My God. If Barry Melrose and Liberace were to mate, the spawn would look like Don Cherry just did a moment ago.
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My God. If Barry Melrose and Liberace were to mate, the spawn would look like Don Cherry just did a moment ago.
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Max
I have no idea about the rules or strategy of hockey, but it’s fun to watch, especially when I’m jonesing for the NFL.
Go USA! Kick some Canuck ass, eh!
ETA – The Bills aren’t resigning TO. He’s a free agent and the Ravens have shown interest. Sorry for you Ravens fans.
Cat Lady
Pimpin’, hockey style. WTF?
moe99
I always used to lose at Trivial Pursuit when the subject of “hockey” was selected.
JenJen
We must defeat Canada for no other reason than that Don Cherry suit.
Glad to hear you’ve got your cable back, Cole!
CRUSH THE CANUCKS
Linda Featheringill
Yes, it is off topic but . . . .
The weekend has started! Tomorrow is a day of lazxiness!
Hooray! Hooray!
[enjoy the game]
mr. whipple
I see Oliver Willis is back to hilarious/furious tweeting for the game.
Go Merka!
John Cole
@JenJen: It really doesn’t matter how many times you see Cherry in his game day gear, it is still shocking every time.
MikeJ
Ok, I’ll be the only one here to cheer for our neighbour to the north.
O, Canada!
John Cole
Besides, do you know what I would do to hear the Canadian broadcast of this game instead of Al Michaels trying to explain what the blue line means to Americans who never watch hockey?
IanY77
Shut up!! That man is a national treasure!!
Seriously, I have the Canadian and American feeds alternating. It is entertaining, at least more so than comparing the coverage of Canadian and American College Football. That’s just depressing. The crowds, the graphics, the announcers….sigh.
mr. whipple
@John Cole: probably be able to find a stream on the internets.
Max
@John Cole: Leave Al Alone! Al has his Hockey Pass (much like a Hood Pass) for the 1980 game alone.
Omnes Omnibus
@IanY77: Don Cherry or Al Michaels?
licensed to kill time
@John Cole: I believe he is wearing some type of wallpaper.
Max
Has Disney bought the rights to Ryan Miller yet?
IanY77
Omnes Omnibus: Cherry. I’m from Ottawa.
Josh Huaco
Today we finish what we started in 1812. ‘Murrica, f*ck yeah!
Omnes Omnibus
@IanY77: That’s cool. There is a far better case for him as a national treasure than there is for Michaels (Miracle ’80 notwithstanding).
All that being said, Go USA!
Tsulagi
USA! USA!
Carrie
@IanY77:
No shit, so am i.
mr. whipple
Damn this is great. Yelling, screaming, cats running away!
Cat Lady
Lots of red in that crowd. I wish I was watching with my Canadian hockey loving father- he’d be crazy watching this, and he’d know every Don Cherry story, who apparently played only one game with the Broonz before he coached them. He’d love wide screen HD too – seeing the puck! What a concept!
IanY77
Carrie: Nice to meet a fellow Ottawaer.. ..Ottawonian.. ..Ottawaite.. ..Ottagonian.. ..whatever the heck it is we call ourselves, on one of my favourite blogs.
Punchy
Canada ’10 is almost identical to USSR ’80. A gold is expected, and not even newsworthy. Like chicks ODing on chocolate or the Cubs overpaying for average pitching talent. WAAAAAYYY too much pressure on the Eh’s, nothing but upside for the boyz in blue.
USA gunna win this 3-1. MillerTime in the pipes is just unfuckingreal. 0.954 save percentage? Just SICK.
Comrade Mary
I have a beer. I have an emergency backup beer. I am terrified of sitting in front of the television, beer or no beer.
Help me, guys!
MikeJ
@Josh Huaco:
February 12 – Napoleon authorizes the usage of Mesures usuelles, the basis of the Metric System.
or
February 27 – Poet Lord Byron gives his first address as a member of the House of Lords, in defense of Luddite violence against Industrialism in his home county of Nottinghamshire.
Omnes Omnibus
@Comrade Mary: Have you considered beer? It might help.
Comrade Mary
“We” did a thrifty makeover of your presidential residence in 1812, I believe.
And we turned you away from our border with the help of a chocolate-loving woman and her cow, too.
Max
Welcome to America… where our President is Black, our beer is weak and we know how to say “about”.
Go USA!
Carrie
She made the best chocolate puddin’.
Omnes Omnibus
@Max:
I would take a New Glarus Spotted Cow over a Carling anyday. Other than that, I agree.
Omnes Omnibus
@Carrie: The US was defeated by pudding? Hmmm.
IanY77
Crap, that was close.
mr. whipple
Nothing we can do about the arson now, but we want the Louis IX commode back.
Dan Robinson
Don’t know about Cherry, but I like Miller’s helmet.
Josh Huaco
@Comrade Mary:
Heh. Full disclosure: My ex- and I honeymooned in Vancouver 12 years ago and I loved it all.
MikeJ
@Comrade Mary: And it happened because of a clear violation of the third amendment. Had the US not illegally quartered troops in her house she would have never learned their plans.
Omnes Omnibus
Crap.
mr. whipple
Ok, so we spotted them 1.
Dan Robinson
Damn! Miller couldn’t get that one!
Carrie
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’m telling y’a, it was good pudding.
Punchy
OK, maybe not. US just gave up easy rebound goal. Yikes.
Andy K
@Comrade Mary:
So if you’re going to take credit for that, will you also admit to running through the briars and the brambles in Louisiana?
Just Some Fuckhead
@Max:
Eek.
Comrade Mary
My relatives just stayed home and made some awesome tourtiere. I will give Louisianans credit for talking real pretty, though.
(1-0? Really? Um, woo-hoo?)
Dork
Um, no.
Yutsano
@Comrade Mary: Try WOOT!! I’m all about the ancestral homeland today. :)
asiangrrlMN
Shit. Tense game. Had to see what BJers were saying aboot it! Now, back to the trenches.
U-S-A! Or not.
asiangrrlMN
@Yutsano: I see you commandeered the remote at work like you
promisedthreatened.Dismayed Liberal
Woo Toews!
If Canada wins this game, it sets a record for the most gold medals ever won at home in a Winter Olympics. Big if at this point though. Big if. I don’t like how well the Americans are playing. Not one bit.
mr. whipple
Yes, but you have to deduct 5 golds for every man killed.
Xenos
@mr. whipple: That rule does not count for the luge, as those guys are certifiably suicidal. Picking off competition in the biathalon, that would count.
Dismayed Liberal
Its sister sport is called skeleton, for crying out loud.
TR
These power plays are killing me.
mr. whipple
@Xenos:
No, stupid engineering/placing steel I bars next to the track doesn’t count as suicide.
Plus, deduct 4 golds for the cheesy opening ceremony and 2 more for the torch thingy not working.
mr. whipple
Jeebus, we wasted this power play.
Carrie
Et le But!
demo woman
not good
mr. whipple
Argh.
Oh well, gonna go out and shovel snow.
Wile E. Quixote
@John Cole
Yeah, you can say that because you’re in West Virginia, but if you went anywhere in Canada and started dissin’ Don Cherry like that they would fuck you up one side and down the other. If Canada has a religion it’s Hockey Night in Canada.
Yutsano
YEE-HAW!! Where’s RedKitten she should be screaming her head off right now!
Morbo
Miller would have had to stop time to make that save.
Spiffy McBang
That may have been the worst power play I’ve ever seen. Ever.
Krissed Off
so what’s all the fuss aboat, eh?
Andy K
@Wile E. Quixote:
Not so much in Quebec. Cherry’s made some ugly statements about francophones in the past.
Yutsano
@Spiffy McBang: You must not have watched Finland – Slovakia last night then. Two-man power play and Finland couldn’t move the puck worth a damn. A brilliant third period is the only thing that saved their skins.
FIGHT IN THE GOAL! FIGHT IN THE GOAL!!
@asiangrrlMN: It’s sitting on my desk and it’s going nowhere!
Spiffy McBang
@Yutsano: No, I haven’t had a chance to watch any game before this, either because it’s on MSNBC (which Comcast doesn’t carry here- wtf) or I’m not home. That’s why I refrained from calling it the worst power play in the history of organized hockey, just in case.
At the moment, it looks like the Americans have forgotten how to play high-level hockey. There’s this “wtf do we do with this rubber thing” aspect to them that wasn’t there in the first period.
Edit: And one minute later the broadcasters say the same thing. Get me on that television!
Josh Huaco
I’ve always been a little perplexed as to why a game as violent and fast-paced as hockey is so minor here in the US.
Comrade Mary
I’ve opened my first beer and will try my first “woot!”
Ahem.
Woot?!
I hope that doesn’t jinx things. Gosh, I’d feel so apologetic if it did.
EDIT: Josh, a reporter on the CBC just showed today’s Washington Post sports section. The game was mentioned on page 13.
Spiffy McBang
FIRST FIRST FIRST FIRST
Not over!
batgirl
@Comrade Mary: Hey Comrade, can you open that second beer now? Don’t need to finish the first.
;-)
Comrade Mary
It was my fault! It was my fault!
(Oh God, am in more trouble for drinking or would it be worse to actually waste a nice Canadian beer by pouring it down the sink?)
EDIT: Have forcefully peed out 2 ounces of beer. The things I do for our boys.
jacy
@Wile E. Quixote:
I have my Don Cherry action figure right here.
Yes, I collect Hockey action figures. They’re not toys, they’re collectibles. Someday my children will fight over them at my wake.
And I also have my Hockey Night in Canada cap – which I’m sure most people in Louisiana do not recognize.
Josh Huaco
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Yutsano
Sheesh y’all get excitable over the US getting a goal finally. You do know Canada still has two, right?
EDIT: There’s gonna be a brawl before this game is over. The tempers are flaring out there and they’ve come close like three times already.
Spiffy McBang
@Josh Huaco: No, it wasn’t over until the Swiss raided Omaha Beach.
PaulW
Anybody remember my dinner plans?
mr. whipple
2 Goal Canadian= 1 Goal American.
Comrade Mary
Right. I’ve figured it out now.
We were ahead by two because I made up a small batch of Yorkshire pudding batter, based on my Québecois dad’s recipe, but because I only baked and ate half of it, this messed with the universal balance of Yummy Baked Things in the Universe.
So I just went to the fridge, buttered another ramekin, and preheated the oven. Once I get the rest of it baked, we’ll have scored another two goals and will be well in the lead.
Or not, but at least I’ll have Yorkshire pudding. It’s foolproof, I tell ya.
Andy K
@jacy:
Dolls. They’re dolls. They sit there. There’s no action involved.
Yutsano
@Comrade Mary: Just out of curiosity, how do you make Yorkshire pudding without beef drippings?
Svensker
@Comrade Mary:
French in Canada make Yorkshire pudding? Life is weird.
Morbo
The pace was getting crazy at the end of that period. US defense has to improve or else the back and forth is going to favor the Canadians.
Comrade Mary
My dad spent time in Britain during the war and came back an Anglophile who loved Carry On movies (well, those came after the war) and Yorkshire pudding.
And Yutsano, the answer is, as always, butter. LOTS of butter. It’s great with beef drippings, no mistake about it, but butter is no slouch, either.
Yutsano
@Svensker: Just be thankful she’s not making poutine. Nastiest food from up north evah. I can’t even look at pictures of it without getting nauseous. And they scarf it up in Québec.
@Comrade Mary: Intriguing. I may just haz to try that at some point.
One period left and I’m getting that pit in my stomach.
Omnes Omnibus
@Yutsano: Scrapple.
Linkmeister
I had to look: Hockey Night in Canada ball caps!
Fern
Damn. Sometimes I wish I had a television.
Can’t believe I care about this game, but apparently I do.
Josh Huaco
(googles ‘poutine’—wishes he hadn’t)
Omnes Omnibus
@Omnes Omnibus: For those who don’t know it: Scrapple
asiangrrlMN
@Yutsano: Would love to try poutine at some point. And, I agree. There will be a fight before this game is over. BRING IT!
Yutsano
@Linkmeister: Holy cwap! ME WANT!!
@Josh Huaco: I done warned you dude. Of course I don’t like most of what’s in it anyway, putting it all together like that? EEWWW!!
Svensker
@Yutsano:
It doesn’t seem that bad. But when we were there, we were too busy eating amazingly delicious French food, so we didn’t try any of the local oddities. Next trip, mebbe.
MaryRC
@Andy K: Cherry can be a dickhead in some ways but he was a major supporter of women’s hockey from the start, giving them recognition and respect when other commentators and sports columnists treated them like a joke.
I’m about a mile away from BC Place and I don’t have to follow the game on TV — I can just listen to the crowd noise.
Comrade Mary
Those were not the ball caps I was looking for. makes mystical hand motion
Poutine is pretty awesome. I love how the cheese curds squeak against your teeth.
Anthony Bourdain on poutine.
EthylEster
@IanY77: Shut up!! That man is a national treasure!!
IIRC he finished pretty high in the greatest Canadian contest. Pretty scary.
Yutsano
@Svensker: I love French food (I’m French Canadian, it kinda fits) and I’ve had some great meals when I’ve gone to Vancouver. But poutine I just can’t stomach. I’ve had it under my nose ONCE. Couldn’t do it. A lot of Anglos in Canada won’t touch it either even though it’s fairly easy to find up there.
EthylEster
@Wile E. Quixote: If Canada has a religion it’s Hockey Night in Canada.
yeah, and a current commercial for HNiC states that it’s the one time the nation is on the same page (or something like that). So it’s a tasteful religion…not like the ones we have in the US.
SiubhanDuinne
The very *thought* of poutine makes my arteries slam shut.
But hey, that gives me an idea: could we send some to Dick “Dick” Cheney?
Yutsano
This is gonna be the longest twelve minutes of my life. Or the shortest.
Oh and FYWP. I had a great response to Comrade Mary and it ate it. Ggrrr.
Carrie
@Yutsano:
A lot of places use mozza instead of curds.
Big, big difference. You need cheese curds to make it proper like.
madmommy
@Josh Huaco:
The fries and gravy aren’t so bad, but I dunno about the cheese curds. We do a french fry po boy around here that is pretty full of win. It’s a freaking mess to eat, though. But damn tasty!
Missed seeing Don Cherry. Was it one of his usual “Granny’s floral sofa” pattered suits or did he break out something really special for the occasion?
Spiffy McBang
I have my complaints about decisions that the Sabres make, but let it not be said they can’t sign damn good goalies.
Carrie
@IanY77:
Sorry i missed this the first time around…
Official Ottawa greeting.
“Hey, how’s it goin’?”
Comrade Mary
Was Cherry wearing this?
Josh Huaco
Yay, they’re playing Daft Punk.
Cat Lady
@madmommy:
Red velvet double breasted jacket, white satin shirt with a Victorian type collar and a crazy ass red maple leaf on a white satin tie that looked like a fancy Christmas napkin, and gold cufflinks, buttons and collar pin. Stunning!
Morbo
@Comrade Mary: He was.
Yutsano
I’m so glad Luongo decided to become a wall since his defence has been teh suck so far.
IanY77
I’ll be better once we win the gold.
MikeJ
@Comrade Mary: That’s the one.
Tom Traubert
@madmommy:
It looked like crushed blood-red velvet.
Comrade Mary
It’s a good thing ACORN never opened any Canadian offices. The man would have been sorely tempted.
Gah! 4:54 left in the game and 20 minutes left on my pudding. It’s gonna be close …
YellowJournalism
@madmommy: I think one of my favorite (or favourite) Don Cherry “special occasion” outfits was a red and white polka dot tux-looking thing. Just beautiful to behold. There was a striped one once that gave me a terrible headache each time I looked at the screen.
Fries with good gravy are wonderful. I was an instant convert when I came up here. I can’t stand poutine, though. But that may be more of a cheese thing for me. I only really like cheese on pizza and in au gratin potatoes.
BTW, there seem to be a lot of places that say they’re selling poutine but are really just selling fries with cheese chunks and gravy, not actual cheese curds.
mr. whipple
Merkins getting chances, but can’t get it in the net.
Morbo
@mr. whipple: Did you submit that before or after the Crosby breakaway?
Spiffy McBang
Watching the US putz around their own zone, I am deeply concerned about the extra man situation…
madmommy
@Comrade Mary:
That sounds like the description. Looks pretty understated compared to what I’ve seen him wear before! The last time I saw him he was wearing a very large floral print, maybe geraniums. Very vivid! I would imagine walking into his closet is like the worst acid nightmare ever.
mr. whipple
After.
asiangrrlMN
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Oaaaaaaaal!
mr. whipple
HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Carrie
motherf…..
Omnes Omnibus
Woo hoo!
Spiffy McBang
Can I get excited now?
WOOOOOOOOOOOO
BTW, does Olympic gold medal hockey go to a shootout if no one scores in OT?
madmommy
OMG tie game!
PaulW
TIE GAME
IanY77
Dammit!
gwangung
HE SHOOTS! HE SCOOOOORRRRREEEEEES!!!
Napoleon
Happy, happy, happy!!!
SiubhanDuinne
F?ck. Just – F?CK.
Yutsano
AWW CWAP OVERTIME!!
@Spiffy McBang: Ten minute four man overtime, if still tied it goes to shootout. At least that’s what I heard last night during the bronze medal game.
Tsulagi
Goooooaaaaallllll!!
Josh Huaco
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Morbo
Damn, I should’ve predicted this when I was thinking it would happen about 5 minutes ago.
PaulW
Officially a game of the ages now. Overtime!
YellowJournalism
My husband is probably screaming his head off right now. Good thing he’s not watching the game at home or my sons would learn a few new choice words.
TR
WOOOOO!
JenJen
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMFG!!
mr. whipple
Do you believe?
Max
I hope Al Michaels has a catch phrase handy!
Cause I’m believing in some miracles.
asiangrrlMN
Sudden death, 4 on 4, right?
@Comrade Mary: Hey! What happened to your polite Canadian nature?
Comrade Mary
Motherfucker.
jacy
Jumpin Jehosaphat.
Josh Huaco
‘Cause when the goin’ gets tough…[count off 10 beats]…the tough get going!
Comrade Mary
@asiangrrlMN: He’s my dead dad, and I can refer to him any way I like. :P
Yorkshire pudding out of the oven now.
asiangrrlMN
@Comrade Mary: Hah! Good luck with the pudding.
@Max: How about, “Suck on it, bitchez!”? I would pay money to hear Al Michaels say that on national TV.
J.W. Hamner
Damnit! I bailed from going out to watch it, and am reduced to hitting F5 on the stupid SI live blog.
Nylund
Well, it should also be noted that this was done because the US had already burned down the Parliament buildings of Upper Canada in York (what you now call Toronto, Ontario). EVERY Canadian knows about the White House, but many do not know that they too got “burned”.
And I say “York, Upper Canada” because Canada as the country we know today did not yet exist, so one could argue that it was actually the “British” that burned down the White House. It was most definitely the British Army that did it. Do you know if these soldiers were sent over from England for the war, or if they were comprised of people native to the colonies?
demimondian
@Comrade Mary: Deal with it, canuckistani hoser!
SiubhanDuinne
Fvck fvck fvckity-fvck fvckin’ FVCK.
Oh well. Free hockey.
Punchy
Y’allllllll believe in miracles?
/starts writing Al the royalty check
I just screamed so loud after that putback that my dogs hid. My future kids will hate me
Punchy
I think Canadian Home Depot needs to stop selling rope and books on nooses and firearm usage.
mr. whipple
I will say this, if the Canuks win, selling stuff to Canadians and marking the goods as ‘gifts’ so they can avoid taxes is right out.
asiangrrlMN
If I had any beer in the house, I would so be drinking it right now.
@madmommy: He’s somewhere around. I see him during the period breaks.
madmommy
Is Al Michaels even at this game? I don’t know who any of these play-by-play guys are, but given the accents at least one is Canadian.
Phyllis
@madmommy: He’s there, just not calling the game.
Andy K
@MaryRC:
Oh, I’m well aware of Grapes, the pros and the cons. Been watching him- whether on the satellite or on the intertubes- for decades. I’ve always liked the guy despite his prejudices.
Here’s one of my favorite Don Cherry moments– and it’s not from Coach’s Corner.
Spiffy McBang
20 minute OT! Oh geez… so much for getting this paper written before work.
Morbo
Pay attention time.
asiangrrlMN
@Spiffy McBang: Yes, but isn’t it first goal wins?
Spiffy McBang
@asiangrrlMN: Yeah, but I’m just not feeling an early score.
Oooh, a new thread!
wmsheppa
@madmommy: The Canadian sounding one is Eddie Olczyk, a former US Olympic hockey player actually.
mr. whipple
I heard on the radio that Obama bet the PM a case of Yuenglingfor a case Labatts.
Trust me, Canada, you do not want to win.
mr. whipple
F.
Andy K
@madmommy:
It’s Mike Emrick- who’s been the #1 play-by-play guy for nationally broadcast NHL games in the US since Fox had the coverage- with long time NHL player Ed Olczyck doing the color.
I do wish Pat Foley would get a shot at Emrick’s spot some day. I’ve been listening to him since he called Grand Rapids Owls’ games in the ’70s.
And…Shit.
madmommy
Sid the Kid does it!
asiangrrlMN
Well, shit. We’re number two.
TR
Ah, crap. Good game, Canucks.
mr. whipple
@asiangrrlMN:
But we have GUNS!
mr. whipple
I can’t believe that snuck under Miller.
IanY77
Whooohoooo! Sidney, I officially forgive you.
/long story
//run-in in Halifax
///all is forgiven
JenJen
Ya know, if we had to lose, I’m glad it was to the host country. And all smack-talk aside, I’m glad the host country was Canada.
Helluva game, helluvan Olympics. Congratulations, Canadians everywhere!
@IanY77: Long story, nuthin’! If you had a run-in with Sid the Kid, then you better start spillin’.
Batocchio
Good game. What a great last minute goal by the USA, but Iglina and Crosby earned that OT game-winner. I was rooting for Team USA, but honestly, this meant so much more for Canada, so it’s hard to be too upset.
IanY77
Oh, it’s a hell of a story. I worked for a bar in Halifax called The Marquee Club. Sid showed up (along with 2 other NHL’ers), hammered to within an inch of his life and…..and maybe, with the proper inducement, I may share the rest of that story one day! ;)
In the meantime, GO CANADA!!
JenJen
@IanY77: Tease. :-( Good intro, though! Someday I hope you’ll dish the rest!
RedKitten
@IanY77:
Fuck off — you worked at the Marquee!? I lived just down the hill from there, on Brunswick Street. We used to go there quite often! The best time was when The Lowest of the Low played there — what a great show!
SIA
@SuibhanDuinne – you remember how you were commenting about Linder (R) retiring in your district. Guess who’s considering running? What is it with these ball players anyway?
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/02/28/smoltz_could_run_for_congress_in_georgia.html
OT re not about hockey or can openers :)
IanY77
RedKitten:
I worked for a security company that covered a few of the bars in Halifax. Marquee, Oasis, Pogue Fado, among others.
Marquee was my fave, both to go to and to work at. Great people, great music (real DJ’s, not top 40 crap), great bands.
Wide Mouth Mason, Universal Soul, and the Constantines were my best shows there. Love Jimmy Swift, as well. Bedouin Soundclash was the worst. Worked that show, not fun. The music was cool, though.
polyorchnid octopunch
@Svensker: If you go to Montreal, go to Restaurant Chez Claudette, on Laurier a block east of St-Denis, and get a Grosse Galvaude. Poutine made with fries, cheese curds, shredded roast chicken, lots of peas, and chicken gravy. It is the ultimate poutine experience.
And speaking of Don Cherry, well, he was born a couple of blocks from where I’m sitting right now. I got to work with him when he was in town filming Hockeyville (a show that had various towns submit entries to win a bunch of stuff to renovate the local hockey rink), and I can say he was a true gentleman and surprisingly aware of what was going on in the city, and despite the beating that various organised christian sects (lessee… wasps, catholics, mormons, presbyterians…) when he and Ron James got into it in the green room. Feel I should point out that while the mormons and presbyterians were equal opportunity targets, Cherry was beating on the catholics while James was whipping on the wasps…. good times.
RedKitten
@IanY77: My apologies if I ever sassed you after one too many. ; )
We also went to the Remy Shand show, and that was awful — not the show itself, but just that the crowd was way too huge and way too obnoxious. I have very good memories of that place, though. Plus it was nice, because if I got too liquored, I was just a 5 minute stagger down the hill from home.
And yeah, the Marquee had a great vibe. It’s too bad that it wound up closing. I think if Victor hadn’t kept messing with it and renovating it all the time, it would have had a very long life. But it just got to the point where we were like, “Is it open? Is it closed? What the hell is going on?”
SiubhanDuinne
@SIA: sorry, hadn’t checked this thread in several hours, so just now saw your post about Smoltz. Big wow on that! (If any Brave or ex-Brave, I would have guessed someone like Dale Murphy.) I was actually just thinking a few days ago about former athletes who get into politics and wondering why they all seem to be GOP and/or wingnuts. (There are surely exceptions, but I can’t think of any right off. Okay, Heath Shuler in NC is nominally a Dem, but he’s about as blue as a Blue Dog can get.)