Topic to discuss: should it be illegal for schools to poach coaches while there’s still games to be played? Notre Dame’s signing away Coach Kelly from Cincy just before Cincy’s got to go play UF in the Sugar Bowl just made it harder for the players to focus. This is no different than a player getting drunk and arrested DUI at a stop light at 3 am in the morning.
Longer answer: it’s more than distracting, it makes the game virtually impossible to prepare for. Plus why would you play for a coach you worked your heart and soul for in the regular season just to have him punk you and leave?
@PaulW: I can’t speak for the entire city of Cincinnati, but even though we all knew it was coming, we as a people are rather disgusted at the timing. I feel horrible for the Bearcat players, and as sympathy for Bearcat players isn’t something that occurs in nature, my own feelings alarmed me. I guess it’s all about recruitment, because I can’t begin to understand why these coaching negotiations can’t wait until after New Year’s.
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Yutsano
Let’s see…Dad was Navy, ex was Army, Dawg is Navy by extenstion (the vast majority of Navy players go Marine) good friend is Army…it’s close but gonna go with Navy!
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namekarB
Ahhh. Football. The opiate of the masses.
My team is better than yours. Neener-neener-neener.
Ooooh. “Edit” is back! Mucho Gusto. Gracias.
7.
geg6
Other than Pitt’s Whatever Bowl appearance, I am done with football season. What I am enjoying today is my Christmas gift from my boss: a subscription to Food Network Magazine. My only problem with it is I fear I will now have to find space to store all these magazines that I will be unable to throw out. In just my first issue, there are at least 20 recipes that I want to try. Good times.
O/T, but Breitbart’s twitter feed is consistently the weirdest out there. Today’s doesn’t disappoint.
@geg6: You have a pretty thoughtful boss. Way to go!
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Yutsano
@geg6: A suggestion for that: get a nice scrapbook then clip the recipes you want and recycle the rest. Although I understand the sentiment, I’ve often kept an entire issue of Gourmet magazine totally intact mostly because I’ll go back to it later and dig out an entirely different recipe. And those are some bulk there.
A suggestion for that: get a nice scrapbook then clip the recipes you want and recycle the rest.
I have a couple of plain old 3-ring binders. I paste the recipes onto looseleaf and then slide the pages into plastic sleeves. It’s easy to organize them this way, and in plastic they’re also a bit more durable if you spill something on them in the kitchen.
Speaking of recipes, does anyone have a killer gingerbread cookie recipe? I’m not looking for gingersnaps, but something that can be decorated. I’ve been assigned to make sweets for the kids at an upcoming party, and they’re a crafty bunch so I thought we’d decorate gingerbread.
Football: Mr Jud is watching Army-Navy right now with a rapt, sleepy Bean on his lap. He’s just been told he’ll be second-string QB for our local American football club. Workouts start in January, so he is watching the game a lot.
…an entire issue of Gourmet magazine totally intact mostly because I’ll go back to it later and dig out an entirely different recipe. And those are some bulk there.
“Were”. Those *were* some bulk there; the magazine is now defunct. Though there may be a few editions still in the pipeline.
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Mike in NC
Go Navy. Beat “Hu-ahh”. Hate that dumb expression.
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scav
ok, for the gingerbread artistic crowd, local sighting: looked to be a standard white cake, decorated as the White House. Gingerbread Pres. and Mrs. O in front with little gingerbread FBI agents on top.
14.
Ecks
Do you WANT to hire a coach who would walk out on his team just before a bowl game? Because if they’d do it to their old team, they’d sure as heck do it to you too.
It’s like the old Groucho line “I wouldn’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.”
Forget Army vs. Navy. Watch Shatner vs. Palin on last night’s Tonight Show Poetry Slam.
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jwb
@Ecks: Well, we are talking about Notre Dame here, so the chances of him leaving to go anywhere else are about zero—at least that’s what Notre Dame will believe.
@Joe Max: As a Navy Junior (Dad spent 33 years in) and a former Navy Radioman, I may have more incentive than sheer contrarianism. Go Navy!
My Dad and I saw one of these games in Philly; I think it was the year after Staubach won the Heisman, so 1964. Navy lost. I got the hint; I haven’t attended one since.
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mcd410x
The most bizarre thing about coaching is how they all have what amounts to guaranteed contracts. So if you’re Charlie Weis and your teams suck, when you’re fired, you still get paid.
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Zuzu's Petals
Let’s see, granddad, great uncle, dad, and nephew USMA. Brother USAFA, helped steal the Navy goat back in the day.
In anticipation of tomorrow, is it too early to talk about how frawesome this 1st place AFC North Bengals game at 1st place NFC North Vikings game is going to be?
Both teams are 4-1 in their last 5 starts, with the Vikings looking rather awful in their last. Tomorrow is going to be epic.
@chrome agnomen: He sure does seem to hate the guys over at Media Matters, and seems to think “fisting” wins his ZOMG ttlly pwn3d1!! argument. He’s a juvenile, plus, he’s weird. Weirder still, he has loads of fans.
The problem is the recruiting window. National Letter of Intent day is February 3. That leaves less than a month after the Sugar Bowl to nail down recruits. When half the committed recruits open their recruitment up again after a coach leaves, there is no way a team or coach can wait until mid January to start with the new school. It could kill the coach’s chances to succeed before it even begins.
It sucks, and I say this as someone who hates both Notre Dame and Brian Kelly (I’m a Rutgers alumnus whose team loses recruits to ND and games to Kelly every year). But it’s unavoidable. Basketball has two month-long signing periods, with binding, signed commitments, whereas football recruiting is year-round, with non-binding verbal commitments that can be changed up until the signed letter is received on Feb. 3.
On the positive side for Cincy, the OC of the Bearcats, who has been Kelly’s OC for 22 years, is coaching in the Sugar Bowl. So not much will be different in terms of game planning.
@arguingwithsignposts: I have a very similar regard for the University of Spoiled Children. The fact that they are destined for a minor bowl game warms the cockles of my heart to no end.
Yes, I think the NCAA should have a window, at the conclusion of the post-season for all sports, when coaches can be contacted and signed. But you’ve also got to have a corresponding recruiting window for student athletes so that no team can take an unfair advantage of snatching unsigned recruits fro coach-less schools.
I’d be remiss to point out, however, that the departure of a head coach before the post-season isn’t necessarily a forfeiture of post-season success. Nick Saban left Michigan State at the end of the 1999 regular season, but the Spartans defeated Florida in the Citrus Bowl. In 1989, after the final game of the regular season, basketball coach Bill Frieder signed on to coach Arizona State in 1989-90, while still contracted to coach the University of Michigan through the 1988-89 season. Bo Schembechler shitcanned Frieder, and appointed Steve Fisher to coach U of M through the NCAA tournament- and Fisher led the team to the National Championship.
@Andy K: You know, I never liked Schembechler much before that, but he really stood on principle there, and I began to admire him a little bit.
37.
D-Chance.
Like watching two high school JV squads… option left, option right, fullback dive up the middle, yawn.
I know the service academies attract “C” and “D” list athletes due to the post-college military commitment they must make; but, damn. High schoolers can execute the pass play and open up their playbooks better than this.
On an aesthetic basis, I love the Navy blues as much as I liked the Army camouflage last year. The white shoulder pads and insignias are damn fine.
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Maxwel
Navy used to have classy uniforms – today’s are grotesque.
I was always a fan of Bo, the coach on the field. Off the field, though…My neighbor had a brother who was a very smart guy as well as a great football player. He got a scholarship to play football at U of M in the ’70s. He wanted to study to become a civil engineer. The football staff pulled his scholarship when he wouldn’t take courses like rocks for jocks and basket-weaving. He ended up getting an academic scholarship, quitting the team altogether, and graduating U of M with honors.
I don’t think Bo added much as an AD, but I did appreciate the Frieder move. Bo skeedaddled for a job with Tom Monaghan and the Detroit Tigers before the Fab Five scandal came to light, though, and never received as much criticism for his lack of oversight as he deserved.
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Yutsano
@Maxwel: I’m sooo glad I’m not the only one who thinks so.
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Seitz
Go Navy! and help put UCLA in a bowl game. Not that I really care about seeing them play another game, but they could really use the extra weeks of practice.
The Air Force joined in soon after, via a raid by three Air Force Academy (AFA) cadets a month prior to the first Air Force/Navy football game in 1960. Bill was flown to the AFA in the bomb bay of an Air Force B-26, where he resided on a farm until Naval Intelligence tracked him to Colorado. The superintendent of the AFA learned of the mission through intimidation of the Cadet Wing, and forced the return of Bill to Annapolis. The event was reported by several national media outlets, including Life, at the time. …. Wikipedia
The pic of my brother leading Bill around the USAFA quad – with his horns painted blue and gold – still gets passed around at reunions.
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Yutsano
Well great. Stillers better figure themselves out or John’s gonna get REAL moody.
Bo Schembechler shitcanned Frieder, and appointed Steve Fisher to coach U of M through the NCAA tournament- and Fisher led the team to the National Championship, a whole bunch of recruiting violations and Ed Martin.
Fleshed out for accuracy. Then again, Schembechler didn’t want to hire Fisher for the permanent job, because he wanted to get rid of everyone associated with Frieder. (Not a bad choice, really.) Then Fisher won the title, and it wasn’t politically possible not to hire him.
I don’t think Bo added much as an AD, but I did appreciate the Frieder move. Bo skeedaddled for a job with Tom Monaghan and the Detroit Tigers before the Fab Five scandal came to light, though, and never received as much criticism for his lack of oversight as he deserved.
He never received the recognition he deserved for the job he did completely destroying the Tigers’ farm system, either.
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MTmofo
MT Griz beat App St. 24-17 in harsh (near zero wind chill and snowing) MT winter conditions. MT vs Villanova in Chattanooga for the FCS Play-off Championship.
Friday 6pm MST on ESPN2.
Go Griz!
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Scott H
Well, go Air Force, but CiC trophy is outta reach this year.
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PaulW
Go Navy! Beat Notre Dame!
Topic to discuss: should it be illegal for schools to poach coaches while there’s still games to be played? Notre Dame’s signing away Coach Kelly from Cincy just before Cincy’s got to go play UF in the Sugar Bowl just made it harder for the players to focus. This is no different than a player getting drunk and arrested DUI at a stop light at 3 am in the morning.
Yutsano
@PaulW: Short answer: yes.
Longer answer: it’s more than distracting, it makes the game virtually impossible to prepare for. Plus why would you play for a coach you worked your heart and soul for in the regular season just to have him punk you and leave?
Joe Max
Go Navy! Beat Army!
(Just for the sake of contrariety….)
JenJen
Go Army!!
@PaulW: I can’t speak for the entire city of Cincinnati, but even though we all knew it was coming, we as a people are rather disgusted at the timing. I feel horrible for the Bearcat players, and as sympathy for Bearcat players isn’t something that occurs in nature, my own feelings alarmed me. I guess it’s all about recruitment, because I can’t begin to understand why these coaching negotiations can’t wait until after New Year’s.
Yutsano
Let’s see…Dad was Navy, ex was Army, Dawg is Navy by extenstion (the vast majority of Navy players go Marine) good friend is Army…it’s close but gonna go with Navy!
namekarB
Ahhh. Football. The opiate of the masses.
My team is better than yours. Neener-neener-neener.
Ooooh. “Edit” is back! Mucho Gusto. Gracias.
geg6
Other than Pitt’s Whatever Bowl appearance, I am done with football season. What I am enjoying today is my Christmas gift from my boss: a subscription to Food Network Magazine. My only problem with it is I fear I will now have to find space to store all these magazines that I will be unable to throw out. In just my first issue, there are at least 20 recipes that I want to try. Good times.
JenJen
O/T, but Breitbart’s twitter feed is consistently the weirdest out there. Today’s doesn’t disappoint.
@geg6: You have a pretty thoughtful boss. Way to go!
Yutsano
@geg6: A suggestion for that: get a nice scrapbook then clip the recipes you want and recycle the rest. Although I understand the sentiment, I’ve often kept an entire issue of Gourmet magazine totally intact mostly because I’ll go back to it later and dig out an entirely different recipe. And those are some bulk there.
R-Jud
@Yutsano:
I have a couple of plain old 3-ring binders. I paste the recipes onto looseleaf and then slide the pages into plastic sleeves. It’s easy to organize them this way, and in plastic they’re also a bit more durable if you spill something on them in the kitchen.
Speaking of recipes, does anyone have a killer gingerbread cookie recipe? I’m not looking for gingersnaps, but something that can be decorated. I’ve been assigned to make sweets for the kids at an upcoming party, and they’re a crafty bunch so I thought we’d decorate gingerbread.
Football: Mr Jud is watching Army-Navy right now with a rapt, sleepy Bean on his lap. He’s just been told he’ll be second-string QB for our local American football club. Workouts start in January, so he is watching the game a lot.
henqiguai
@Yutsano (#9):
“Were”. Those *were* some bulk there; the magazine is now defunct. Though there may be a few editions still in the pipeline.
Mike in NC
Go Navy. Beat “Hu-ahh”. Hate that dumb expression.
scav
ok, for the gingerbread artistic crowd, local sighting: looked to be a standard white cake, decorated as the White House. Gingerbread Pres. and Mrs. O in front with little gingerbread FBI agents on top.
Ecks
Do you WANT to hire a coach who would walk out on his team just before a bowl game? Because if they’d do it to their old team, they’d sure as heck do it to you too.
It’s like the old Groucho line “I wouldn’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.”
J.
Forget Army vs. Navy. Watch Shatner vs. Palin on last night’s Tonight Show Poetry Slam.
jwb
@Ecks: Well, we are talking about Notre Dame here, so the chances of him leaving to go anywhere else are about zero—at least that’s what Notre Dame will believe.
Linkmeister
@Joe Max: As a Navy Junior (Dad spent 33 years in) and a former Navy Radioman, I may have more incentive than sheer contrarianism. Go Navy!
My Dad and I saw one of these games in Philly; I think it was the year after Staubach won the Heisman, so 1964. Navy lost. I got the hint; I haven’t attended one since.
mcd410x
The most bizarre thing about coaching is how they all have what amounts to guaranteed contracts. So if you’re Charlie Weis and your teams suck, when you’re fired, you still get paid.
Zuzu's Petals
Let’s see, granddad, great uncle, dad, and nephew USMA. Brother USAFA, helped steal the Navy goat back in the day.
Yep. Go Army! Beat Navy!
chrome agnomen
@JenJen:
what’s with the guy’s fisting obsession?
JenJen
In anticipation of tomorrow, is it too early to talk about how frawesome this 1st place AFC North Bengals game at 1st place NFC North Vikings game is going to be?
Both teams are 4-1 in their last 5 starts, with the Vikings looking rather awful in their last. Tomorrow is going to be epic.
@chrome agnomen: He sure does seem to hate the guys over at Media Matters, and seems to think “fisting” wins his ZOMG ttlly pwn3d1!! argument. He’s a juvenile, plus, he’s weird. Weirder still, he has loads of fans.
Zuzu's Petals
@Yutsano:
Have you seen the recipe archive at Epicurious?
Ed in NJ
@PaulW:
The problem is the recruiting window. National Letter of Intent day is February 3. That leaves less than a month after the Sugar Bowl to nail down recruits. When half the committed recruits open their recruitment up again after a coach leaves, there is no way a team or coach can wait until mid January to start with the new school. It could kill the coach’s chances to succeed before it even begins.
It sucks, and I say this as someone who hates both Notre Dame and Brian Kelly (I’m a Rutgers alumnus whose team loses recruits to ND and games to Kelly every year). But it’s unavoidable. Basketball has two month-long signing periods, with binding, signed commitments, whereas football recruiting is year-round, with non-binding verbal commitments that can be changed up until the signed letter is received on Feb. 3.
On the positive side for Cincy, the OC of the Bearcats, who has been Kelly’s OC for 22 years, is coaching in the Sugar Bowl. So not much will be different in terms of game planning.
arguingwithsignposts
@PaulW:
These days, ND is where college coaching careers go to die, so you should feel a little bit better about that.
Yutsano
@arguingwithsignposts: I wonder about that now. Jabba hung in there for a few years.
ihop
we welcome all our newly minted members to the ‘fuck notre dame’ party.
in college football i myself root like hell every game for the ohio state buckeyes and whoever the hell is playing notre dame.
arguingwithsignposts
@Yutsano:
“Hung in there” being a relative term. ND is the CF equivalent of the Yankees, without the payroll.
M. Bouffant
Bill The Goat!
Yutsano
@arguingwithsignposts: I have a very similar regard for the University of Spoiled Children. The fact that they are destined for a minor bowl game warms the cockles of my heart to no end.
arguingwithsignposts
@Yutsano:
Yep, same here. The only thing better would be if they didn’t get any bowl game whatsoever.
MTmofo
Go Navy! My son is in the Navy, so now I have done my parental duty.
More importantly, Go Griz! FCS Semi-Final game on ESPN right now. App. St. in Montana. Winner plays Villanova in Chattanooga.
Ed in NJ
@arguingwithsignposts:
I guess, if you exclude the winning part….
You Don't Say
Go Navy!
My father was a Navy fighter pilot in WWII, my only connection. He took us to the game one year, but I have no memory of it.
alexinafghan
Why does a soldier say “Hooah!”? Because you can’t say “Oorah!” with a cock in your mouth!
GO NAVY! BEAT ARMY!
Andy K
@PaulW:
Yes, I think the NCAA should have a window, at the conclusion of the post-season for all sports, when coaches can be contacted and signed. But you’ve also got to have a corresponding recruiting window for student athletes so that no team can take an unfair advantage of snatching unsigned recruits fro coach-less schools.
I’d be remiss to point out, however, that the departure of a head coach before the post-season isn’t necessarily a forfeiture of post-season success. Nick Saban left Michigan State at the end of the 1999 regular season, but the Spartans defeated Florida in the Citrus Bowl. In 1989, after the final game of the regular season, basketball coach Bill Frieder signed on to coach Arizona State in 1989-90, while still contracted to coach the University of Michigan through the 1988-89 season. Bo Schembechler shitcanned Frieder, and appointed Steve Fisher to coach U of M through the NCAA tournament- and Fisher led the team to the National Championship.
Linkmeister
@Andy K: You know, I never liked Schembechler much before that, but he really stood on principle there, and I began to admire him a little bit.
D-Chance.
Like watching two high school JV squads… option left, option right, fullback dive up the middle, yawn.
I know the service academies attract “C” and “D” list athletes due to the post-college military commitment they must make; but, damn. High schoolers can execute the pass play and open up their playbooks better than this.
On an aesthetic basis, I love the Navy blues as much as I liked the Army camouflage last year. The white shoulder pads and insignias are damn fine.
Maxwel
Navy used to have classy uniforms – today’s are grotesque.
Andy K
@Linkmeister:
I was always a fan of Bo, the coach on the field. Off the field, though…My neighbor had a brother who was a very smart guy as well as a great football player. He got a scholarship to play football at U of M in the ’70s. He wanted to study to become a civil engineer. The football staff pulled his scholarship when he wouldn’t take courses like rocks for jocks and basket-weaving. He ended up getting an academic scholarship, quitting the team altogether, and graduating U of M with honors.
I don’t think Bo added much as an AD, but I did appreciate the Frieder move. Bo skeedaddled for a job with Tom Monaghan and the Detroit Tigers before the Fab Five scandal came to light, though, and never received as much criticism for his lack of oversight as he deserved.
Yutsano
@Maxwel: I’m sooo glad I’m not the only one who thinks so.
Seitz
Go Navy! and help put UCLA in a bowl game. Not that I really care about seeing them play another game, but they could really use the extra weeks of practice.
Zuzu's Petals
@M. Bouffant:
The pic of my brother leading Bill around the USAFA quad – with his horns painted blue and gold – still gets passed around at reunions.
Yutsano
Well great. Stillers better figure themselves out or John’s gonna get REAL moody.
Bill H
I am beginning to think John’s “Go!” thing is the kiss of death.
J. Michael Neal
@Andy K:
Fleshed out for accuracy. Then again, Schembechler didn’t want to hire Fisher for the permanent job, because he wanted to get rid of everyone associated with Frieder. (Not a bad choice, really.) Then Fisher won the title, and it wasn’t politically possible not to hire him.
J. Michael Neal
@Andy K:
He never received the recognition he deserved for the job he did completely destroying the Tigers’ farm system, either.
MTmofo
MT Griz beat App St. 24-17 in harsh (near zero wind chill and snowing) MT winter conditions. MT vs Villanova in Chattanooga for the FCS Play-off Championship.
Friday 6pm MST on ESPN2.
Go Griz!
Scott H
Well, go Air Force, but CiC trophy is outta reach this year.