Franconia: “…having the courage to tell the hard truths and make hard decisions.”
Like dumping ‘defined benefit’ pensions for ‘defined contribution’ pensions to alleviate open-ended risk.
BTW, are you still a free lunch “something-for-nothing” Keynesian who loves the Fed and centralized command/control economic planning?
Steven Pearlstein: I’m not a something for nothing free lunch Keynesian — you must be thinking of Prof. Krugman…
Pearlstein goes on to slam the reader who asked the question, comparing him to Joe McCarthy, but why the strange gratuitous slam on Krugman.
FormerSwingVoter
Because economists whose theories actually match what occurs in the real world are Not Serious(tm).
Scruffy McSnufflepuss
He knows he’ll never be taken as seriously as Krugman, and he’s very insecure about it.
dmsilev
Was this you?
And did David Broder really go for the Centrist Wank of the Year award?
-dms
geg6
Ummm, I can only guess it might be a teeny tiny bit of jealousy that The Shrill One has a Nobel and Pearlstein only has a measly Pulitzer? Or perhaps that K-thug works for the NYT and Pearlstein works for the Kaplan Daily?
Comrade Jake
Inferiority complex.
SATSQ
Tom Hilton
When I think of ‘free-lunch’ economists, I think of one of two things: a) folks who actually take the Laff-Riot Curve seriously, and believe tax ‘cuts’ increase revenues; and b) folks who defend the sacred right of corporations to externalize their costs.
Keynesians? Not exactly free-lunchers.
Ailuridae
I think Pearlstein is just mocking the questioner (ie. that’s the kind of stupid shit that people say to Paul Krugman)
norbizness
I DON’T KNOW BEGIN THE SHOW TRIALS
DougJ
@dmsilev:
That was me.
Joe Buck
Keynes said that the budget should be balanced over the business cycle, and that governments should run deficits during downturns, to provide stimulus, and surpluses during booms, to keep things sane and make up for the deficit spending. It was not “something for nothing”.
Citizen_X
@Tom Hilton: Wars, and the entire Defense budget, are always free, don’t you know?
Andrew
Pearlstein has in the past criticized Krugman, saying that while he generally agrees with his views, he does think Krugman underestimates the risks of the long-term deficit.
John Quixote
Duh! He’s the dreaded Librul Godless Commie College Professor. Essentially, a DFH with a beard.
Ted the Slacker
No idea the reason for the attack, but Krugman did post this today –
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/martin-wolf-on-deficits/
In case you aren’t a FT subscriber, the link is to Martin Wolf’s spectacular slam of Niall Ferguson who had earlier accused people of “free-lunch” Keynesianism.
Wolf’s argument, that the increased quantity of debt to service tomorrow is a price worth paying for higher output today, is the the essential Keynesian case; for which the free-lunch supply-side motherfuckers and other poseurs have never had a coherent response.
BrklynLibrul
That Pearlstein column was an abomination. Someone should ask Lil’ Ezra what he thinks.
PurpleGirl
Because Krugman is The Shrill One (besides being a DFH with a beard (but didn’t most hippies have beards?))
Mike Kay
a free lunch Keynesian — what the hell is that? this guy sounds like a Ron Paul kook (gold standard vs Fed), chugging a tall glass of hate radio.
its laughable. they never said peep about the debt when Shurb was flying $12 billion of cash in shrinked wrapped pallets to Baghdad.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1
Kryptik
@John Quixote:
In other words, Pearlstein is burnishing his credentials with some gratuitous hippie punching (yes, I know the debate about this term, but it still fits. Krugman has been delegitimized a lot in the US despite his Nobel work, precisely because he ends up painted as a hippie lefty by opponents).
David in NY
I think there’s something worse here. Pearlstein gets challenged to name one Republican who will go along with Obama. He can’t. He then gets criticized for believing that, despite this, there is some “magic potion” that could solve things. He essentially responds, “If Obama rolls up his sleeves and gets to work, there might be a magic potion!”
Oy! What a political idiot!
media browski
It fascinates me that the past 30 years vindicate Keynes and yet no one realizes it. Reagan ran on Keynesian stimulus disguised as military spending, ran up the economy and left Bush I with the hangover. Clinton/Rubin pulled back the spending, balanced the government checkbook, improving the value of the dollar and giving the economy room to grow and got a surplus for it. Bush tries tax cuts and gets a meager stimulus that wasted the surplus and slowly sapped the strength of our economy until it was no longer making enough to pay for the government, or to support our people’s over-extended credit.
Keynesianism is doing great, people just don’t seem to know it.
Kryptik
@David in NY:
It’s like forcing a gold medalist sprinter to wear 5 lbs weights around each ankle, and then wondering why he isn’t working hard enough to beat the silver medalist in the 100m.
Rick Taylor
Reads to me like a swipe at the questioner, not at Krugman.
Nylund
As Atrios would likely point out, punching hippies is always a good way to win over the villagers.
Zifnab
It’s almost as though no one knows what a Keynesian espouses. Free Lunch? That’s the fucking opposite of the entire theory.
Perhaps Franconia and Pearlstein are confusing the actual Keynesian economic theory – which involves increased spending during economic decline and increased taxes during economic recovery – with the current political practice of increasing spending during economic decline and decreasing taxes during economic recovery.
In that sense, the Bush Years Tax-cut-paloza had “Free Lunch” written all over it. Remind me where the deficit hawks were back then.
John Quixote
@PurpleGirl:
You have to shave to keep a square job these days. Most hippies I know don’t go the whole John Lennon on the cover of Abbey Road look. Shit, most hippies I know write computer code.
DougJ
@Rick Taylor:
It’s possible I’m being too Media Matters about this. It irks me when Krugman is painted as far left, but I don’t have time to explain all of the backstory on that.
arguingwithsignposts
Aaron Shock is an idiot. So is David Brooks. I don’t know how Rachel could sit next to them without slapping the sh*t out of them.
Thanks, I feel better now.
Mike Kay
Ya know the Krugster is odd Dirty Fucking Hippie.
He supported NAFTA, every trade agreement in his lifetime, a war monger like Hillary during the primaries, and the Cadillac Tax.
Of course when he bashes Obama, the Dirty Fucking Hippies run his column up a flag pole. But when he supports the Cadillac tax, the VERY SAME Dirty Fucking Hippies pound him with an axe handle, saying he has no credibility since he supported NAFTA.
Gotta love the Dirty Fucking Hippies and their bong consistency.
ajr22
Hasn’t the Texas board of education cleared McCarthy’s name?
Kryptik
@DougJ:
Nah, it read off as a swipe at Krugman to me too, not at the questioner. There’s no reason he would’ve mentioned Krugman that way if it was a swipe at the questioner instead.
Mike Kay
@PurpleGirl:
Especially Jesus, Moses, and Lincoln.
Ailuridae
@media browski:
Thats not a bad summation of the past 30 or so years of macroeconomics in the US but it leaves out two Presidents who are often unfairly maligned but did a whole lot for the prosperous times in Carter and the first Bush. Appointing Volcker to run the Fed was a wise and courageous move. Raising taxes and attempting to address out of control defense spending was even more so on both counts.
Comrade javafascist
@Nylund: Exactly. These hippies aren’t going to punch themselves. (If they did, we’d call them by their proper name: teabaggers.)
Martin
@John Quixote:
In my experience, those are contradictory statements.
Zam
@Mike Kay: Of course that’s a Ron Paul boy, using big economic words without the slightest knowledge of what they actually mean to pretend they are a master economist.
danimal
While I’d rather have 60 dependable* votes than 59 or fewer, there is a definite upside to the current political environment. The triangulating Senate Dems are essentially powerless now. Their one true constituency, the Beltway press, has taken notice with Bayh’s resignation. The GOP obstruction is being noticed in a way that has been obscured for the past year. The GOP is acting like they have the majority already, and if anything pisses off the American people, it’s political hubris. Things are set up well for a Dem resurgence if jobs grow/HCR passes. I still believe the narrative changes dramatically in a positive way if HCR passes.
*We never had 60 dependable votes, a terrible assumption that has cost progressive policy dearly.
John Quixote
@Martin:
Hippies smoke pot = all pot smokers are hippies. Not my kind of reasoning, but it’s the CW.
Kryptik
@danimal:
That’s only if more of the population actually comprehends the Rep obstruction. Most (if any polling on the matter is to be believed, which it might not be) don’t quite gel to the 60-vote requirement and still think it’s only a simple majority, which the Dems do genuinely have.
ppcli
@ajr22:
True dat. And didn’t Ann Coulter prove that McCarthy was just a great patriot who was shamefully smeared by Commies?
slag
I’m pretty sure the definition of “free lunch” is planning to lower taxes as a means of increasing revenue.
Mark S.
A couple questions down:
I also read a book last week about WWII, and man, some of those Nazi guys were evil! I mean starting wars and committing genocide–give me a break!
GregB
Not only does Krugman have a beard but I have it on Broderian authority that he wears patchouli and Birkenstocks whenever he’s on Meet the
PudsPress.Kryptik
@slag:
Yeah? Well, that’s because you hate capitalism. Otherwise, you’d understand the genius of trickle-down economics and be happy with the puddle you get from top bracket’s vast swimming pool. See, it’s trickling down!
…wait. That’s not a swimming pool, that’s the outhouse. Whoops.
Mark S.
Ah, foiled by the dreaded soshalism!
I blame Krugman.
slag
@John Quixote:
Weird. Most the hippies I know may, in fact, be most the hippies you know. Actually, I wouldn’t be remotely surprised if most programmers are either liberals or libertarians. May be an “early adopter” thing.
Mike Kay
@Comrade javafascist:
Not so fast. Take Krugman for example, the DFH beat the shit outta him when he came out in favor of the Cadillac tax. They beat the shit outta every DFH like Nate Silver who endorsed HCR without a pony (public option). Stoooopid asss Jane Hamsher said she’s gonna primary the king of the Dirty Fucking Hipppies, Bernie Sanders because he voted for HCR. And he’s a socialist.
So yes, if you don’t hit their bong, then the DFH will savage their brethren, no matter how many times they bought the weed.
Mike Kay
@Comrade javafascist:
Not so fast. Take Krugman for example, the DFH beat the outta him when he came out in favor of the Cadillac tax. They beat the snot outta every DFH like Nate Silver who endorsed HCR without a pony (public option). Stoooopid azzz Jane Hamsher said she’s gonna primary the king of the DFHippies, Bernie Sanders because he voted for HCR.
So yes, if you don’t hit their bong, then the DFH will savage their brethren, no matter how many times they bought the weed.
Martin
@John Quixote: But if most hippy programmers are doing the John Lennon look (which is my experience) then I’d be correct. And almost all programmers over 50 that I know look more-or-less like Richard Stallman.
forked tongue
I’d never knowingly heard of Steven Pearlstein before the post yesterday, but seeing these two quotations in juxtaposition, I would have to say the answer is:
because he’s a fucking asshole, that’s why.
Kryptik
@slag:
That and holding the concept of ‘freedom of information’ as an ideal too, I think.
kay
@danimal:
Isn’t that the truth. They’re all in mourning. Steven Pearlstein isn’t even to mourning yet. He’s having a panic attack.
Weird they didn’t notice that nothing was coming out of the Senate before Bayh took a turn at the microphone.
They’re always 6 months behind.
I read the Pearlstein column this morning here, and I hoped he’d clarify just what he expects Obama to do, but he doesn’t. It’s just a collection of bromides about “leadership” and “working, 24/7”.
They’re going to have a lot of trouble giving up on their fantasy that there is this huge block of bipartisan centrist Senators. Obama has the Democrats on the Right, Center and Left. That’s all he’s got, and that’s all he ever had, and they’re difficult enough to round up. The idea that republicans are yearning to contribute to a policy discussion is bunk.
Kryptik
@kay:
Of course. They couldn’t feasibly justify blaming the Dems for the gridlock until Bayh came out with his concern trolling resignation.
Jahill10
@kay at #49
This x 10
Mike Kay
@kay:
Evan must of thrown some incredible dinner parties.
As you know, the beltway media (see Sally Quinn) is all about the dinner party circuit. Heck, even Jake Tapper did a segment on Nightline in 2006 about how the cocktail circuit played a roll in manufacturing beltway consent for the invasion of iraq.
slag
@Kryptik: That too.
I have whole theories about how geekery is an active form of subversion. Building worlds as you want them to be, democratizing tools and information, blah blah blah…don’t even get me started.
danimal
@Kryptik: The public understood the “up or down vote” mantra a few years ago. There is a reason the GOP leaders are nervous about meeting with Obama.
The point of the comment I intended to write was that the Beltway press is starting to take notice of GOP shenanigans. Somehow, I wound up writing something totally different.
God only knows how some topics become acceptable after they have been ignored for a year, but the you work with the CW that you have, not the one you wish you had.
danimal
@kay:
Truer words have not been written. If this one bit of wisdom leaks into the CW, the GOP is in for a world of hurt. And I think it will. The pendulum swings both ways.
Comrade javafascist
@Mike Kay: Point well taken. It seems these hippies do indeed punch themselves. So is there anyone that doesn’t like hippy punching?
kay
@Mike Kay:
Citizen’s United is polling at 22%. It’s a wildly unpopular decision, and it’s unpopular across partisan divides and income groups.
Obama came out strongly against that decision.
Republicans are united in opposition to any legislative efforts to reign in it in.
Maybe Pearlstein needs to stop talking in such broad and meaningless terms and cite something specific to back up his claim that all Obama has to do is “provide leadership” and the corporate shills in the Senate will pass something.
Martin
@kay: I bet it’d poll even lower if any of them had any idea what Citizen’s United was and who earned more rights here.
I wonder why the Supreme Court didn’t use the 527’s full original name Citizens United Not Timid (CUNT) in the decision?
Amok92
At least Pearlstein didn’t call him a Kantian Nihilist.
Max
Did you know that Obama is a Moderate Republican?
How do I know this? The PUMA’s tell me so. Linky.
I guess, since I’m a self-identified O-bot, I should go switch my party affiliation.
Bizarro world indeed.
Eric U.
do we really have to argue over the terms “hippie punching” and “dirty fucking hippies?” The whole point is that many to the left are sober, productive members of society, but we are dismissed like we are a batch of stoned know-nothings.
Wasn’t it Cheney that said that deficits don’t matter? Clinton proved that running budget surpluses was a good thing. Our marginal tax rate is too low, and it’s hurting our economy.
Kryptik
Only slightly OT, but you do have to realize Doug that this is the Washington Post we’re talking about.
I mean, their newest weekly columnist claims that Abu Zubdaydah thanked his torturers for waterboarding him. Christ, he claimed that Zubdaydah said “you must do this for all the brothers” and that it lifted a moral burden for him to resist talking.
This guy scored a weekly column with the editorial board, while Froomkin got the boot. There’s no substance to be had in the paper anymore outside of Eugene Robinson, Ezra Klein, and EJ Dionne.
kay
@Mike Kay:
“Eight in 10 poll respondents say they oppose the high court’s Jan. 21 decision to allow unfettered corporate political spending, with 65 percent “strongly” opposed. Nearly as many backed congressional action to curb the ruling, with 72 percent in favor of reinstating limits.
The poll reveals relatively little difference of opinion on the issue among Democrats (85 percent opposed to the ruling), Republicans (76 percent) and independents (81 percent).”
Let’s see where the alleged “centrists” in the Senate come down on this one. This is a test. If centrists go flocking to the hard Right side, maybe we can stop pretending this is about the “will of the people”.
Mike Kay
WOW!
Evan Bayh just popped up on MSNBC and HE (of all people) is calling for the filibuster to be scrapped — and get this, he blamed republican obstructionism!
I almost fainted.
Looks like Villagers are getting angry.
Kryptik
@Mike Kay:
You have to be shitting me. Bayh said this?
mr. whipple
I don’t think they are so stupid to believe these things will actually work. It’s a preemptive setup to blame Obama when it invariably doesn’t.
kay
@Martin:
Hah! Wait until they realize their state courts are packed with judges who were purchased.
My state supreme court was the subject of a really disturbing NYTimes analysis where their decisions tracked their campaign contributor’s “priorities”, in 2006.
Wait until they can’t get into a state court, as an individual litigant.
To me, it’s no fucking joke. We’re not talking about a legislature. We’re talking about the branch of last resort, and an individual’s once in a lifetime claim.
mr. whipple
@kay:
That’s interesting. I would think a smart political party might be able to make some hay on that.
I know, I’m probably dreaming.
Sentient Puddle
@Mike Kay:
Wait what?
…
OK, I re-tuned the frequencies in my brain, and this still isn’t computing.
Linda Featheringill
Thank goodness for the hippies, whatever it is they are doing and whatever is being done to them.
I think that Krugman draws a lot of criticism because he treats capitalism as if it were an economic system, rather than as a religion.
Anyone who starts talking about the beloved capitalism being a manmade system that can be altered, has been altered, and will be altered is likely to be insulted and yelled at.
We are just lucky that they no longer burn people alive for criticizing God-Established-Institutions.
Mike Kay
@Kryptik:
I was and I am beyond shocked.
he repeatedly attacked them for blocking non controversial legislation and basic executive branch nominees.
He’s canaries in the coal mine when it comes to CW.
geg6
Meanwhile, the new Contract for America II: Honky Bugaloo was signed today to kick off CPAC. As usual, the Rude Dude has the best take on it:
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
Zam
@Mike Kay: Don’t believe it, perhaps you have eaten a little too much acid.
cat48
I was impressed that the Villagers actually gently called out the Shelby shakedown, but then I don’t expect much from them. I was still angry about their bitching about the pork deals in the health bill so I sorta went bezerk on twitter a few days and kept sending links from blog posts to anchors to make sure they knew. So it made in on a few shows.
I’m not taking credit, but the spousal unit always says if you are angry enough to complain about something yourself; there are a lot of others also angry enough to act. So now I always quick to call, email, or tweet (really only way to reach on-air talent directly) someone responsible. One plus can turn into many.
Brian J
Let me simply turn the mic over to Brad DeLong on the ARRA:
mr. whipple
I don’t see any fun in punching hippies. It’s like beating baby pandas with sledgehammers.
The only time I wanted to punch a hippy was my own brother who relentlessly insisted on pushing his Grateful Dead tape collection on me.
Oh, and there were the Greens/Nadirites that kept telling me there was no difference between Bush and Gore. I wanted to punch them, too.
And then there was the guy that got up at a health care town hall and yammered ad infinitum that everyone should read this imprtant book that said if you just stopped eating meat and instead subsisted only on grains, all manner of disease would disappear and HCR wouldn’t even be necessary.
D.N. Nation
Eh. Krugs made an ass of himself misreading Obama last week. He’s owed a punch.
Mike Kay
Meanwhile, while Evan Freakin Bayh is coming out against the filibuster, DFH pin-up chris dodd is says the Filibuster should stay as it is.
Nice going DFH who supported Dodd in 2007.
Tom Hilton
@Citizen_X: ah, yes–I forgot the third category.
And of course all three overlap…
Ash Can
@Max: Actually, if this were 1972, it would be true. However, this is 2010, it’s not, and Taylor Marsh needs to wake the damned hell up.
@Mike Kay: Now he says this? Sounds like either he’s just trying to dick with someone, or one of his BFFs on the other side of the aisle hit him with a spitball and made him cry.
Kryptik
@Mike Kay:
Christ, Dodd, what happened to you?
TuiMel
@Tom Hilton:
Yes
Mike Kay
@Kryptik:
he was always a phoney.
He voted for the invasion, beating his chest on the senate floor with Edwards, calling Saddam a threat to US national security.
It was a pathetic display.
As for FISA, if he really wanted to, he could have shut down the senate using ever procedure trick in the book if he wanted to gum up the works, but he didn’t. He did just enough to trick the DFHs to make a contribution.
and lets not even go to the shit oversight job he did as chairman of the senate banking committee.
Ahh a Lion!
I think it’s because calling for inflation to solve a problem is retarded.
Ash Can
@geg6: LOL! Thanks for the reminder that I need to be reading this guy much more often than I do.
slag
@kay:
Sure. Because on no other issues have the “centrists” demonstrated–beyond a reasonable doubt–their ability to go against the “will of the people”. Not once. Ever.
slag
@Linda Featheringill:
Ding ding!
kay
@mr. whipple:
To me, Citizens will be a good barometer. Not of Republicans, because 1. I don’t care what they think, and 2. they are going to rely on Right wing legal dogma and their mad crush on Justice Roberts to defend the decision.
But of Democrats. Because they don’t have any cover like that, so if they oppose legislation to reign that decision in, I’d be really curious to know why.
kay
@slag:
They’ve had some cover, though. In media, certainly.
“The public hates the health care bill”. “The public hates the stimulus”.
In this case, they don’t have that. Everyone hates Citizens.
Comrade Scrutinizer
@PurpleGirl:
__
Not the girl hippies.
Comrade Scrutinizer
@mr. whipple:
__
And your point is?
slag
@kay: I admire your optimism. It’s been my observation that when they don’t already have cover, they eventually either get or make cover. Would be happy to be proven wrong.
geg6
@kay:
Ha! Seriously. Hell, here in PA, judges took payoffs to send innocent juveniles to prison without Citizens United. Now that private prison corporations will be shoveling the money at them, I expect our juvenile justice system will pretty much solve the whole unemployment problem with giant juvenile concentration camps blanketing the landscape from Philly to Pittsburgh.
demo woman
I haven’t read the comments yet… but he answered my question.
Roswell, Ga.: It’s interesting that you did not mention FDR. He was also a great leader but he also said that the “Only thing we have to fear is fear itself”. The previous President showed leadership by using fear whether by passing through trillion dollar tax cuts or invading Iraq. The country is being held hostage by a 60-vote system and a Republican party that wants the President to fail. What type of message would you like the President to send? Personally, I would like him to tell Congress and especially the Republicans who want to filibuster everything to put the country first. What do you think?
Steven Pearlstein: As I said, he should create urgency and focus the country’s attention on a few of these things. And making Republicans filabuster is a good way to do that. Look what happened when he and the press shined the spotlight on the holds on nominees put on by Sen. Shelby. The guy folded in a Alabama minute.
chrome agnomen
wish one of the blogmeisters here would post a clear definition of just what the DFH are reputed to stand for. as an old DFH myself i get pretty confused. respect for the land, fiscal responsibility both personal and national, non aggressive foreign policy, relaxed laws for marijuana use, community oriented behavior, help for the less advantaged; those are things i believe are important.
help me out here. hard to separate the wheat from the snark.
jl
What Perstein says is fine, except for that fact that it is not true.
Krugman is NOT a free lunch Keynesian.
Joseph Stiglitz, James K Galbraith, Brad DeLong, the Chrinstina Romer, Menzie Chinn and other reality based economists are not free lunch Keynesians.
The problem of long run structural deficits, and how to solve them is central to their rationale for design of countercyclical stimulus package.
demo woman
@kay: Look at the response he gave me.. See #95..
I guess all the President has to do is get the media on his side.
The Republicans have been filibustering for a year and that hasn’t given them negative press.
mr. whipple
@Comrade Scrutinizer:
Easy enough to do, but ultimately what’s the point?
kay
@demo woman:
Thanks so much for asking.
Personally, I think it’s sort of lame for journalists to insist that the President go around them to highlight something like obstructionism, and then go so far as to make specific suggestions about how he might do that.
They could have reported on it, right? I think there are 100 bills stuck in the Senate right now. 100. They could have reported on that. Then he wouldn’t have to go around them. He’d have some base-level factual information to work with.
Is it really Obama’s job to report on what Republicans in Congress are doing? Was the Shelby hold some deep dark secret? Didn’t TPM “break” the news of the Shelby hold?
kay
@demo woman:
And, not to be a pain in the ass to our esteemed media, but maybe they should explain this?
They sold this person with hours and hours of free coverage, and she can’t fill a room in Arkansas. Maybe they should explain why they told us she was this political phenom. They made it up?
Mike Kay
@kay:
What no 90,000 people at Mile High Stadium?
geg6
@Mike Kay:
Guess some “celebrities” can pull a crowd better than others, huh?
kay
@Mike Kay:
It’s a big venue, but the tickets were twenty bucks, and she’s down there among “her people”. Where the hell were they?
I’m a long-term Palin-popularity doubter. I got a robocall during the campaign where I was asked to go to a Palin event being held the next day, that was 4 hours away. I’m a registered Democrat, and I wouldn’t travel 4 hours for anyone’s campaign event, and no one I know can take off for the day with 8 hours notice. So why were they casting such a wide net? I thought she was filling those campaign events to capacity?
Chat Noir
@kay: Kay, I always enjoy your comments. I wish I could articulate my views as clearly, logically, and thoughtfully as you do. Maybe I’ll just nominate you as my Balloon Juice spokesperson.
: )
demo woman
Wouldn’t the money be better spent in Haiti?
Ailuridae
@Chat Noir:
I think a lot of us share that feeling about kay.
demo woman
@Chat Noir: I’m not sure if she will see this but I feel the same way.
When the trolls take over we lose the voices of those commenters that I enjoy reading.
Alan
The good “Prof. Krugman” just linked to this thread from his blog.
Harry R. Sohl
Someone was PAID to make and serve that lunch, bitch!