I wish I had more to offer. But if I did, I would make you listen to Fillmore East 71. Mud shark.
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I wish I had more to offer. But if I did, I would make you listen to Fillmore East 71. Mud shark.
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What’s your poison tonight, oh wise one?
A humble follower needs some advice on what to use to get through the coming winter storm.
a lovely little arpeggio
Really glad you didn’t go the extra mile.
Loved Zappa when I was thirteen. Changed my mind when I gained the maturity to know the difference between “cultural revolutionary” and “pompous, scatology-obsessed hosebag.”
But how are you going to throw up all night with a broken wing? Do you have the needed range of motion to hug the commode symmetrically?
Srsly, hope you pass out cold and unaware for the next eight hours and wake up tomorrow with nothing that two aspirin and some strong coffee can’t fix.
They thought Mozart was a pompous scatological douchebag too.
They were wrong on both accounts.
I never get tired of Muffins
Nor do I tire of Amadeus
…and so long as we have Adrian Belew playing with Frank, why not him playing with the Talking Heads? Rome 1980
I’ve always loved ‘Happy Together’ off of Fillmore East. The minor key makes the song so much better — it has to be one of the best cover songs ever.
Does it count as a cover if the guys singing (Flo and Eddie) are the ones who sang it originally with The Turtles?
I agree, though, that it is a fantastic version.
no poo poo jokes
calling all toasters
Yeah, I got tired of cultural revolutionaries in my teens, too.
@calling all toasters:
See also Jello Biafra.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
what’s in a mudshark? and how many did you have?
Too drunk for a rant? Come on, there must be something that is pissing you off….
calling all toasters
Come to think of it, when I saw Zappa at the old Palladium in NYC, I was drunk as a human could be.
Also, Mud Shark. To wit.
Sadly, can’t get drunk as hell these days. My tolerance got so high I could drink a fifth over a 5 hour period and barely be tipsy. Disappointing as that was, the amounts were still wrecking my stomach and probably liver.
Not being able to get drunk without death-level BAC, I decided to restrict it from every day to only on Saturday nights. So I haven’t had a drop in 4 days. Maybe by Sat the tolerance will have lessened and I can get a fifth and get properly blasted.
In the meantime, sobriety is kind of a pleasant vacation. Everyone at work is telling me “You look rested.” I know better than to tell my colleagues “That’s because in the six months we’ve worked together, this is the first time you haven’t seen me hung over.”
btw, if your liver gets distended, where does it poke out? My gut, slightly to the right of the belly button, is looking a little bloated. Is that where the liver shows? And if so, is that temporary?
Before we make this a tag, let’s take a look at Urban Dictionary first…
John, I er, I knew you were an O-bot, but I had no idear.
Christ, tyrese, you might want to get that looked at. That is definitely where your liver would show. Really bad cases of hepatitis distend your whole belly, but the liver is sort of tucked under your diaphragm on the right.
@Tattoosydney: You’re encouraging the man? Dear God I don’t think West Virginia could survive an explosion of that magnitude. Plus think of Lily, I beg thee, do not go down that dark path!
Okay enough hyperbole, how’s things?
Yep. I want a rant.
I’m not bad – I’m thinking of heading home, ordering pizza and sitting in front of the tv till my eyes explode. How you?
Hopefully it’s just inflammed, and not cirrhosis. I’m cutting the drinking back to once a week. The liver does have regenerative properties, and I’ve only been drinking heavily for about 5 years….
Anyone else up watching the Sweden/Slovakia hockey game? 3-2 Slovakia after two..
On a complete side note, my cat just came out from under the couch for water, and instead of going to her water bowl licked condensation off the window and crawled back under it to go to sleep. Anyone else have cats who drink from anything that isn’t their water bowl? Other favorites include my water glasses, a filling pitcher, and even the water for the fish tank. She even has a cocktail or two she snags a sip of when I’m doing something else…
@Tattoosydney: I was seriously considering ordering pizza for dinner tomorrow, especially since a chain here has this really tasty veggie pizza (no I’m not a vegetarian) and I’ve been pretty good with food all week so I feel like indulging.
That and someone has just called me twice and I have no clue who it is. Since I know someone else had this number before me I’m choosing to ignore them unless they can be bothered to leave a voicemail and identify themselves. My guess is either drunk or butt dialing.
@wmsheppa: I was watching the Finland – Czech Republic game at work and I kept thinking I REALLY want one of the Finn away jerseys.
James in WA
I don’t mean to interrupt, but holy sweet lamprey of sante fe does that sound good.
How are the white parts of your eyes? Are they a bit yellow? If so, seek help immediately and cut out drinking altogether. Seriously, I’ve seen way too many liver patients come through our hospital doors and receive a transplant only to be back with other procedures and almost guaranteed complications. It is not a road you want to go down.
Kinky. I’ve never heard it called that before.
You go out
So far out
You do the Mudshark, baby …
From more or less the same tour … http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/mothers-of-invention/concerts/fillmore-west-november-06-1970.html
Most of it’s comedy music (had to see it) but the “Call Any Vegetable” is pretty good.
@James in WA:
Yep. Extra pepperoni and anchovies. Yum.
No, trust me, I’ve been checking the eyes. No signs of Jaundice. And even though it’s in the right spot to be an inflammed liver, I tihnk it might just be an inflamed stomach. My stomach is kinda wrecked from booze and waaaay too much coffee, and the stomach ulcer pain seems to come from about the same place as the swelling.
Sorry if anyone’s grossed out.
@Tattoosydney: Tell me your husband appreciates your love of the little fishies. I’m the only one in my family who can stand them. I love them, especially cooked in olive oil until they melt with a ton of garlic on spaghetti. Fantastico.
No more ten drinks a day. :-(
But you’re right, not a road I want to go down. I’m hoping that since I’m young (32), none during the week and 8 drinks on Saturday will be a compromise which the liver will be able to handle.
Nup. Hates them (except when I use them as a flavour base in casseroles and don’t tell him they are there).
A doctor I talked to in NC while on vacation last year said in his exp binge drinking on the weekend doesn’t cause liver failure, but a 6-pack a day for 20 years does. His opinion was that a week of recovery time allowed the liver to regenerate, whereas giving it a moderate beating every day for decades did much worse damage. But this was one doc, so take it for what that’s worth.
James in WA
ZOMG, anchovies! Such a widely misunderstood flavoring, but so good, when done well.
What progressive/liberal government entitlement program do I apply to in order to get reimbursed for the keyboard that is about to short out from my drooling? Maybe George Saros can just cut me a check?
Heh. I do the exact same thing with eggplant and my little brother. He’s a total whore for parmigana but if I dress up the eggplant just right he scarfs it down and loves it. I never have gotten around to exposing my trickery, especially since it’s a sneaky way to get a veggie in him.
This Fillmore East is better.
Always. Boris insisted on drinking out of the bathroom glass for some reason and preferred drippy faucets to bowls. The Drinkwell pet fountain is awesome, though — everyone loves it. The Platinum is easier to clean than the original (though still kind of a pain in the ass), so I would recommend that version.
Charlotte decided to drink some of G’s leftover coffee one time. She was extra-bouncy for an hour or two, which is like saying the Northridge earthquake was extra-bouncy.
Man, I picked Slovakia for the possible suprise upset for a medal, but I’m going to be crushed if they beat Sweden.
I almost don’t want to watch the last 15 minutes and just check the score in the morning.
@Yutsano: The Finn/Czeck game was good, and I could definitely go for a Selanne away jersey.
I was watching the Switzerland/US game at work today when my boss walked in to ask if I was going to finish a project with a deadline of later today… that was akward (finished it, luckily).
@Mnemosyne: My cats have a water bowl that they’ll use. However, they both will obsess over the water in the toilet much more and insist upon that as their first watering source. I’ve come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a normal cat.
@wmsheppa: We have way too many sports fans at my work. We honestly threatened to riot if we couldn’t have some sort of sports watching device. He came up with two sweet plasmas on the walls. Maybe you should try that tactic as long as it doesn’t affect productivity (it doesn’t seem to affect ours).
James in WA
heh. I hated eggplant as a child, because my mom boiled it. Who eats boiled eggplant?
My gf now makes amazing eggplant creations that I just can’t get enough of. It’s all about dressing the plant up, alright.
@jacy: What’s your allegiance to Sweden? I’m pretty indifferent on this one… US and Canada were my teams today, so I’m pretty happy on the whole.
Boris’ dream was to be allowed to drink out of the bathtub faucet so he wouldn’t have to contort himself like he did to drink out of the sink. We denied him for years (because we’re just mean like that) until he was terminally ill and we finally broke down. I swear the happiness of finally getting his way kept him going longer than he would have otherwise.
Ugh. Migraine coming on. I’m gonna have to bug out early.
Stupid change in the weather. If this is sunny California, why is there water dripping from the sky?
Careful with the painkillers & alcohol, if you’re still taking them.
@James in WA:
I don’t wanna know. Seriously. I can’t think of a single culinary reason for boiling eggplant. Not even to leach out the bitterness (the Mediterranean method is so much more effective without damaging the texture or flavor) so yeah I’m gonna sit here and just boggle. Glad you came around though. Eggplant is nummy stuff to me.
@Mnemosyne: I never bother to train cats. They’re just gonna train me to conform to their wishes anyway.
@jacy: Last shot wins…
@Yutsano: While I was working out west, I’d go into work early and leave early to catch playoff games. We’ve kind of settled on the “we can listen to streaming radio/have streaming video in the background” arrangement for when we’re working during games, as long as shit gets done on time. Hasn’t backfired yet.
@Mnemosyne: We have floor to ceiling windows in our apartment, and they always get fogged up and drip on the carpet, so we kind of tacitly encourage the condensation drinking… cleaning tongue marks off the window is easier than dealing with moldy carpets.
Saw that particular band in 1972 in Claremont CA. Most excellent show. My favorite of all Zappa’s bands.
On a side note, a HS friend of mine saw the Turtles in the late 60s and was grossed out by the show. Apparently Flo and Eddie kept the same schtick going no matter what band they were in.
I’m of half-Swedish extraction, and Peter Forsberg is my all-time favorite player. I also have a fondness for Sundin and Naslund.
But I have been halfway rooting for Slovakia too, and I’d like to see them medal, so I guess there’s always that.
I’m glad the hockey isn’t disappointing this go-round. The Czech/Latvia game the other night was great.
James in WA
Yeah, to me too. So much so, now that I’m living with someone who really knows how to cook the stuff, that I’m growing them in northwest washington— and lemme tell you, that’s not easy. But I’m the gardener, and she’s the chef. We do what we must.
@jacy: Forsberg, Naslund, Sundin, and Lidstrom are a few of the classiest and best hockey players I’ve ever seen. That said, I find it kind of hard to root against Slovakia, especially after their upset of Russia.
Olympic hockey this year has been uniformly fantastic. The Swiss also really came to play and gave the US (twice) and Canada a real run for their money.
I’m just hoping for a rematch of the US/Canada in the Gold Medal game. Given how intense the first one was, I can’t even imagine what that would be like…
@jacy: I was partial to the Latvia home jerseys too. Hell I just love all kinds of hockey jerseys. They really are very comfy to wear.
@wmsheppa: That situation would be very dangerous for me. I work with a Canadian who is showing her national pride especially during the hockey tournament. It wasn’t fun to be around her when Canada lost to the US. I was bummed too being of Canadian descent so they’re my team if the US somehow gets knocked out.
Tyrese, I grew up with an alcoholic and have heard every rationalization in the book, including yours.
You won’t ‘find a way’ to be a heavy drinker without getting addicted or getting sick.
Consider that your brain, as well as your liver, will eventually be irreparably damaged.
My mom died from oral cancer caused by drinking and smoking, the deadliest combination there is. Before she died, she lost her tongue, all of her teeth and part of her throat.
And she quit drinking five years before she contracted the cancer.
If you can’t drink moderately, once in a while, don’t drink at all.
@Yutsano: I’m a Penguins fan, so Canada is my team if the US ends up losing. Hockey jerseys are incredibly comfortable… just warm enough without being too heavy. Nice compromise between a long sleeved shirt and a sweatshirt.
@jacy: Sorry about the Swedes, they played a hell of a game. Slovakia/Canada should be an interesting game on Friday.
Right, now I can finally go to sleep, work in what… 6 and change hours? Lovely.
@wmsheppa: I’ve said for years Seattle needs an NHL team. I love the T-Birds but it would be great to have major league hockey in Key Arena. I’ve been to a game there and it was amazing. I really really wish they’d upgrade but it hasn’t happened yet. I’m sure it will come with another public stadium demand and the last team that tried that…is in Oklahoma now.
Well, by default I guess I’m rooting for a Slovakian upset at this point. Was a good game.
Oh, I love hockey jerseys. My S/O collects jerseys, so we have a closet-full of everything from juniors to NHL. I have my Forsberg jersey, which I’ve about worn out. I don’t like the Reebok Edge jerseys though. I’m waiting for them to go back to classic cut sweaters before I’ll ever buy another one.
The brain can be protected from booze. That’s caused by alcohol’s interference with thiamine absorption in the intestines. You can take big doses of B vitamins and overcome that.
Too bad the other organs can’t be protected.
@Yutsano: Las Vegas too… I was a Wranglers season ticket holder while I was out there, and the fans know their shit. Really into the games as well. I now have two Las Vegas Wranglers jerseys hanging in my closet and am 2,000 miles from their home games. Whoops.
@jacy: I already know this lesson. Get as close to authentic player wear as you can get. CCM is worth every single penny you’ll shell out for it because, well, it was designed to go through much rougher conditions than you’ll most likely ever subject it to. They will last you forever and a day although they probably won’t last in the coloring department.
@wmsheppa: I think Vegas is ripe for a major professional team of some sort. I mean, if they can get them in Phoenix why the hell not?
@wmsheppa: My Raven likes to drink from the tap, but only after I pet him for a bit and he nuzzles said tap. Both boys like to drink from the tub–with me in it. I consider it their nightly tea. They will drink from a mug if I let them–I don’t.
Hi, hubbies! I had pizza tonight–from the supermarket, at a friend’s house. Spicy Italian spicy–my fave. She threw on some green and orange peppers and mushrooms. We watched Horrors of Spider Island with the MST3K guys. The movie itself was laughably bad, which was exactly what I needed.
You guys can keep the anchovies–they are not my fave.
I’m not trying to rationalize anything, though, I know my previous 10 drinks a day was too much. What I’m wondering now, though, is, since I’ve been told that for someone my age and weight and sex, 3 drinks a day is not too much, if my new schedule of no drinks 6 days a week and 8 or 9 one day a week is too much or destructive.
@jacy: Also I know some ECHL teams still use classic cut jerseys, even if they are Reebok. Las Vegas’ team is one, and they have some fun ones. I think sometime in the next week or two they’re doing one inspired by the Girl Scouts uniforms and auctioning off the game worn autographed jerseys for charity…
My Raven likes to drink from the tap, but only after I pet him for a bit and he nuzzles said tap. Both boys like to drink from the tub—with me in it. I consider it their nightly tea. They will drink from a mug if I let them—I don’t.
Hi, hubbies! I had pizza tonight—from the supermarket, at a friend’s house. Spicy Italian spicy—my fave. She threw on some green and orange peppers and mushrooms. We watched Horrors of Spider Island with the MST3K guys. The movie itself was laughably bad, which was exactly what I needed.
You guys can keep the anchovies—they are not my fave.
The french advise men to drink no more than 5 drinks per day. I like those guys :-)
“Anchovies, anchovies, you’re so delicious.
I love you more than all the other fishes.” -Dawn, from Buffy
In order: blech, yum, yum. I love ripe peppers, cannot stand green ones. Never have. Even when I make trinity for Cajun/creole cooking I use a red or yellow one. Probably one of the very few foods I can’t stand. That and tapioca.
@Yutsano: We all have our dislikes. As I’ve said, mine are kiwis and water chestnuts.
@asiangrrlMN: Heh. I was hoping you’d snap that comment number up. It’s funny cause I will try things no one else will, regardless of how exotic or foreign they sound. In fact the further out there the better in my opinion.
The red pepper thing? I fully expect to get chewed out by jeffreyw & South of I-10 over that. Don’t care, not changing.
@Yutsano: I was trying for #69, but FYWP. Grrrrr.
Whatever. You like what you like. No excuses, no apologies.
@asiangrrlMN: You got there by my reckoning, so maybe it’s just your view of it. FYWP anyway just on general principle.
I’m pooped so I’m calling it a night. If FH # 1 comes back make sure you get a full report on the numminess of the pizza. Night hon.
@Yutsano: Yeah, I’m wiped out, too. Night.
@Tattoosydney: Just in case you come back — been waiting to show you this site:
Honest Dog Arts
Haven’t ordered from them myself, but I thought you’d find the floral tote with the smiling Cattle Dog amusing. Reminded me of your Pedro photos!
@Tattoosydney: In case you check back — been wanting to link you a site:
Honest Dog Arts
Thought you’d find the ‘tropical’ tote with the smiling Cattle Dog amusing… reminded me of your Pedro photos.
FYWP is drunker than John Cole, apparently — it won’t accept my comment and now it’s telling me I can’t resubmit a “duplicate”.
Try it w/o links: TattooSydney, if you click on http://www.honestdogarts.com, there’s a “tropical” tote on the Australian Cattle Dog page with a smiling ACD who reminds me of your Pedro…
Good grief. Cut back or stop. In the meantime, get some Milk Thistle (herb) from your local health food store — comes in pills and tea form. It has shown amazing properties of restoring damaged liver tissue in Mayo Clinic tests.
Tyrese, sounds exactly like what I’d been doing until I quit entirely in the month of January.
February, I’ve been trying the “only on weekends” thing and it hasn’t worked. I’m probably just going to have to give up rum altogether. Damn it. I LIKE rum. I LIKE drinking. But I can’t drink rum in moderation any more. And it was affecting my ability to write.
Oddly, I can drink a single beer or a glass of red wine and quit. I crack open a bottle of Bacardi, though and it’s gone before bedtime.
The Vanilla Fudge were a bunch of preverts.
Must put Zappa at the Fillmore in ’71 on the list of great live albums of all time.
Never stops making me laugh, and I haven’t heard it in years. Thanks for the reminder.
“What’s a girl like you
doin’ in a place like this”
Do you like my new car? Yeah, real futuristic, it’s a Fillmore isn’t it? I dig the fins…
71 at the Fillmore East… what a way to end that place. Zappa.
Mud Shark… all groupies must bow down…
John, it would be a good idea to think about treating your booze problem.
South of I-10
@Yutsano: You are completely wrong!! No, I kid. Red pepper is frequently overused. You can’t dump a bunch of red pepper on something and call it Cajun. It is good in very small doses. Always shoot for well seasoned, not so hot your eyes water.
Drunk as hell but no throwing up
Half way home and my pager still blowing up
Today I didn’t even have to use my A.K.
I got to say it was a good day.
Dude, if you’re spending ANY time figuring out how to protect your brain and liver from what you do to them, then you’re drinking…
Normal people don’t EVER think about their livers or their brains WRT alcohol. Never.
I rarely agree with Michael D. about anything, but he’s absolutely right. Continuing to do something that you know is dangerous to your health, coming up with rationalizations for continuing to do it, and trying to think of ways to minimize the damage so you can keep doing is a very bad sign.
“Mud Shark” trivia: the Edgewater Hotel of the song is still there, although the fishing pole rentals were discontinued loooong ago.
Living in Seattle at the time the album came out, we were quite proud Frank threw us a bone. Also too, “creamed corn.”
I didn’t see him/her rationalize his/her drinking, just talk about how to continue in a less dangerous manner.
@Mnemosyne: I bet we agree on most everything politically. :-)
Er, no. He is trying to find a way to rationalize doing something differently because is unable to stop doing it. Less dangerous is still very dangerous when you are an alcoholic.
@Michael D.: I for one admire his pluck, and his “necessity’s the mom of invention” can-do spirit.
Death Panel Truck
Hi boys and girls, I’m Jimmy Carl Black, and I’m the Indian of the group….
Never liked the Flo & Eddie-era Mothers. Zappa in the Sixties was righteously pissed off at American society and parodied it brilliantly. Problem was, no one noticed. Masterpieces like Absolutely Free, We’re Only In It For The Money and Uncle Meat were all but ignored. By the end of the decade, Zappa no longer wished to be a lone prophet howling in the wilderness, so he turned to softcore porn. From then on, his best work was that which had no lyrical accompaniment.
Death Panel Truck
Dude, I’m not going to be nice about it: you’re a fucking alcoholic headed for an early grave. Either get some help or buy a cemetery plot, ’cause it’s gonna come in handy sooner than you think if you keep drinking.
It played better to me when I was really fucked up, but it still is pretty funny.
Yeah. Mud shark.