Yes! There is! (Pete Thamel: “Midmajors Show They Deserve A Better Deal”) Tim F. is a wonderful person on many levels, including the tireless whipping!
2.
flyingdonut
i contacted Melissa Bean’s (my father lives in her district) office and thanked her. The nice staffer said they were getting significant traffic in “thanks” calls.
3.
Gus
Twins signed Joe Mauer.
4.
Keith G
jeffreyw, got any recipes for ground turkey – lots of ground turkey (it was on sale)?
5.
LuciaMia
Well, it’s raining again here in Jersey. More repetition.
“Breaking Bad” season #3 premier was last night. I watched the first 15 minutes before switching to C-SPAN for the final HCR vote. Will watch the remainder of BB tonight with the spousal unit. Bryan Cranston rox!
Edit: oh, and a Tunch or Lily pix would be welcome at this time. Kthxbai.
Since I just got here and haven’t had a chance to talk about it yet, I just want to say goooooooooooooooooooooooooolBama!
Yes He Did!
That is all.
10.
Paul in KY
4jkb4ia, thank’s for posting the article. Agree that more mid-majors should be in tourney & when they do get in, they are almost always underseeded.
Do not agree with expanding tourney to 96 teams. Right now, I think UNI is the favorite to come out of Midwest bracket.
11.
New Yorker
I’m still on cloud 9 after Cornell absolutely annihilated Temple and Wisconsin this past weekend. Now a Thursday night showdown with #1 Kentucky on what’s practically Cornell’s home turf (Ithaca is about an hour’s drive from the Carrier Dome. Lexington….isn’t). A story about the Big Red was on the front page of Yahoo sports last night.
I am giddy. They’re playing with house money now and I don’t expect a win, but stranger things have happened.
Watched Shutter Island yesterday, great movie IMO.
15.
Brian J
I’m sure this has been said already, but since there’s a flurry of threads, and I had to step out a moment, I’d like to say it again:
We need to be vigiliant in correcting myths about what just happened.
I’ve been listening to random people talk about it today, and if I had to sum up one complaint that unites everyone, it’s that this will make insurance worse for people who already have it. I don’t know how people are reaching such a conclusion, but some are.
Anything bad that happens involving health care, no matter how ludicrously connected, will be tied to last night’s vote. There’s only so much I, as one person, can do, and I will try do do it. But the Democrats at the national level need to be prepared to beat back the stream of bullshit that’s going to come from Republicans.
Absolutely! I’m going to bitch about the use of the phrase ‘cognitive dissonance’.
Cognitive Dissonance is not about holding two contradicting beliefs, and whether or not you see any conflict in them. Cognitive Dissonance is the bizarre process (very, very well documented) where when people perform an action, they rearrange their beliefs to support that action. It can be amazingly subtle and evil, is the basis of brainwashing and is used all the time in advertising, mercantile and political. If you so much as convince someone to take a free button with Darth Vader’s face on it you’ve seriously increased their odds of voting for him.
Remember, knowing is half the battle!
18.
Omnes Omnibus
I mentioned this in an earlier thread, but what the heck. Since I live in Wisconsin, I called the State’s Dem reps and congratulated them. Then, in a fit of something or other, I called Paul Ryan to ask how he could vote against the interests of his constituents (BJ commenter martha’s suggested question). It was fun.
19.
Fergus Wooster
@Dreggas: Saw it Saturday. Cliche to say, but the book was far superior.
Leo did his angsty, Departed schtick from beginning to end. The film suffered, I think, from not making his grief more central to his performance (in the book, it defines him easily as much as his wrath).
Beautifully shot, though, and love the soundtrack.
20.
DecidedFenceSitter
We could always discuss the FCC’s Telecom Changes and what they mean, and how they are limited by the monopolies from what can actually be achieved. However, that’s too similar to the HCR debate.
Anyway, here’s an interesting article about the ongoing battle between The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal. I’m going to keep my print edition subscription to The Journal until a couple of weeks after this new section starts, just so I can see what it looks like, but after that, I will switch to online only, because I came to the conclusion last week I don’t like reading broadsheet newspapers in print. Magazines, yes, but most newspapers, no. (The tabloid style is okay, but I usually flip through one while waiting for food at a deli.) I’m curious to see how everything shakes out, and if, after a couple of months, what the higher ups at NewsCorp do to stop Murdoch from throwing away so much money, if at all possible.
The trouble with following after a Rep administration is that it just takes so much to clean up after them. The list is endless, just reading the new Rolling Stone article by Jeff Goodell on Coal’s Toxic Sludge and it goes on. Good thing about last night is it will give good creds to leadership to continue to go after all these messes.
I yearn for the good old simpler times
25.
tripletee
I’m wondering why Democrats are so happy today. After this so-called “historic” victory, I thought maybe things would finally be different. But no – I got up this morning and looked outside, and you know what I saw? No breadlines snaking around the block. No workers in drab clothing laboring dutifully for the collective. Tax-payer funded abortion clinics/gay marriage chapels on every street corner? Nope. The sun was even shining, for Christ’s sake.
Tim F. is a wonderful person on many levels, including the tireless whipping!
Well, if he’s into that kind of thing, then okay, I guess. I hope he has a safe word.
30.
licensed to kill time
@TooManyJens: I like the way he claims he was only talking about the bill, not Stupak. Also, who says ” I exclaimed the phrase” ?!
31.
Sock Puppet of the Great Satan
Tripletee:
I tried calling Pelosi’s office to join the work teams sending the teabaggers to Revolutionary Progressive and Benign Re-Education and Gay Marriage Camps, but no joy. (Why else do you think progressives support Amtrak? Gotta keep that infrastructure to get people to our glorious People’s gulag).
Unfortunately, nobody knew what I was talking about. Maybe they’re still working out the details.
32.
jl
The Pacific Coast will show those eastern basketball snoots.
GGGGGGOOOOOOO St Mary’s!
Too bad Washington has to take down WV. I feel sad for Cole.
33.
Robertdsc-iphone
. One! Term! President!
I personally can’t wait for Molotov’s next video about HCR repeal. Teleprompt this, indeed!
34.
Corner Stone
I have a question:
For any D’s that voted against HCR, is their punishment that Pelosi will now make them see Avatar?
I personally canāt wait for Molotovās next video about HCR repeal
I can.
36.
Bad Horse's Filly
I know you want to change the subject, but I did not see this coming:
I’m sitting here in tears. XXXX came in this morning, yelled the n-word at me and said this was all my fault and the country is pretty much fucked because of it. Our political differences have never been personal before.
This is my friend who just said this to me. I don’t know how he’s going to walk back from this. And I can tell you, while I understand what’s going on, I don’t see how, if (and it’s a big if) he apologizes how I move on from it. I have certain lines that can’t be crossed and he just crossed 2 of them.
37.
jl
Are Cole’s owners pleased with the new digs he found for them?
Edit: BHF, sorry to hear that. Certain peoples’ pretend world is crumbling around them, and they do not know what to do. It will only get worse since their pretend world is a fraud sold to them in order to squeeze them dry. They are in a tight place. Take some deep breaths and time to reflect that as things get better for average people, these poor deluded folks may begin to see things differently.
38.
Legalize
@Dreggas: Mrs. Legalize and I saw it Saturday night.
SPOILERS:
It took me a while to buy into the movie because I just couldn’t tell where Leo’s character was coming from. The litany of drawn-out dream-sequences bugged the hell out of me. It wasn’t until the certain conversation Leo had with George in unit C, and the conversations thereafter with Patty Clarkson’s character in the cave, and the conversation with the military man in the jeep that the preceding hour and 15 minutes or whatever sunk in in terms of the Leo’s story and where the director was trying to take me as an observer of the character.
It was the last bit with Leo and Ruffalo I found most compelling. Leo had faced certain realities – as matters of fact – but still couldn’t live with them in his head. That was chilling to me – his ultimate decision – knowing and appreciating full well for the first time in the movie, the consequences of his choices. And choosing to take that step, after seeking the exact opposite throughout the picture. That was masterful. The music was also A+ work. Of course, Hitchcock did all of this stuff 60 years ago. ;)
39.
Bnut
I just discovered Eastbound and Down and come to find out it’s only 6 episodes, and no word on when the next season is coming.
Also, I am at work or else I would find and post the “common clay of the the Old West, you know, morons” clip from Blazing Saddles.
41.
Violet
@Bad Horseās Filly:
Oh, my gosh. How awful. (((hug))) I hope you guys can at least talk about it at some point. Probably not now when emotions are so high. XXXX sure doesn’t sound like a great friend at the moment.
42.
JoyceH
I called Congressman King’s office just a little while ago and read the staffer who answered the phone the Riot Act for King’s despicable behavior last night. The staffer was all, “well, he didn’t LITERALLY mean it”, and I read the quote back to the guy. I really got worked up, frankly, and said King needed to get his mug in front of a camera and apologize and state specifically that he is NOT in favor of insurrection, civil war, or political violence. I said that a lot of us are worried about the threats of violence coming from the right, and if anything happens to the President or the Speaker, we’ll know who to hold responsible for it. Dunno if it did any good, but damn, it sure felt good.
43.
Fern
@Keith G: Turkey burgers. Make sure there is some fresh parsley and some scallions in the mix.
Stir-fry. Cook the ground turkey with chopped scallions, minced garlic and a LOT of minced ginger. Try to keep the meat a bit chunky. In a separate pan, stir-fry the vegetables of your choice. Add them to the skillet with the turkey and add the sauce of your choice. Heat through and eat with rice or noodles.
44.
Zam
According to my yahoo page Miley Cyrus is trending higher that anything about health care….
I want to point out to everyone that this was not only a triumph for people who don’t have health insurance.
This may very well have been the opening salvo in the upcoming war against the banks. The student loan reform elements of this bill have radically changed things, much more than anyone seems to be understanding. The very first bit of corporate welfare has been wiped out. I cannot ever remember a corporate welfare program being completely dismantled.
All those whining lefties complaining about how this bill was a corporate sellout are full of shit in every possible way. This, in fact, might be one of the most radical liberal bills ever, just for what has just happened to the student loan market.
The wingnut and teabagger tears over this are mighty sweet, but the Sallie Mae and Citibank tears are even sweeter to me.
Representative Steve King from Iowa is mad as hell and not going to take it any more: “Letās beat that other side to a pulp! Letās take them out. Letās chase them down. Thereās going to be a reckoning!” Also he hints Iowa is going to secede from the union. Yay! Any other red state takers? Haven’t heard from Rick Perry in a while.
@Keith G: I know you didn’t ask me, but I thought I’d throw my two cents in, too. This jalapeno burgers recipe would be great with turkey. JeffW is right, chili is a good choice, pasta sauce another. Any of the recipes that call for ground beef you can substitute turkey – sometimes you just want to really spice it up with garlic, or curry or peppers to give it a zing, because it can be a bit bland (though I love turkey in any form, so bring it on).
And thanks, I needed a distraction….though I guess I could try working, but I think that ship has sailed today.
What the hell would he know about anything scientific?
52.
Randy P
@Bad Horseās Filly:
Having unfortunately had some family members who were sucked into destructive religious cults, I’ve become attuned to cult behavior. Republicanism at this point is a cult. I’ve been making this connection for years. There are way too many similarities, down to the shutting down of the brain and screaming and yelling if there is any danger of logic treading on the cult beliefs. Cult members had a word for this, I think it was “mind-stop”, where suddenly you are furious for no reason and almost panicking, and you have to stop the conversation RIGHT NOW and leave the room.
People starting to wake up are subject to a lot of anger, much of it really coming from anger at themselves for having given so much emotional energy (not to mention money and years of their lives) to evil people.
Your ex-friend may be going through a belief crisis. Or may be a dead-ender. Only time will tell.
53.
Violet
If you’re looking for some entertainment, tune into Rush Limbaugh today. I’ve been listening to his show as I was driving in the car. He is pissed off. I listened after the election in 2008 and he wasn’t this angry. He’s taking it personally this time.
“We have to vote the bastards out of office!” “Stupak is a traitor!” Bwahahahahahahaha! Ah, the delicious taste of wingnut tears in the morning. Couldn’t be finer.
I tried calling Pelosiās office to join the work teams sending the teabaggers to Revolutionary Progressive and Benign Re-Education and Gay Marriage Camps, but no joy. (Why else do you think progressives support Amtrak? Gotta keep that infrastructure to get people to our glorious Peopleās gulag).
…
Unfortunately, nobody knew what I was talking about. Maybe theyāre still working out the details.
Working out the bureaucracy on how it is all going to work is difficult, what with having to have affirmative action on coming up with quotas to bolster the number of Strapping Young Bucks that are going to have to be engaged in both management and subordinate positions. There’s the tiered pay and work schedules to create that will have to meet the approval of the SEIU representatives, not to mention the ACORN consultancy standards and contracts to draft.
To top it off, the lists of saintly old white grannies to be euthanized are going to be a real bitch to get loaded into an excel sheet, since our data entry people are impoverished single welfare mothers on a special “welfare to work” program.
55.
bkny
Toast! … :-D
A simple gesture in protest to get the message across
Vanity
Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 9:06:01 AM by nesnah
As a gesture to all of the traitors that screwed over the United States of America last night, I propose the following:
Place a piece of bread in your toaster. “Cook” it until it is charred black. Place charred toast in a suitable envelope. Mail said envelope to your representative in DC.
I’m the dad of an almost 22-year-old who was asking me an hour ago where she can get details about getting back on our insurance. And she and us, her parents, are deep in student loan debt.
I don’t know right now where to find info about either one.
@Bad Horseās Filly: Man, I’m sorry to hear that. It’s bad enough that there are people who can do that to strangers, but to someone he knows? A friend?
There are a whole lot of lines that should never be crossed there.
That’s terrible. Your “friend” is not your friend. Nope, and never was. Anyone who could say such things to you IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. And you have done nothing to deserve such abuse. Nothing.
I’m absolutely infuriated on your behalf. Just sitting here with steam coming out of my ears. Send him on over to me. I’ll teach him what respect is all about.
Kaplan just hired Dave Weigel to cover conservative politics and the teabagger movement. While I often disagree with Weigel, he is one of the few sober conservatives out there and I hope he keeps to his old form and raises the level of political discourse.
61.
KDP
@Bad Horseās Filly: I am so sorry that this happened to you. Some have no way to express their frustration except to lash out to others, I regret that you were a target for that individual’s frustration.
I hope it helps that you were able to come here for a sympathetic shoulder or ten.
62.
Randy P
This is kind of random but, HCR aside, this does seem to be a sort of random thread.
Just finished a Robin Cook book. Not the first one I’ve read. But this one kept hitting me over and over with the thought, “this guy is a really bad writer, isn’t he?” Does anyone else concur? What is it that makes me feel like his stuff was written by a high-schooler? I can’t quite put my finger on it.
That’s aside from his trying very obviously to write a Dan Brown book, complete with weird fringe Catholic cultist/killers working to protect Ancient Vatican Secrets (TM).
@bkny: Awesome. Do we have a tag for “winger campaign to send stuff to congressional offices which they’re sure will send a very clear message but which will completely mystify the unfortunate staffers who have to open it”? If we don’t, we should.
64.
SIA
I have Morning Joe on in the background. WTF happened to Laurene O’Donnell? He sounds bitter. (And no, I am still HCR all the time)
Ground turkey meatball soup with a southwest/mexican flavor —
Mix turkey with some crumbled bread (I wet the bread with water or milk, then wring it out) and an egg or two. Salt and pepper. Now take 1 or 2 cloves of garlic, about a teaspoon of cumin seeds, and some jalapeno peppers — I usually use canned ones, but the fresh are good, too. In NJ it’s easier to get canned. How much jalapeno depends on your taste and how hot the peppers are — I usually use about a tablespoon of peppers but YMMV. Start small if you’re leery of heat. Crush the cumin seeds with the garlic and the peppers, or very finely mince the peppers. Mix into the meatball mixture. Fry up a small spoonful and correct the seasonings.
You can either make this into spicy turkeyburger patties on the grill, which are very good, or you can make the soup. I drop the turkey mixture by the spoonful into hot chicken/turkey broth, usually with some rice and some drained chickpeas, chopped up zucchini, in the broth, too. Cook until the meatballs all rise to the top. If you eat it right away, the meatballs are hot and spicy and the broth and veggies are mild and intensely turkey flavored. If you let it sit around until the next day, the spice migrates into the broth and the meatballs are milder. Either way, incredibly yummy, different, inexpensive, easy.
There’s been talk of the private insurance market collapsing entirely, the point where it becomes unaffordable for most people, in the coming years. For a few reasons, I think that may happen.
Let’s say that it does, and we then need some sort of expanded public program, because the private companies are more or less no longer in business. We will then have the sort of government involvement that many think is necessary. In the mean time, all sorts of good things will have happened because of this bill.
I don’t know if it’s a corporate sell out bill, because I am not sure of the standards that I need to judge that by. But even if it is, who cares if it does nothing but hold us over until private insurance companies are no longer relevant?
Also, I am trying to learn more about the student loan changes, because I ended up on a Cato Institute blog and was reading something extremely negative. I don’t necessarily put too much stock in what that place has to say, but I still need to learn more about this issue. Of course, upon first glance, this is a very, very good change,
68.
David in NY
@JoyceH: Thank you for making that call to King. What a good idea.
69.
Origuy
@bkny: Yeah, an envelope full of breadcrumbs and black dust. That’s going to get through security!
70.
SIA
@Bad Horseās Filly: Good grief, that is horrible. I am sorry that someone is so out of balance and irrational that they could do that, especially to a friend. You’re one of the nicest people here, and we all love and support you. And you’re right, some things can’t be walked back.
Steve King does realize that Iowa went for the commienazimuslimkenyantraitor in the 2008 election, right?
By all means, Steve, lead an insurrection. It’d be nice if every presidential candidate didn’t have to kiss your state’s ass with farm subsidy promises every 4 years in the Iowa caucus.
(no offense to any Iowans reading this comment, Ali Faroukmanesh is God!)
@Randy P: This, this, this! It’s exactly what this felt like. I cannot convey how shocked I was by all of this. We work in a small company and we’re all very close.
Want to know how to freak a bunch of men out – crying when they’ve never in all the time they’ve known you, never seen you do it. I am the only XX here. It was kinda funny.
p.s. thanks to everyone for the shoulder, I wasn’t sure how I was going to get through the day, but I knew here was a safe haven.
You are spot on with your comparison to cult behavior. I have long thought the teabagger anger comes from them feeling duped and betrayed, but they can’t admit that they were so wrong. They have to project those feelings onto The Other(s) because it would be so devastating otherwise to their worldview.
ETA – Bad Horse’s Filly, I am so sorry that happened to you. It shocked me just to read it, I know it must have been much worse to experience it. I hope he feels ashamed of himself at some point when he cools down…
Iām sitting here in tears. XXXX came in this morning, yelled the n-word at me and said this was all my fault and the country is pretty much fucked because of it. Our political differences have never been personal before.
I’m so sorry, BHF. This happened to me with a relative– she got right up in my face during what had been an otherwise innocuous conversation and started screaming obscenities at me. I was really shaken and had to avoid her for months.
It took me a while to realize that she had other serious issues going on. Unfortunately, our relationship has never recovered. Doing so would require our talking about the Incident, and a) I now live six time zones away from her; b) the few times I have seen her, it’s clear she is embarrassed by my presence and would rather die than talk about it.
It’s up to XXXX to make a move, though– you are owed an apology. Meanwhile, try to act as neutral as you possibly can whenever you’ve no choice but to interact.
@Michael:
I’m sorry, but your entire theory here is ridiculous. Everyone knows that these welfare mothers and Strapping Young Bucks don’t WANT to work. They want to drive cadillacs while talking on their cel phones and getting abortion after abortion. If they were willing to work for the wheelbarrows of money the government dumps on them to not work, this wouldn’t be an issue, because the Invisible Hand Of The Market would ensure they became Captains Of Industry.
Really, man. Have you studied? Do you WATCH Fox News?
@Violet: Wow, Violet. You have a stronger stomach than me to listen to Rush. I can barely stand him when KO or Stephanie Miller play clips of him on their respective programs. People like Limbaugh are seriously in need of psychological help.
80.
liberty60
Reading through the tears in Wingnuttia, I noticed all the freakout about how we are sliding into welfare dependency, away from the proud strong self reliance of our forebears, most notably the “Greatest Generation”….
Which is total, unadulterated BS. It’s BS of Orwellian heights, and will be one of the tools used to resist the prgressive agenda every inch of the way.
We need to push back on this, reminding people that the Greatest Generation was the author and enactor of the New Deal. The men who stormed up Normandy Beach were showered after the war with lavish benefits of government medical care and the guarantees of free college education and governmental housing loans. The women who built the B-25’s were unionized government workers.
And a goodly number of them were actual, card-carrying members of the Soshulist, if not Kommunist parties during the Depression. And were damn proud of it.
And they all embraced a progressive tax structure that had 90% rates on the rich.
I guess this irks me so much because what we passed last night was the sort of health care bill that Truman/FDR would have nodded at, but bitched about for not being expansive enough.
The financial reform that will end life as we know it is really just restoring the safeguards that were approved by both parties in 1935.
I can laugh at the RedStaters who intone mock-heroic pledges of their sacred honor and fortunes to fight teh ebil Kenyan Kommie, but their central argument has become the Village wisdom, that this is a radical step into uncharted territory.
This stupidity needs to be pushed back against.
81.
maus
To talk about something that’s not HCR, I hate going to the movies, but I managed to finally get around to seeing Paranormal Activity at home (with the alternate ending) and was pleased that it lived up to the hype. I’m a pretty big rationalist who loves horror flicks and has a history of night terrors, and I was really excited by the end.
@Bad Horseās Filly: He’s right about one thing. It is your fault. It is your fault that kids will not feel terrified about graduating college lest they lose their access to health insurance. It is your fault that people can start a small business without the fear that one bad turn will make them uninsurable on the individual market. It is your fault that this asshole friend will never have to worry about medical bankruptcy if and when he loses this job that he clearly does not deserve.
It is your fault. You did your share to make it happen. IMO you ought to feel proud as hell about that.
So sorry. That stinks and it must hurt like hell. The one positive that could come out of it is that if he can see how he acted, truly, and with humility, it may be a teachable moment and you two may be able to reach out in love to one another. If false pride gets in his way then he will wall off what he did and blame you (in his prideful mind in self defense) for his bad actions.
@martha: The staffer I spoke to was polite. He did not have an answer for me but said that they could get back to me with one. I think my point was made though.
@Bad Horseās Filly: Oh my good lord. Honey. I am so, so sorry. There aren’t really any words to help when a friend betrays, and so egregiously. I hope you surround yourself with other, true, friends today and allow yourself to feel their love, and the pride you should absolutely feel in helping to get this thing done.
I know you not at all, but I wish I could hug you, and I wish I could remove this person from your life and from the echoing places inside your thoughts.
And thank you Therese, Fern, Svensker and of course jeffreyw.
I may need to go back and buy more with so many options.
91.
Chat Noir
@Max: Yay and congrats! Is Max the Wheaten excited about a big car trip to his new home? (That is, I assume he will have a car trip to his new home.)
92.
MIchael
People should donate to Tarryl Clark’s “moneybomb” fundraiser. See here.
She’s running against Michele Bachmann, and trying to counter a visit to Minny from Sarah Palin.
I know the guy running her field operations, he was my Regional Field Director when I was an Obama FO in Indiana during the primaries, and he’s one of the best organizers the campaign had. Worth supporting their operation IMO
Well, it really does more to help students in the future than it does those who have already gotten the loans. The main features are:
1) The FFELP program is abolished. FFELP is the second of two federal student loan programs, both providing the same Stafford and PLUS Loans (the other is called Direct Loans). Unlike Direct Loans, in which the student or parent borrows directly from the U.S. Dept. of Education, FFELP loans required the use of a middle man lender. The USDE would give the lender the money to provide as Stafford and PLUS Loans, the lender would take a piece off the top of the interest and origination fees (making the interest and fees on this program’s loans higher than that of the Direct Loans), disburse the money to the students and schools, and be completely protected from any of the risks of lending because any defaulted loans were immediately turned back over to USDE. The lenders, in other words, got a government subsidy for providing loans they risked nothing for and on which they profited more than the government which provided them the principal of the loan.
2) Provides for more and higher limit Pell Grants and will wipe out a current shortfall in the Pell Grant funding.
4) $1.5 billion to provide more generous income-based repayment to student loan borrowers. This is a relatively new program that allows students to base student loan repayment on what their income actually is.
Of course, #1 is what has them freaking out. It is truly radical to get rid of FFELP. They have been having as big a freakout over this idea as the wingnuts have been having over HCR. They know their free lunch is gone, baby, gone.
I may need to go back and buy more with so many options.
If you haven’t made anything with it yet i would suggest trying it out a little first.
I personally do not care for ground turkey. Don’t like the consistency, the overall texture, or the inherent lack of flavor. Just IMO.
I’d also watch out for recipes that call for ground beef when you substitute – the turkey is obviously a lot more dry when it cooks so some adjustments may be needed.
96.
Violet
@Chat Noir:
I listen to Rush on a semi-regular basis when I’m in the car at that time. I like to keep tabs on the other side and on days like this it’s pure entertainment. Felt like I needed some popcorn to go along with it. LOL.
@Bad Horseās Filly:
Just wanted to add that as horrible as it was, it could also be that he has other things going on in his life and all his anger came out in relation to the health care issue and that you, unfortunately, were in the wrong place at the wrong time and were on the receiving end of it. It doesn’t excuse it and he definitely should be the one to apologize. But it might explain it a little of it
Been on the receiving end of that kind of anger – it wasn’t really about me or anything I’d said or done – but was related to something else going on in this person’s life. Eventually we talked it out and the person who got angry with me was totally embarrassed and felt awful. Lots else going on there with him, and it all came out directed at me, mostly because he trusted me and I was a friend and he felt I wouldn’t abandon him if he got angry. He grew up in a household where you were punished if you got angry.
So…just wanted to add that. It doesn’t excuse the behavior, but there could be more to it. In a close work environment where you feel like family you might find there is some of this kind of thing at play.
@Common Sense: I should clarify, he called our president the N-word and when I asked him not to use that word, he yelled it over and over again in my face.
@Tim F.: That’s funny, I just wrote that very thing to a friend – at about the same time you wrote this comment. Mind meld.
You know, I’m not defending, but this is truly one of the nicest guys around….my boss looked at me (after sending him home) and said, ‘My god he’s been brainwashed by Glenn Beck.’ I think we all want to do an intervention. He’s really shaken up our little company with this outburst.
I wonder what inner cesspool/pit-full-of-demons causes some folk to go so off the rails. Just realize, BHF, that it has no genesis with you, but with the other’s tormented thinking.
He may have been your coworker, or room mate, but he was certainly not your friend.
Anyone who could have slept on the results and maintained the bile to spit this out at you the next morning is someone with an issue that has not much to do with you.
100.
Svensker
Went to a performance of Bach’s St. Matthew Passion last night. Really good tenor Matthew, wonderful orchestra, and a triple choir — about 200 voices — so your hair got blown off your head when they let loose. Glorious.
And whoever it was who said that Bach didn’t know from sorrow has never listened to the alto aria in the SMP. Such grief. I wept.
It was nice going to be bed with a Bach earworm and an HCR victory.
@Bad Horseās Filly: This is a crazy situation. I mean, we just got rid of a President who put us in two different wars, let a US city drown, and helped deregulate us into an economic meltdown all the while ignoring the stagnant wages of the middle class.
And this “friend” barges into your space, calls you names, and blames you for things being fucked up? I’m sorry, but what the hell?!? This “friend” should be grateful you didn’t just turn around and punch his lights out. That’s probably what I would have done so your restraint makes you a better person than me at least. And being a better person means that you shouldn’t be the one upset right now. You should be relieved that this “friend” finally showed you how small of a person he really is. And until he starts to find himself some class, he doesn’t deserve your forgiveness.
Of course, that’s just my opinion, and opinions of others obviously cannot override your feelings. So, you do what you need to do for you…regardless of what anyone else says. And if doing what you need to do for you means punching some lights out, so much the better.
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Keith G
@Corner Stone: I had turkey breakfast tacos for brunch with my own guac, fresh serranos and spinach.
@Bad Horseās Filly: He feels frightened, insecure and helpless. People like Beck attract that mindset like flies and reinforce it in turn.
An intervention would just make him feel more besieged. Believe it or not you have the position of power here. The company obviously supports you without reservation and, more than that, his “side” is losing and he knows it. If he is fundamentally a nice guy then he might react well if you make the nice gesture first (if you know anyone who has experience approaching a frightened dog without getting bit, the skill translates); if he is an asshole then he would just use it as a chance to hurt you again. In the latter case then you lose nothing by writing him off.
my boss looked at me (after sending him home) and said, āMy god heās been brainwashed by Glenn Beck.ā I think we all want to do an intervention. Heās really shaken up our little company with this outburst.
He should be very grateful that he works for a boss like that and with a co-worker like you.
He would be fired for cause so fast for that here that he’d be being escorted through the main campus entrance before he even had time to catch his breath after his disgraceful, disgusting, bigoted rant.
That he hasn’t yet been fired should have him begging you and everyone in your company for forgiveness for the rest of his life, not to mention doing penance by working Habitat for Humanity or something.
105.
maus
@freelancer (itouch): Hah, I do have the rifftrax but my girl had heard the movie was legitimately good so deemed that we wouldn’t watch the alternate audio until after we’d seen it through. After trekking through the vomitfest of Avatar, it was nice to see a movie made for less than the GDP of a small country that I enjoyed. The characters aren’t incredibly likeable, but that was more writing than acting (I’m looking at YOU, Humpday) and worked out well enough with the plot.
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Paul in KY
Bad Horse’s Filly, I hope your boss shows him how close he has come to being fired…or fires him.
107.
A Mom Anon
@Bad Horseās Filly: Good Lord,what the hell is wrong with people? I’m sorry that happened to you. What a crappy friend.
Just for a giggle,can I tell you about my neighbor? He’s a hard core conservative and just got done telling me(while I was out walking the dog)that he’s been building a bunker(which explains the cement trucks I saw over there last week)because the man has convinced himself that Obama is coming for his guns AND that nothing really matters anymore because we’re all going to be forced into teh ebil soshalism now. I asked him to define said ebil soshalism,and you know,he couldn’t. So I did for him. I also bid him a nice day and told him he might want to step away from the Limbaugh and Hannity for awhile. It’s sad really,this isn’t a stupid man. He worked as a phone lineman for 30 yrs,his wife worked for an attorney for years til she got sick. I asked him what freedoms he’s lost since Obama took office,and again,he couldn’t name one,but knew something bad was coming. That money he’s spending on this damned bunker could have taken his grandkids on a vacation or something,it’s so freaking sad to me.
This shit right here,your experience and mine with the neighbors is why I loathe the fuckers on Fox and the radio so much. The worst thing they’ve done is divide this country and scare people over shit that has nothing at ALL to do with what is wrong with our society. I hate them for that more than any other thing they’ve done.
If he is fundamentally a nice guy then he might react well if you make the nice gesture first (if you know anyone who has experience approaching a frightened dog without getting bit, the skill translates); if he is an asshole then he would just use it as a chance to hurt you again.
This is an interesting dilemma. And it’s an argument I keep having with a friend of mine who trains dogs only using positive reinforcement. How, when you make gestures like these, do you ensure that you’re not just reinforcing negative behavior? And how do you also ensure that you’re not giving him the dominant position in the relationship?
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Chuck
Wow, where I work, there’s HR disciplinary rules that basically give employees a second chance on damn near any fuckup after the requisite reprimands, etc, but I’m pretty darn sure that shouting racial epithets at people is an escort-out-the-door-and-never-come-back thing. I mean, just keeping an employee like that is a legal liability.
Properly given, rewards assert dominance. They know who they have to satisfy to get a reward.
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Colette
@Keith G: Turkey Enchilada Casserole. It’s easy and tasty, can be doubled for a big crowd or halved for a small one, and is my favorite recipe from Sunset magazine ever. I use real cheese instead of the low-fat rubber byproduct called for in the recipe, and add some chopped black olives, then pile on the guacamole. Yummy.
@Bad Horseās Filly: If he did it once, he will do it again.
It would be good if he understands that he can do that, but not with you.
I don’t care how he feels or what his problems happen to be.
He treated you like an object without feelings.
It was deliberate. He has always thought that but didn’t show it.
At least he didn’t call you Hitler.
Agreed. There would be no second chances on something like that around here. It would be off the campus and with a warning to never step foot here again unless he wanted a campus police escort right back out.
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maus
I’m torn by that as well, would reintegration of someone so far away from reality work? How much abuse should be tolerated? Or should people so unstable be shown the door, that their behavior IS NOT TOLERATED in polite society? Obviously, firing the mentally unstable isn’t going to help them out and has the potential to make them much more so, but they’ve been coddled little tyrants for too long. The media and talk radio have let them live a life separate from the rest of America, and when they want to secede, they have already in their heads decided that they’re not like the rest of America.
As with this decision, they need to feel some fear, not of “the blacks” or “the foreigners” or “the commies”, but that their ideas are failing. This needs to be felt by the constituents, by the politicians, the pundits, the thinktanks, and the media congloms. They all need to feel this hurt that the rest of us have been feeling by a more objective view of just how fucked this country is. It is by no means gloating to show them the position that we are in, but it WILL by any hope show them the chain of liars and manipulators through all ends of communication.
I am getting more fruit into my daily meals and I have come to enjoy baked apples or pears during these chilly spring mornings.
For ease I just half and core then place “face” down in a shallow baking dish. I add cinnamon, a bit of sugar and about 2 jiggers of rum plus a splash of H2O and bake for 30.
@Chuck: I guess I can see that on one level. But on a practical level, I still have questions.
My analogous situation might be one of domestic abuse. You always hear how the abuser is really emotionally dependent on the abused. And, psychologically, that makes sense. But practically-speaking, I imagine that doesn’t mean sh#t when you’re getting the crap kicked out of you on a regular basis. If you know what I’m saying.
@Bad Horseās Filly: I’m more of the vengance type, so I don’t have much to offer beyond the standard keep your chin up/don’t let ’em get to you trope. However, if you want to plot proper compensation for xxxx’s actions, I’m at your disposal.
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Maude
@Keith G: Leave out the fruit, water, sugar, cinnamon and don’t heat the rum.
That’s terrible, I’m so sorry. I hope he gets his head screwed on right soon. It sounds like you have a supportive workplace, which is great. In the unsolicited advice department, I waver between Tim F’s @ 103, and the he-needs-to-apologize-first camp, depending on how important/sincere you feel your friendship was before. ETA, I don’t know if I could forgive it, if it happened to me — I’d like to think I could get past it, but I’m not sure that I could — and even if I forgave, I sure as hell couldn’t forget.
And now I’m wondering about this evening’s visit to my highly conservative friends; though, they have had to deal with health issues, so we’ll see.
Best of luck — and I add my bit to the gazillion hugs whizzing your way.
120.
WaterGirl
@Max: I had been wondering who had gotten the jobs recently (reference without names by John Cole). Now I know you must have been one of them. Yay!
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Keith G
@Maude: The liquid left after the baking – freshened up a tad – is a delightful starter to the day.
@Tim F.: First of all, everyone thanks. The shock has begun to wear off and Tim, you are so right here. Tomorrow, I’ll judge the energy and see if it is the time to approach. I’ve always been aware of the fact that of all the influences in his life, I approach everything with a calm knowledge all will be well. It has always served me well in complex, highly charged situations.
I just needed you guys to remind me.
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AhabTRuler
@BHF: Let me also add hugs and say you rock for being strong about it.
It is good of you to want to make the peace. One of the commenters upthread is right though, your boss is going to take his own actions, but if doesn’t shitcan him, he really should put the fear of God into him that he came this close to being fired for his unacceptable behavior.
First, I am so sorry to hear that you were treated this way, no matter who was on what side.
Second, I am glad to hear your boss has taken action on this. Even if the guy did not direct the n-word at you, his actions could still constitute harassment (not to mention creating a toxic workplace) and it is the company’s duty to take care of you.
It would be good if he understands that he can cannot do that, but especially not with you.
Fixed that.
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SiubhanDuinne
@BHF: I just want to add my own expressions of sickened horror that anyone could say such things, real sadness that they were said to you, and admiration for your healthy “all will be well” philosophy.
@Gus: Wait, what? Seriously? You’re not just pulling my leg?
@Bad Horseās Filly: I admire you for taking the high road. However, I have to say, someone who just bursts out with that and repeats it in your face when you asked him not to, is not a nice guy at all. I am glad your boss is on your side. This coworker needs to be told that this is not tolerated at the company. If he’s not fired, he needs to know the next time he does something like that is the last time.
I am sorry that you had to face that. I am glad that you were able to come here and get some solid advice. Personally, anyone who said that to me would be dead to me, but that’s just the way I deal with those situations. I would be chillingly, achingly scarily civil with him when I had to be, but that would be it.
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4jkb4ia
Yes! There is! (Pete Thamel: “Midmajors Show They Deserve A Better Deal”) Tim F. is a wonderful person on many levels, including the tireless whipping!
flyingdonut
i contacted Melissa Bean’s (my father lives in her district) office and thanked her. The nice staffer said they were getting significant traffic in “thanks” calls.
Gus
Twins signed Joe Mauer.
Keith G
jeffreyw, got any recipes for ground turkey – lots of ground turkey (it was on sale)?
LuciaMia
Well, it’s raining again here in Jersey. More repetition.
freelancer
Less than 2 weeks to Opening Day!
Chat Noir
“Breaking Bad” season #3 premier was last night. I watched the first 15 minutes before switching to C-SPAN for the final HCR vote. Will watch the remainder of BB tonight with the spousal unit. Bryan Cranston rox!
Edit: oh, and a Tunch or Lily pix would be welcome at this time. Kthxbai.
Brien Jackson
@4jkb4ia:
Can’t people ever stop bitching about shit?
licensed to kill time
Since I just got here and haven’t had a chance to talk about it yet, I just want to say goooooooooooooooooooooooooolBama!
Yes He Did!
That is all.
Paul in KY
4jkb4ia, thank’s for posting the article. Agree that more mid-majors should be in tourney & when they do get in, they are almost always underseeded.
Do not agree with expanding tourney to 96 teams. Right now, I think UNI is the favorite to come out of Midwest bracket.
New Yorker
I’m still on cloud 9 after Cornell absolutely annihilated Temple and Wisconsin this past weekend. Now a Thursday night showdown with #1 Kentucky on what’s practically Cornell’s home turf (Ithaca is about an hour’s drive from the Carrier Dome. Lexington….isn’t). A story about the Big Red was on the front page of Yahoo sports last night.
I am giddy. They’re playing with house money now and I don’t expect a win, but stranger things have happened.
srv
@Chat Noir:
In party hats.
Xecky Gilchrist
MUP FTW
Haven’t said that in a while.
Dreggas
Watched Shutter Island yesterday, great movie IMO.
Brian J
I’m sure this has been said already, but since there’s a flurry of threads, and I had to step out a moment, I’d like to say it again:
We need to be vigiliant in correcting myths about what just happened.
I’ve been listening to random people talk about it today, and if I had to sum up one complaint that unites everyone, it’s that this will make insurance worse for people who already have it. I don’t know how people are reaching such a conclusion, but some are.
Anything bad that happens involving health care, no matter how ludicrously connected, will be tied to last night’s vote. There’s only so much I, as one person, can do, and I will try do do it. But the Democrats at the national level need to be prepared to beat back the stream of bullshit that’s going to come from Republicans.
Trinity
@srv: Seconded!
Uloborus
Absolutely! I’m going to bitch about the use of the phrase ‘cognitive dissonance’.
Cognitive Dissonance is not about holding two contradicting beliefs, and whether or not you see any conflict in them. Cognitive Dissonance is the bizarre process (very, very well documented) where when people perform an action, they rearrange their beliefs to support that action. It can be amazingly subtle and evil, is the basis of brainwashing and is used all the time in advertising, mercantile and political. If you so much as convince someone to take a free button with Darth Vader’s face on it you’ve seriously increased their odds of voting for him.
Remember, knowing is half the battle!
Omnes Omnibus
I mentioned this in an earlier thread, but what the heck. Since I live in Wisconsin, I called the State’s Dem reps and congratulated them. Then, in a fit of something or other, I called Paul Ryan to ask how he could vote against the interests of his constituents (BJ commenter martha’s suggested question). It was fun.
Fergus Wooster
@Dreggas: Saw it Saturday. Cliche to say, but the book was far superior.
Leo did his angsty, Departed schtick from beginning to end. The film suffered, I think, from not making his grief more central to his performance (in the book, it defines him easily as much as his wrath).
Beautifully shot, though, and love the soundtrack.
DecidedFenceSitter
We could always discuss the FCC’s Telecom Changes and what they mean, and how they are limited by the monopolies from what can actually be achieved. However, that’s too similar to the HCR debate.
jeffreyw
@Keith G: No, but my understanding is that it makes a killer chili. You might take a look at this post of mine:
http://whats4dinnersolutions.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/fun-with-dried-chilies/
Brian J
Anyway, here’s an interesting article about the ongoing battle between The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal. I’m going to keep my print edition subscription to The Journal until a couple of weeks after this new section starts, just so I can see what it looks like, but after that, I will switch to online only, because I came to the conclusion last week I don’t like reading broadsheet newspapers in print. Magazines, yes, but most newspapers, no. (The tabloid style is okay, but I usually flip through one while waiting for food at a deli.) I’m curious to see how everything shakes out, and if, after a couple of months, what the higher ups at NewsCorp do to stop Murdoch from throwing away so much money, if at all possible.
Therese
@keithg
This meatloaf could feed an army and is delicious: http://bit.ly/wUMxP
Love these turkey sliders too: http://bit.ly/aq7DFQ
mainsailset
The trouble with following after a Rep administration is that it just takes so much to clean up after them. The list is endless, just reading the new Rolling Stone article by Jeff Goodell on Coal’s Toxic Sludge and it goes on. Good thing about last night is it will give good creds to leadership to continue to go after all these messes.
I yearn for the good old simpler times
tripletee
I’m wondering why Democrats are so happy today. After this so-called “historic” victory, I thought maybe things would finally be different. But no – I got up this morning and looked outside, and you know what I saw? No breadlines snaking around the block. No workers in drab clothing laboring dutifully for the collective. Tax-payer funded abortion clinics/gay marriage chapels on every street corner? Nope. The sun was even shining, for Christ’s sake.
This isn’t the change I voted for.
TooManyJens
I have to retract my labeling of Representative George Radanovich as the “baby-killer!”-shouting a-hole from last night. The real a-hole, Rep. Randy Neugebauer, has come forward.
The Raven
How ’bout Energy Secretary Chu on saving money by improving energy efficiency?
Legalize
As of 2pm the Dow was only up .47% for the day. One! Term! President!
J. Michael Neal
@4jkb4ia:
Well, if he’s into that kind of thing, then okay, I guess. I hope he has a safe word.
licensed to kill time
@TooManyJens: I like the way he claims he was only talking about the bill, not Stupak. Also, who says ” I exclaimed the phrase” ?!
Sock Puppet of the Great Satan
Tripletee:
I tried calling Pelosi’s office to join the work teams sending the teabaggers to Revolutionary Progressive and Benign Re-Education and Gay Marriage Camps, but no joy. (Why else do you think progressives support Amtrak? Gotta keep that infrastructure to get people to our glorious People’s gulag).
Unfortunately, nobody knew what I was talking about. Maybe they’re still working out the details.
jl
The Pacific Coast will show those eastern basketball snoots.
GGGGGGOOOOOOO St Mary’s!
Too bad Washington has to take down WV. I feel sad for Cole.
Robertdsc-iphone
I personally can’t wait for Molotov’s next video about HCR repeal. Teleprompt this, indeed!
Corner Stone
I have a question:
For any D’s that voted against HCR, is their punishment that Pelosi will now make them see Avatar?
Omnes Omnibus
@J. Michael Neal: Green Balloons!
@Robertdsc-iphone:
I can.
Bad Horse's Filly
I know you want to change the subject, but I did not see this coming:
I’m sitting here in tears. XXXX came in this morning, yelled the n-word at me and said this was all my fault and the country is pretty much fucked because of it. Our political differences have never been personal before.
This is my friend who just said this to me. I don’t know how he’s going to walk back from this. And I can tell you, while I understand what’s going on, I don’t see how, if (and it’s a big if) he apologizes how I move on from it. I have certain lines that can’t be crossed and he just crossed 2 of them.
jl
Are Cole’s owners pleased with the new digs he found for them?
Edit: BHF, sorry to hear that. Certain peoples’ pretend world is crumbling around them, and they do not know what to do. It will only get worse since their pretend world is a fraud sold to them in order to squeeze them dry. They are in a tight place. Take some deep breaths and time to reflect that as things get better for average people, these poor deluded folks may begin to see things differently.
Legalize
@Dreggas: Mrs. Legalize and I saw it Saturday night.
SPOILERS:
It took me a while to buy into the movie because I just couldn’t tell where Leo’s character was coming from. The litany of drawn-out dream-sequences bugged the hell out of me. It wasn’t until the certain conversation Leo had with George in unit C, and the conversations thereafter with Patty Clarkson’s character in the cave, and the conversation with the military man in the jeep that the preceding hour and 15 minutes or whatever sunk in in terms of the Leo’s story and where the director was trying to take me as an observer of the character.
It was the last bit with Leo and Ruffalo I found most compelling. Leo had faced certain realities – as matters of fact – but still couldn’t live with them in his head. That was chilling to me – his ultimate decision – knowing and appreciating full well for the first time in the movie, the consequences of his choices. And choosing to take that step, after seeking the exact opposite throughout the picture. That was masterful. The music was also A+ work. Of course, Hitchcock did all of this stuff 60 years ago. ;)
Bnut
I just discovered Eastbound and Down and come to find out it’s only 6 episodes, and no word on when the next season is coming.
Omnes Omnibus
@Bad Horseās Filly: Fuck him. No one needs that.
Also, I am at work or else I would find and post the “common clay of the the Old West, you know, morons” clip from Blazing Saddles.
Violet
@Bad Horseās Filly:
Oh, my gosh. How awful. (((hug))) I hope you guys can at least talk about it at some point. Probably not now when emotions are so high. XXXX sure doesn’t sound like a great friend at the moment.
JoyceH
I called Congressman King’s office just a little while ago and read the staffer who answered the phone the Riot Act for King’s despicable behavior last night. The staffer was all, “well, he didn’t LITERALLY mean it”, and I read the quote back to the guy. I really got worked up, frankly, and said King needed to get his mug in front of a camera and apologize and state specifically that he is NOT in favor of insurrection, civil war, or political violence. I said that a lot of us are worried about the threats of violence coming from the right, and if anything happens to the President or the Speaker, we’ll know who to hold responsible for it. Dunno if it did any good, but damn, it sure felt good.
Fern
@Keith G: Turkey burgers. Make sure there is some fresh parsley and some scallions in the mix.
Stir-fry. Cook the ground turkey with chopped scallions, minced garlic and a LOT of minced ginger. Try to keep the meat a bit chunky. In a separate pan, stir-fry the vegetables of your choice. Add them to the skillet with the turkey and add the sauce of your choice. Heat through and eat with rice or noodles.
Zam
According to my yahoo page Miley Cyrus is trending higher that anything about health care….
Redshift
@srv: Something like this.
geg6
I want to point out to everyone that this was not only a triumph for people who don’t have health insurance.
This may very well have been the opening salvo in the upcoming war against the banks. The student loan reform elements of this bill have radically changed things, much more than anyone seems to be understanding. The very first bit of corporate welfare has been wiped out. I cannot ever remember a corporate welfare program being completely dismantled.
All those whining lefties complaining about how this bill was a corporate sellout are full of shit in every possible way. This, in fact, might be one of the most radical liberal bills ever, just for what has just happened to the student loan market.
The wingnut and teabagger tears over this are mighty sweet, but the Sallie Mae and Citibank tears are even sweeter to me.
Zuzu's Petals
Uhmm….nope. I got nothin’.
Back to the HCR threads.
jeffreyw
@Bad Horseās Filly: Damn him, damn him to hell. My sympathy.
Bob K
Representative Steve King from Iowa is mad as hell and not going to take it any more: “Letās beat that other side to a pulp! Letās take them out. Letās chase them down. Thereās going to be a reckoning!” Also he hints Iowa is going to secede from the union. Yay! Any other red state takers? Haven’t heard from Rick Perry in a while.
Also this:
http://www.aticketforrush.com/
Bad Horse's Filly
@Keith G: I know you didn’t ask me, but I thought I’d throw my two cents in, too. This jalapeno burgers recipe would be great with turkey. JeffW is right, chili is a good choice, pasta sauce another. Any of the recipes that call for ground beef you can substitute turkey – sometimes you just want to really spice it up with garlic, or curry or peppers to give it a zing, because it can be a bit bland (though I love turkey in any form, so bring it on).
And thanks, I needed a distraction….though I guess I could try working, but I think that ship has sailed today.
Brian J
@The Raven:
What the hell would he know about anything scientific?
Randy P
@Bad Horseās Filly:
Having unfortunately had some family members who were sucked into destructive religious cults, I’ve become attuned to cult behavior. Republicanism at this point is a cult. I’ve been making this connection for years. There are way too many similarities, down to the shutting down of the brain and screaming and yelling if there is any danger of logic treading on the cult beliefs. Cult members had a word for this, I think it was “mind-stop”, where suddenly you are furious for no reason and almost panicking, and you have to stop the conversation RIGHT NOW and leave the room.
People starting to wake up are subject to a lot of anger, much of it really coming from anger at themselves for having given so much emotional energy (not to mention money and years of their lives) to evil people.
Your ex-friend may be going through a belief crisis. Or may be a dead-ender. Only time will tell.
Violet
If you’re looking for some entertainment, tune into Rush Limbaugh today. I’ve been listening to his show as I was driving in the car. He is pissed off. I listened after the election in 2008 and he wasn’t this angry. He’s taking it personally this time.
“We have to vote the bastards out of office!” “Stupak is a traitor!” Bwahahahahahahaha! Ah, the delicious taste of wingnut tears in the morning. Couldn’t be finer.
Michael
@ Sock Puppet of the Great Satan
Working out the bureaucracy on how it is all going to work is difficult, what with having to have affirmative action on coming up with quotas to bolster the number of Strapping Young Bucks that are going to have to be engaged in both management and subordinate positions. There’s the tiered pay and work schedules to create that will have to meet the approval of the SEIU representatives, not to mention the ACORN consultancy standards and contracts to draft.
To top it off, the lists of saintly old white grannies to be euthanized are going to be a real bitch to get loaded into an excel sheet, since our data entry people are impoverished single welfare mothers on a special “welfare to work” program.
bkny
Toast! … :-D
A simple gesture in protest to get the message across
Vanity
Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 9:06:01 AM by nesnah
As a gesture to all of the traitors that screwed over the United States of America last night, I propose the following:
Place a piece of bread in your toaster. “Cook” it until it is charred black. Place charred toast in a suitable envelope. Mail said envelope to your representative in DC.
They’ll get the message…..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2476795/posts
Randy P
@geg6: Tell me more about the student loan stuff.
I’m the dad of an almost 22-year-old who was asking me an hour ago where she can get details about getting back on our insurance. And she and us, her parents, are deep in student loan debt.
I don’t know right now where to find info about either one.
Redshift
@Bad Horseās Filly: Man, I’m sorry to hear that. It’s bad enough that there are people who can do that to strangers, but to someone he knows? A friend?
There are a whole lot of lines that should never be crossed there.
geg6
@Bad Horseās Filly:
{{hugs}}
That’s terrible. Your “friend” is not your friend. Nope, and never was. Anyone who could say such things to you IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. And you have done nothing to deserve such abuse. Nothing.
I’m absolutely infuriated on your behalf. Just sitting here with steam coming out of my ears. Send him on over to me. I’ll teach him what respect is all about.
Damn.
jeffreyw
@Bad Horseās Filly: You need one of these machines where you work:
http://www.business-opportunities.biz/2010/03/18/stress-relieving-vending-machine/
FRIFL
Kaplan just hired Dave Weigel to cover conservative politics and the teabagger movement. While I often disagree with Weigel, he is one of the few sober conservatives out there and I hope he keeps to his old form and raises the level of political discourse.
KDP
@Bad Horseās Filly: I am so sorry that this happened to you. Some have no way to express their frustration except to lash out to others, I regret that you were a target for that individual’s frustration.
I hope it helps that you were able to come here for a sympathetic shoulder or ten.
Randy P
This is kind of random but, HCR aside, this does seem to be a sort of random thread.
Just finished a Robin Cook book. Not the first one I’ve read. But this one kept hitting me over and over with the thought, “this guy is a really bad writer, isn’t he?” Does anyone else concur? What is it that makes me feel like his stuff was written by a high-schooler? I can’t quite put my finger on it.
That’s aside from his trying very obviously to write a Dan Brown book, complete with weird fringe Catholic cultist/killers working to protect Ancient Vatican Secrets (TM).
Redshift
@bkny: Awesome. Do we have a tag for “winger campaign to send stuff to congressional offices which they’re sure will send a very clear message but which will completely mystify the unfortunate staffers who have to open it”? If we don’t, we should.
SIA
I have Morning Joe on in the background. WTF happened to Laurene O’Donnell? He sounds bitter. (And no, I am still HCR all the time)
WereBear
@Randy P: He’s always been a poor writer. But he’s a real doctor!
Svensker
@Keith G:
Ground turkey meatball soup with a southwest/mexican flavor —
Mix turkey with some crumbled bread (I wet the bread with water or milk, then wring it out) and an egg or two. Salt and pepper. Now take 1 or 2 cloves of garlic, about a teaspoon of cumin seeds, and some jalapeno peppers — I usually use canned ones, but the fresh are good, too. In NJ it’s easier to get canned. How much jalapeno depends on your taste and how hot the peppers are — I usually use about a tablespoon of peppers but YMMV. Start small if you’re leery of heat. Crush the cumin seeds with the garlic and the peppers, or very finely mince the peppers. Mix into the meatball mixture. Fry up a small spoonful and correct the seasonings.
You can either make this into spicy turkeyburger patties on the grill, which are very good, or you can make the soup. I drop the turkey mixture by the spoonful into hot chicken/turkey broth, usually with some rice and some drained chickpeas, chopped up zucchini, in the broth, too. Cook until the meatballs all rise to the top. If you eat it right away, the meatballs are hot and spicy and the broth and veggies are mild and intensely turkey flavored. If you let it sit around until the next day, the spice migrates into the broth and the meatballs are milder. Either way, incredibly yummy, different, inexpensive, easy.
Brian J
@geg6:
There’s been talk of the private insurance market collapsing entirely, the point where it becomes unaffordable for most people, in the coming years. For a few reasons, I think that may happen.
Let’s say that it does, and we then need some sort of expanded public program, because the private companies are more or less no longer in business. We will then have the sort of government involvement that many think is necessary. In the mean time, all sorts of good things will have happened because of this bill.
I don’t know if it’s a corporate sell out bill, because I am not sure of the standards that I need to judge that by. But even if it is, who cares if it does nothing but hold us over until private insurance companies are no longer relevant?
Also, I am trying to learn more about the student loan changes, because I ended up on a Cato Institute blog and was reading something extremely negative. I don’t necessarily put too much stock in what that place has to say, but I still need to learn more about this issue. Of course, upon first glance, this is a very, very good change,
David in NY
@JoyceH: Thank you for making that call to King. What a good idea.
Origuy
@bkny: Yeah, an envelope full of breadcrumbs and black dust. That’s going to get through security!
SIA
@Bad Horseās Filly: Good grief, that is horrible. I am sorry that someone is so out of balance and irrational that they could do that, especially to a friend. You’re one of the nicest people here, and we all love and support you. And you’re right, some things can’t be walked back.
New Yorker
@Bob K:
Steve King does realize that Iowa went for the commienazimuslimkenyantraitor in the 2008 election, right?
By all means, Steve, lead an insurrection. It’d be nice if every presidential candidate didn’t have to kiss your state’s ass with farm subsidy promises every 4 years in the Iowa caucus.
(no offense to any Iowans reading this comment, Ali Faroukmanesh is God!)
Bad Horse's Filly
@Randy P: This, this, this! It’s exactly what this felt like. I cannot convey how shocked I was by all of this. We work in a small company and we’re all very close.
Want to know how to freak a bunch of men out – crying when they’ve never in all the time they’ve known you, never seen you do it. I am the only XX here. It was kinda funny.
p.s. thanks to everyone for the shoulder, I wasn’t sure how I was going to get through the day, but I knew here was a safe haven.
licensed to kill time
@Randy P:
You are spot on with your comparison to cult behavior. I have long thought the teabagger anger comes from them feeling duped and betrayed, but they can’t admit that they were so wrong. They have to project those feelings onto The Other(s) because it would be so devastating otherwise to their worldview.
ETA – Bad Horse’s Filly, I am so sorry that happened to you. It shocked me just to read it, I know it must have been much worse to experience it. I hope he feels ashamed of himself at some point when he cools down…
R-Jud
@Bad Horseās Filly:
I’m so sorry, BHF. This happened to me with a relative– she got right up in my face during what had been an otherwise innocuous conversation and started screaming obscenities at me. I was really shaken and had to avoid her for months.
It took me a while to realize that she had other serious issues going on. Unfortunately, our relationship has never recovered. Doing so would require our talking about the Incident, and a) I now live six time zones away from her; b) the few times I have seen her, it’s clear she is embarrassed by my presence and would rather die than talk about it.
It’s up to XXXX to make a move, though– you are owed an apology. Meanwhile, try to act as neutral as you possibly can whenever you’ve no choice but to interact.
TooManyJens
@Bad Horseās Filly: Jesus Christ, that’s horrible. I’m so sorry that shit happened to you.
slag
President Obama–Eat at Trivs Restaurant–FREE. Now, there’s a smart business owner with an excellent sense of humor.
Uloborus
@Michael:
I’m sorry, but your entire theory here is ridiculous. Everyone knows that these welfare mothers and Strapping Young Bucks don’t WANT to work. They want to drive cadillacs while talking on their cel phones and getting abortion after abortion. If they were willing to work for the wheelbarrows of money the government dumps on them to not work, this wouldn’t be an issue, because the Invisible Hand Of The Market would ensure they became Captains Of Industry.
Really, man. Have you studied? Do you WATCH Fox News?
martha
@Omnes Omnibus: Oh, oh, oh!!! Do tell…
Chat Noir
@Violet: Wow, Violet. You have a stronger stomach than me to listen to Rush. I can barely stand him when KO or Stephanie Miller play clips of him on their respective programs. People like Limbaugh are seriously in need of psychological help.
liberty60
Reading through the tears in Wingnuttia, I noticed all the freakout about how we are sliding into welfare dependency, away from the proud strong self reliance of our forebears, most notably the “Greatest Generation”….
Which is total, unadulterated BS. It’s BS of Orwellian heights, and will be one of the tools used to resist the prgressive agenda every inch of the way.
We need to push back on this, reminding people that the Greatest Generation was the author and enactor of the New Deal. The men who stormed up Normandy Beach were showered after the war with lavish benefits of government medical care and the guarantees of free college education and governmental housing loans. The women who built the B-25’s were unionized government workers.
And a goodly number of them were actual, card-carrying members of the Soshulist, if not Kommunist parties during the Depression. And were damn proud of it.
And they all embraced a progressive tax structure that had 90% rates on the rich.
I guess this irks me so much because what we passed last night was the sort of health care bill that Truman/FDR would have nodded at, but bitched about for not being expansive enough.
The financial reform that will end life as we know it is really just restoring the safeguards that were approved by both parties in 1935.
I can laugh at the RedStaters who intone mock-heroic pledges of their sacred honor and fortunes to fight teh ebil Kenyan Kommie, but their central argument has become the Village wisdom, that this is a radical step into uncharted territory.
This stupidity needs to be pushed back against.
maus
To talk about something that’s not HCR, I hate going to the movies, but I managed to finally get around to seeing Paranormal Activity at home (with the alternate ending) and was pleased that it lived up to the hype. I’m a pretty big rationalist who loves horror flicks and has a history of night terrors, and I was really excited by the end.
Tim F.
@Bad Horseās Filly: He’s right about one thing. It is your fault. It is your fault that kids will not feel terrified about graduating college lest they lose their access to health insurance. It is your fault that people can start a small business without the fear that one bad turn will make them uninsurable on the individual market. It is your fault that this asshole friend will never have to worry about medical bankruptcy if and when he loses this job that he clearly does not deserve.
It is your fault. You did your share to make it happen. IMO you ought to feel proud as hell about that.
Common Sense
@Bad Horseās Filly:
Is this a coworker? I’m pretty sure you aren’t allowed to refer to coworkers as n***ers. This asshole deserves to be drug through the muck.
And no, there’s no apologizing for their actions. You can’t walk behavior like that back.
Max
I gave notice at my job today! I am offically moving to Vancouver, WA.
If anyone wants to rent a 2 bd bungalow in the foothills of Oakland, let me know. :)
any BJ’ers in the metro-Portland area?
Tonal Crow
@JoyceH: Hmm, “political violence”…there’s a pithier word for that.
Svensker
@Bad Horseās Filly:
So sorry. That stinks and it must hurt like hell. The one positive that could come out of it is that if he can see how he acted, truly, and with humility, it may be a teachable moment and you two may be able to reach out in love to one another. If false pride gets in his way then he will wall off what he did and blame you (in his prideful mind in self defense) for his bad actions.
A big hug.
Bad Horse's Filly
@jeffreyw: That was wonderful!
Omnes Omnibus
@martha: The staffer I spoke to was polite. He did not have an answer for me but said that they could get back to me with one. I think my point was made though.
ellaesther
@Bad Horseās Filly: Oh my good lord. Honey. I am so, so sorry. There aren’t really any words to help when a friend betrays, and so egregiously. I hope you surround yourself with other, true, friends today and allow yourself to feel their love, and the pride you should absolutely feel in helping to get this thing done.
I know you not at all, but I wish I could hug you, and I wish I could remove this person from your life and from the echoing places inside your thoughts.
I’m so sorry.
Keith G
@Bad Horseās Filly: Thanks. Didn’t know you were around during daylight.
And thank you Therese, Fern, Svensker and of course jeffreyw.
I may need to go back and buy more with so many options.
Chat Noir
@Max: Yay and congrats! Is Max the Wheaten excited about a big car trip to his new home? (That is, I assume he will have a car trip to his new home.)
MIchael
People should donate to Tarryl Clark’s “moneybomb” fundraiser. See here.
She’s running against Michele Bachmann, and trying to counter a visit to Minny from Sarah Palin.
I know the guy running her field operations, he was my Regional Field Director when I was an Obama FO in Indiana during the primaries, and he’s one of the best organizers the campaign had. Worth supporting their operation IMO
freelancer (itouch)
@maus:
You should checkout the riff for it. Quite solid.
http://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax/paranormal-activity
geg6
@Randy P:
Well, it really does more to help students in the future than it does those who have already gotten the loans. The main features are:
1) The FFELP program is abolished. FFELP is the second of two federal student loan programs, both providing the same Stafford and PLUS Loans (the other is called Direct Loans). Unlike Direct Loans, in which the student or parent borrows directly from the U.S. Dept. of Education, FFELP loans required the use of a middle man lender. The USDE would give the lender the money to provide as Stafford and PLUS Loans, the lender would take a piece off the top of the interest and origination fees (making the interest and fees on this program’s loans higher than that of the Direct Loans), disburse the money to the students and schools, and be completely protected from any of the risks of lending because any defaulted loans were immediately turned back over to USDE. The lenders, in other words, got a government subsidy for providing loans they risked nothing for and on which they profited more than the government which provided them the principal of the loan.
2) Provides for more and higher limit Pell Grants and will wipe out a current shortfall in the Pell Grant funding.
3) $750 million in funding for the College Access Challenge Grant Program: http://www2.ed.gov/programs/cacg/index.html
4) $1.5 billion to provide more generous income-based repayment to student loan borrowers. This is a relatively new program that allows students to base student loan repayment on what their income actually is.
Of course, #1 is what has them freaking out. It is truly radical to get rid of FFELP. They have been having as big a freakout over this idea as the wingnuts have been having over HCR. They know their free lunch is gone, baby, gone.
Corner Stone
@Keith G:
If you haven’t made anything with it yet i would suggest trying it out a little first.
I personally do not care for ground turkey. Don’t like the consistency, the overall texture, or the inherent lack of flavor. Just IMO.
I’d also watch out for recipes that call for ground beef when you substitute – the turkey is obviously a lot more dry when it cooks so some adjustments may be needed.
Violet
@Chat Noir:
I listen to Rush on a semi-regular basis when I’m in the car at that time. I like to keep tabs on the other side and on days like this it’s pure entertainment. Felt like I needed some popcorn to go along with it. LOL.
@Bad Horseās Filly:
Just wanted to add that as horrible as it was, it could also be that he has other things going on in his life and all his anger came out in relation to the health care issue and that you, unfortunately, were in the wrong place at the wrong time and were on the receiving end of it. It doesn’t excuse it and he definitely should be the one to apologize. But it might explain it a little of it
Been on the receiving end of that kind of anger – it wasn’t really about me or anything I’d said or done – but was related to something else going on in this person’s life. Eventually we talked it out and the person who got angry with me was totally embarrassed and felt awful. Lots else going on there with him, and it all came out directed at me, mostly because he trusted me and I was a friend and he felt I wouldn’t abandon him if he got angry. He grew up in a household where you were punished if you got angry.
So…just wanted to add that. It doesn’t excuse the behavior, but there could be more to it. In a close work environment where you feel like family you might find there is some of this kind of thing at play.
Bad Horse's Filly
@Common Sense: I should clarify, he called our president the N-word and when I asked him not to use that word, he yelled it over and over again in my face.
@Tim F.: That’s funny, I just wrote that very thing to a friend – at about the same time you wrote this comment. Mind meld.
You know, I’m not defending, but this is truly one of the nicest guys around….my boss looked at me (after sending him home) and said, ‘My god he’s been brainwashed by Glenn Beck.’ I think we all want to do an intervention. He’s really shaken up our little company with this outburst.
Keith G
@Bad Horseās Filly: Gosh darn it…..just read your upsetting post.
I wonder what inner cesspool/pit-full-of-demons causes some folk to go so off the rails. Just realize, BHF, that it has no genesis with you, but with the other’s tormented thinking.
Small comfort, I am sure.
Corner Stone
@Bad Horseās Filly:
He may have been your coworker, or room mate, but he was certainly not your friend.
Anyone who could have slept on the results and maintained the bile to spit this out at you the next morning is someone with an issue that has not much to do with you.
Svensker
Went to a performance of Bach’s St. Matthew Passion last night. Really good tenor Matthew, wonderful orchestra, and a triple choir — about 200 voices — so your hair got blown off your head when they let loose. Glorious.
And whoever it was who said that Bach didn’t know from sorrow has never listened to the alto aria in the SMP. Such grief. I wept.
It was nice going to be bed with a Bach earworm and an HCR victory.
slag
@Bad Horseās Filly: This is a crazy situation. I mean, we just got rid of a President who put us in two different wars, let a US city drown, and helped deregulate us into an economic meltdown all the while ignoring the stagnant wages of the middle class.
And this “friend” barges into your space, calls you names, and blames you for things being fucked up? I’m sorry, but what the hell?!? This “friend” should be grateful you didn’t just turn around and punch his lights out. That’s probably what I would have done so your restraint makes you a better person than me at least. And being a better person means that you shouldn’t be the one upset right now. You should be relieved that this “friend” finally showed you how small of a person he really is. And until he starts to find himself some class, he doesn’t deserve your forgiveness.
Of course, that’s just my opinion, and opinions of others obviously cannot override your feelings. So, you do what you need to do for you…regardless of what anyone else says. And if doing what you need to do for you means punching some lights out, so much the better.
Keith G
@Corner Stone: I had turkey breakfast tacos for brunch with my own guac, fresh serranos and spinach.
No cheese tho. My doc says, “No, no, no.”
Tim F.
@Bad Horseās Filly: He feels frightened, insecure and helpless. People like Beck attract that mindset like flies and reinforce it in turn.
An intervention would just make him feel more besieged. Believe it or not you have the position of power here. The company obviously supports you without reservation and, more than that, his “side” is losing and he knows it. If he is fundamentally a nice guy then he might react well if you make the nice gesture first (if you know anyone who has experience approaching a frightened dog without getting bit, the skill translates); if he is an asshole then he would just use it as a chance to hurt you again. In the latter case then you lose nothing by writing him off.
geg6
@Bad Horseās Filly:
He should be very grateful that he works for a boss like that and with a co-worker like you.
He would be fired for cause so fast for that here that he’d be being escorted through the main campus entrance before he even had time to catch his breath after his disgraceful, disgusting, bigoted rant.
That he hasn’t yet been fired should have him begging you and everyone in your company for forgiveness for the rest of his life, not to mention doing penance by working Habitat for Humanity or something.
maus
@freelancer (itouch): Hah, I do have the rifftrax but my girl had heard the movie was legitimately good so deemed that we wouldn’t watch the alternate audio until after we’d seen it through. After trekking through the vomitfest of Avatar, it was nice to see a movie made for less than the GDP of a small country that I enjoyed. The characters aren’t incredibly likeable, but that was more writing than acting (I’m looking at YOU, Humpday) and worked out well enough with the plot.
Paul in KY
Bad Horse’s Filly, I hope your boss shows him how close he has come to being fired…or fires him.
A Mom Anon
@Bad Horseās Filly: Good Lord,what the hell is wrong with people? I’m sorry that happened to you. What a crappy friend.
Just for a giggle,can I tell you about my neighbor? He’s a hard core conservative and just got done telling me(while I was out walking the dog)that he’s been building a bunker(which explains the cement trucks I saw over there last week)because the man has convinced himself that Obama is coming for his guns AND that nothing really matters anymore because we’re all going to be forced into teh ebil soshalism now. I asked him to define said ebil soshalism,and you know,he couldn’t. So I did for him. I also bid him a nice day and told him he might want to step away from the Limbaugh and Hannity for awhile. It’s sad really,this isn’t a stupid man. He worked as a phone lineman for 30 yrs,his wife worked for an attorney for years til she got sick. I asked him what freedoms he’s lost since Obama took office,and again,he couldn’t name one,but knew something bad was coming. That money he’s spending on this damned bunker could have taken his grandkids on a vacation or something,it’s so freaking sad to me.
This shit right here,your experience and mine with the neighbors is why I loathe the fuckers on Fox and the radio so much. The worst thing they’ve done is divide this country and scare people over shit that has nothing at ALL to do with what is wrong with our society. I hate them for that more than any other thing they’ve done.
slag
@Tim F.:
This is an interesting dilemma. And it’s an argument I keep having with a friend of mine who trains dogs only using positive reinforcement. How, when you make gestures like these, do you ensure that you’re not just reinforcing negative behavior? And how do you also ensure that you’re not giving him the dominant position in the relationship?
Chuck
Wow, where I work, there’s HR disciplinary rules that basically give employees a second chance on damn near any fuckup after the requisite reprimands, etc, but I’m pretty darn sure that shouting racial epithets at people is an escort-out-the-door-and-never-come-back thing. I mean, just keeping an employee like that is a legal liability.
Chuck
@slag:
Properly given, rewards assert dominance. They know who they have to satisfy to get a reward.
Colette
@Keith G: Turkey Enchilada Casserole. It’s easy and tasty, can be doubled for a big crowd or halved for a small one, and is my favorite recipe from Sunset magazine ever. I use real cheese instead of the low-fat rubber byproduct called for in the recipe, and add some chopped black olives, then pile on the guacamole. Yummy.
@Bad Horseās Filly: Oh crap. I’m so sorry that happened to you. Big hugs.
Maude
@Bad Horseās Filly: If he did it once, he will do it again.
It would be good if he understands that he can do that, but not with you.
I don’t care how he feels or what his problems happen to be.
He treated you like an object without feelings.
It was deliberate. He has always thought that but didn’t show it.
At least he didn’t call you Hitler.
geg6
@Chuck:
Agreed. There would be no second chances on something like that around here. It would be off the campus and with a warning to never step foot here again unless he wanted a campus police escort right back out.
maus
I’m torn by that as well, would reintegration of someone so far away from reality work? How much abuse should be tolerated? Or should people so unstable be shown the door, that their behavior IS NOT TOLERATED in polite society? Obviously, firing the mentally unstable isn’t going to help them out and has the potential to make them much more so, but they’ve been coddled little tyrants for too long. The media and talk radio have let them live a life separate from the rest of America, and when they want to secede, they have already in their heads decided that they’re not like the rest of America.
As with this decision, they need to feel some fear, not of “the blacks” or “the foreigners” or “the commies”, but that their ideas are failing. This needs to be felt by the constituents, by the politicians, the pundits, the thinktanks, and the media congloms. They all need to feel this hurt that the rest of us have been feeling by a more objective view of just how fucked this country is. It is by no means gloating to show them the position that we are in, but it WILL by any hope show them the chain of liars and manipulators through all ends of communication.
Keith G
@Bad Horseās Filly: Another question:
I am getting more fruit into my daily meals and I have come to enjoy baked apples or pears during these chilly spring mornings.
For ease I just half and core then place “face” down in a shallow baking dish. I add cinnamon, a bit of sugar and about 2 jiggers of rum plus a splash of H2O and bake for 30.
Any additions or similar ideas?
slag
@Chuck: I guess I can see that on one level. But on a practical level, I still have questions.
My analogous situation might be one of domestic abuse. You always hear how the abuser is really emotionally dependent on the abused. And, psychologically, that makes sense. But practically-speaking, I imagine that doesn’t mean sh#t when you’re getting the crap kicked out of you on a regular basis. If you know what I’m saying.
Mwangangi
@Bad Horseās Filly: I’m more of the vengance type, so I don’t have much to offer beyond the standard keep your chin up/don’t let ’em get to you trope. However, if you want to plot proper compensation for xxxx’s actions, I’m at your disposal.
Maude
@Keith G: Leave out the fruit, water, sugar, cinnamon and don’t heat the rum.
Jenn
@Bad Horseās Filly:
That’s terrible, I’m so sorry. I hope he gets his head screwed on right soon. It sounds like you have a supportive workplace, which is great. In the unsolicited advice department, I waver between Tim F’s @ 103, and the he-needs-to-apologize-first camp, depending on how important/sincere you feel your friendship was before. ETA, I don’t know if I could forgive it, if it happened to me — I’d like to think I could get past it, but I’m not sure that I could — and even if I forgave, I sure as hell couldn’t forget.
And now I’m wondering about this evening’s visit to my highly conservative friends; though, they have had to deal with health issues, so we’ll see.
Best of luck — and I add my bit to the gazillion hugs whizzing your way.
WaterGirl
@Max: I had been wondering who had gotten the jobs recently (reference without names by John Cole). Now I know you must have been one of them. Yay!
Keith G
@Maude: The liquid left after the baking – freshened up a tad – is a delightful starter to the day.
Bad Horse's Filly
@Tim F.: First of all, everyone thanks. The shock has begun to wear off and Tim, you are so right here. Tomorrow, I’ll judge the energy and see if it is the time to approach. I’ve always been aware of the fact that of all the influences in his life, I approach everything with a calm knowledge all will be well. It has always served me well in complex, highly charged situations.
I just needed you guys to remind me.
AhabTRuler
@BHF: Let me also add hugs and say you rock for being strong about it.
freelancer
@A Mom Anon:
Jesus. That is as funny as it is sad.
@Bad Horseās Filly:
It is good of you to want to make the peace. One of the commenters upthread is right though, your boss is going to take his own actions, but if doesn’t shitcan him, he really should put the fear of God into him that he came this close to being fired for his unacceptable behavior.
Zuzu's Petals
@Bad Horseās Filly:
First, I am so sorry to hear that you were treated this way, no matter who was on what side.
Second, I am glad to hear your boss has taken action on this. Even if the guy did not direct the n-word at you, his actions could still constitute harassment (not to mention creating a toxic workplace) and it is the company’s duty to take care of you.
SiubhanDuinne
@Maude:
Fixed that.
SiubhanDuinne
@BHF: I just want to add my own expressions of sickened horror that anyone could say such things, real sadness that they were said to you, and admiration for your healthy “all will be well” philosophy.
/julian of norwich-bot
Gus
@Bad Horseās Filly:
No he’s not. If he was he shouldn’t be any longer.
asiangrrlMN
@Gus: Wait, what? Seriously? You’re not just pulling my leg?
@Bad Horseās Filly: I admire you for taking the high road. However, I have to say, someone who just bursts out with that and repeats it in your face when you asked him not to, is not a nice guy at all. I am glad your boss is on your side. This coworker needs to be told that this is not tolerated at the company. If he’s not fired, he needs to know the next time he does something like that is the last time.
I am sorry that you had to face that. I am glad that you were able to come here and get some solid advice. Personally, anyone who said that to me would be dead to me, but that’s just the way I deal with those situations. I would be chillingly, achingly scarily civil with him when I had to be, but that would be it.