Getting serious for a minute, Rahm was almost certainly saying that attacking Dems in tough districts, thereby making it more likely that a Republican would win, is fucking retarded. And that’s undeniably true.
Attacking Ford, who is running in a Dem stronghold, for no apparent reason other than he likes bashing Dems, is not the same.
10.
Brian J
If Harold Ford really, really wanted to get back into politics, he should try to work on electing fellow Democrats. It doesn’t particularly matter if they are conservatives or liberals. In fact, I’d suspect, given his background, he’d be far more effective in the purple and red states. Really, what better way to earn some respect from the party as a whole by picking five candidate, like John Tanner’s replacement in Tennessee, and working his ass off to get them elected? Then, despite his conservative pasted, he’d have something to run on.
But what he’s doing now, which is trying to primary someone from the right in a deep blue state? Well, I want some of what he’s on.
11.
PurpleGirl
Ford has backing from some big money Manhattan donors who apparently don’t like Gillibrand. People he knows from the bank…
12.
dr. bloor
I guess there’s not much chance of Harold giving up his helicopter for an MTA monthly pass anytime soon.
BTW Doug, that post title is going to show up in at least one, if not both of the tabs tomorrow. Well played.
13.
G Newman
Bravo, Doug, on the riff on the historic headline!
@robertdsc: Seriously, if being a BJ front-pager doesn’t work out, DougJ definitely needs to be hired by The Onion or some other outfit that always needs catchy titles.
As far as Ford is concerned, I was asking myself what it would take for people to stop (pre-emptively, in my opinion) hating on the job Gillibrand’s done as senator. I now have an answer.
22.
RareSanity
I just can’t believe he is still trying…c’mon son!
He may as well just switch parties now and go full on tea-bagger. The logic is perfect, liberals hate him, so he must be good.
23.
Osprey
I know we NYers have foisted some horrible people onto the unsuspecting world (911iana), but I’m glad to see this piece of festering shit get what he deserves.
Sally’s words can no longer appear in the on-line style section, as well.
She may write about parties, but that will only appear in the faith section she partly edits.
It’s as if a sports writer was taken off both the print and online edition of the sports section, and was completely relegated to the fantasy league board.
26.
calling all toasters
DougJ: of all your awesome post titles, this outawesomes the most awesomest.
As far as Ford is concerned, I was asking myself what it would take for people to stop (pre-emptively, in my opinion) hating on the job Gillibrand’s done as senator. I now have an answer.
Ford is helping to get Democrats reëlected, but only in blue states by running against them.
Of course. Harold supported clinton and even after the primaries ended, he continually bashed Barack. The perfect PUMA.
33.
Wilson Heath
Harold Ford as a new alternate definition of “election fraud”?
34.
mr. whipple
From the annals of Journalistic Fail, Time Magazine, August 2006: Why Harold Ford Has a Shot
“The Congressman who is running to replace retiring Bill Frist as Senator from Tennessee has voted to outlaw gay marriage and to repeal the estate tax, and wants to amend the Constitution to ban flag burning. He supports getting rid of the handgun ban in the nation’s capital and says the Ten Commandments should be posted in courtrooms around his state. He favors school prayer, argues that more troops should have been sent to Iraq and wants to seal the border with Mexico. He likes to tell a story about the time he campaigned at a bar called the Little Rebel, which had a Confederate flag and a parking lot full of pickup trucks adorned with National Rifle Association bumper stickers. When he went inside, as he tells it, a woman at the bar greeted him with a hug and exclaimed, “Baby, we’ve been waiting to see you!”
de-lurking for a moment to note, anent La Quinn, that The Village has humiliated her because she’s become an operational liability. she exposes them too clearly for who they are. she’s the walking (well, staggering) definition of a gaffe.
Gillibrand is tough, she was never in any danger. She won in a brutal district to get to Congress. She won’t lose as an incumbent in a state with a 2:1 Democratic registration advantage.
DougJ OT
Since you often use “young bucks buying T-bone steaks”, I thought you might like what Al Sharpton told Tavis Smiley today after they got in a spar after Tavis started it by telling Al he wasn’t holding Obama accountable.
“While you were running around “BUCKDANCING” FOR BILL CLINTON”……
@unabogie: In fact not attacking Ford, is fucking retarded.
43.
PurpleGirl
@DougJ: Further that, Ford’s moves to primary Gillibrand come at the behest of Manhattan big money donors, not the state Democratic leaders (which leaders have other problems to worry about). As DougJ says, she won in a tough (and conservative) district. Some Manhattan people are mad that she was appointed by Paterson. I see it as an attack at him. Steve Rattner and Maureen White are not your average NYers, they have been mentioned as backers pushing Ford.
From what I’ve read of his statements, I do see him as a liar. He was at the Stonewall Democratic club to placate them over many of his past anti-gay statements. And they wanted to show him that he can’t lie his way out. That’s why I was tempted to attend their meeting. I want to show his backers that they can not force him onto NYers.
(I can’t stay up late tonight, so I wish everyone fun with this thread.)
Harold has some big money behind him and IMO they are going to try to ‘buy’ the Senate seat with (and for) him. I am not there but to me his ‘campaigning’ seems pretty laid back, almost assumptive of an outcome though right now he is claiming to be testing the waters.
Kirsten Gillibrand was (and still is in a lot of ways) a species of “outsider” in the NY Dem hierarchy: she was looked on by the downstate Machine honchos as an “upstate” hick, (and a lot of purity-troll kvetching over her gun issues). There was a lot of pissing and moaning when she was picked for the Senate over Caroline Kennedy (G*d knows why) or Carolyn Maloney (reliable Party hack) – and it was pretty widely assumed Gov. Paterson chose her basically to piss off his own critics.
Which hasn’t worked out all that well for David The Dim: as it stands now, he’s the one likely to be looking for a new job next year, while Gillibrand’s chances seem to going nowhere but up (being Chuck Schumer’s New BFF doesn’t hurt, either).
But it wasn’t necessarily a lock (still isn’t – not 100%): Kirsten still doesn’t seem to have the “gut” allegiance of the City Machine. But given the thinness of the Republican “bench” in this State, she’s looking good for a full term.
Kirsten Gillibrand was (and still is in a lot of ways) a species of “outsider” in the NY Dem hierarchy
Gillibrand an outsider? Umm, not exactly. Her family was and is completely wired into the Albany County Democratic establishment. Her maternal grandmother was Erastus Corning’s “closest confidante” (read into that what you will), and you can’t get any more inside than that in Albany unless you’re made into a character in one of William Kennedy’s novels.
So, basically the Big Money folks backing Ford are as clueless about their own local politics as any teabagger about local politics in, say, a typical coastal state?
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bob h
Perhaps Boston would be a better gig for Fancy Ford? We’ll need a challenger for Brown in 2012.
Sorry, you’re quite right of course; I DID know somewhat of Sen. Gillibrand’s political background, but I guess my comment was colored a bit by my residence here in NYC: the take on State politics is quite parochial here Downstate: probably because of the prevailing notion that Albany lies directly on (if not actually over) the Canadian border, and that the Arctic Circle runs just outside Buffalo….
“She may write about parties, but that will only appear in the faith section she partly edits.”
Parties…faith section. Parties…faith section. Does not compute.
53.
RobNYNY1957
Ford came across quite well, despite the childish antics. I had a much better opinion of him afterwards, at least partially because of the way he deal with the hecklers.
54.
benjoya
best title since “it’s only a paper, moon.”
55.
sacman701
If you came up with that headline yourself, +2. That’s good.
56.
EthylEster
But the City did not speak to Ford.
A bunch of LGBT folks spoke to Ford.
(And I agree with their message to him.)
However, facts don’t matter and haven’t mattered for quite a while. Awesome titles matter!
mr. whipple
Video?
robertdsc
LOL at your title-fu.
I’m glad Ford is being exposed for the fuckup he is. I hope Gillibrand stomps him flat come debate time.
Zam
Seriously why is he running? What does he think he has to offer?
soonergrunt
win
mai naem
Wait, isn’t this kicking another Democrat? Didn’t Rahmbo call this retarded? Ben, Mary and Joey want Harold in their gang of 5.
kommrade reproductive vigor
Good Christ, that is one flaming load of awesome.
DougJ
@Zam:
He’s light-skinned and he only speaks in a Negro dialect when he wants to. That, and he’ll raise a lot of bankster Benjamins.
In fairness, he’d probably beat Dan Senor or Mort Zuckerman in a general election.
PurpleGirl
I was tempted to go to that meeting but I ran around doing errands today and was too tired. I thought the idea was great when I heard about it.
unabogie
@mai naem:
Getting serious for a minute, Rahm was almost certainly saying that attacking Dems in tough districts, thereby making it more likely that a Republican would win, is fucking retarded. And that’s undeniably true.
Attacking Ford, who is running in a Dem stronghold, for no apparent reason other than he likes bashing Dems, is not the same.
Brian J
If Harold Ford really, really wanted to get back into politics, he should try to work on electing fellow Democrats. It doesn’t particularly matter if they are conservatives or liberals. In fact, I’d suspect, given his background, he’d be far more effective in the purple and red states. Really, what better way to earn some respect from the party as a whole by picking five candidate, like John Tanner’s replacement in Tennessee, and working his ass off to get them elected? Then, despite his conservative pasted, he’d have something to run on.
But what he’s doing now, which is trying to primary someone from the right in a deep blue state? Well, I want some of what he’s on.
PurpleGirl
Ford has backing from some big money Manhattan donors who apparently don’t like Gillibrand. People he knows from the bank…
dr. bloor
I guess there’s not much chance of Harold giving up his helicopter for an MTA monthly pass anytime soon.
BTW Doug, that post title is going to show up in at least one, if not both of the tabs tomorrow. Well played.
G Newman
Bravo, Doug, on the riff on the historic headline!
Mike Kay
@PurpleGirl:
Plus the PUMAs.
The PUMAs adore Helicopter Harold.
CalD
Very nice. Can’t anyone be civil anymore?
MikeJ
@CalD: What’s uncivil about calling a liar a liar?
eastriver
Get this bagger of carpets the hell out my city. I would surely like to see Gillibrand have to run for her money, but Ford is not the one.
Ideas?
eastriver
@MikeJ:
Too-shay.
Blue Raven
@CalD:
Get back to me about civility when I have my civil rights.
uila
OT, but I see Brauchli gave Quinn’s print column the axe… On-line only!
The shame…
parksideq
@robertdsc: Seriously, if being a BJ front-pager doesn’t work out, DougJ definitely needs to be hired by The Onion or some other outfit that always needs catchy titles.
As far as Ford is concerned, I was asking myself what it would take for people to stop (pre-emptively, in my opinion) hating on the job Gillibrand’s done as senator. I now have an answer.
RareSanity
I just can’t believe he is still trying…c’mon son!
He may as well just switch parties now and go full on tea-bagger. The logic is perfect, liberals hate him, so he must be good.
Osprey
I know we NYers have foisted some horrible people onto the unsuspecting world (911iana), but I’m glad to see this piece of festering shit get what he deserves.
MTiffany
@Zam:
Have you seen what votes in the Senate are selling for these days? How could any self-respecting bankster pass up that kind of opportunity?
Mike Kay
@uila:
no. it’s worse than that.
Sally’s words can no longer appear in the on-line style section, as well.
She may write about parties, but that will only appear in the faith section she partly edits.
It’s as if a sports writer was taken off both the print and online edition of the sports section, and was completely relegated to the fantasy league board.
calling all toasters
DougJ: of all your awesome post titles, this outawesomes the most awesomest.
DougJ
@calling all toasters:
Thank you.
rootless-e
pumas like harold?
I gotta say that Sean Wilentz is still near the top of my shitlist for his race-card essay during the primaries. that was despicable.
MikeJ
Ford is helping to get Democrats reëlected, but only in blue states by running against them.
eastriver
“CITY TO FORD: DROP DEAD”?
meh
Brian J
@MikeJ:
True, but I don’t know if Gillibrand was ever in any real trouble. Who’s going to beat her?
Perhaps he’d be ineffectual, but if he could help, he’d do far more to earn the favor of Democrats, I think, my limiting losses in the House.
Mike Kay
@rootless-e:
Of course. Harold supported clinton and even after the primaries ended, he continually bashed Barack. The perfect PUMA.
Wilson Heath
Harold Ford as a new alternate definition of “election fraud”?
mr. whipple
From the annals of Journalistic Fail, Time Magazine, August 2006: Why Harold Ford Has a Shot
“The Congressman who is running to replace retiring Bill Frist as Senator from Tennessee has voted to outlaw gay marriage and to repeal the estate tax, and wants to amend the Constitution to ban flag burning. He supports getting rid of the handgun ban in the nation’s capital and says the Ten Commandments should be posted in courtrooms around his state. He favors school prayer, argues that more troops should have been sent to Iraq and wants to seal the border with Mexico. He likes to tell a story about the time he campaigned at a bar called the Little Rebel, which had a Confederate flag and a parking lot full of pickup trucks adorned with National Rifle Association bumper stickers. When he went inside, as he tells it, a woman at the bar greeted him with a hug and exclaimed, “Baby, we’ve been waiting to see you!”
mr. whipple
@Mike Kay:
Bill Clinton predicted on day Ford would be President. LOL.
DougJ
@mr. whipple:
Do you have a link. God, that is good.
participle collider
de-lurking for a moment to note, anent La Quinn, that The Village has humiliated her because she’s become an operational liability. she exposes them too clearly for who they are. she’s the walking (well, staggering) definition of a gaffe.
DougJ
@Brian J:
Gillibrand is tough, she was never in any danger. She won in a brutal district to get to Congress. She won’t lose as an incumbent in a state with a 2:1 Democratic registration advantage.
phillip anderson
the title has won the internets. congrats!
cat48
DougJ OT
Since you often use “young bucks buying T-bone steaks”, I thought you might like what Al Sharpton told Tavis Smiley today after they got in a spar after Tavis started it by telling Al he wasn’t holding Obama accountable.
“While you were running around “BUCKDANCING” FOR BILL CLINTON”……
mr. whipple
@DougJ:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1223381-2,00.html
cheers!
Anya
@unabogie: In fact not attacking Ford, is fucking retarded.
PurpleGirl
@DougJ: Further that, Ford’s moves to primary Gillibrand come at the behest of Manhattan big money donors, not the state Democratic leaders (which leaders have other problems to worry about). As DougJ says, she won in a tough (and conservative) district. Some Manhattan people are mad that she was appointed by Paterson. I see it as an attack at him. Steve Rattner and Maureen White are not your average NYers, they have been mentioned as backers pushing Ford.
From what I’ve read of his statements, I do see him as a liar. He was at the Stonewall Democratic club to placate them over many of his past anti-gay statements. And they wanted to show him that he can’t lie his way out. That’s why I was tempted to attend their meeting. I want to show his backers that they can not force him onto NYers.
(I can’t stay up late tonight, so I wish everyone fun with this thread.)
freelancer
@DougJ:
I was confused by your hat-tip. WTF, this isn’t PBS?! He must’ve mixed his sources or some- OH! Powder Blue! Of Course!
DougJ
@mr. whipple:
Thanks.
DougL (frmrly: Conservatively Liberal)
Harold has some big money behind him and IMO they are going to try to ‘buy’ the Senate seat with (and for) him. I am not there but to me his ‘campaigning’ seems pretty laid back, almost assumptive of an outcome though right now he is claiming to be testing the waters.
I think Harold just got scalded.
Jay C
@Brian J: @PurpleGirl:
Kirsten Gillibrand was (and still is in a lot of ways) a species of “outsider” in the NY Dem hierarchy: she was looked on by the downstate Machine honchos as an “upstate” hick, (and a lot of purity-troll kvetching over her gun issues). There was a lot of pissing and moaning when she was picked for the Senate over Caroline Kennedy (G*d knows why) or Carolyn Maloney (reliable Party hack) – and it was pretty widely assumed Gov. Paterson chose her basically to piss off his own critics.
Which hasn’t worked out all that well for David The Dim: as it stands now, he’s the one likely to be looking for a new job next year, while Gillibrand’s chances seem to going nowhere but up (being Chuck Schumer’s New BFF doesn’t hurt, either).
But it wasn’t necessarily a lock (still isn’t – not 100%): Kirsten still doesn’t seem to have the “gut” allegiance of the City Machine. But given the thinness of the Republican “bench” in this State, she’s looking good for a full term.
burnspbesq
@Jay C:
Gillibrand an outsider? Umm, not exactly. Her family was and is completely wired into the Albany County Democratic establishment. Her maternal grandmother was Erastus Corning’s “closest confidante” (read into that what you will), and you can’t get any more inside than that in Albany unless you’re made into a character in one of William Kennedy’s novels.
gwangung
So, basically the Big Money folks backing Ford are as clueless about their own local politics as any teabagger about local politics in, say, a typical coastal state?
bob h
Perhaps Boston would be a better gig for Fancy Ford? We’ll need a challenger for Brown in 2012.
Jay C
@burnspbesq:
Sorry, you’re quite right of course; I DID know somewhat of Sen. Gillibrand’s political background, but I guess my comment was colored a bit by my residence here in NYC: the take on State politics is quite parochial here Downstate: probably because of the prevailing notion that Albany lies directly on (if not actually over) the Canadian border, and that the Arctic Circle runs just outside Buffalo….
Bulworth
@Mike Kay:
“She may write about parties, but that will only appear in the faith section she partly edits.”
Parties…faith section. Parties…faith section. Does not compute.
RobNYNY1957
Ford came across quite well, despite the childish antics. I had a much better opinion of him afterwards, at least partially because of the way he deal with the hecklers.
benjoya
best title since “it’s only a paper, moon.”
sacman701
If you came up with that headline yourself, +2. That’s good.
EthylEster
But the City did not speak to Ford.
A bunch of LGBT folks spoke to Ford.
(And I agree with their message to him.)
However, facts don’t matter and haven’t mattered for quite a while. Awesome titles matter!
Evinfuilt
@Mike Kay:
At least Fantasy League section admits its fantasy, she’s going to a place where they pretend its real.
Paul in KY
I think Ford is only running to try and beat Gillebrand up a bit (have her spend money, etc.) before she faces the ‘real’ repub.
Or he may be just more egotistical than I thought.