leaves from 3 sprigs of cilantro

    [B]SANDWICH:[/B]

    3 eggs

    2 slices of Pugliese bread

    1/4 cup Gruyère

    2 tomato slices

    1 leaf of hydroponic Bibb lettuce

    Salt and freshly ground black pepper, to taste

    [B]FOR THE TRUFFLE MAYONNAISE:[/B]

    Place mayonnaise in a small bowl. Stir in the truffle cream till evenly dispersed. Refrigerate.

    [B]
    FOR THE CHILI BACON:[/B]

    In a hot skillet, place a small amount olive oil and add the onions. Allow the onions to sweat until they start to caramelize. Then add the tomatoes and jalapeño. Cook for one minute. Add the Habanera salsa, bacon and lime juice. Reduce until you have a nice consistency. Remove from heat and add cilantro.

    [B]TO ASSEMBLE SANDWICH:[/B]

    Lightly butter the slices of Pugliese and place them on a hot griddle. After the bread has toasted on one side, flip it and allow it to toast on the other side. Place the eggs on the griddle, making sure not to break the yolk. Once the white of the eggs have set up, turn them over and place the cheese on top of the eggs. Add the chili bacon to top of eggs and cook 30 more seconds.

    Take the slices of toasted Pugliese and liberally spread with truffle mayonnaise. Place the egg and the chili bacon on one slice of bread. Add the tomatoes and lettuce, and season to taste with salt and pepper. Top with the last piece of bread. [/QUOTE]

    I lived on fried egg sandwiches in college. Not quite this complex though.

    vid at the link

  65. 65.

    Midnight Marauder

    @Makewi:

    Now your move is to call it a lie.

    Or point out that you’re just making shit up again and then go back to ignoring you.

  66. 66.

    Martin

    We need to examine the rumour that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.

    If you get your news from conservatives sources, you might be led to believe he didn’t do it. On the other hand…

  68. 68.

    Demo Woman

    @Makewi: Fuck you. You are getting so old. Please point to one comment about the truthers on this blog or just go away. The problem is that you appear but never have links to back up your comments.

  69. 69.

    Makewi

    @DougJ:

    I’m not a Beck fan, and I believe that the pictures would indicate in the neighborhood of hundreds of thousands of protesters.

    I’m arguing it because the earth tends to be flat on both sides of the equation at times, depending on how one is looking at it and which specific source one is getting information from.

    I’m also arguing it because up until January of this year, dissent, or protesting if you wish, was the height of patriotism. Now the same group who claimed that over and over is using sexual imagery to describe other dissenters.

  70. 70.

    General Winfield Stuck

    @Makewi:

    Van JOnes signed a petition, and now he’s gone. That’s it. That;’s all you have. While wingnuts from top to bottom endorse the birther nonsense.

    Weak troll-fu. and embarrassing.

  71. 71.

    The Sheriff's A Ni-

    <@Makeweewee: Ah yes, the good ol’ False Equivalency dodge: One administration member signing onto a Truther petition equals the GOP congresscritters courting Birthers if not embracing Birtherism entirely. Sorry, Cletus, but while you may sleep well at night knowing its A-OK to commune with those who keep their sheets and armbands perfectly clean and white in the closet, it ain’t gonna fly here in the real world. Sucks to be you, dude.

  72. 72.

    asiangrrlMN

    @JK: Awwww, you are so sweet! I will be back womanning the nightshift either tomorrow night or Saturday night. Nice song, by the way. I may have to change my opinion on the Police since you’ve given me two good Police songs!

    @Demo Woman: Agreed. Here is what I believe about W. and the whole truther conspiracy: He and his posse are too fucking incompetent to have pulled off a conspiracy that elaborate. I believe he had intelligensia that he ignored because he’s a stupid fucking idiot. I believe most Dems believe a variant of this.

    Fuck false equivalence. Ah, yes, I am back and in feisty fighting form.

  73. 73.

    Left Coast Tom

    @Mnemosyne:

    But Michelle Malkin’s sources say that the Mets have won 30,000 more games than the Yankees this season! How are we supposed to know who to believe?

    Since they’re just equally valid opinions, average them.

    30,000-31/2=14985.

    Clearly the Mets are better by 14,985 games.

  74. 74.

    Demo Woman

    @Common Sense: I grew up in MA and the perfect fried egg sandwich is on white bread with mayo and a fried egg. Yum.. This is coming from a person who has not bought white bread in thirty years but I still remember the taste.

  75. 75.

    Makewi

    @Demo Woman:

    Provide links, don’t provide links – you already believe what you want to believe so be honest and admit you wouldn’t approach dissenting opinions with an open mind anyway.

  76. 76.

    DougJ

    I’m arguing it because the earth tends to be flat on both sides of the equation at times, depending on how one is looking at it and which specific source one is getting information from.

    Technically, the way equations work, it would have to be flat either on both sides or on neither, FWIW.

  82. 82.

    Demo Woman

    @Makewi: lol

    @General Winfield Stuck: On a lighter note did you read that the Phillies gave the dad whose daughter tossed the ball, not only a new ball but personalized jerseys. What a sweet story and thank you for sharing the link yesterday.

  83. 83.

    geg6

    Funny, but I’ve run in liberal circles for over 30 years. And I was a volunteer for Obama since last February. And I’ve never once met a Truther. Not a one. Guess that means that none of us are really liberals. At least, according to some people.

  84. 84.

    Shawn in ShowMe

    Next Week’s Time Cover Story:

    Was Jimmy Carter’s charge of racism against the extreme right, in fact, racist?

  86. 86.

    General Winfield Stuck

    @Demo Woman:

    On a lighter note did you read that the Phillies gave the dad whose daughter tossed the ball, not only a new ball but personalized jerseys.

    This makes it even sweeter :-)

  88. 88.

    Ash Can

    @Makewi:

    I believe that the pictures would indicate in the neighborhood of hundreds of thousands of protesters.

    Given the bogus photos floating around, how are you sure you’re looking at the right ones? And why do you evidently believe the DC Fire/Emergency crowd control expert was so far off the mark?

  89. 89.

    jwb

    @Makewi: “you already believe what you want to believe so be honest and admit you wouldn’t approach dissenting opinions with an open mind anyway.”

    Talking about yourself again, I see.

  90. 90.

    freelancer

    @Shawn in ShowMe:

    Then we’ll see Joe Wilson a few months from now hosting something completely innocuous like a Xmas special on TV with Dana Carvey and he’ll say “Jimmy Carter doesn’t care about white people“.

    Then the backlash from the networks forces the wingnutosphere to boycott Christmas as it is a “liberal holiday”.

    And the Wingularity arriveth.

  92. 92.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Wanna join the BJ Asian Posse? Yes, I’m recruiting now, so what?

    Now that is cool. Can I join, even if I’m not Asian? If you get your information from conservative sources, I have an original Hattori Hanzo sword.

  94. 94.

    geg6

    I must say that I am puzzled by this idea tha somehow the liberals made up the name “teabaggers” for the Glen Beck ‘Tard Parade when, as I recall, it was the teabaggers themselves who called themselves that. I also recall KO doing an entire segment about it when they started doing it. I’d link to it, but linking doesn’t work on the BlackBerry. But I’m sure it is easily googled or wikied.

  97. 97.

    jwb

    @Makewi: “I’m also arguing it because up until January of this year, dissent, or protesting if you wish, was the height of patriotism.”

    Since you’re so into consistency and all, I imagine that you are spending the time you are not on right-wing sites telling them how inconsistent they are. Or do you privilege us with your presence because just feel that the DFHs need your teaching more?

  98. 98.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @4tehlulz: I was just thinking that both Time and CNN began sliding downhill not long after the CNN-TimeWarner merger about 10-12 years ago. But it’s taken this long for both entities to spin into total irrelevancy.

  99. 99.

    oh really

    I long for the day when both Time and Newsweek go under.

    Over the years, I’ve had direct personal knowledge of a number of articles that have appeared in either Time or Newsweek. Without exception, they all contained serious factual errors that could have been corrected with minimal fact checking.

    The last time I thought either magazine served a useful purpose, I was at a friend’s house looking for something to shove in front of my friend’s cat so he wouldn’t baucus* on the carpet. Time proved barely adequate. An old Look or Life would have been better because of their larger format.

    So, in the end, Time/Newsweek are no better than second choice as barf targets for cats. Sweet.

    *I thought I’d give it a test run as the latest of an uncountable number of synonyms for vomit.

  100. 100.

    Makewi

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Of course it isn’t “all I have”. Your problem is that you believe with all your heart things that are simply not true. I’ll point out Kucinich and McKinney being 2 elected Dems who also were/truthers and your move will be to try to paint them as outside the mainstream or some other such horseshit.

    Face it, you believe what you believe because of your affiliation to your party/ideology. As such, you will always minimize that crazy/evil/immoral on “your side” while thinking the same on the other is the sign of the coming end of days.

  101. 101.

    Catsy

    @asiangrrlMN:

    ‘Coz, you know, if there is one thing we Asians can’t do—it’s cook.

    I must object. I learned all my best dishes from this Japanese girl I dated ten years ago. Therefore all Asians can cook.

  102. 102.

    geg6

    Wait a minute. Cynthia McKinney and Dennis Kucinich are popular, mainstream members of the Democratic Party? They are considered leaders and power brokers to whom the party caters and put out front as faces of the party? Who knew!

  103. 103.

    DougL (frmrly: Conservatively Liberal)

    If you get your information from liberal sources, the crowd numbered about 70,000, many of them greedy racists. If you get your information from conservative sources, the crowd was hundreds of thousands strong, perhaps as many as a million,
     
    …and if you read Time magazine, you might will not find out at all.

    Fix’t.

    This is a perfect example of why getting facts via the MSM is impossible. When you present two sides of an issue and treat the statements by both as ‘fact’ and truthful, you are not reporting and informing, you are intentionally chumming the waters in hope of feeding a frenzied fight between sides. In the MSM, facts get in the way of driving a story in a particular direction. There is no money in reporting mundane factual data that counters an argument, that just ends the argument and kills the ‘story’. It’s better for the MSM to drive the storyline by muddying the data and painting all positions, no matter how extreme or wrong, as fair positions for people to take on an issue.

    They want to keep the merry-go-round spinning but that is one ride I refuse to take. Unfortunately, too many others are enjoying the ride.

  105. 105.

    The Sheriff's A Ni-

    @Makeweewee: For a ‘mainstream’ candidate, please tell the class just how many delegates Presidential aspirant Kucinich has pulled in the past two go-arounds.

    Bonus round: What is Cynthia McKinney’s current party registration?

  106. 106.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    “If you get your information from liberal sources, the crowd numbered about 70,000”

    I wouldn’t have thought that the DC fire department was a “liberal source”.

    “many of them greedy racists”

    What is this world coming to, when someone can’t wave a Confederate battle flag at a black politician without being accused of racism?

  110. 110.

    Joel

    This piece is garbage, of course, but can we be surprised?

    Affluent, independent-minded people, i.e. many liberals and some conservatives, have turned away from the weekly as a source of news. In order to survive, these clowns look to the last vestiges of their audience. That’s how dreck like this gets published.

  112. 112.

    Midnight Marauder

    @Joel:

    This piece is garbage, of course, but can we be surprised?

    Well, if you get your information from liberal sources…

  116. 116.

    Mnemosyne

    Don’t forget, as far as the wingers are concerned, if you think the Bush administration should have maybe taken some kind of action after getting a memo from the CIA a month before to the attacks that said “Bin Laden Determined To Strike Within US” and specified that airplanes were going to be used, that makes you a stone-cold troofer.

  117. 117.

    Anne Laurie

    @Common Sense: Not to go all foodie (since I haven’t the qualifications), but doesn’t the chili-bacon overpower the taste of the truffle cream? Both truffle mayonnaise and chili bacon sound like excellent ideas, even on a fried-egg sandwich, but not on the same fried-egg sandwich…

  118. 118.

    Anne Laurie

    @Demo Woman: You’ve heard about the ‘chstudo’ subs the (Greek) pizza places sell around here? Hamburger, ham or bacon, fried egg, lettuce, onion, mayo, ketchup — and potato chips. Delicious, but you can feel your arteries clogging even before you start eating!

  119. 119.

    Anne Laurie

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Hells yeah! I need all the peeps I can get.

    Can I volunteer my pasty blue-white self on the grounds of (co)owning several hundred anime discs and almost a thousand English-language manga? Plus an addiction to Chinese food, not least because the kitchen politely cuts everything into bite-sized fragments, so I can eat it (with a fork) and still have one hand free for my book…

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