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Early Morning Open Thread – Thrown Under the Bus!

by Anne Laurie|  September 28, 20093:00 am| 77 Comments

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Because I can’t access the BJ Lexicon tonight, I’ll just share this tidbit here: According to the late local TV news, the late William Safire claimed to have introduced the terms “strawman” and “thrown under the bus“ into modern political discourse (along with his catchphrase, “nattering nabobs of negatavism”).

Of course it probably isn’t true, since Safire didn’t claim authorship when he discussed the term in his beloved column on English usage. So I’m left to wonder: why these phrases, now? Why did somebody think it would be a creative honor worth claiming?

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  1. 1.

    jamie

    September 28, 2009 at 3:08 am

    I thought “nattering nabobs of negatavism” was Spiro Agnew. And the term “straw man” has been around since medieval times, it was an anglo-saxon legal concept.

  2. 2.

    The Main Gauche of Mild Reason

    September 28, 2009 at 3:17 am

    Am I the only one that cracks up every time I see that silly Bitsy sidebar ad?

  3. 3.

    JMC in the ATL

    September 28, 2009 at 3:18 am

    Douche: (noun) The kind of “man” that would call Matthew Shepard’s mom a liar to her face in a crowded room.

  4. 4.

    Comrade Kevin

    September 28, 2009 at 3:20 am

    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason:

    Am I the only one that cracks up every time I see that silly Bitsy sidebar ad?

    I love those Little Bitsy ads. Laura W. is a genius with those things.

  5. 5.

    freelancer

    September 28, 2009 at 3:22 am

    Hi all,

    I’m back from ISU family week, and boy don’t I miss the days of shotgunning 5 Natty ice’s and then puking into the dorm sink, but goddamn is it revolting 7 years after the fact.

  6. 6.

    Anne Laurie

    September 28, 2009 at 3:24 am

    I thought “nattering nabobs of negatavism” was Spiro Agnew.

    Agnew said it, but Safire wrote it. His proudest moment as a speechwriter for the Nixon White House.

  7. 7.

    bago

    September 28, 2009 at 3:25 am

    “Yo Banks, give me a funky-ass bass line”

    You can thank Dr. Dre for that one.

  8. 8.

    wasabi gasp

    September 28, 2009 at 4:33 am

    Maybe you’ve been blocked from the lexicon for immortalizing in it a particular gasping gasbag of gabgadgetry. You’re a wise woman, Annie, and should have known better.

  9. 9.

    asiangrrlMN

    September 28, 2009 at 5:19 am

    Would someone please throw me under a bus? Then maybe I can get some REAL fucking sleep.

    kthxbai.

  10. 10.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 28, 2009 at 5:38 am

    It’s almost tempting to watch Morning Joke today just to hear what Buchanan has to say about his Nixon White House colleague.

    On second thought . . . .

  11. 11.

    Xenos

    September 28, 2009 at 5:44 am

    ‘Strawman’ is an old rhetorical or logical description of a type of argumentation. Someone with access to an OED will have to locate that for you.

  12. 12.

    wasabi gasp

    September 28, 2009 at 5:52 am

    And, why are new reports omitting Safire’s parting lament that he will not be able to trace the origins of keep fucking that chicken?

  13. 13.

    wasabi gasp

    September 28, 2009 at 5:55 am

    My parting lament is that I don’t have the edit funkshun.

  14. 14.

    asiangrrlMN

    September 28, 2009 at 5:55 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: Hahahaha, best funny of the day thus far. There is nothing that could induce me to listen to anything that asshole has to say about anybody.

    @wasabi gasp: You, Sir, are comedic gold.

    My parting lament is that I do haz edit funkyshun, so nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah. No, wait. That’s more like my parting taunt.

  15. 15.

    Xenos

    September 28, 2009 at 5:56 am

    FWIW, M-W dates it to 1886, and the American Heritage Dictionary does not give a date or any citation. So maybe this is pretty much of a modern term, although there must be an older latinate term for the concept.

  16. 16.

    calipygian

    September 28, 2009 at 6:10 am

    It would be irresponsible not to speculate that Dan Riehl lures little children into the back of his Chevy Astro van with promises of crack and My Little Ponies for the purposes of his own twisted sexual gratification.

    That post has got to go down in history as one of the most despicable posts ever.

  17. 17.

    asiangrrlMN

    September 28, 2009 at 6:23 am

    @Xenos: Dictionary.com has it originating in 1585 – 1595, but no explanation.

    @calipygian: Words fail me. It’s not often that I am disgusted beyond belief, but this is one of those times. I–yeah, I just can’t.

  18. 18.

    wasabi gasp

    September 28, 2009 at 6:27 am

    @asiangrrlMN: You are too kind. If only I could, I would, repay you by throwing you under a bus.

  19. 19.

    asiangrrlMN

    September 28, 2009 at 6:29 am

    @wasabi gasp: Then we would be even! Thanks for the nice thought.

  20. 20.

    wasabi gasp

    September 28, 2009 at 6:41 am

    Then we would be even!

    The sum of two oddballs.

  21. 21.

    asiangrrlMN

    September 28, 2009 at 6:46 am

    @wasabi gasp: Don’t ever change.

  22. 22.

    Caravelle

    September 28, 2009 at 7:03 am

    Say, remember that story about Oklahoma high-schoolers being completely stupid because they did badly on a citizenship test ? (badly as in, most didn’t know Washington was the first president of the US, 5% thought Obama was)
    I can’t find the post so I’ll comment here…

    FiveThirtyEight has an alternate explanation for the data.

  23. 23.

    A Mom Anon

    September 28, 2009 at 7:06 am

    @calipygian:
    WTF is wrong with Dan Reihl? Seriously,the very first thing that comes into his pointed head is that the census worker was a child predator? Really?

    I think this says alot more about Dan than he realizes. What a twisted,sick fuck.

  24. 24.

    adolphus

    September 28, 2009 at 7:10 am

    Since he wrote as such a language scholar and scold what has always struck me as hugely ironic is that when Safire wrote the text for the plaque on the moon for the moon landing he wrote:

    “HERE MEN FROM THE PLANET EARTH FIRST SET FOOT UPON THE MOON JULY 1969 A.D.WE CAME IN PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND”

    What’s ironic about that is that he is the only human to have written something that has a legitimate shot at being truly immortal and he committed a grammatical error. The A.D. is supposed to go BEFORE the year.

    I may not care, you may not, the aliens who see it a kajillion years from now may not know or care, but he did and I bet it ate at him until the end.

  25. 25.

    Susan

    September 28, 2009 at 7:19 am

    I seriously doubt he introduced strawman. That’s an English Literature term I learned in school years ago. And I mean years ago. I don’t think it would have gotten into English books and the lexicon so fast if Mr. Safire had given us that term back in the 70’s, which was when I was in school.

  26. 26.

    RedKitten

    September 28, 2009 at 7:38 am

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Would someone please throw me under a bus? Then maybe I can get some REAL fucking sleep.

    I hear you, sister…Sam’s lucky he’s cute, ’cause I normally wouldn’t put up with anybody waking me up every 2 hours at night.

  27. 27.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 28, 2009 at 7:49 am

    @adolphus 7:10 am: what I find even more curious is that he didn’t use the CE designation instead of AD. While it may not have been quite as widespread then as it is now, in 1969 it had been in use for a good century among academics, and a universal event such as the moon landing (“Planet Earth” “All Mankind”) surely deserved the not-explicitly-Christian system of designating dates.

    Safire, as an expert on usage and word origins, would have known this. I’m surprised to see A.D. at all in the plaque language given how parochial it seems, especially in the context.

  28. 28.

    p.a.

    September 28, 2009 at 7:50 am

    ‘jump the shark’ derives from a Happy Days episode, but who first used the phrase?

  29. 29.

    R-Jud

    September 28, 2009 at 7:56 am

    @RedKitten:

    Nature makes them cute to stop you from killing them. My mother told me this time and again growing up, and now I realize it is true.

    Signed,

    Mother of a teething infant

  30. 30.

    adolphus

    September 28, 2009 at 7:59 am

    @SiubhanDuinne 7:49

    My understanding is that was a deliberate decision to put God and religion into the plaque to distinguish the US from the godless commies and the godless DFH’s.

  31. 31.

    canuckistani

    September 28, 2009 at 8:03 am

    the late William Safire claimed to have introduced the terms “strawman” and “thrown under the bus“

    Personally, I believe that really is the greatest thing he did with his life. And therein lies the tragedy.

  32. 32.

    mrak

    September 28, 2009 at 8:05 am

    According to the preliminary NYT report on his death, Safire analyzed the history of “strawman” and “under the bus” in his column. He didn’t take credit for coining them.

    Your local news got it wrong. If they’re anything like our local news, it’s OK. That’s their job.

  33. 33.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 28, 2009 at 8:13 am

    @adolphus 7:59 am

    I expect you’re right. Sigh. I was very much around in those days but it’s easy to forget just how insidiously and thoroughly the Cold War affected the entire culture. I lived in NYC at the time and remember demonstrations because the Bolshoi Ballet (or maybe the Kirov?) was coming to the USA on a cultural exchange program. (“Take your Rooskie hands off of my Tchaikovsky ballets!”)

  34. 34.

    gnomedad

    September 28, 2009 at 8:31 am

    @canuckistani:

    the late William Safire claimed to have introduced the terms “strawman” and “thrown under the bus“

    “Strawman”? No way.

  35. 35.

    SpotWeld

    September 28, 2009 at 8:44 am

    All I know is that is rather suspicious that “Obama Biden” is an anagram for “Media Nabob”

  36. 36.

    linda

    September 28, 2009 at 8:45 am

    “I know I’ll die in here,” Arkin told Gilson not long ago. “In China, at least I would have a trial and sentence.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/27/AR2009092703076.html

  37. 37.

    Roger Moore

    September 28, 2009 at 8:46 am

    Thrown under the bus– abandoned for reasons of expediency, usually to being roasted by the media. Being thrown under the bus is reserved for people who were on the bus- i.e. closely allied to the thrower- to start with. Similar to the older saying “thrown to the wolves”. See also “slap in the face”.

  38. 38.

    Brick Oven Bill

    September 28, 2009 at 8:56 am

    After a long day of snowshoeing and wolf-watching, who would not look forward to steeping their teabag with April of the North Woods?

    Interesting note: in areas of large scale forced integration of populations granted birthright legal benefits by the federal government, the same legal benefits which are denied to the indigenous population because of their race, the numbers of Glenn Beck 912ers is high. There are over 1000 in a single group in Cincinnati.

    In contrast, there are zero 912ers in Fargo, North Dakota and twenty seven in Minneapolis. In North Florida, there are around five hundred. Here is Amanda.

    “And so iron will be mingled with silver, and brass with gold, and hence there will arise dissimilarity and inequality and irregularity, which always and in all places are causes of hatred and war.”
    –Socrates

    This is why Ted Kennedy housed his family in a compound on six acres of Cape Cod waterfront. He desired similarity, equality, and regularity for his children. Concord for the Kennedys, Discord for the Clintons.

    It didn’t work out too well though for Ted’s legacy. Pat smashed his Ford Mustang while drunk into the Capitol, telling the police that he was showing up for a vote. He was, of course, ushered away by senior members of the Capitol Police, not given a breathalyzer, and not charged, to avoid Discord for the Kennedys.

    In contrast, Bill Clinton has the $100 million Uranium deal in Russia, and with one call, could have the ‘action flick chick’ to the left on his private plane. Bill would not be caught dead in a Ford Mustang.

    This is yet another example of the difference between Artificial Law, and Natural Law. This can also be categorized under the effects of excessive nurture. A little Discord now and then is a healthy thing for individuals, and for Nations.

  39. 39.

    burnspbesq

    September 28, 2009 at 9:04 am

    Another incomprehensible column from Douthat this morning. How does someone who can’t organize ideas into a coherent message keep a job in punditry?

    Yeah, I guess that is a rhetorical question.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/28/opinion/28douthat.html

  40. 40.

    Ash Can

    September 28, 2009 at 9:10 am

    @calipygian: Seriously, doesn’t this open him up to a libel charge? I know we’ve discussed in this forum how difficult it is to bring defamation charges and make them stick, but William Starkman wasn’t a politician. I can’t imagine his next of kin will be in any way accepting of this.

  41. 41.

    Chief

    September 28, 2009 at 9:14 am

    Please post a link to the BJ Lexicon.

  42. 42.

    burnspbesq

    September 28, 2009 at 9:16 am

    @Ash Can:

    Apparently not, unless the law has changed substantially since John Dean wrote this piece in 2004.

    http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20040312.html

  43. 43.

    AkaDad

    September 28, 2009 at 9:17 am

    Some people say Dan Riehl is an unofficial member of NAMBLA.

  44. 44.

    dr. luba

    September 28, 2009 at 9:18 am

    @calipygian: There’s an awful lot of information on the Internet suggesting that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl back in the 1990s. I’m not suggesting that Dan Riehl was involved in this horrible crime but I can’t understand why he hasn’t denied it. It certainly raises suspicions.

    (Best comment on Riehl’s site. The man is despicable.)

  45. 45.

    Jay Schiavone

    September 28, 2009 at 9:25 am

    …he committed a grammatical error.
    Not to natter, but it appears, rather, that he committed a stylistic error.
    Also, I believe Safire took credit for the phrase Smoke and Mirrors, which he introduced as Blue Smoke and Mirrors.

  46. 46.

    bob h

    September 28, 2009 at 9:25 am

    The sad fact is that Safire, like William Kristol, misspent his intelligence and ability on causes that damaged our nation.

  47. 47.

    Jay Schiavone

    September 28, 2009 at 9:29 am

    Also, I believe he was the first to use the phrase, Put Some Stank on It!

  48. 48.

    null pointer exception

    September 28, 2009 at 9:32 am

    @calipygian: I am going to go ahead and speculate that Riehl is in fact a pedophile. And I am going to do that right on the sidewiki of his blog.

  49. 49.

    AkaDad

    September 28, 2009 at 9:37 am

    I nominate Dan Riehl for a Douchebag of the Year award.

  50. 50.

    eastriver

    September 28, 2009 at 9:38 am

    Your local news station misread the original release regarding Safire’s death. It said that Safire explained the derivation and etymology of such phrases as “strawman”. Someone wasn’t, ironically, reading for comprehension.

  51. 51.

    noncarborundum

    September 28, 2009 at 9:39 am

    Just for the record, Safire could spell. It’s “nattering nabobs of negativism.”

  52. 52.

    Shell

    September 28, 2009 at 9:40 am

    ‘Thrown under the bus.” He must be pleased he coined a phrase that’s 30% of the dialogue on ‘Top Chef.”

  53. 53.

    Punchy

    September 28, 2009 at 9:46 am

    No idea who William Safire is, and dont really care. My Bears, Hawkeyes, and Jayhawks won. With 106 yards recieving tonite, Steve Smith wins me another fantasy week. Life is good.

  54. 54.

    Steeplejack

    September 28, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Copyeditor pro tip: It should be “straw man,” not “strawman,” and I hope it goes into the Juice lexicon that way.

  55. 55.

    ed

    September 28, 2009 at 9:55 am

    Why do you call the WaPo the “Daily Kaplan”? Don’t get that one.

  56. 56.

    Xenos

    September 28, 2009 at 9:58 am

    @Brick Oven Bill:

    Here is Amanda.

    In the old days the Birchers would look for Reds under the beds. Now they look up into the trees for liberals, who they understand to resemble sloths.

  57. 57.

    Steeplejack

    September 28, 2009 at 9:59 am

    Personally, I doubt whether Safire claimed to have invented those phrases, or even to have popularized them. His politics aside, he was a scrupulous and interesting etymologist. I always enjoyed reading his “On Language” column.

    As for “straw man,” the Wikipedia entry has an apocryphal story that “originated with men who stood outside of courthouses with a straw in their shoe in order to indicate their willingness to be a false witness.” That sounds a little farfetched to me. It seems more likely that it comes from straw figures created and then “killed” in various folk festivals.

    Which I had access to the OED on line. That almost always includes a citation of the earliest known use of the word or phrase.

  58. 58.

    eastriver

    September 28, 2009 at 10:07 am

    Steeplejack: Go buy the damn book instead of wishing and whining that you can’t get it for free.

  59. 59.

    Xenos

    September 28, 2009 at 10:14 am

    Damn people, don’t make me go to the library!

    @eastriver: Ha!

  60. 60.

    Steeplejack

    September 28, 2009 at 10:35 am

    @eastriver:

    I can’t tell if you’re going for humor or crabby in your comment.

    Anyway, if I could afford it, I would cheerfully pay for the on-line subscription. Used to own the print edition of the OED, but it was lost in the terrible fire of ’02.

  61. 61.

    gonzone

    September 28, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Found a typo:

    It’s Saffliar, not Safire.

  62. 62.

    qingl78

    September 28, 2009 at 10:56 am

    the local tv station probably read the obit from the new york times where they said that in his column On Language, he explored where the phrases “strawman” and “thrown under the bus” came from but transcribed it as he invented the phrases.

  63. 63.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    September 28, 2009 at 11:01 am

    @R-Jud:

    Nature makes them cute to stop you from killing them. My mother told me this time and again growing up, and now I realize it is true.

    When my kids were that age, I used to say that the reason why small children take naps is that in the prior evolutionary history of our species the children that didn’t take naps were left out alone on a hillside for the wolves to eat.

  64. 64.

    Brachiator

    September 28, 2009 at 11:02 am

    Lucy in the Sky, rest in peace

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216660/Lucy-In-The-Sky-With-Diamonds-Lucy-ODonnell-inspiration-dies-battling-disease.html

    The woman who inspired the classic Beatles song Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds, has died aged 46, a charity said today.

    The song featured on the ground-breaking 1967 album Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band.
    …
    John Lennon’s elder son Julian said it was inspired by a picture he drew of his classmate Lucy O’Donnell when they were at a nursery school in Weybridge, Surrey, in 1966.
    …
    Julian said he took the picture home and showed it to his father, explaining: ‘It’s Lucy in the sky with diamonds.’
    …
    The former classmates resumed their friendship in recent months when Lennon heard that Lucy, who was married to Ross Vodden and lived in Surbiton, Surrey, had become ill with lupus.

  65. 65.

    SGEW

    September 28, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Interestingly, my OED does not have an entry for “strawman” “straw-man,” or “straw man.” “Strawless,” then straight to “strawnge” (obs.). So no help there.

  66. 66.

    Xanthippas

    September 28, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Look, all I want to know is…who is Action Flick Chick, and why should I go to her website? I mean, other than the obvious reasons.

  67. 67.

    R-Jud

    September 28, 2009 at 11:55 am

    @ThatLeftTurnInABQ:

    When my kids were that age, I used to say that the reason why small children take naps is that in the prior evolutionary history of our species the children that didn’t take naps were left out alone on a hillside for the wolves to eat.

    Hang on, I’ve almost got that copied down: “for the… wolves… to… eat.” Super. Cheers. That’ll come in handy when she can understand what I’m saying to her beyond “Milk?” “Ow!” and “Cat!”

  68. 68.

    burnspbesq

    September 28, 2009 at 11:56 am

    @ed:

    The Washington Post Co. also owns Kaplan, the test prep and educational services business. Kaplan is the only part of the company that is consistently profitable, thereby making WaPo and Newsweek possible. If I were a shareholder, I’d be pissed about management throwing good money down the sewer.

  69. 69.

    Brachiator

    September 28, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Personally, I doubt whether Safire claimed to have invented those phrases, or even to have popularized them.

    Makes sense. One thing that is clear from the Wiki and other references is that the concept of a straw man has been around for a long time, and has been referred to in legal texts.

    answers.com notes:

    http://www.answers.com/topic/straw-man

    The term is also sometimes referred to in commercial and property contexts when a transfer is made to a third party, the straw man [person], simply for the purpose of retransfering to the transferor in order to accomplish some purpose not otherwise permitted. Thus, if a covenant running with the land must be included in the deed in the jurisdiction, such a covenant can be established subsequently by conveying the property to a straw man [person] and obtaining from this person a new grant with the desired convenant now in the deed.

    The origins of the term are unclear; one common (folk) etymology given is that it originated with men who stood outside of courthouses with a straw in their shoe in order to indicate their willingness to be a false witness. Another is that a man made of straw, such as those used in military training, is easy to attack. Attacking a straw man can give the illusion of a strong attack or good argument. In the UK, it is sometimes called Aunt Sally, with reference to a traditional fairground game.

    And for “Aunt Sally,”

    http://www.answers.com/topic/aunt-sally

    Aunt Sally is a traditional throwing game. The term is often used metaphorically to mean something that is a target for criticism. In particular, referring to the fairground origins, an Aunt Sally would be “set up” deliberately to be subsequently “knocked down”, usually by the same person who set the person up.

    And, as for “throw under the bus,” Wiki has this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throw_under_the_bus

    In Septuagenarian Stew (The Life of a Bum), published in 1990, the Charles Bukowski character Harry pushed his friend Monk in front of a bus, and then stole Monk’s wallet while Monk lay unconscious and probably dying in the street. After taking the wallet, Harry went directly to a bar and, using Monk’s money, bought himself two double whiskeys. Later, Harry went to the Groton Steak House and, again using Monk’s money, bought two beers and two Porterhouse steaks with fries (“go easy on the grease”).
    …
    Another early use is attributed by the Double-Tongued Dictionaryto a 1991 article in the Colorado Springs Gazette Telegraph.

  70. 70.

    Brachiator

    September 28, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    @SGEW:

    Interestingly, my OED does not have an entry for “strawman” “straw-man,” or “straw man.” “Strawless,” then straight to “strawnge” (obs.). So no help there.

    There is a reference to “man of straw” going back to 1898.

    http://www.bartleby.com/81/10919.html

    E. Cobham Brewer 1810–1897. Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. 1898.

    Man of Straw (A). A person without capital. It used to be customary for a number of worthless fellows to loiter about our law-courts to become false witness or surety for anyone who would buy their services; their badge was a straw in their shoes

    I had another comment on this, but it is oddly in moderation. This comment may be in moderation, too. The ways of WordPress are mysterious.

  71. 71.

    SGEW

    September 28, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    @Brachiator: I think I’ve heard that before: I vaguely remember it being mentioned in Stephenson’s The Baroque Cycle or some other historical fiction novel I’ve read . . . or possibly some other random input from who knows where. So many useless etymology facts! And only limited brain space for them all.

  72. 72.

    spudgun

    September 28, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    @burnspbesq: Should be an entry in the BJ dictionary then, for sure…

  73. 73.

    asiangrrlMN

    September 28, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    @spudgun: It is. Under Kaplan Daily:

    Kaplan Daily – The Washington Post, so named because Kaplan is the money-making arm of the Graham family business empire.

    OK. They could expand a bit on it, but it’s there.

  74. 74.

    ed

    September 28, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    @spudgun: It is. Under Kaplan Daily:

    Ah, so it is. Missed it somehow. Carry on.

    And thanks…

  75. 75.

    BillCinSD

    September 28, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    @Jay Schiavone: That was Jimmy Breslin with Mirrors and Blue Smoke.

  76. 76.

    J. A. Baker

    September 28, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    We should probably have a definition for the various “Derangement Syndromes” that Charles Krauthammer (directly or indirectly) loosed upon the world:

    – Bush Derangement Syndrome
    – Obama Derangement Syndrome
    – Palin Derangement Syndrome
    – [Insert controversial political figure here] Derangement Syndrome

  77. 77.

    BLT

    September 28, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    @Xanthippas: Look, all I want to know is…who is Action Flick Chick, and why should I go to her website? I mean, other than the obvious reasons.

    Action Flick Chick at actionflickchick.com reviews action and horror movies, interviews celebs, did convention coverage for G4TV. She has about 27,000 followers on twitter who like her insights and spunk.

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