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Late Night OT (Steve Gilliard Memorial Ed.)

by Anne Laurie|  October 11, 200910:57 pm| 157 Comments

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Fuck the Fucking Yankees.

That is all.

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  1. 1.

    gbear

    October 11, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    God bless our MN Twins, every one.

    sniffle

  2. 2.

    Soprano2

    October 11, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    Could be worse, hun – you could be a Cards fan. *sniffle*

  3. 3.

    TenguPhule

    October 11, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    Fuck the Fucking Yankees.

    Don’t worry, it’s not gay as long as the balls don’t touch.

  4. 4.

    freelancer (itouch)

    October 11, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    Is there anyone who isn’t in the new star trek movie?

  5. 5.

    JK

    October 11, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    @freelancer (itouch):

    greed drives you nuts?! Brother, this is America. We took local p2p corruption and institutionalized it. Baseball’s flawed.

    Baseball is one of the great inventions of mankind, so you better believe it drives me nuts to see the greatest sport being degraded and ruined by greedy owners and greedy players.

    Any system that allows a team or teams to buy a playoff berth year after year, until the sun goes nova, is sleazy, corrupt, and stench-ridden. The NY Yankees’ enormous financial resources enable them to always outbid any team for the best free agents and absorb $30 – $40 million for players who turn out to be a bust. Given their huge financial advantage, the Yankees are a lock to make the playoffs every year until the end of mankind.

    What drives me nuts is that the solution to this rotten system is staring everyone in the face and greed prevents it from being implemented. Baseball needs a SALARY CAP. If a salary cap is good enough for football, basketball, and hockey, it’s good enough for baseball. Contrary to the delusions of Sports Illustrated writer Jon Heyman, a salary cap is not communism. I’m very confident that Roger Goodell, David Stern, and Gary Bettman don’t have shrines extolling the virtues of Karl Marx.

    The one constant through all the years, freelancer (itouch), has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it’s a part of our past, freelancer (itouch). It reminds us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh… people will come Freelancer (itouch). People will most definitely come.

    God Bless Baseball and Fuck Those Goddamn Motherfucking NY Yankees

  6. 6.

    PaminBB

    October 11, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    I miss Steve. Thanks for the reminder.

  7. 7.

    The Dangerman

    October 11, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    Don’t worry about the Yankees; I think the Angels will beat them. For some reason, a Freeway Series seems inevitable (as well as freeway gridlock the LA area hasn’t seen in … well, ever).

    Then again, for good measure, FUCK THE FUCKING YANKEES. Feels kinda good.

  8. 8.

    danimal

    October 11, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    Doncha worry, the Angels’ll take ’em out.

  9. 9.

    preston

    October 11, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    Yep, it’s that Yankee payroll that caused Nick Punto to forget how to run the bases.

  10. 10.

    freelancer (itouch)

    October 11, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    @JK:

    Bravo jk. And you are right. Without a doubt. Nice touch with the James Earl jones speech.

    And you were right about mad men. The first 3 eps so far are awesome.

  11. 11.

    Dan L

    October 11, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Like all good hearted people everywhere, I despise the Yankees. But a salary cap doesn’t make things more competitive, it just allows the greedy owners to keep more of their money while fielding mediocre teams. Baseball doesn’t need a cap, it needs a minimum salary requirement.

  12. 12.

    MikeJ

    October 11, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    Thank gopod the Sox are back to the Sox I know. When I lived in Boston, the Red Sox would get your hopes up and then lose. People who have lived there since they won the series have told me the fans now don’t expect failure, they expect winning. This is *wrong* for a Red Sox fan. Today’s loss may steer the fans back on the straight and narrow.

  13. 13.

    JK

    October 11, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    @freelancer (itouch):

    I love that speech from Field of Dreams.

    I wish the owners and players’ union had the same reverence and respect for baseball as a fictional character.

    I don’t recall which baseball team is your favoite. Which one is it?

    Tonight’s episode of Mad Men was one of the best of the series so far. Lots of good conflicts.

  14. 14.

    Arguingwithsignposts - ipod touchs

    October 11, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Yes, f the yanks, although I can’t be too sad since my fantasy football team kicked ass.

  15. 15.

    gwangung

    October 11, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    Meh.

    Salary caps DO NOTHING for competitiveness. Soft salary caps lead to the same teams winning; hard salary caps lead to constant roster turnover.

    Baseball, without a cap, has done pretty well in having a variety of teams win the World Series. And, frankly, I think a sport profits overall by having one team be a perennial contender–somebody gets to be the perpetual villain.

    I’m perfectly fine with having the Yankees be the bad guys forever.

  16. 16.

    bvac

    October 11, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    I had a dream last night that Obama made a joint appearance with George W. Bush to announce a bipartisan agreement to fully legalize torture by the CIA, and to grant blanket amnesty to those who carried it out in the past. It was very surreal yet plausible. Can you guys make the Balloon Juice banner text link back to the site? I find it much more convenient than clicking refresh, for some reason.

  17. 17.

    JK

    October 11, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Anne Laurie ,

    What’s up with Fuck the Fucking Yankees?

    Don’t get me wrong. I wholeheartedly endorse the statement, but I thought you weren’t a baseball fan. I thought you weren’t a fan of sports in general. I could have sworn that you once wrote you didn’t care for sports.

  18. 18.

    freelancer (itouch)

    October 11, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    @JK:

    Fav teams: red sox, orioles, and cards.

  19. 19.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 11, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Yankees suck. Twins sucked more. That is all for tonight. asiangrrlMN out.

  20. 20.

    JK

    October 11, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    I’m sorry your Twins lost. I hope they get the chance to repay the Yankees.

  21. 21.

    General Winfield Stuck

    October 11, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    Normally, I’m a baseball fanatic. Even when my Reds end up in next to last place, or there abouts, for the last decade. But not this year for some reason. Maybe too much politics or something, but it just seems like things are more serious than they used to be. Like we’re all standing at a crossroads and who knows which way we will go. Just can’t hardly take my eyes off that for sports.

    I will say the one good thing about the Yankees getting to the World Series, if they do, I will become interested for sure to root agin them with abandon.

  22. 22.

    Brachiator

    October 11, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    @bvac:

    Can you guys make the Balloon Juice banner text link back to the site? I find it much more convenient than clicking refresh, for some reason.

    You can click on “Consistently Wrong…”

  23. 23.

    Mojotron

    October 11, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    I used to simply hate the Yankees, but after reading this I loathe them. I want to go to the new stadium just to heckle the people in the Legends seats.

  24. 24.

    Keith G

    October 11, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    Hard to believe that its been over two years since I was last able to laugh out loud at Steve’s writing. He had me from “hello.”

  25. 25.

    skippy

    October 11, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

    i live in los angeles. freeway series, anyone?

  26. 26.

    wlrube

    October 11, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    As a Giants fan, all I can hope is that the Phillies beat the Rockies. Dodgers/Rox in the NLCS on top of Angels/Yankees in the ALCS would be too fucking much.

  27. 27.

    General Winfield Stuck

    October 11, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    @JK:

    I think it’s a law somewhere, or maybe an internet tradition that you don’t have to be a sports fan to hate the Yankees. It’s just the proper thing to do for any patriotic American. And also the Cowboy’s. Too, yes/.

  28. 28.

    JK

    October 11, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    @Mojotron:

    Thanks for that link. The wretched excess of the NY Yankees knows no limits.

    It’s time for the Los Angeles, Anaheim, or California Angels to send the Yankees to the showers.

    Let’s Go Angels.

  29. 29.

    Common Sense

    October 11, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    You guys are dangerously naive if you think a salary cap will fix baseball. The problem with MLB is half the owners are willing to handicap their teams since they can take money from the very few wealthy ones willing to pay. A salary cap won’t change that — the Pirates still won’t be going after Sabathia.

  30. 30.

    ricky

    October 11, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    Today Barak Obama has added one more month of peaceful freedom from attack on our homeland by Islamofacists. He surpassed the record George Bush established in his first term on September 12, 2009, the day of the Glenn Beck rallies.

    Let’s hope it continues.

  31. 31.

    Bostondreams

    October 11, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    Preach it, sister.

    (wanders off muttering about freaking radio guys who point out a post season scoreless innings streak a minute before the ace closer blows the bloody game and said streak in inexplicable fashion).

  32. 32.

    Cat Lady

    October 11, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    @ Anne Laurie

    You stole my line.

  33. 33.

    phillip anderson

    October 11, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    word the fuck up.

  34. 34.

    Bostondreams

    October 11, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    @MikeJ:

    Mike, speaking as a life long Red Sox fan, I say this with all affection: Screw. You.

    That is all.

  35. 35.

    General Winfield Stuck

    October 11, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    @ricky:

    He surpassed the record George Bush established in his first term on September 12, 2009, the day of the Glenn Beck rallies.

    Why do you hate America!

  36. 36.

    bvac

    October 11, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    @Brachiator: Noted.

  37. 37.

    NYliberal

    October 11, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Fuck the Fucking Yankees. That is all.

    Ha ha…The irrational hatred, fear, jealousy and whining displayed here reminds me of tea baggers at a town hall meeting.

  38. 38.

    Cat Lady

    October 11, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    @JK:

    Best lines from Field of Dreams:

    “So what do you want?”

    “I want them to stop looking to me for answers.
    Begging me to speak again, write again, be a leader.
    I want them to start thinking for themselves…
    And I want my privacy.”

    “No, what do you want?”

    “Oh, dog and a beer.”

  39. 39.

    Martin

    October 11, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    I have a new idea.

    Every year a poll is taken only by season ticket holders of the various teams. Only the most committed fans may participate. The poll is to vote one team out of the majors to go back to the minors. The winning team in the minors automatically gets promoted to the majors.

    I think this would do the job.

  40. 40.

    ricky

    October 11, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Why? Major market teams dominate the playoffs and you have to ask why? Kool Aid shortage.

  41. 41.

    Morbo

    October 11, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    @Common Sense: Indeed. All a salary cap would mean is less money to the players and more for the owners.

  42. 42.

    Common Sense

    October 11, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    Why is it that Hollywood is seemingly incapable of making a truly great football movie? Brian’s Song is probably the best, and it pales in comparison to Field Of Dreams, Bull Durham, The Natural, Bang The Drum Slowly, etc. The only others I can think of would be Rudy and Friday Night Lights. I hated Remember the Titans — I saw Hoosiers already.

    The only sport that translates as well to Hollywood, for whatever reason, is boxing. Probably the best sport subject for movies ever (Raging Bull, Rocky, On The Waterfront). When We Were Kings was an absolutely stellar movie and very highly recommended.

  43. 43.

    ricky

    October 11, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    @skippy:

    i live in los angeles. freeway series, anyone?

    The last time a major fault like this erupted in the playoff system the Creator sent a warning to bipedal baseball fans
    by crushing a number of those freeways. This time the Creator may be pissed the warning was not fully understood.

  44. 44.

    Ash

    October 11, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    This was one of the suckiest fucking sports days ever.

  45. 45.

    JK

    October 11, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    @ricky:

    Excellent point. Fortunately, you live in the real world. Unfortunately, too many Americans live in Beckworld where according to raving, drooling, bedwetting loon Glenn Beck, Obama is negotiating our surrender to the jihadis.

  46. 46.

    Arguingwithsignposts - ipod touchs

    October 11, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    @Martin: But you assume the most committed fans are necessarily season icket holders. Not always the case

  47. 47.

    Common Sense

    October 11, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    @Morbo:

    Indeed. All a salary cap would mean is less money to the players and more for the owners.

    I will continue to say this until I suffocate, whether the average fan listens or not. A salary cap would not affect the fans cost of attending a game AT ALL. Ticket prices are set based on the demand to see a game, not player salaries. Even if it did, a secondary scalper’s market would spring up overnight to correct the imbalance.

    Hell, it’s not even a salary cap. It’s a payroll cap. The owners want to legally collude to keep a higher percentage of their income. That’s it.

  48. 48.

    ricky

    October 11, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    @Common Sense:

    Why is it that Hollywood is seemingly incapable of making a truly great football movie?

    Because football is made for television.

  49. 49.

    JK

    October 12, 2009 at 12:00 am

    @Cat Lady:

    Yes, that was great.

  50. 50.

    freelancer (itouch)

    October 12, 2009 at 12:00 am

    @freelancer (itouch):
    not to belabor the point but fucking Tyler Perry was just in a scene. Eric bana and Clifton Collins jr are wasted in throwaway roles so far.

  51. 51.

    Brachiator

    October 12, 2009 at 12:00 am

    @Common Sense:

    Why is it that Hollywood is seemingly incapable of making a truly great football movie? Brian’s Song is probably the best…

    Brian’s Song is not really a football movie. It’s a male weepie, Old Yeller with helmets and cleats.

  52. 52.

    Cat Lady

    October 12, 2009 at 12:00 am

    @ricky:

    WiN.

    /sad fan

  53. 53.

    2liberal

    October 12, 2009 at 12:01 am

    fuck the mother fucking yankees.

  54. 54.

    Common Sense

    October 12, 2009 at 12:03 am

    @Brachiator:

    Brian’s Song is not really a football movie. It’s a male weepie, Old Yeller with helmets and cleats.

    This is sort of how I think of Field of Dreams. It’s not a baseball movie, it’s a father/son movie.

    Dad?

    Wanna play catch?

    Any man that doesn’t choke up a bit on that has no soul.

  55. 55.

    freelancer (itouch)

    October 12, 2009 at 12:04 am

    @Common Sense:

    Someone needs to see the first season of Friday night lights.

    Also, the waterboy is pretty pimp.

  56. 56.

    ricky

    October 12, 2009 at 12:04 am

    @JK:
    I only bring it up because to me the most valid complaint about Obama getting the Nobel Prize is “he only got it because he is not George Bush.” I just want to give those who have offered that complaint another example of why he is not. Always glad to help those with ODS.

  57. 57.

    Ash

    October 12, 2009 at 12:05 am

    @Common Sense: The Friday Night Lights movie AND tv show are some of the greatest things ever.

  58. 58.

    Cat Lady

    October 12, 2009 at 12:07 am

    @JK:

    … and with the benefit of being spoken at old school Fenway …

    I just love that movie. I watched that movie 5 times in a row after the Sox lost on the Aaron Fucking Boone homerun off Wakefield in Game 7, 2003. That movie was mother’s milk; it was the balm that soothed my troubled baseball soul.

  59. 59.

    JK

    October 12, 2009 at 12:07 am

    @Common Sense:

    Why is it that Hollywood is seemingly incapable of making a truly great football movie?

    I haven’t seen it, but I’ve heard that North Dallas Forty is a good football move. Anyone have an opinion on that movie?

  60. 60.

    Common Sense

    October 12, 2009 at 12:08 am

    @freelancer (itouch):

    I liked the movie and I loved the show. Still, I’m not referring to TV shows.

    Necessary Roughness, The Replacements, Little Giants, Any Given Sunday, The Program, Jerry Macguire, Varsity Blues…. All I am saying is that I’m starting to sense a pattern here.

  61. 61.

    Martin

    October 12, 2009 at 12:08 am

    But you assume the most committed fans are necessarily season icket holders. Not always the case

    No, not exactly. I assume that season ticket holders are adequately committed fans. Sure there are more committed fans out there, but there is no reasonable way to identify them. Season ticket holders get the job done.

  62. 62.

    burnspbesq

    October 12, 2009 at 12:09 am

    @Martin:

    As a soccer guy, I am completely accustomed to, and down with, promotion and relegation. It would be hard to make it work in baseball as currently organized because the Triple A teams aren’t independent. They rely on major league teams to provide them with players, and it would be really difficult for a newly promoted team to fill 10-15 roster spots with newly signed free agents.

    That said, if we were doing promotion and relegation, I would move four up and four down. The two worst teams in each major league go down, and the two best teams in each Triple A league go up.

    This year, we would be looking at Durham replacing Washington in the NL East, Louisville replacing Baltimore in the AL East, Albuquerque replacing somebody in the AL Central (there would have been a one-game survival playoff between Kansas City and Cleveland), Colorado moving to the NL Central to replace Pittsburgh, and Sacramento coming into the NL West.

  63. 63.

    General Winfield Stuck

    October 12, 2009 at 12:09 am

    @JK:

    . Anyone have an opinion on that movie?

    Yes, terrific. Showed the seedy underbelly of pro football, or at least that of the Cowboy’s/

  64. 64.

    ricky

    October 12, 2009 at 12:10 am

    @Brachiator:

    Brian’s Song is not really a football movie. It’s a male weepie, Old Yeller with helmets and cleats.

    More like Terms of Endearment without teats.

  65. 65.

    burnspbesq

    October 12, 2009 at 12:12 am

    Dear Yankee Haters,

    Don’t sweat it. We got this.

    /s/Torii Hunter

  66. 66.

    JK

    October 12, 2009 at 12:12 am

    @Cat Lady:

    The balm that soothed my troubled baseball soul.

    I want the Angels to be my balm and give the Yankees a well deserved smackdown.

  67. 67.

    General Winfield Stuck

    October 12, 2009 at 12:12 am

    Brian’s Song is not really a football movie. It’s a male weepie, Old Yeller with helmets and cleats.

    Based on a true story. I thought of it at the time as a “Love Story” sort of flick with helmets and broken bones as the backdrop./

  68. 68.

    burnspbesq

    October 12, 2009 at 12:13 am

    @JK:

    Re North Dallas Forty: Read the book if you can find a copy. Devastating.

  69. 69.

    ricky

    October 12, 2009 at 12:13 am

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Why do liberals hate America and overlook the Knute Rockne Story? Because the man who made Gorbachev tear down that wall had the most memorable line?

  70. 70.

    General Winfield Stuck

    October 12, 2009 at 12:15 am

    @ricky:

    Win one for the Gooper?

  71. 71.

    freelancer (itouch)

    October 12, 2009 at 12:16 am

    My favorite football movie is The Last Boy Scout.

    No wait that’s not it. It’s probably Ace Ventura. Yeah.

  72. 72.

    Common Sense

    October 12, 2009 at 12:17 am

    Here’s another way of putting it. I have a serious problem with any football movie being one of the top 10 sports movies ever. They aren’t all baseball or boxing, but there are just a ton of Hollywood flicks I feel are better than any football movie (even Leatherheads) ever made. Even Golf has Caddyshack (and Happy Gilmore, which beats the snot out of The Waterboy).

    I already mentioned Field Of Dreams, Bull Durham, The Natural, Rocky, Raging Bull, and On the Waterfront. I’ll even leave out documentaries (which eliminates two of my favorites in When We Were Kings and Hoop Dreams. To these I would add White Men Can’t Jump, Hoosiers, Slap Shot, CaddyShack, Color of Money, The Hustler, and Eight Men Out. Chariots of Fire really wasn’t my cup of tea, but it may still beat out the schmaltz that has been written about football. The only ones worth mentioning are Brian’s Song, Rudy, and Friday Night Lights — and I didn’t even like Rudy all that much.

  73. 73.

    JK

    October 12, 2009 at 12:19 am

    Common Sense, Morbo, and all people opposed to a salary cap for baseball

    The NY Yankees are the single greatest beneficiary of a system that lacks a salary cap.

    Common Sense and Morbo,
    For full disclosure purposes, are you Yankee fans?

  74. 74.

    Martin

    October 12, 2009 at 12:19 am

    @burnspbesq:

    I’m willing to compromise, but I’d like it to be possible for a well-playing team to be relegated, simply because they are douches, or perceived to be cheaters, dopers, etc.

    And no team would be willing to dump $1.5B into a stadium with the risk that they’d be trying to attract fans to a game against Sacramento.

    I’d make the WS winner exempt, of course.

  75. 75.

    Common Sense

    October 12, 2009 at 12:21 am

    @JK:

    For full disclosure purposes, are you Yankee fans?

    Good God no. I live in Houston, so the Cowboys might trump the Yankees on my most hated list. But most years they are right there.

    I don’t just root for the Yankees to fail. I want them to be embarrassed. I want them to lose in the most random and bizarre, heartbreaking ways possible. I want their fans to moan about curses for a hundred years.

    I like Girardi though.

  76. 76.

    Phoenix Woman

    October 12, 2009 at 12:21 am

    @preston:

    Actually, that was the third base coach’s fault. Punto was just following his lead.

    And of course, the Yankees’ payroll didn’t stop Matsui from making a similar error earlier in the game.

  77. 77.

    ricky

    October 12, 2009 at 12:22 am

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Yes, Gooper. The guy who got hurt playing for the college with the chimpanzee mascot, I think.

  78. 78.

    Wile E. Quixote

    October 12, 2009 at 12:23 am

    Has anyone noticed how much Glenn Beck looks like Biff Tannen from the Back to the Future movies?

  79. 79.

    Cat Lady

    October 12, 2009 at 12:23 am

    @Common Sense:

    I liked Remember the Titans a lot, but I’m a woman and Denzell makes me feel a little funny inside. I loved the coach’s little daughter who broke down film, and Sunshine, the QB. It wasn’t exactly Shakespeare, though.

  80. 80.

    Common Sense

    October 12, 2009 at 12:24 am

    @Cat Lady:

    Give me Hurricane.

  81. 81.

    General Winfield Stuck

    October 12, 2009 at 12:25 am

    Did I mention that the Browns won today. Tomorrow, a plague of locusts.

  82. 82.

    TwinFan

    October 12, 2009 at 12:29 am

    @Ricky

    Made him tear down the wall? Made him??? LOL, that’s the funniest line of the day. He didn’t make him do anything.

    And yeah…. Fuck the fuckin’ Yankees. My Twins lost and I’m pissed!

  83. 83.

    burnspbesq

    October 12, 2009 at 12:31 am

    I’m curious to see whether Rush will have anything to say about all of the NFL players who have said that they will never play for the Rams if he is part of ownership. Wonder when was the last time there was an all-white NFL team.

  84. 84.

    IronyAbounds

    October 12, 2009 at 12:32 am

    well, I’m a god damn Yankee fan and have been all my life. Derek Jeter is class personified. So all you Yankee haters out there can kiss my pinstriped ass.

  85. 85.

    JasonF

    October 12, 2009 at 12:33 am

    As a Yankees fan, all I can say is: fuck all of youse.

  86. 86.

    JK

    October 12, 2009 at 12:33 am

    @Common Sense:

    I don’t just root for the Yankees to fail. I want them to be embarrassed. I want them to lose in the most random and bizarre, heartbreaking ways possible. I want their fans to moan about curses for a hundred years.

    Well said.

    The greatest joy I’ve experienced as a Yankee hater is watching play by play announcer Michael Kay come on the air of the Yes Network after the Yankees have been eliminated from the playoffs. In recent years, when the Yankees were beaten by the Tigers and the Red Sox, it was nirvana to watch Michael Kay seething with anger and trying to contain it. He looked like someone who had just lost a $100,000 bet and watched his dog get shot.

  87. 87.

    burnspbesq

    October 12, 2009 at 12:33 am

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    ‘Bout time. We haven’t had a plague of locusts in, like, forever.

    Browns and Bengals won on the same day. Does that mean we get locusts and frogs?

  88. 88.

    ricky

    October 12, 2009 at 12:34 am

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Plague of locusts? I thought they tore down the old insect pit where those guys used to play.

  89. 89.

    ricky

    October 12, 2009 at 12:36 am

    @Cat Lady:

    If we are going for high school football coaching movies,
    I’ll take Wildcats. Early career star power and Goldie Hawn unamplified.

  90. 90.

    Martin

    October 12, 2009 at 12:36 am

    Plague of locusts? I thought they tore down the old insect pit where those guys used to play.

    No, Cleveland is still there.

  91. 91.

    JK

    October 12, 2009 at 12:38 am

    @burnspbesq:

    Browns and Bengals won on the same day. Does that mean we get locusts and frogs?

    It means the Republican ticket in 2012 will be Palin Bachmann, the Dimmer Twins.

  92. 92.

    General Winfield Stuck

    October 12, 2009 at 12:40 am

    @burnspbesq:

    Does that mean we get locusts and frogs?

    Maybe. And frog legs are quite tasty if seasoned right. Fish would also be biblical and acceptable, I think.

    @ricky:

    That was the Dog Pound. It’s still there, but the spirit hasn’t returned, yet. Fuck Art Modell. That needed to be said.

  93. 93.

    burnspbesq

    October 12, 2009 at 12:41 am

    @IronyAbounds:

    well, I’m a god damn Yankee fan and have been all my life.

    You should sue your parents.

    Derek Jeter is class personified.

    Derek Jeter is “lie down with dogs, get fleas” personified. And when Reyes is healthy, Derek Jeter is the second-best shortstop in New York.

    So all you Yankee haters out there can kiss my pinstriped ass.

    If it’s all the same to you, I’d rather kiss Michelle Malkin’s ass.

  94. 94.

    General Winfield Stuck

    October 12, 2009 at 12:41 am

    @Martin:

    No, Cleveland is still there.

    Hater.

  95. 95.

    Martin

    October 12, 2009 at 12:44 am

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    Sorry, I just couldn’t leave that one hanging out there… If it helps, Cleveland is like Rivendell compared to Newark.

  96. 96.

    JK

    October 12, 2009 at 12:44 am

    @burnspbesq:

    Win, Win, and Win. Well played burnspbesq.

  97. 97.

    bago

    October 12, 2009 at 12:47 am

    What about The Last Boyscout?

  98. 98.

    burnspbesq

    October 12, 2009 at 12:48 am

    @JK:

    We live to serve.

  99. 99.

    Bostondreams

    October 12, 2009 at 12:50 am

    @Common Sense:

    Well, for the greatest Yankee choke job ever, and one which is still considered perhaps the most stunning choke job in the history of MLB and most other sports, I give you your 2004 New York Yankees, who blew a 3 games to none series lead against the Red Sox after being one strike away.

    That game featured one of the most important stolen bases in Red Sox history, with Dave Roberts stealing second on the great Mariano Rivera.

    After this horrid sports weekend, I will be watching my DVD collection of that series all week. The last 4 games anyway.

  100. 100.

    General Winfield Stuck

    October 12, 2009 at 12:50 am

    Hater.

    Christ, now I’m channeling Cole. Too much time on BJ.

  101. 101.

    General Winfield Stuck

    October 12, 2009 at 12:52 am

    @Martin:

    Sorry, I just couldn’t leave that one hanging out there

    I know.

    Never take a softball is my motto.

  102. 102.

    tomvox1

    October 12, 2009 at 12:58 am

    Man am I in the minority here but…fuck all you haters and GO YANKEES! We had 9/11 here in NYC after all and the Yanks gave me a reason to believe afterward even though those f*ing D’backs hosed us…not to mention ’04…so we’re due to win the whole thing again, damn it! So gee-whiz forgive me for rooting for the home team, rest of the “Real America” and all, but take your lame salary cap arguments & Field Of Dreams sentimentality and shove it up your ass, small(er) payroll losers. :D And go A-Rod! :) :) :)

  103. 103.

    JK

    October 12, 2009 at 1:05 am

    @Bostondreams:

    That was the sweetest choke job and most exciting comeback of all-time. The cherry on top of the sundae was watching Michael Kay after the Red Sox eliminated the Yankees. It was fun seeing Kay struggle to avoid hurling a string of obscenities after the Yankees’ epic collapse.

  104. 104.

    JK

    October 12, 2009 at 1:16 am

    @tomvox1:

    We had 9/11 here in NYC after all and the Yanks gave me a reason to believe afterward even though those f*ing D’backs hosed us.

    Do you have any evidence linking the f*ing D’backs to Al Qaeda? Seriously, I’m a lifelong New Yorker and love the city, I just hate the Yankees. I don’t think I’m a disloyal New Yorker or a disloyal American because I rooted for the Diamondbacks.

  105. 105.

    Anne Laurie

    October 12, 2009 at 1:17 am

    @JK:

    I wholeheartedly endorse the statement, but I thought you weren’t a baseball fan. I thought you weren’t a fan of sports in general.

    You remembered correctly. However, the baseball playoffs now remind me of how much I miss Steve Gilliard. And since I grew up in the Bronx hating the Yankees (the Mets are for us natives), and then spent many years in the Midwest with no reason not to hate the Yankees, and now I live in the Boston area where hating the Yankees is always a popular choice, I will memorialize the first truly magnificent blogger I ever ran across by hating the godsdamned Yankees every October. I’m just a sentimentalist, in my own way.

  106. 106.

    drillfork

    October 12, 2009 at 1:19 am

    @tomvox1:

    Saying that 9-11 should make us all wuv the Yankees (especially eight years after the fact) is bad enough, but the D-backs BEAT your asses. We have to deal with the Yankees’ unlimited resources; you should be able to A) come to grips with the fact that there’s a whole country out here beyond NYC and b) accept flat losing every once in awhile. Like for the past eight seasons.

    Sadly though, the Yankees will cruise this year. At least they’ll be beating the Angels and Dodgers from here, teams that are almost as evil.

    A salary cap does nothing for baseball unless there is true revenue sharing. And, beyond all the other issues, the morans in MLB are quite honestly happy with the status quo. To them, Yankees = ratings.

    And Nick Punto is the master of faux hustle with his routine slides into first base. He is not a good baseball player, and it’s no one’s fault by the Twins’ that they refuse to recognize this…

  107. 107.

    Martin

    October 12, 2009 at 1:19 am

    so we’re due to win the whole thing again, damn it!

    Actually, I think the only team that can claim ‘due’ is the Cubs. The Yankees have won the title 1 time out of 4. I think they aren’t due to win again until 2290.

    And yes, go A-Rod. And Pettitt. Here have some more steroids so y’all can keep going.

  108. 108.

    JK

    October 12, 2009 at 1:20 am

    @Anne Laurie:

    Thanks for the explanation.

  109. 109.

    burnspbesq

    October 12, 2009 at 1:29 am

    @drillfork:

    Sadly though, the Yankees will cruise this year.

    Like hell. The Angels have owned the Yankees since 2002.

  110. 110.

    K.

    October 12, 2009 at 1:42 am

    It’s so fashionable to hate Yankees. I hate the Twins more than most any team in baseball. Rooting for teams shouldn’t be a moral issue yet that’s what it always feels like when people bring up teams like the Twins. Fuck the Twins and fan-based sanctimony and self-righteousness.

  111. 111.

    Dream On

    October 12, 2009 at 2:04 am

    Worth pointing out that the Yankees haven’t won the world series since before 9/11. 8+ year drought makes them a fun villain to hate, but that’s ok. The Red Sox were poetic tragedy until they won the World Series twice. After that, they’re just another team – with a very cool old stadium.

    Baseball loves curses – now we only have the Cubs to provide that.

    But what do I know – I follow the Mariners and the Rockies.

  112. 112.

    freelancer (itouch)

    October 12, 2009 at 2:29 am

    @K.:

    Wow logic free baseball troll. is this a BJ first?

    Kirby forever.

  113. 113.

    Comrade Kevin

    October 12, 2009 at 2:35 am

    @K.:

    It’s so fashionable to hate Yankees. I hate the Twins more than most any team in baseball. Rooting for teams shouldn’t be a moral issue yet that’s what it always feels like when people bring up teams like the Twins. Fuck the Twins and fan-based sanctimony and self-righteousness.

    Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for US Steel.

  114. 114.

    JK

    October 12, 2009 at 2:43 am

    @Comrade Kevin:

    Yeah, Pete Hamill put it very nicely.

    Sometimes, I think rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for the Borg because the Yankees are a heartless, soulless entity assimilating the best free agents each year.

  115. 115.

    freelancer (itouch)

    October 12, 2009 at 2:46 am

    @<a href=”#[email protected]Comrade Kevin: ent-1397930″>Comrade Kevin:

    “Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for US Steel.”

    You mean Goldman Sach’s, right? US Steel is so 19th century.

  116. 116.

    gwangung

    October 12, 2009 at 2:47 am

    And, beyond all the other issues, the morans in MLB are quite honestly happy with the status quo. To them, Yankees = ratings.

    Honestly, I don’t think they’re morons for being happy with that.

    I firmly believe for a sport to be healthy, there should be a mix of Up-and-Comers and Established Powers. And among the Established Powers there should be one White Hat and one Black Hat. Everybody needs a villain to boo, and it’s not a flaw in baseball that the Yankees are perennial villains.

  117. 117.

    BruceK

    October 12, 2009 at 2:48 am

    I’ll never forget that Carl Pohlad was ready to take a $150 million payoff to kill the Twins. And that Pohlad could have bought George Steinbrenner twice, plus Jeff Loria, and still had money left over.

    Full disclosure: I was in the upper deck of Yankee Stadium with my family on July 4, 1983, watching Dave Righetti pitch to the Red Sox, and have been a Yankee fan ever since.

  118. 118.

    Robertdsc-iphone

    October 12, 2009 at 4:09 am

    I’m glad the Yanks won. The Angels look tough. It should be a great series.

    /Dodger & Yankee fan

  119. 119.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    October 12, 2009 at 7:20 am

    Hell hath no fury like a Yankee hater scorned.

    It’s autumn, time for the Yankees on TV playing baseball … with the Red Sox watching … at home.

  120. 120.

    rh

    October 12, 2009 at 7:22 am

    I’m a Twins fan because I’ve lived in MN for (most of) the past 9 years, but I do think K. is onto something. I cringe anytime I hear a neutral observer or sportscaster talk about how the Twins are so great because they’re “scrappy” and “play the game right” and “just a bunch of baseball players,” etc etc. Carlos Gomez and Nick Punto have made those people look particularly stupid in the last couple of games.

    That said, fuck the stupid Yankees, and I hope they never win another world series. And though their ’09 squad looks better than the last several, I still think either the Angels or Dodgers are going to knock them out before the finish line.

  121. 121.

    estamm

    October 12, 2009 at 7:25 am

    I’ve been a Yankees fan since the mid 1970’s (the Reggie era). However, I really hated it when they fired Torre. I’d love to see a Yankees-Dodgers series again. And then I’d love to see Torre lead the hated Dodgers over my beloved Yankees.

  122. 122.

    Lou D. Jones

    October 12, 2009 at 7:26 am

    Fuck the goddamn motherfucking, pissdrinking, steroid fueled Yankees.

    Here is to the Angels in four. And if that doesn’t work, may Joe take his karmic retribution.

  123. 123.

    Lou D. Jones

    October 12, 2009 at 7:28 am

    It’s autumn, time for the Yankees on TV playing baseball … with the Red Sox watching … at home.

    Yeah, after a billion dollars spent and for the first time in a nearly a decade…GO ANGELS!!!!

  124. 124.

    Lou D. Jones

    October 12, 2009 at 7:29 am

    I was in the upper deck of Yankee Stadium with my family on July 4, 1983, watching Dave Righetti pitch to the Red Sox, and have been a Yankee fan ever since.

    Bandwagoner. What, would you have been a Rangers fan otherwise?

  125. 125.

    Lou D. Jones

    October 12, 2009 at 7:30 am

    Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for US Steel.

    No, it is like rooting for Fox News.

  126. 126.

    JK

    October 12, 2009 at 7:37 am

    @The Grand Panjandrum:

    The NY Yankees are a pestilence. They’ve never had to compete on a level playing field because they spend every other team into the ground. They’re the only MLB team with a 99.99% chance of advancing to the playoffs every season which means that their World Series titles are bogus and bullshit.

  127. 127.

    comrade scott's agenda of rage

    October 12, 2009 at 8:09 am

    I use a Steve quote as my tag line over at Teh Orange. And yes, his fuck the fucking yankees quote has been much on my mind lately.

    I have three favorite, no, 4 favorite teams in baseball right now: those remaining in the playoffs except the fucking Yankees.

    Wherever you might be Steve, I hope you’re still able to despise the Yankees like every good, American-loving ‘Murkin does.

  128. 128.

    Paul in KY

    October 12, 2009 at 8:34 am

    Rest in peace, Steve. Sure enjoyed his website.

  129. 129.

    PurpleGirl

    October 12, 2009 at 8:53 am

    Don’t know much about baseball and don’t much care for sports… but I miss Steve’s. I often think about leaving FTFY(/i> as a comment in his honor.

  130. 130.

    Legalize

    October 12, 2009 at 8:58 am

    Yep, it’s that Yankee payroll that caused Nick Punto to forget how to run the bases.

    Word.

    Yankee hate is remarkably identical to wingerism. There’s this religious belief that the Yankee payroll has caused them to win all these championships – despite the fact that since the Yankees have become a payroll-bloated team, they’ve won exactly 0 world championships. If anything, the big-spending ways of the Yankees have caused them not to win championships. A lock to make the playoffs every year? They didn’t make the playoffs last year.

    The Yankees literally subsidize the shitty teams of MLB. They are the biggest so-cial-ists in sports. Ask the ownership of your sucky team why it doesn’t spend Yankee money on good players.

  131. 131.

    PurpleGirl

    October 12, 2009 at 9:08 am

    K, let’s try this again.

    Don’t know much about baseball and don’t much care for sport… but I miss Steve’s writings. I used to start the day with his blog. I often think about leaving FTFY as a comment in his honor.

  132. 132.

    Aaron

    October 12, 2009 at 9:33 am

    newsblog is still on my blog roll. I miss steve.

  133. 133.

    BruceK

    October 12, 2009 at 9:39 am

    Lou D. Jones @ 124:

    When you’re twelve years old, just starting to learn about the game, and you see a no-hitter in your first game at a ballpark with your family, that tends to leave an impression. And considering that the 1980’s and early 1990’s were lean years at the House that Ruth Built, “bandwagoner” isn’t quite the right word.

    Dammit, I’m a Yankee fan, and I’m once again proud to be an American, and I was working in the Kerry general election campaign in ’04, and none of that is contradictory! Even if someone from the New York Times back in ’04 thought I was enough of an anomaly to warrant being an interview subject (for a story that got spiked, sadly)…

  134. 134.

    burnspbesq

    October 12, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Loved the idea of a Gilly memorial thread.

    We can haz Molly Ivins memorial thread, plz?

  135. 135.

    JK

    October 12, 2009 at 9:51 am

    @Legalize:

    A lock to make the playoffs every year? They didn’t make the playoffs last year.

    WOW, one year that the Yankees didn’t make the playoffs. You conveniently overlook the fact that 2008 marked the first season since 1993 that the Yankees failed to make it to the playoffs.

    Nice try.

  136. 136.

    HRA

    October 12, 2009 at 9:58 am

    General WS: “Did I mention that the Browns won today. Tomorrow, a plague of locusts.”

    Hell! Our local high school team could have played that game and shown more promise. First time I can remember when the family hardly watched the game on our TV after a dinner at our house.

    Three of our granddaughters went to the game. One of them had to return a coat to a friend parked down Rt. 20. Right behind them as they were walking down the street, a car careened into a crowd of people. Three pedestrians and 4 policemen were injured. Thankfully our girls were spared except for the shock of it all and will not be walking after the games from now on. Their aunt lives on the street next to the stadium. They will go wait there for a ride.

  137. 137.

    Legalize

    October 12, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Not really, JK. The “premise” is that the Yankees’ payroll causes them to make the playoffs every year. Big deal. A playoff team is going to come from the AL East every year. Making the playoffs hasn’t translated to winning the world series or even getting to the world series. The Yankees bloated payroll has only really been a factor since the 2002 season. Since then they’ve made the playoffs, but have won the World Series exactly 0 times. Between 1993 and 2008, small-budget teams have won the series plenty of times. So, what’s the argument? Why don’t the Pirates pay for good players with Yankee money? How are the Marlins and Brewers competitive with no payroll? The Cubs and Mets spend a lot and they’re dreadful. Why is that? The Reds and Cards are in similar markets. Why are the Cards successful and the Reds terrible?

    Why did the Twins run the bases like amateurs during the series with the Yanks? I know; A-Rod’s fault. His paycheck hurts the feelings of the opposing teams, thereby causing them such grief as to forget how to play baseball.

  138. 138.

    Gus

    October 12, 2009 at 11:06 am

    @Robertdsc-iphone:
    Dodger and Yankee fan? I’m a huge baseball fan. It’s the only sport I really pay any attention to. If it’s a Dodgers-Yankees series I won’t watch an inning.

  139. 139.

    Gus

    October 12, 2009 at 11:10 am

    @Legalize:
    Are you really saying there’s no correlation between payroll and the ability of a team to win games?

  140. 140.

    Joel

    October 12, 2009 at 11:32 am

    @MikeJ: As long as the Celtics humiliate the Lakers…

  141. 141.

    gwangung

    October 12, 2009 at 11:40 am

    @Gus: Yup.

    At least, not in the way you think.

    Basically, it’s only loosely correlated in the fact that as players hit arbitration and early free agent years, players get more expensive. But remember, that’s just teams retaining their own players. If you give them away, yeah, you’re not going to win many games–but that’s not from salary, that’s from giving players away.

    And again….Florida Marlins. Twice. And that’s only one less World Series than the Yankees have managed in 25 years.

  142. 142.

    Howlin Wolfe

    October 12, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    @gbear: You shoulda seed the picture of the crying fan on the back page of Section A of the St. Paul Pioneer Press this morning. I mean, geez, I love the Twins and I was hoping they’d finally win a game against the Best Team Money Can Buy(R).
    I knew they had a very remote chance of taking the series, or even winning a game, given their pitching staff.
    But this fan looked absolutely shattered, devastated. There’s always next year, gbear! See you at Target Field *shiver*

  143. 143.

    Gary Y

    October 12, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    The Yankees win. All is right with the world..

  144. 144.

    Gus

    October 12, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    @gwangung:
    And why do they give players away? Yes, there are the outliers, but 6 of the 8 teams in the playoffs this year are in the top ten in payroll, and if the Twins hadn’t finished ridiculously strong, it would have been 7 of 8. What really bugs me is the way the Yankees, Angels, et. al. are perfectly happy to eat millions in unproductive contracts. They throw money at players for long term contracts when they know that the player won’t be productive. Torii Hunter will not be worth the $20 million (or so) he’ll be making at the end of his contract. A-Roid will not be worth the $25 or $30 million at the end of his contract. The Angels and Yankees don’t care. They’ll deal with that when the time comes, and they’ll have the luxury of eating those contracts. The Twins and the Rays don’t have that luxury. A team can somewhat overcome that by good scouting and smart trading. The Twins are an excellent example. However, they’re good enough to get close and will never (almost) be able to take it that extra step. I don’t know what the solution is, or if there is one, but watching the enthusiasm level drain out of once great baseball cities like Pittsburgh is a goddamn shame.

  145. 145.

    gwangung

    October 12, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    The Twins are an excellent example

    Really? They’ve won the Series twice over the last 25 years. That’s one less than the Yankees. And they’re consistently in the hunt. Sounds like that disproves your example.

  146. 146.

    Gus

    October 12, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    And again….Florida Marlins. Twice.

    If you’re talking about the ’97 Marlins, that’s a perfect illustration of money buying a championship. They signed a bunch of stars and raised their payroll nearly 70% over the previous year. The ’03 Marlins are one of the outliers, as are the ’08 Rays. That type of team will win one once in a while, but I really can’t believe that anyone thinks there’s no correlation between payroll and the ability to win a World Series.

  147. 147.

    Gus

    October 12, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    @gwangung:
    You must not have read that very close. I said that the Twins are an example of a team that is able to overcome a low payroll with judicious scouting and smart trades. They’re in the hunt largely because they play in baseball’s weakest division. Also, looking at the past 25 years in this discussion is misleading. Salaries have escalated astronomically in that time. The Twins twice made Kirby Puckett the highest paid player in baseball with contracts that averaged $3 then $6 million. I’m not saying that payroll is the only indicator of future success. Look at the Mets. I’m saying it’s an important one, and to deny that seems kind of silly. (Also, I want to agree that the Yankees payroll didn’t make Punto fuck up on the basepaths or Joe Nathan groove a fastball to A-Rod.)

  148. 148.

    kelly

    October 12, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    steve gaillard, the fucking racist asshole who called Mike Steele “simple sambo”?

    o, I forgot, black people can’t be racist, right?

  149. 149.

    Linkmeister

    October 12, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    @burnspbesq: The last time an NFL team was lily-white was 1946. There’s an excellent article in last week’s Sports Illustrated about the racism which caused the NFL to eliminate black players from the league in 1934 and keep it white for the next 12 years.

  150. 150.

    Lou D. Jones

    October 12, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    Ask the ownership of your sucky team why it doesn’t spend Yankee money on good players.

    Ummm, because there are no good players left, after the Yankees pick clean what they want. All that is left after that are the dregs. Anyway, do you seriously think the Yankees could subsidize the Pirates or the Reds to the point that they could afforf a Sabathia or Teixeira on luxury tax alone?

  151. 151.

    Lou D. Jones

    October 12, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    When you’re twelve years old, just starting to learn about the game, and you see a no-hitter in your first game at a ballpark with your family, that tends to leave an impression.

    Not a good enough reason by any stretch. You need to read Bill Simmons’ rules for being a fan.

  152. 152.

    Gus

    October 12, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    Ask the ownership of your sucky team why it doesn’t spend Yankee money on good players.

    Yeah, I’ve got the Pohlad family in my address book. I’ll let you know what they say.

  153. 153.

    Michael57

    October 12, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    I love the Yankees. To quote a young Republican, Eric Cartman, “screw you guys.”

  154. 154.

    Lou D. Jones

    October 12, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    I love the Yankees.

    There are therapy groups for that. Quick, before it becomes fatal.

  155. 155.

    BruceK

    October 13, 2009 at 1:49 am

    There are also “therapy groups” to cure people of being gay.

    And, also:

    – The Yankees were (and are) my hometown team.
    – I was following them in the dark times back when they weren’t winning anything. Including at least one last-place finish.
    – I’ll take Bill Simmons’ advice on being a fan of the Yankees the day President Obama takes Rush Limbaugh’s advice on governing the country.

    Also.

  156. 156.

    redoubt

    October 13, 2009 at 9:16 am

    @burnspbesq: The 1961 Washington Redskins. Then owner George Marshall wanted to move from Griffith Stadium into the new DC Stadium (now RFK); the Kennedy administration threatened to refuse until he integrated his team. They traded the #1 pick in the 1962 draft to Cleveland–who turned out to be Ernie Davis–for Bobby Mitchell.

    @kelly: My memory is that Gilliard apologized and moved on. Who knew that Gilliard turned out to be right at least four years early?

    (That was a two-for-one when Jonah Goldberg, Boy Historian, accused Gilliard of being racist. Hilarity ensued.)

  157. 157.

    Tom Abraitis

    October 13, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    People, People, People don’t hold back. Tell us what you really think.
    Go Yanks!
    TeeJay

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