Per CNN. If he goes through with it, Cao will almost certainly switch parties on the same day that he votes ‘yes’. God knows he won’t be a featured speaker at the next GOP convention. If you live in the area it can’t hurt to phone Cao and encourage him to do both. The screaming that his staff are getting from the right must be epic.
***Update***
DanF.
I met with one of Baron Hill’s staffers before lunch today. I explained my strong support for the bill. I asked if the Congressman had seen the CBO score, and was assured that he had. I was told that Baron Hill wanted to see the text of the reconciliation bill and get feed-back from the community before making his decision.
A ton of Representatives take constituent calls very seriously. And they should. The Framers gave Representatives two-year terms precisely because it makes the House responsive to the day-to-day constituent demands. So get their staff on the line and demand.
Anton Sirius
Was the interview segment entitled “Dept. of Flip-Flop”?
Maybe “Dept. of Treason”?
jibeaux
Wit. Ur doing it rong.
Jules
Isn’t Cao in a more Democratic district that went with him because of Jefferson’s issues?
mistermix
He’s in the same spot as Dems who voted “Yes”, and by registration, he’s a one-termer, so I wouldn’t fall over in a faint if he did vote “Yes”.
DanF
I met with one of Baron Hill’s staffers before lunch today. I explained my strong support for the bill. I asked if the Congressman had seen the CBO score, and was assured that he had. I was told that Baron Hill wanted to see the text of the reconciliation bill and get feed-back from the community before making his decision.
So – CALL BARON HILL!
I expressed my sympathy with this staffer, and he mentioned that they were getting a lot of angry, misinformed callers. Also, like most congressional staff people, he was younger and perhaps more idealistic than the Congressman he works for (no one gets into politics to work for shitty staff pay and keep the status quo). After talking a bit, he did intimate that I would probably be happy with the Congressman’s vote, but he stopped well short of promising anything. I told him that I would vote for Baron in the mid terms based solely on this vote. That I voted against Baron in the last election because of his lack of support for SCHIP funding (he quickly pointed out that he voted for it this time).
It felt like I used the right mixture of carrot and stick. I brought along a friend to express the same views and sent another one directly to his office after lunch.
So, call Baron Hill. Push him firmly to our side of the fence. He won’t get there on his own.
Sentient Puddle
@Jules: Yes. And realistically, running as a Dem is the only way he could win re-election this year.
ed
If Cao votes for HCR then flips to Dem party, it’s a big bowl of WIN for Cao. He can punch his ticket after that. Go for it, Cao.
Mike Kay
@Jules: not only that, he won the seat during a special election held in the middle of december.
as we all know, anything can happen in special election, especially during the middle of winter.
The Main Gauche of Mild Reason
Obligatory: “The future is Cao.” –Minority Leader John Boehner
Alex S.
I like Cao. He’s a good man.
Chuchundra
Cao seems like a decent fellow, but he’s still pretty far right for that district. I doubt he’d survive the Democratic primary if he switched parties.
Tim F.
@Chuchundra: I don’t know about that. If Cao delivered health care and boosted the Dem ranks he would have a pretty solid leg up on any challenger.
South of I-10
I just called everyone I know in his district and asked them to call. I am sure he is getting some serious wingnut pressure.
The Grand Panjandrum
Oy. If you thought it was getting crazy out there I think the next 48 hours is going to be a humdinger:
I just want to thank everyone in Georgia’s 10th Congressional District for providing us with some real comic relief. (TPM has video)
beltane
@The Grand Panjandrum: Aside from the offensiveness of the comment, it doesn’t even make much sense. How can people who are so stupid manage to reproduce?
Lev
I don’t know Cao personally, I suspect that he’s like most Vietnamese-Americans I’ve known, in that he’s Republican mostly because of the party’s historic anti-Communism. Actually, that would be like most immigrant families from Communist countries. That’s changed here in California–the GOP used to be able to count on hefty Asian-American support here, but eventually the racism drove everyone aside from the Archie Bunkers away.
I don’t think it’s impossible that he’d vote for the bill, but that would be a real profile in courage.
Betsy
I just called my Rep Capuano again. I was told by the weary staffer that he’s “leaning toward” voting for the bill, although he hasn’t made up his mind. Realistically, there isn’t a dewdrop’s chance in hell that he would vote against it. Not in this district. If he were portrayed as the vote that prevented close-to-universal healthcare, he’d be primaried in a hot minute.
Sentient Puddle
@Tim F.: I may be showing my total ignorance of racial issues in America with this, but isn’t a big part of the fact that the district is so liberal due to the fact that it’s also very black? I’d half-wonder if that would totally screw him over right there even if he was Democrat.
On the other hand, Nikki Tinker’s spectacular flame-out in TN-09 might suggest that kind of shit don’t fly anymore…
geg6
Heading to another pro-HCR rally at Jason Altmire’s office this afternoon. If you’re in PA-04, please try to make time to be there:
2110 McLean Street
Aliquippa, PA 15001
From 4pm-5pm.
I’ll be the one with the super-butch hair cut and leopard shoes.
Tim F.
@Sentient Puddle: It counts for something, but constituents will always reward bringing home the bacon. That’s why Santorum kept winning – he was very good for western PA.
John PM
I just faxed letters to Congressmen Dan Lipinski and Jerry Costello asking them to vote for the Senate bill. In the letter to Lipinski I included the editorial from the National Catholic Reporter. Tim F., thank you for all your work.
I suspect that both of these guys will vote for the bill. They are both in solid Democratic districts and there is no upside to them voting against the bill. I think they are looking for some vig in exchange for their votes.
demo woman
@The Grand Panjandrum: Maybe we should call his office and ask where we can get free health insurance cards.
demo woman
@beltane: He’s a physician.
North Dallas Thirty
I met with one of Baron Hill’s staffers before lunch today. I explained my strong support for the bill. I asked if the Congressman had seen the CBO score, and was assured that he had.
Sorry. The Obama Party’s memo explaining that they rigged the CBO numbers already leaked.
Democrats are planning to introduce legislation later this spring that would permanently repeal annual Medicare cuts to doctors, but are warning lawmakers not to talk about it for fear that it will complicate their push to pass comprehensive health reform. The plans undercut the party’s message that reform lowers the deficit, according to a memo obtained by POLITICO.
Democrats removed the so-called doc fix from the reform legislation last year because its $371-billion price tag would have made it impossible for Democrats to claim that their bill reduces the deficit. Republicans have argued for months that by stripping the doc fix from the bill, Democrats were playing a shell game.
“Most health staff are already aware that our health proposal does not contain a ‘doc fix.’ … The inclusion of a full SGR repeal would undermine reform’s budget neutrality. So again, do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered,” the memo, sent Thursday to Democratic staff, said.
“As most health staff knows, leadership and the White House are working with the AMA to rally physicians for a full SGR repeal later this spring. However, both health and communications staff should understand we do not want that policy discussion discussed at this time, lest (it) complicate the last critical push to pass health reform,” according to the memo.
Typical for the Obama Party. They know the rubes like Dan F. don’t read the small print and will do whatever the talking points from the DNC tell them to do. You really have to wonder at what stage Obama puppets will stop beclowning themselves by claiming this bill “reduces the deficit” when the only way it does so is by leaving out of the analysis the backroom deals that the Obama Party has already made.
rikyrah
Sentient Puddle
yes, it’s very Democratic because it’s very Black.
aimai
At Betsy, waay upthread, who is also a Capuano Constituent. I complained to the very nice staffer that Cap was wasting all our time not just saying up front he’d vote for the bill. I pointed out that the rest of the activist dems had only so much time and money to waste phoning and badgering wavering congressmen. He could save us all a lot of trouble by just saying he’s going to vote the right way and not waffling.
aimai
beltane
@demo woman: Dear God, this man’s been sampling too many meds then. He and Coburn, Frist and Ron Paul.
AxelFoley
@North Dallas Thirty:
Try harder, son.
Lev
@North Dallas Thirty: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/health-care-wars-on-capitol-hill-as-dems-cry-doc-fix-memo-is-a-fake.php
In any event, Pay-Go rules would probably make something like this impossible unless it were paid for. But nice try.
rikyrah
I’d half-wonder if that would totally screw him over right there even if he was Democrat.
On the other hand, Nikki Tinker’s spectacular flame-out in TN-09 might suggest that kind of shit don’t fly anymore…
he’s Vietnamese AND Republican, and if the previous Congressman wouldn’t have been under indictment, nobody would know anything about Cao.
Cohen was a White guy with over a decade’s record of service in TN. he had a progressive record that the Black constituents of that TN Congressional District could check. He voted for all the right things.
Plus, when Cohen got the job, he continued to vote the way a Democrat in a SAFE DISTRICT IS SUPPOSED TO VOTE.
There was something called the CBC Monitor/Report Card[CBC=Congressional Black Caucus]. Though Cohen wasn’t a member, they scored him along with the rest of the CBC because the district is Majority Black. Cohen scored over the 2 years of his first term an 80 and 85 (out of 100).
Their previous Congressman, dear old Harold Ford, had scores of 5, 10, 30 in his last 3 years in Congress.
Yes, I said 5, 10, 30.
So, despite continued insults to the Black community on ‘what they don’t do in holding their elected officials accountable’.
If you have the Black guy that scores 5, 10, 30…
and the White Guy who scores 80, 85, along with a decade’s long proven record of commitment to the issues that matter and affect your community….
THAT is why Tinker didn’t stand a chance.
jibeaux
@AxelFoley:
Lord, no, don’t encourage them. Eventually they will evolve into something that will figure out how to block quote, like some sort of cylon teabagger, and you know that’s not going to end well.
aimai
Wow, North Dallas Thirty sure is fast off the block with the latest GOP fake memo:
You’d think after the fake poll not published in real JAMA, and the fact that the AMA and AARP both came out for the actual, current, bill today that Politico and Drudge would have been a tiny bit slower pushing these obvious lies. But I guess they can trust North Dallas and the other pin heads not to read the “fine print” that says “fake” at the bottom of all their press releases.
aimai
mantis
Just called Lipinski’s office in Chicago (I’m not technically a constituent; his district ends a few blocks from my house, but encompasses half of the town I live in. The staffer didn’t ask for my address, so as far as they know, I am a constituent). She didn’t seem all that pleased to be getting a call urging a “yes” vote, but said she would pass it along.
liberal
@aimai:
Heh. Was going to post the news of the fake as OT here. Thanks.
jibeaux
@aimai:
you’re so mean. Next you’re going to tell him that Orly Taitz’s official Kenyan birth certificate wasn’t even real, and he’s going to cry a little bit.
over_educated
Good to see TPM is getting more effective at countering the lie-machine. North Dallas Forty: does it ever make you sad (assuming you are not a spoof) that the party you support thinks you are a big enough chump to believe this idiocy? (Or even better, that you are a big enough chump to actually believe it?)
Sentient Puddle
Tom Perriello is a go.
liberal
@North Dallas Thirty:
Looks like you’ve been pwn by the Rethuglicans, you blithering idiot.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!1!
Sentient Puddle
Tom Perriello is a go.
(This comment may have previously been eaten by the intert00bz)
ETA: Gah, fuck the link. Hit up TPM for the source.
aimai
Ye Gods and Little Fishes:!
Orly Taitz isn’t Kenyan?
aimai
mantis
@over_educated:
Why would it make him sad? He is exactly that sized chump.
jibeaux
@aimai:
Not one bit. That is not her real hair color, either.
jibeaux
@aimai:
You know, that prompted me to do a little googling, because I remember a case in which the judge just noted that he was sending a copy of his decision to the California state bar for whatever purposes they saw fit. I guess that wasn’t for nothing.
Lumpy
I called Bobby Rush’s office to leave a comment – they only want to hear from local constituents.
According to this article, he’s on the fence:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/87785–rep-rush-opposes-healthcare-bill-then-calls-himself-undecided
If you live in the Chicago area, especially Rush’s district (Hyde park area I believe) he wants to hear from you.
202-225-4372
North Dallas Thirty
LOL….and once again, the party of liars tries to convince everyone else that something is a lie.
Looks like heads are exploding over at the DNC on this one. They obviously didn’t plan for their little lie-fest to get out there and be made public, now did they?
Bad Horse's Filly
Must resist urge to club troll.
Mnemosyne
@ed:
We’ll be complaining about his Blue Dog-ness within 6 months but, hey, a win is a win and he at least seems to think about things and isn’t a knee-jerk ideologue in either direction.
As with all of these things with House members, a lot depends on his constituent services. If he’s getting things done for the people in his district and switches to a “D,” he may have a chance. If he’s not, nothing can save him.
Bobby Thomson
Cao’s a twofer.
Per the Open Left whip count:
If Cao plans on remaining a Republican, he will never cast a deciding vote in favor or even pile on after the vote is clear. If he switches, the calculus changes dramatically. Voting Yes and switching is his best path to re-election. Not saying it would work, but it’s his best path.
North Dallas Thirty
Oh, go right ahead. I love examples of how the Obamabots will go off about how “deceptive” Obama is when they’re trying to be “progressive”, but then obediently swing into line right behind him and state that everything he says is gospel truth.
Just Some Fuckhead
So if he votes “yes”, Democrats will have a Cao?
licensed to kill time
__
Sadly, no. I believe she is a Martian, or possibly a Lizard Person. It’s a bit hard to tell with the wig covering up her antennae or frill.
Bobby Thomson
Not sure why my comment didn’t format properly. Everything up to the last paragraph should be in the block quote.
Legalize
I know that the DNC are experts in writing and propagating wingnut talking points. Reminds me of the bit in the Wire when Carcetti’s opponent photo-shopped a picture of him shaking hands with one of Baltimore’s lowest slum lords – who happened to actually be buddies with Carcetti’s opponent. It was so obviously a lie. Just like this fake memo is.
David in NY
Hey! Finally got through to Scott Murphy’s office. (Took repeat dialing about 10 times.) Was so surprised, I was kind of tongue-tied for a second, but just managed to say I was in favor of HCR, and urged him to vote for it, it was really important.
David in NY
@Just Some Fuckhead:
“Democrats will have a Cao”
Don’t you mean “just some funny fuckhead.”
North Dallas Thirty
Also, I love how people are suddenly freaking out trying to claim that the memo is a lie. No one observing this website believes that you care what the Obama Party does as long as it gets you your free health care, including bribery, stealing, lying, and kickbacks.
That’s what also makes the hypocrisy so rancid. No one believes the Obamabots are going to give up the Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase, and now the Bismarck Bank Heist. If they didn’t think it was wrong when they put it in, they sure as hell don’t think it’s wrong now.
Genine
Exactly. North Texas Thirty and people like that are not going to believe anything you or anyone else has to say. They only believe things that conform to their prejudices whether it is true or not. Republicans understand this about their base and so fake memos and such are a good ploy with them. It never fails.
Legalize
Funny how the faked memo was “revealed” only a couple hours or so after wingers started lying about the numbers in the CBO.
qwerty42
@North Dallas Thirty:
Oh yes, it even has the super-secret “DRAFT” stamped on it (in all caps and an outline font, so it is fer real).
But you’re not being played; we are being played and this just happened to show up, right? Gosh, too good to be true, isn’t it?
Yossarian
“No one believes the Obamabots are going to give up the Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase, and now the Bismarck Bank Heist.”
Then it’s totally weird that both the House and Senate are planning on voting for a package of sidecar fixes that will give up those very things. Maybe after passing that legislation, the Dems have developed a secret way in which law becomes not-law. Oh, those tricky Democrats…
David in NY
Ever noticed that anything a Republican doesn’t like is a lie, no matter how true it is? Still thinking they can “make their own reality.”
kay
@North Dallas Thirty:
No, I think this is pretty much an admission.
I asked House Minority Leader John Boehner’s spokesman Michael Steel about the accusation. Here’s his response: “The underlying fact is the Democratic leadership is going to move a doc fix, they are going to spend another $300 billion. If not, why did AMA endorse the bill?”
I ask you, “if not”?
Pretty damn weak.
jibeaux
Aw, politico pulled it. Obots.
Bobby Thomson
@Bad Horse’s Filly: This never would have happened if Nick Nolte were still alive.
Chyron HR
@North Dallas Thirty:
Yes! The fact that people debunked your claim as soon as you posted it just PROVES that it’s really true! You’re quite the sharp one.
I’m pretty sure Fox also ordered you to be outraged over the “Hospital Handout”. Or did somebody come to their senses and realize that there’s no way to make hospital handouts sound bad?
Mnemosyne
@Genine:
I’m guessing that ND30 still thinks that the yellowcake memos are real and he’s the only one who knows the TRUTH!
David in NY
@Yossarian: Yossarian, you haven’t read the latest Republican scam. They’re going to propose amendments to keep the Cornhusker Kickback in the bill, so that they can then pretend it’s the Democrats’ fault. And Mr. North Dallas Troll is playing their game for them, trying to lay the groundwork for one of the most hypocritical ploys ever.
If those things remain in the bill, it will be the Republicans who keep them there.
It’s just sickening.
EDIT: Oh, sorry, but I think the source here is TPM. Might have been Steve Benen, however.
Legalize
Obama’s nefarious tentacles have gotten to Politico. They’ve pulled the memo.
tammanycall
Cao’s toast if any of the “name” Nola Dems decide to challenge him. Many of the runners-up in the recent mayoral Democratic primary are good candidates, and would certainly better fit LA-02, which is a very progressive district. However “principled” you may believe him to be, this is a district that went 75% for Obama in 2008, and deserves a Congressperson that accurately represents them.
DanF
@aimai: Thanks for taking him/her/it to the woodshed aimai. Even Politico has pulled the memo.
AxelFoley
@North Dallas Thirty:
LOL, someone put something in this fool’s mouth to shut him up. My zipper’s stuck.
Genine
That would be a safe bet. ;-)
eyepaddle
@North Dallas Thirty:
Darryl–is that YOU?
Chuck
Looks like NDT is another candidate for the pie filter. Disagreement is one thing, but constantly spamming that black is white and up is down is just tiresome.
Hey NDT, how’s it feel that your town went for Obama? Every major city in TX in fact.
North Dallas Thirty
Then it’s totally weird that both the House and Senate are planning on voting for a package of sidecar fixes that will give up those very things.
Not really. They voted for them once, so they obviously support and endorse them. This is merely kabuki theater where they magically make all these “disappear” for the vote, then add them back later. After all, they’ve already stated that they don’t need to vote to add things after the upcoming vote, and that they have every intention of doing so. Even this website has stated that the bill should be voted for because it’s a “start” and there will be more added later.
Sentient Puddle
@North Dallas Thirty:
You might want to bone up on Schoolhouse Rock and get a better feel for the legislative process before saying things like this.
North Dallas Thirty
Hey NDT, how’s it feel that your town went for Obama? Every major city in TX in fact.
That’s no surprise. Metro Dallas supports exactly what the Obama Party does and represents.
Mnemosyne
@DanF:
And if Republico pulled it that fast, their source must have been awfully shaky. Heh.
Yossarian
“Even this website has stated that the bill should be voted for because it’s a “start” and there will be more added later.”
Why the United States Senate would vote to single out Nebraska for special treatment under Medicaid AFTER they’ve already gotten Ben Nelson to vote for the health care bill and no longer need to buy him off is utterly beyond me. But I guess I’m not a Discerning Political Super-Genius like you are.
Jules
@North Dallas Thirty:
Obama Party?
CBO score fixed?
Someone has been watching Beck and attending one to many tea parties I see.
Oh, and blah, blah, blah, rinse and repeat.
David in NY
@Sentient Puddle: See my comment, based on a TPM post, that the Republican strategy is to keep these features in the bill, so they can blame them on the Democrats. My guess is that NDT is quite well connected to the Republican disinformation machine.
Chyron HR
@North Dallas Thirty:
WOW! You’ve figured out our plot! Yes, once this piece of legislation has been passed, we will go on to pass other pieces of legislation.
But I’m sure you’ll be able to stop us next time. Really.
North Dallas Thirty
@David in NY:
I love this one. The very Obama voters who supported, endorsed, and love the Cornhusker Kickback are now whining and flailing trying to blame the Republicans for it.
Nope. You put it in the bill. You supported and endorsed it. You own it. You repudiate it and condemn the person who put it in there first before you start whining.
Sentient Puddle
@David in NY: Which is obviously one of the dumbest strategies ever. But hey, I’m not one to interrupt my opponent while he is in the middle of making a mistake.
Cat Lady
@Legalize:
Fix’t for teabagger conspiracy theorists.
Boxer
I called Baron Hill’s DC office (which took forever due to tied up lines) and expressed my support for the bill and they gave a somewhat assuring sense that Hill supported the bill. When I called his Bloomington office, the staffer reported that Hill was “leaning strongly toward a ‘yes’ vote.”
The DC staffer reported more negative calls than positive, but noted that many did not sound like legitimate constituents.
North Dallas Thirty
@Yossarian:
Probably because they put it in the bill, endorsed it, supported it, and voted for it in the first place.
Usually if you oppose something, you demand it be taken OUT of the bill before you vote to approve it.
geg6
@North Dallas Thirty:
Concern troll sounds very concerned.
CMcC
You quote: “I asked if the Congressman had seen the CBO score, and was assured that he had.”
How about the “nuns’ score”? The AMA score? The AARP score? Paul Krugman’s score? The labor unions’ score? The Black Caucus score? Ezra Klein’s score? Etc., etc.
Democratic Congress Critters: You can vote and campaign and win on these “scores”! Pass the damn bill!
And then work with those like Representative Grayson from my state and start making it even better.
North Dallas Thirty
And Obamabots sound very defensive.
You’d think if they were being so transparent and open, this wouldn’t be a problem.
Legalize
Thus, when GOPers later demand that it not be pulled in reconciliation, they will be fully endorsing, approving, and accepting it. Right?
mantis
@North Dallas Thirty:
They voted for them once, so they obviously support and endorse them.
No member of Congress has ever changed his or her mind in all of history!
After all, they’ve already stated that they don’t need to vote to add things after the upcoming vote, and that they have every intention of doing so.
Who said that, moron?
Even this website has stated that the bill should be voted for because it’s a “start” and there will be more added later.
With votes. In Congress. You’re an idiot.
North Dallas Thirty
@CMcC: \
Yup, it has the undying support of tax cheats like Charles Rangel and welfare dependents who will never pay a dime for it. We’re impressed.
John
Oh, for God’s sake. Come on. I’m not sure if this is reporters trying to gin up a bullshit story, or Rush pulling a Capuano and trying to gin up attention, but does anybody really believe he’s going to vote against health care?
CalD
@Chuchundra:
Do they even have primaries down there? Seems like in Louisiana you often see elections with half a dozen candidates from both parties, then a run-off between the top finishers if no one gets over 50% of the vote in the first round. But I may be thinking of special elections.
North Dallas Thirty
@Legalize:
That depends. Do you agree that the Obama Party members voting on it before means that they fully support and endorse it? Or would you like to admit that they lied?
geg6
@North Dallas Thirty:
Honey, that’s not defensive. That’s rolling around with laughter at how stupid you are about the entire legislative process.
Stone cold stupid. But, well, you’re from Dallas, TX. I’ve seen what you idiots consider a textbook.
North Dallas Thirty
@mantis:
Then why not put those in there now?
After all, don’t you want to be honest? The bill’s alleged deficit reduction comes from cuts to Medicare. Why not put in the fact that you intend to pass a bill that will revoke those cuts and be up-front with the American people?
mantis
@North Dallas Thirty:
Do you agree that the Obama Party members voting on it before means that they fully support and endorse it?
No, because there is no Obama Party in this country. Go back to whatever country you came from, and leave ours alone.
North Dallas Thirty
@geg6:
Yup, didn’t think you had an answer. Thanks for confirming.
North Dallas Thirty
@mantis:
Sure there is, Mantis. That’s what those of you who support and endorse Obama are.
Call it what it is. After all, you’ve stated that any opposition to or criticism of Obama is always racist.
Chyron HR
@North Dallas Thirty:
We already “admitted” that Politico lied. You’re the one pretending otherwise. Or… have you desperately switched over to some completely unrelated subject, thereby admitting that you’re a gullible fool who believes every lie the GOP tells you?
P.S. Tell us, in your own words, what a “Cornhusker Kickback” is. Provide evidence that such a thing ever existed. Since we’ve already established that your sources are completely unreliable, how do we know that this latest outrage of yours wasn’t manufactured?
Joseph Nobles
I’m not one of those that claim “bipartisan support” for something if one member of an opposing party votes against the otherwise party-line vote. I think you need around a third of the other party voting against the majority of the party for a claim like that.
But I agree that Cao should probably welcome his new Democratic overlords if he votes for this bill. And we should welcome him.
mantis
@North Dallas Thirty:
Then why not put those in there now?
Put what in where now? The crappy deals that happen every time a big piece of legislation passes? They weren’t wanted except by those getting deals for their districts/states. They were part of the messy process that legislation goes through in this country. I’m glad they’re gone, as are most Democrats voting in favor of this bill. They’re not coming back.
Why not put in the fact that you intend to pass a bill that will revoke those cuts and be up-front with the American people?
Because we don’t. That’s just bullshit being distributed by Republicans who know that passing health care will be good for the country, and thus helpful to the party that championed it, and therefore bad for Republican assholes who prefer to see more people dead and bankrupt, because it makes them feel good inside, because they are scumbags.
Any other questions, dipshit?
Felonious Wench
@North Dallas Thirty:
http://northdallasthirty.blogspot.com/
That’s a good list of blogs that have banned you. Not working and playing well with others, are we?
Go drink a beer and unclench. You’ll feel better.
Legalize
No. I think they made a bad political calculation to get Ben Nelson on board because of the rules of the senate. Of course, this would be the first time anyone voted for a bill that included something unseemly purely for the sake of expediancy. Ever. Now that they don’t need Ben Nelson because they’re going the reconciliation route, they are free to toss it out. It’s a very simple calculation that even you can understand. In fact, you do understand. This would also be the first time that a provision of a bill was tossed out of the final package. Ever. Your winger buddies are going to try to keep it in after they decried how horrible it is. Why aren’t you screaming to the heavens about this and calling them liars and hypocrites? Don’t worry; don’t bother answering. We all know why you aren’t doing it and why you never will. How are you going to feel when Obama and Pelosi beat your ass again? And again after that?
Loser.
North Dallas Thirty
P.S. Tell us, in your own words, what a “Cornhusker Kickback” is. Provide evidence that such a thing ever existed.
With pleasure.
And if they didn’t exist, why was the first reaction of you DNC bots to try to claim they were being repealed?
mantis
@North Dallas Thirty:
Sure there is, Mantis. That’s what those of you who support and endorse Obama are.
Can I register as a member of the Obama Party? Then it doesn’t exist, moron.
Call it what it is. After all, you’ve stated that any opposition to or criticism of Obama is always racist.
Thanks for the non-sequitur, but no I haven’t.
Tim F.
Um, politicians swallow distasteful shit all the time when they want to get a bill passed. Anyone who argues otherwise is either lying or naiver than a box of kittens, as a favorite troll of mine used to say.
North Dallas Thirty
Because we don’t.
Too bad, you already did it once.
And why did it vanish?
House Democrats had initially included the measure in their big health care legislation, but the steep cost of correcting the payment formula made it difficult to meet President Obama’s request that the overall cost of the health bill be held to around $900 billion over 10 years.
House Democratic leaders said that the cost of fixing the formula, called the sustainable growth rate, should not be counted in the overall price tag of the health bill.
Granted, given that you are a liberal, we don’t expect you to do anything other than repeat Obama’s talking points, but don’t you get tired of beclowning yourself claiming that your party would never do any such thing when it already has?
Chyron HR
@North Dallas Thirty:
Thank you for providing a Politico link when somebody requested that you explain something “in your own words”. I cannot imagine a more effective way for you to demonstrate that you “don’t read the small print and will do whatever the talking points from the RNC tell you to do.”
P.S. Bettter make sure that link is still there. As you’ve already demonstrated, Politico has a habit of making up stories and then deleting them as soon as they get caught.
North Dallas Thirty
No. I think they made a bad political calculation to get Ben Nelson on board because of the rules of the senate.
Of course. Nothing about whether it was right or wrong for them to support and endorse it, just whether or not it was bad politically.
licensed to kill time
I’m calling a foul on the ND30 yard line for extra strawmen on the field, boring repetitiveness on plays and interference on thread. Penalty is banishment to his own blog until he gets a clue that no one is interested in his puke funneling prowess.
North Dallas Thirty
And just for another reminder of those O-bots here who are claiming that their party would never, never push through a doc fix and not include it in their health care bill because it would make them look bad…..oops.
Tell me, do you all even read? Or do you just let the Obama Party do your thinking for you? Since Nancy Pelosi and the Obama Party swear up and down that they never tried to push a doc fix, that they never supported a doc fix, and that they would never run a doc fix separately, you believe it — even though there’s clear, referenceable history to the contrary?
AxelFoley
@licensed to kill time:
LMMFAO!
Legalize
That’s what “bad” means, dip shit. This is really simple: (1) bad provision gets inserted to get Ben Nelson; (ii) Dems promise to remove provision from final bill; (iii) wingers stand in lock-step opposition to removal. When do you demand that McConnell and crew abandon this effort to remove the provision you claim to hate so much (yet clearly don’t even know what it is)? Because you support GOPer lock-step effort to keep the provision in the final bill, that means you fully support that provision. Which makes you what we already know you to be. Bend over for Nancy; this might hurt a little bit.
Chyron HR
@North Dallas Thirty:
Quotes, please. Yes, actual quotes, not links to a Politico story about a secret memo that they made up.
North Dallas Thirty
@Chyron HR:
And, as expected, the Obamabot can’t refute the information, so it tries to undercut the source.
Here’s another one: your Barack Obama supporting and endorsing any and all measures necessary to get Ben Nelson.
mantis
Cantor and Ryan are now trying their best to avoid talking about their fake memo. ““Who cares who wrote the memo?” says Ryan. He would care if the Democrats had written it. He knows they didn’t, so now he doesn’t want to talk about it.
Legalize
Wow, an unrelated story about having to get Ben Nelson because of the rules of the Senate. When do you condemn the GOP for its lock-step opposition to removing the so-called Cornhusker Kickcback from the final bill? Or have you run-off to get your talking points on that matter?
Legalize
Yeah, why aren’t Cantor and Ryan hammering the totally-not-fake-memo story? Couldn’t be because Ryan was actually caught faking his own numbers?
mantis
And@Legalize:
And Cantor already fell for the bullshit survey not conducted by the NEJM this week.
Ah, Republicans. Every argument based on a lie.
North Dallas Thirty
@Legalize:
LOL….yup, build a strawman to avoid the fact that your Barack Obama and your Obama Party pushed for, supported, endorsed, and ultimately voted for the Cornhusker Kickback.
Which you originally tried to deny existed, and then insisted that you were repealing it.
Chuck Butcher
Per the Cao interview on CNN, he is a no based on the Stupack analysis – period. Not a bit of waffle despite being pushed by Sanchez. I don’t know where the hell this “maybe” came from.
North Dallas Thirty
Quotes, please. Yes, actual quotes, not links to a Politico story about a secret memo that they made up.
Still in denial about your Obama and Pelosi endorsing a doc fix and then trying to avoid having it included in the cost of the bill?
Thought so. Of course, you could never under any circumstances criticize Obama or Pelosi. That would be racist and sexist, as you’ve screamed and whined on several occasions.
arguingwithsignposts
Wow. Concerned troll is concerned.
North Dallas Thirty
When do you condemn the GOP for its lock-step opposition to removing the so-called Cornhusker Kickcback from the final bill? Or have you run-off to get your talking points on that matter?
I love it.
When you confront an Obamabot, the steps apparently seem to be this:
— Deny everything
— Insist that you are trying to repeal that thing you just denied existed
— Attack people for things that they potentially could do in the future while trying to deny everything that you have done in the past.
mantis
@North Dallas Thirty:
Attack people for things that they potentially could do in the future
Pot, meet kettle.
Mnemosyne
Is anyone surprised that the “doc fix” that ND30 is so very exercised about is necessary because the Republicans fucked up their Medicare bill?
It’s like he’s fighting us off as we try to pull him out of a burning car.
AxelFoley
@Mnemosyne:
Re: ND30 – We don’t need no water, let that muthafucka burn!
mantis
@Mnemosyne:
Yep, the Republicans created the crap formula (perhaps intentionally, as many of them have the goal of getting rid of Medicare entirely, despite their bullshit defenses of the program over the past year), and Republicans created the crap, unfunded “fix” to the crap formula, which has now also been used by Democrats. Neither party wants to make cuts to pay to permanently fix things, so it goes on and on. Here’s hoping they fix the formula and pay for it next year.
Legalize
@North Dallas Thirty:
Right, fuck-wit. These manufactured standards of poutrage are the ones you brought to this thread – after getting caught pimping a fake memo story that even Cantor and Ryan won’t touch. I didn’t deny the existence of the provision, you little shit-for-brains liar. It’s not law. It’s not going to be in the final bill because Dems are rightfully going to remove it. Facts. When are you going to man up and stand by your professed principles and condemn your winger comrades in the Senate for opposing removal of the so-called Kickback (which you still haven’t demonstrated a working knowledge of)? Man up, loser.
North Dallas Thirty
Is anyone surprised that the “doc fix” that ND30 is so very exercised about is necessary because the Republicans fucked up their Medicare bill?
And the pattern repeats itself.
First the Obamabots tried to argue that there was no doc fix, that it didn’t exist, and that Republicans were lying for even saying such a thing.
Now they’re trying to argue that the doc fix is necessary and has to be passed because Republicans screwed up — after having denied that it ever existed or was necessary in the first place.
It gets hilarious. It’s like a spoiled teenager who wrecks the car, tries to deny it when the wrecked car is sitting right out there in the driveway, then tries blaming his parents for letting him drive in the first place.
North Dallas Thirty
And Legalize provides the best example yet.
I didn’t deny the existence of the provision, you little shit-for-brains liar.
Followed by:
When are you going to man up and stand by your professed principles and condemn your winger comrades in the Senate for opposing removal of the so-called Kickback (which you still haven’t demonstrated a working knowledge of)
So again, Legalize insists that they never denied the provision existed, then whines that the “so-called” provision doesn’t exist.
Followed by, of course, attacking me for an act that hasn’t even been committed yet, if indeed it occurs at all.
In this case, the teenager now denies that he denied wrecking the car, then tries to attack his parents because they’re going to get into a similar accident and then they’ll be hypocrites for criticizing him.
mantis
First the Obamabots tried to argue that there was no doc fix, that it didn’t exist, and that Republicans were lying for even saying such a thing.
Nope. The people with brains were arguing that the memo is a crock of shit written by Republicans.
Now they’re trying to argue that the doc fix is necessary and has to be passed because Republicans screwed up—after having denied that it ever existed or was necessary in the first place.
The first part is true, the second part is bullshit strawman.
It gets hilarious. It’s like a spoiled teenager who wrecks the car, tries to deny it when the wrecked car is sitting right out there in the driveway, then tries blaming his parents for letting him drive in the first place.
No one asked for your autobiography, dipshit.
North Dallas Thirty
And so the game begins; the separate legislation that Obama Party members insisted that they didn’t support has already started rearing its ugly head.
Mnemosyne
@North Dallas Thirty:
I see you have the common Republican problem of not understanding how a calendar works. The doc fix was passed in November. It is now March. That’s four months ago. You are now trying to claim that legislation that was passed four months ago is something brand new that just popped up and this memo totally reveals it.
Of course, the Republicans have now basically admitted that the memo is a fake, so we look forward to your sudden backpedaling about this horrifying conspiracy.
North Dallas Thirty
Nope. The people with brains were arguing that the memo is a crock of shit written by Republicans.
Of course. That’s because “the people with brains” insisted that the Obama Party had never wanted a doc fix, that it had never yanked it out of a previous bill to avoid having the real cost revealed, and that it had never tried to pass it as separate legislation.
Obviously, “the people with brains” refers to those who are carrying them in a jar at their side, because they’re certainly not using them to think and remember reality.
Mnemosyne
@North Dallas Thirty:
Ladies and gentlemen, Republican projection at its finest. Shorter version: “Nuh-uh! You’re the poopyhead, not me!”
Legalize
You really are a petulant infant. “So-called” meaning, “that’s what the provision is called colloquially.” It’s how adults distinguish the names of things when they’re referred to differently in different circumstances.
And you’re pretending to be outraged about a provision that isn’t law and won’t be – because the Dems are going to remove it from the final bill. Fact. So, to be clear, you aren’t condemning GOPers for their intention to not permit it to be removed.
Mnemosyne
@North Dallas Thirty:
Like the reality that the doc fix you keep linking to as “proof” that this memo is real happened four months ago?
But, hey, don’t let the fact that the Republicans are now disavowing the memo get in the way of you touting it. They must all be secret Obots and you’re the only one who knows the real truth.
Might be time to tighten the tinfoil hat a bit, because I think those radio messages from the CIA are still getting through.
North Dallas Thirty
And you’re pretending to be outraged about a provision that isn’t law and won’t be – because the Dems are going to remove it from the final bill.
Again, you are talking about removing a provision that you denied ever existed. Why would it need to be removed if it wasn’t there in the first place?
And it’s already been voted upon. The House has already stated that it deems the Senate bill passed and will send it to Obama for signature. It is essentially law.
AxelFoley
Gotta say, ND30 is a persistant bugger. I’ll give him that much.
North Dallas Thirty
The doc fix was passed in November. It is now March. That’s four months ago.
So now we have you trying to claim that legislation that you insisted didn’t exist in the first place isn’t relevant because it was already passed.
How do you pass nonexistent legislation? It’s like your conundrum of how to remove provisions from law that you swear never existed in the first place.
And here we thought Goldfield Syndrome was fiction. Appears it’s virtually endemic among liberal voters.
Legalize
Lie no. 1.
Lie no. 2.
I
“Essentially law.” Good work, inspector!
How come the GOPers aren’t pounding the totally-not-fake memo you originally came here to troll, princess? How come you’re not decrying any attempts to block removal of the kickback?
Mnemosyne
@North Dallas Thirty:
No, those are those voices in your head talking again. What I said is that the doc fix has already passed, so claiming that this memo is proof that the Democrats are secretly planning to pass a doc fix requires someone to get in a time machine and go back to November to prevent the doc fix legislation from passing the House.
Believe it or not, once legislation passes and is entered into the Congressional Record, it’s not exactly a secret.
You’re the one claiming that this “memo” is proof of a new and horrible plan on the part of Democrats, so you tell me. How is it that legislation that passed in November is now being touted as a secret plan that Republicans can derail?
North Dallas Thirty
LOL….did you miss your Pelosi’s latest statement?
Well, we have been including it in legislation for a long time, because it’s not about a doctor fix, it’s about our seniors or anyone who relies upon Medicare to have access to physicians, that they be in their region and in their program.
So this is again, you call it the doctor fix, but it is really about access to health care for Americans. It’s not in this bill, but we will have it soon. And we have made a commitment to do this. This is very important.
So again, we have Obama Party members openly admitting that they left the doc fix out of the bill with the full intention of pushing it later……….while screaming that a memo telling people that they left the doc fix out of the bill with the full intention of pushing it later is a complete and total lie.
Mnemosyne
@North Dallas Thirty:
Gee, too bad the Republicans aren’t going with your interpretation. Instead, they’re backing away from the memo as fast as they can. Eric Cantor sent the Politico story to reporters this morning and now says, “The question that you really ought to be asking is the hoax on the American people presented by the budget assumptions made on this bill.”
That’s sure a ringing endorsement for the authenticity of the memo that you are utterly convinced is true because the Democrats are — OMG! — planning to at some point fix an ongoing problem with the sloppy Republican Medicare legislation that’s costing more money than it was supposed to save. Those monsters! Don’t they know that every bill George W. Bush signed was perfect?!
North Dallas Thirty
Eric Cantor sent the Politico story to reporters this morning and now says, “The question that you really ought to be asking is the hoax on the American people presented by the budget assumptions made on this bill.”
And he’s absolutely right. The Obamabots like yourself that went out screaming that this was a “hoax” are quite clearly trying to divert attention away from what is clearly spelled out in the memo — that the Obama Party deliberately lied about their intentions, that the Obama Party has already promised to spend hundreds of billions of dollars for the “doc fix”, and that it was left out of this bill because it ruined the CBO numbers.
But then again, you denied that there ever was a “doc fix” or that Obama Party leaders had made a commitment to it in the first place, all of which Pelosi’s quote makes clear there are, so it’s no surprise that you’re trying to spin. Especially when said “doc fix”, had it actually been included in the bill, would have neatly destroyed any so-called “savings”, vastly pushed up the deficit numbers, and blown the bill well past $1 trillion.
Again, Obama Party members are all about appearances. They don’t care about how many lies they have to tell if they can get what they want.
Mnemosyne
@North Dallas Thirty:
Show me where I said there was no doc fix. I’ll wait here while you find it.
Your own links show that the Democrats have been very open about the fact that the Republicans fucked up doctor reimbursements in their Medicare bill and that Democrats will have to fix the Republicans’ mistake. As usual. Democrats have been trying to fix it for years. Pretending that there’s some super-secret plan that only you know about to fix the Republican screw-up is what’s making you look like a moron. Cantor and his pals leaping on a forged memo as “proof” of some nefarious secret plan is what’s making them look like morons.
So, once again, Nancy Pelosi is cleaning up after your party’s mistake and you’re whining and crying that the problem that you caused is going to cost too much money to fix. You know what? You should have thought of that before you broke it. Shut up, sit down, and let the grownups try to fix it before you drag everyone down.
ETA: Forging a document to “prove what everyone knows” is still forgery. How’d all those forged documents work out for you guys with Iraq?
celticdragonchick
@Felonious Wench:
He definitely has a “thing” for GLBT blogs, doesn’t he?
I also notice he is fan of white racist Dan Riehl and VDARE contributor and all around shrieking harpy Michelle Malkin.
Word to North Dallas 30:
Associate yourself with men of good quality, if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company.
George Washington’s Rules of Civility & Decent Behavior, #56
North Dallas Thirty
Show me where I said there was no doc fix. I’ll wait here while you find it.
Start in the comment 30s. Every single one of your fellow Obama Party syncophants and you started denying it. I seem to recall you saying that the doc fix was a rumor, just like “yellowcake”.
Of course, like a good syncophant, when denial didn’t work, you tried to blame it on the Republicans, setting up again the ludicrous example of you trying to blame the Republicans for something you were previously saying didn’t exist in the first place.
And now, when you’re forced to admit that Pelosi IS making secret deals and deliberately left the “doc fix” out of the bill because of the cost, you start whining about how “necessary” it is and how we can’t wait another second for it — which is, of course, why you left it out of the health care bill.
The grownups already have looked at the bill. Irresponsible teenagers like yourself are the ones still in denial about how much it costs and thinking you can hide the fact. Kind of puts the lie to the “transparency” promise, but as we see with your hero Charles Rangel, the Obama Party is about as transparent and honest as lead.
North Dallas Thirty
@celticdragonchick:
So what should one think about those who support and endorse racists like Jeremiah Wright, terrorists like Bill Ayers, and corrupt lying criminals like Kwame Kilpatrick, Rezko, and others?
Mnemosyne
@North Dallas Thirty:
“Yellowcake” wasn’t a rumor. It had documents to back it up. It turned out that those documents were forged.
I realize that your head injury prevents you from remembering things that happened 7 years ago, but maybe you should consult Wikipedia to refresh your memory, or perhaps consult a dictionary to understand the difference between “rumor” and “forgery.”
Again, since you don’t understand the difference between a rumor and a forgery, you started claiming that we said that the doc fix didn’t exist. What we said was that the memo that Republicans were crowing about was a fake. A forgery. And it turned out that we were right.
So of course, you tried to change the subject and claim that we were saying that the doc fix was a fake, not that the memo was a fake and brought out all kinds of links to “prove” that the doc fix wasn’t a fake even though no one had said it was.
I have to say, you really are the purest example of Republican projection that I’ve seen in a while. Your answer to everything in this thread has been, “Nuh-uh, you did it, not me!” You decided what you wanted our answer to be, and you’ve pretended through this whole thread that you got that response. The fact that no one here actually gave you that response doesn’t matter because you had your talking points all in a row and, damn it, you were going to change the conversation to what you wanted to talk about even if it meant lying about what other people said.
celticdragonchick
@North Dallas Thirty:
Irrelevant to your own associations. The President can answer for himself.
Why are you a fan of an outright racist like Dan Riehl, or Michelle Malkin who has written for the white nationalist organization VDARE?
celticdragonchick
@North Dallas Thirty:
Additional historical note:
American politicians today have an almost universal Achilles heel in that the political system is thoroughly corrupted from within by influence and money. For every Tony Rezko or Jeremiah Wright there is also at Jack Abramoff or Tony Perkins.
In the immediate post colonial period, political parties and professional lobbying did not yet exist. The expected social norm was for ‘great men’ who had achieved wealth, influence and education to put aside their business dealings and enter public service literally as service to the people. By ending business dealings and being able to live off their earned wealth, it was presumably difficult or impossible to gain financial leverage and influence over a gentlemen thus engaged.
The ideal that was espoused by Washington and other Founders was that a public servant must be ‘disinterested’.
That is, he must be above any reproach and cannot expect to gain in any way from his decisions. He must act in as far and impartial way as humanly possible. This was a result of the patronage system where enterprising and promising young men and older boys might be noticed by a man of means who would act as a patron and take them as apprentices or send them to select schools at his expense. These young men would be indebted to him for favors, but would also continue the tradition which was a means of spreading wealth and education beyond the familial lines of old aristocracy.
After making his fortune, such a man was expected to give back to his community in service. That is what is lost now, and Washington was right to warn about the dangers of partisanship that were already becoming evident in his own lifetime.
The result is that the corrupt and demagogues have seized our democracy in a deathgrip, and it is impossible to be clean while perversely also trying to serve.
North Dallas Thirty
Why are you a fan of an outright racist like Dan Riehl, or Michelle Malkin who has written for the white nationalist organization VDARE?
That would be because Riehl and Malkin, unlike Obama Party members, judge on the content of character rather than on skin color.
“Racism”, as screamed by the Obama Party, is not acknowledging that black or minority individuals are always right and that all white people are evil.
For example, all criticism of Barack Obama is considered “racist” simply because of his black skin color. Sonia Sotomayer stated that Latina women are always more intelligent than white males. That is a ludicrous statement wholly based on racist beliefs, but it is supported and endorsed by the Obama Party.
AxelFoley
Comedy gold right here, folks.
North Dallas Thirty
And it turned out that we were right.
Actually, no. You simply have confused the fact that your Obama Party told you it was a fake with that being the truth.
Again, you keep flailing and denying — first denying that the Cornhusker kickback existed, denying that the doc fix existed — and then, when that fails, attacking the Republicans for these things that you claim never existed in the first place.
And now, when you’re forced to admit that Pelosi IS making secret deals and deliberately left the “doc fix” out of the bill because of the cost, you start whining about how “necessary” it is and how we can’t wait another second for it—which is, of course, why you left it out of the health care bill.
The joy of this entire process is that the naked disrespect and hatred that the Obama Party has for voters and businesses is coming out into the bright light.
North Dallas Thirty
Irrelevant to your own associations. The President can answer for himself.
Actually, they’re quite relevant. It establishes a nice baseline for what you consider to be bad behavior.
For example, since Obama clearly supports and endorses people who blow up police stations and tried to kill hundreds of American military personnel and their civilian acquaintances, would you state that these actions are acceptable?
celticdragonchick
@North Dallas Thirty:
Dan Riehl talking about wanting to hit black kids who talk too loud or Michelle Malkin writing for a white nationalist organization, for starters. I’m no fan of Wright or Ayers either, for that matter.
Predictably, however, you refuse to answer honestly and instead engage in the Red Herring fallacy to distract from the initial question. I think that tells me all I need to know about you.
celticdragonchick
@North Dallas Thirty:
Cite where the President has endorsed these purported people. Who? When? Are people really still trying to flog that dead horse about his being in Ayers house once for a meeting with other people? Your tin foil hat is slipping a bit, methinks.
I have a feeling you are going to quote some excrescense from Breibart, Fox news or WorldNutDaily…
North Dallas Thirty
Dan Riehl talking about wanting to hit black kids who talk too loud or Michelle Malkin writing for a white nationalist organization, for starters.
Again, the hilarity.
— The party that openly supports abortion to eliminate “undesirable” minority members is whining about talking about doing something to black kids who talk too loud.
— The party that openly endorses the New Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan, and Leonard Jeffries is suddenly obsessed over what they claim is a “white nationalist” organization.
Malkin, I can understand your fury. She’s female and she’s Asian, which, by the rules of the Obama Party, means she should be thanking her benevolent white tuans in the Obama Party and obediently bending over for them. She has no right to think for herself and should be doing only what her betters in the Obama Party tell her to do.
But Riehl? That’s an interesting one. I think it has to do something with the fact that he did such a fine job of digging up the DNC money trail to those “ethics”-concerned individuals who were attacking Sarah Palin while openly rhapsodizing about having sex with their students.
celticdragonchick
@North Dallas Thirty:
And again, you slip into Red Herring discussions.
Dan Riehl’s racist fantasy black kid beat down here…
Michelle Malkin and her posts at VDARE (named for the first white child born in America, I kid you not…)
North Dallas Thirty
Are people really still trying to flog that dead horse about his being in Ayers house once for a meeting with other people?
Actually, it goes a lot deeper than that.
But that’s cute. I love how you obediently repeat Obama’s talking point that this doesn’t exist, that it’s only “excrescense” and so forth. It’s always amazing how well Obama has his bots trained to believe that anything negative about him is made up.
celticdragonchick
@North Dallas Thirty:
Yep. They were on a charity board together. Some Republicans were on the board too. That makes them terrorists also, I imagine
Tim F.
Where is the birth certificate?!?
North Dallas Thirty
Funny, isn’t it, how you don’t actually focus on the article you were presented.
No, we are talking about William Ayers hosting a fundraiser for Barack Obama and actively working with him to secure Barack’s first electoral victory in Illinois. But wait, there is more. Barack and Ayers also served on the board of the Woods Fund. And they worked together to give money to some other folks, including a group with ties to the PLO.
Furthermore, your attempt to use the Annenberg situation to defend Obama nicely contradicts your previous insistence that Obama had only interacted with Ayers once at his house and had never seen or done anything else with him.
Are people really still trying to flog that dead horse about his being in Ayers house once for a meeting with other people?
Second, you’re trying to attack people for associating with someone who you claimed once thought about allegedly “beating up black kids who were talking too loud” — while you fully endorse and support your Barack Obama associating with people who ADMITTED they blew up police stations, killed police officers, and wanted to kill hundreds of military personnel.
All of which they claim their Obama Party beliefs and support of Obama’s ideals justify.
All the same, I am uncomfortable in making private religious matters a topic for public examination. I don’t really care where you go to church, and where I go is none of your frakking business.
Correction. You are uncomfortable with making Obama’s multi-decade affiliation with a racist, anti-Semitic church led by a lunatic who blames Jews for all the world’s problems and who Obama himself praised as his “spiritual mentor public.
Anyone else? No problem. We’ve seen you on the threads about “religious wingnuts”.
Since I was a fellow traveler, I ought to know.
That was before you discovered how cool abortion was and how the fact that you were a woman insulated you from actually having to be competent in the Obama Party, right?
AxelFoley
For fuck’s sake, dude…
danimal
The coming right wing freakout, a taste of which we can see right here, will be EPIC. I can’t wait. They will go ballistic on lefty blogs, but the real fun will be the internecine GOP teabagger/establishment smackdown. They will tear each other up once their fragile unity proves to be ineffective.
Buy popcorn futures. But first, Pass.The.Damn.Bill.