Stupak is on Hardball and just blatantly saying that the HCR bill allows for abortion and over rides Hyde.
That is just an out and out lie. Why is he “sticking to his guns” on a complete damned lie?
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Rob Roser
Because he’s a dick?
General Egali Tarian Stuck
Well, it isn’t yet April fools day when he can claim the truth and it was all a big joke (lie) on us.
flounder
That’s what they make college basketball for.
demkat620
Becuase the media wants a strict left – right debate.
The horserace is all they care about.
scav
got nothing else in his holster?
unfortunate superglue accident?
mcc
Is Hardball pointing out it’s a lie?
If the answer is “no”… that’s why.
rikyrah
he’s desperate to stay on tv. but, yes, he should be called on his lies.
waiting for an IRS investigation into who subsidized his rent. he needs to go somewhere, sit down, shut the fuck up.
jrg
Because there is no penalty for lying. People who believe it will remember it, people who don’t believe it will forget about it in 15 minutes.
demo woman
That great journalist Chris Matthews corrected him, right? Stupak does not really care about reducing abortions. How many have an abortion because they can’t afford health care? He is only concerned about his own asshole.
debbie
These talk shows have just gotten better: Christine Amanpour will be taking over “This Week”:
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/amanpour-taking-this-week-job-on-abc.php
Bet she won’t be taking any guff from President McCain.
Max
Stupak is a misogynistic prick. And he hates nuns.
Fergus Wooster
He’s answering to Doug Coe, or the Archdiocese, or both.
Neither have shown any shame about lying about he bill’s contents.
Also, echo Max – he’s a misogynist prick and hates nuns.
Napoleon
If there was only a way we could give to Stupak’s opponent.
SIA
Because Chris Matthews is still trying to find his balance between his good little Catholic boy and his faux-liberal personalities. He can’t leave the subject alone. Hopefully he’ll get crazy Uncle Pat on there to resolve it for him.
dmsilev
Let me guess. Chris “I like to claim I ask the tough questions” Matthews didn’t challenge him on that particular whopper, right?
-dms
bkny
tweety’s a very good catholic boy. wanna bet he hasn’t had a call or two from his local bishop.
Mike Kay
Well John,
that was said by…. wait for it… wait for it… Jane Hamsher
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/18/yes-rahm-is-totally-vindicated/
Yes, stupak is lying through his teeth on HCR funding abortion, but somehow Jane equates lies and grandstanding with conviction.
General Egali Tarian Stuck
The C street boys will continue to love him, and likely will follow through with the promised wingnut welfare for trying to scuttle HCR, minus 95 percent for failure. Though his deal with the devil is still due in full.
LT
This is a great explanation of Stupak, and exposes the non-sliver of truth in Stupak’s argument:
By Stupak’s view – we can’t help poor women at all. Ever. Cuz then they might get abortions.
Chuck Butcher
The fact that it allows you a subsidy that you then add to does include a bit of a wrinkle. He is taking the money thing to an extent that is ludicrous, but certainly is not an out and out lie. If taken to the same extent, making abortionists out of taxpayers, that makes his beloved Bishops pedophiles molesting choir/altar boys. It is less of a stretch in their case since they covered it up…
joes527
It isn’t Bart’s role to point out his own lie. It is the Journalists.
MSNBC, DO YOU HAVE A JOURNALIST IN THE HOUSE?
Didn’t think so.
SIA
Give Stupak a copy of The National Catholic Reporter
http://ncronline.org/print/17458
Probably doesn’t listen to them either.
jeffreyw
This may well be the best damn fajita ever fucking made.
You can trust me on this. The Council of Bishops will back me.
Mark S.
1. Money is printed by the United States Treasury.
2. This money can be used to purchase abortions.
3. Stop printing money!
ajr22
Because in the media world, once a lie has been repeated enough it becomes a justifiable position.
demo woman
Does Stupak want to do away with HSA’s? Wouldn’t that be supporting abortion.
Violet
He lies because he knows he won’t be called on it. Lazy, lazy “journalists” and cable hosts. If Stupak and his ilk knew they would get called on it, they wouldn’t be so brazen.
Allan
What has Stupak gotten away with, exactly?
He’s gone from unknown putz to toxic waste.
Everyone knows he’s a Family mole.
He’s got organized labor, his #1 source of campaign contributions, nipping at his heels on this vote.
He’s got a primary challenger. To which he responds by singing the praises of Focus on the Anus.
He’s got people like me all over America who are actively conspiring to end his career.
I’m loving this.
freelancer
@Mark S.:
That pretty much nails it, doesn’t it?
ETA: Who pays his rent, BTW?
The Populist
Funny how Makewi has stopped spreading the lies on this issue.
Hyde will NOT be overridden. Stupak needs to STFU.
Brick Oven Bill
Perhaps Stupak is seeking a promotion within the Obama Administration.
CBO’s Peter Orszag : The taxpayer can assume all of Fannie-Freddie’s liabilities for probably zero dollars, but like maybe $25 billion.
Barack has since promoted Pete from the non-partisan and always accurate CBO to head his Office of Management and Budget. This was something like $600 billion ago. Democrats hate Mathematics.
But Mathematics is thought, and is therefore eternal, and in another realm of existence.
The Populist
I think Stupak is getting pressure from his C street roomies? This is their talking point. Any rightie that sells this angle is lying and they know it.
mcd410x
He’s an asshole?
Lev
Keep tightening that noose, Bart…
Chad S
The funniest was Matthews at the end resisting the urge to call him an ass.
Robin G.
Because Stupak is an attention whore. That’s all. It has nothing to do with beliefs, principles, political hopes. It’s not even about money. It’s all because he’s an attention whore.
Set him in his time out chair and leave him to kick the wall all alone.
The Populist
@Brick Oven Bill:
Nice try. He isn’t looking, nor will be be promoted, to anything in the Obama administration.
I see you keep trotting out RNC talking points (what’s next? The one nobody can prove where the admin offered Sestak a job to get him to drop his challenge to Specter?).
Actually, dude, the GOP seems to have a harder time with math seeing how much debt they keep leaving us in every time they got to run the nation.
Your lies are showing, do us a favor and cover up.
Stroszek
@Brick Oven Bill: The lack of access to crucial pharmaceuticals evidenced by your posts only underlines the urgent need for health care reform.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@mcc:
The really infuriating part of all this.
@Chad S:
Did Tweety push back at all? Did he mention the nuns?
schrodinger's cat
@jeffreyw: What about the nuns though?
Fajita looks nutritious and delicious, want!
John S.
I look forward to the next crop of Zell Millers who will become official mouthpieces for the Republicans (and alternate sources for stories when Lanny Davis or Marshall Wittmann are unavailable to shit on Democrats from the “Democrat” POV) and complain how they were pushed out of the party because of their principles.
Early favorites include Blanche Lincoln and Bart Stupak. So who else is jockeying to be the next Zell?
Fergus Wooster
@jeffreyw: Nice. I’ll get back to you when I start cooking my pork roasting joints (my butchering pics don’t seem to have the same effect).
Looks delicious.
Stroszek
@The Populist: Everyone knows every CBO and OMB estimate under Bush was 100% accurate. As the Iraq War’s self-financing proves, Republicans rule at math… which is why they’re the choice of rambling pseudo-Platonists everywhere.
Grace Nearing
@LT: I like to substitute the word “shoes” for “abortion.” So the Hyde Amendment bans the use of federal funds to buy shoes and Stupak’s bizarro interpretation becomes:
Obviously she can’t redeem her foodstamps at *Payless,* but the dollars are basically still interchangible, and if it weren’t for those welfare programs she’d never put together enough money to *buy shoes.*
jeffreyw
@schrodinger’s cat: The nuns I bought off with a pair of mules. No problems there.
Just Some Fuckhead
Stupak backwards is Kaputs.
jeffreyw
@Fergus Wooster: Mmm…roast pork.
Brick Oven Bill
The lies that covered up the bailout of the corrupt Fannie-Freddie regime, Rahm, Director, have been highlighted by neither political party, and not brought up in the press.
This fraud will end up costing well in excess of $1 trillion, or CBO’s reported cost, cough, cough, of the entire health care bill. Fannie-Freddie is like the biggest fraud perpetrated against the taxpayer yet.
But, other than Balloon Juice, there is silence, despite Pete’s letter provided above. Just a promotion for Pete.
Why is this?
Josie
It’s pretty simple. If he admits at this point that the Senate bill upholds Hyde, then everything he has said up to this point is bullshit. Someone should let him in on the fact that the American public has the attention span of a fruitfly and wouldn’t know bullshit if it smacked them in the face.
Joel
Stupak’s alter-(big)ego.
Dave C
Perhaps Stupak is showcasing his pro-life bonafides in preparation to make a switch to the Republican party?
Lev
@Dave C: He won’t bolt, for the same reason that old Zell and Holy Joe never did. Bart Stupak is a dishonest, angry, manipulative fundamentalist power-politician. This is evidently a novelty to the media because not too many Democrats fit that profile. As a Republican, he’d fit right in. He’d be unexceptional in every way. And he probably wouldn’t be able to win with the unions against him.
Stroszek
@Brick Oven Bill: Because what you say is bullshit. That’s why. Pretty simple.
Texas Dem
Nobody cares about Stupak any more, or at least they shouldn’t. His vaunted anti-abortion block is melting away like the spring thaw. And I think he knows that, which is why he’s sounding so hysterical. I also think he knows he’s a dead man in the Democratic party whether the bill passes or not. If the bill fails, he’s got a lot of angry Dems who will be out for blood. If the bill passes, he’s on the wrong side of the biggest piece of legislation since the days of the Great Society, and no one in this White House is going to return his calls. Sleep well, Bart. Pleasant dreams.
Fergus Wooster
@jeffreyw:
Yup. The bacon and jowls are hanging. The ham is still buried in salt, to be hung for 6-9 months beginning 4/9/2010.
But the roasts – they’re boned, rolled and ready now. And I am impatient.
geg6
Both Steny Hoyer and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (FSM bless her heart) were on right after and they both reiterated that this bill follows Hyde and there is no there there. And in a tepid defense of Tweety, he did point out all the anti-choice support from Catholic organizations and that his fellow Dem anti-abortion compatriots in the House are falling away from him. So there was that. But Tweety was stellar against the AFP guy. Just tore him up in classic Tweety style, hammering him again and again with a single question that he, of course wouldn’t and couldn’t answer.
demo woman
Why is he “sticking to his guns” on a complete damned lie?
Well that darn liberal media once again pretending they are Fox TV.
bemused
@LT:
I’ve never seen this website before…very interesting.
wasabi gasp
Nuns ain’t got no dickheads.
Adrienne
@Texas Dem: Exactly. He can yell this shit from the mountaintops if that’s what he wants to do, as long as he’s doing it by himself. He can vote against the bill – as long as he doesn’t derail it, I don’t care. And that’s really what gives Bart Stupak a sad… that we no longer care about him now that the reps he supposedly spoke for are saying that they’ll vote for the bill. Bye bye Stupie!!!
Mnemosyne
@Texas Dem:
If he ends up voting for the bill after all of this — and I think there’s a non-zero chance that he will if only to try and extinguish some of the burning bridges he’s left behind him — I will laugh and laugh and laugh.
The Populist
@Stroszek:
And don’t forget anti-science types like B.O.B. Math and science are courses the GOP must have slept through.
The Populist
@Brick Oven Bill:
Why is this? Because a-holes like you run around acting like Obama is the reason why we are in this deep debt mess.
Maybe if you guys were more HONEST about things vs. selling out your country for a partisan viewpoint, then maybe things wouldn’t be so bad.
Change happens moran. Deal with it. We all went with the status quo for the last eight years while watching Bush squander the surplus because he felt his rich buds needed more cash to buy bigger yachts with.
Oh well, you like to lie about everything, so ***yawn*** you are not very bright.
AxelFoley
@rikyrah:
I love it when you talk dirty, rikyrah.
sukabi
Why Does He Get Away With Lying? Because he’s pushing crap that Matthews and the other asshats approve of…
LT
@Grace Nearing: Even baby shoes!
@bemused: I actually never had either. I was looking for Maddow’s explanation, basically the same, and found that.
Texas Dem
Burning bridges indeed. Like they once said about Olbermann’s departure from ESPN, Bart isn’t just burning his bridges, he’s napalming them. To borrow a line from one of my favorite movies: “So you’re talkin’ about a thermonuclear explosion and ‘Adiós, muchachos……’ “
The Populist
@Texas Dem:
Kinda like when Larry Craig would NOT stop talking about his bust at the airport bathroom or Blagoyevich and his constant defensive posturing when the shit storm came down on him. The smart ones STFU.
Mnemosyne
I wonder if Steve Dreihaus might end up voting “yes” after all now that the anti-reform crowd has run an attack ad against him that used a picture of him and his two young daughters. Dreihaus is understandably pissed despite their apology.
Stay classy, righties.
bemused
@The Populist:
Mark Sanford had to be the worst. It was excruciating but he just kept blathering on & on & on.
The Populist
@bemused:
Good one. I guess we can also add Gary Condit to the mix as well.
Tlazolteotl
Wow, Rob Roser nails it in one!
And just to add to that, never underestimate how much some of these people hate women.
Patriarchy? You’re soaking in it!
Joel
@Mnemosyne: I love how the spokeswoman for the group that issued the ad, Sarah Longwell, is (was?) a prominent lobbyist for the American Beverage Institute, which:
SiubhanDuinne
@bemused #70: saw a short item that the SC ethics board have fined Sanford $74,000.
Redshift
Mmmm, pie!
CynDee
Adolf Hitler: What good fortune for governments that the people do not think.
Comrade Kevin
@Mike Kay: The comments attached to that post are insane. Quite a loony-bin Hamsher has over there.
El Cid
Via the GOS
Follow link for more lurid details.
Ash Can
@Just Some Fuckhead: LOL
@El Cid: Their karmas are horrifically scary places.
Tonal Crow
@Joel:
Is there a good reason why I should not oppose sobriety checkpoints and, much more so, vehicle alcohol sensors? Is there, like, any portion of the 4th Amendment — and privacy generally — that those who favor these things are not willing to sacrifice for a promise of improved safety?
Comrade Kevin
@Tonal Crow: You can oppose sobriety checkpoints all you want, the US Supreme Court has already said they’re constitutional.
Jeffro
Re the Stupak quote and Lincoln too: A truly note-taking/lesson-learning Dem party would already be out in front with ads noting exactly this in the appropriate districts/states.
WHO WILL BE THE NEXT ZELL: OUT OF TOUCH and OUT OF TIME?
Tonal Crow
@Comrade Kevin: So? While the Court is final, it is not infrequently incorrect. For example: Raich (risibly-broad reading of Commerce Clause), Bush v. Gore (1-time-only 14th Amendment “interpretation”), Korematsu (upholding internment of Japanese-Americans), Plessey (upholding “separate but equal”), Dred Scott (do I really need to say more?)…. And since Burger got in as Chief Justice (yeah, it’s been that long) the Court has been almost uniformly hostile to 4th Amendment claims. But what the heck, if ya’ ain’t got nuthin’ t’ hide, ya’ ain’t got nuthin’ t’ fear. Amirite?
Bruce Webb
Why?
Running for Governor and doesn’t have to give a shit about burning bridges in the House.
Thanks for answering simple questions can be forwarded in cash form.
The Other Steve
Sometimes I think we argue past one another and don’t really listen.
Near as I can tell the argument Stupak is making is that health insurance will be supported with tax breaks and credits —> insurance covers abortion –> Government money is being used to pay for abortions
I think the response from the Democrats has been utterly pathetic, because it all involves either saying “That’s not true!” or “We’re going to make the insurance companies put the coins in this little pile over here and…”
The better answer is.
“The People Ought To Decide What Insurance They Want, and What it Covers. Not the Government, and Certainly Not Bart Stupak.”
DougL (frmrly: Conservatively Liberal)
Shorter Bart Stupak: I care more about saving potential human life than I do about saving real humans who are actually suffering and struggling to stay alive.
Once you are born these people couldn’t care less about you, they only want to protect you when you were an ‘if’. Now that you are real and alive, good luck buddy because you are on your own. I wish some Sister Mary would take a steel ruler to Bart’s knuckles. Then she could beat his ass with it. Bart only needs to talk to men about womens abortion issues because it’s a man’s world out there and he needs to protect the women from themselves.
It’s a wonder that the Earned Income Credit ever passed. I am sure that some woman somewhere took that money and had an abortion with it.
Dr. Morpheus
@Comrade Kevin:
The US Supreme Court has also said that people are property (c.f. Dred Scott).
In both these and other cases the Supremes are full of shit.
LGRooney
Because if HCR passes, the GOP will release those pictures of a drunk Stupak leaving an abortion clinic for transvestite donkeys somewhere near Tijuana.
I can’t figure it out.
brantl
Why do all of you assume that he’s just not dumb enough, or know-it-all-enough, or lazy enough, to not be able to read/understand/research what the bill actually does?
Gatsby
Stubborn Stupak’s Stuck on Stuporous Stupidity.
OT: I had the great joy of drinking my coffee out of my newly arrived Tunch Big Cup (“The Revolution Will Be Supervised”) this morning. Thanks, John, for such a great idea. My feline overlords are very jaleous!
Martian Buddy
@Texas Dem: “I’m afraid an explosion was inevitable at this point.”
Although “Game over, man! Game over!” is probably more appropriate for Stupak.