The current chin-scratcher in conservative circles is the importance of Obama’s mother’s preference for “Muslim Third World men”. Two schools of thought have developed. I can’t do much better than Think Progress’ Matt Duss does in examining this important phenomenon.
However, I will add that the man (Spengler) who wrote this:
I’ve been screaming about this for more than two years: Obama is the loyal son of a left-wing anthropologist mother who sought to expiate her white guilt by going to bed with Muslim Third World men. He is a Third World anthropologist studying us, learning our culture and our customs the better to neutralize what he considers to be a malignant American influence in world affairs.
Also wrote this:
Never underestimate the influence of a wife who bitch-slaps her husband in public. Early in Obama’s campaign, Michelle Obama could not restrain herself from belittling the senator. […]
It is hard for the descendants of slaves not to resent America. They were not voluntary immigrants but kidnap victims, subjected to a century of second-class citizenship even after the Civil War ended slavery. Blackness is not the issue; General Colin Powell, whose parents chose to immigrate to America from the West Indies, saw America just as other immigrants do, as a land of opportunity. Obama’s choice of wife is a failsafe indicator of his own sentiments. Spouses do not necessarily share their likes, but they must have their hatreds in common. Obama imbibed this hatred with his mother’s milk.
So at least he has a unified theory: it’s all the bitches’ fault.
(via Sully)
Svensker
Good God.
Can we send these people some place, please? Alpha Centauri, maybe? Do we have to share a planet?
El Cid
On this:
Given Bush Jr’ite, Neo-Confederate Republican, and TeaTard culture and customs, would it not take an anthropologist to observe and decode their strange, apparently unreasonable, dangerous, and quite nearly unbelievable behaviors?
Cerberus
See, how mean we all were, talking about how they are all racists when they clearly have layers and complex personalities?
Such as being sexists too.
Also, these are the same people who when not in polite company call people like Obama’s mom “race traitors”.
They never went away, just got smaller in number and learned to start using dog whistles instead of growing up.
Ash Can
The projection-fu is strong with this one.
cmorenc
Just, wow. This is racist crap dressed up in erudite psychobabble clothing.
Bulworth
I’m holding out for the Michelle “Whitey” tape I was promised by the PUMAS.
Also, too.
Dog is My Copilot
*Big Sigh* With all the problems in the world to contend with right now, and this is all they have to talk about? Lord help us.
dmsilev
But of course, it’s terribly déclassé for anyone to suggest that there might possibly be some racial issues behind the opposition to Obama and his policies.
dms
Brick Oven Bill
Spengler is usually pretty good, but here he misses the obvious point. Mom’s name was ‘Stanley’, because her dad wanted a son. The name ‘Stanley’ was her punishment for being born a girl.
So, to get back at dad, Stanley dated third world men, spiting him.
Teabaggers know women.
Mike in NC
This imbecile is definitely a candidate for a gig at the Washington Post OpEd page.
dmsilev
@Brick Oven Bill: Remember kids, just say no to drugs. And oxygen deprivation. And do-it-yourself electroshock therapy.
dms
Menzies
@cmorenc:
Erudite, my fat ass. It’s a razor-thin piece-of-shit attack on someone who is no longer even alive to defend herself. This isn’t sitting Stanley Ann Dunham on the psychotherapist’s couch – this is, as another commenter said already, projecting her life through an existing theory.
Zifnab
I will take “Things that say more about you than they do about Obama” for $100 Alex.
"Fair and Balanced" Dave
No doubt Spengler will soon enlighten us concerning the President’s love of watermelon and tap-dancing.
Zifnab
@Brick Oven Bill: But can you give us your opinion on Terri Shavio? How is she looking, Doctor Frist?
mtraven
Spengler is a former member of the Lyndon LaRouche cult. While he quit them 24 years ago, his stye of thinking obviously retains their hysterical, conspiratorial, and frankly insane qualities.
Elisabeth
Given her work in the area of microfinance it seems Obama’s mom had a preference for Muslim women as well. What does that mean for Obama’s agenda?
These people are stupid beyond belief.
El Cid
The thing is, they’re really jealous that Dunham didn’t sleep with one of them. Her choice reminded them once again of their little, teeny weenies.
Menzies
@Elisabeth:
I’d assume any wingnut who read what you said would just take that point and roll with it.
We’re getting into some serious Poe’s Law territory here.
me
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…
Admiral_Komack
“Never underestimate the influence of a wife who bitch-slaps her husband in public. Early in Obama’s campaign, Michelle Obama could not restrain herself from belittling the senator. […]”
So I guess this means Elizabeth Edwards IS a bitch (If you read the book “Game Change” by John Heilemann and Mark Halperin, on page 127 Elizabeth Edwards had called her spouse a “hick” and and scorned his parents as rednecks).
Bob K
The author can probably spout volumes on “White Man’s Burden.” Isn’t it a tad bit elitist to use so many words to say “The Sheriff is Near?”
Fergus Wooster
@me: Dogs and cats, living together. . . mass hysteria!
Fergus Wooster
Oh shit, I broke the thread
danimal
This is why we don’t have to read special codes into everything the tea partiers say to find racism. The racist nuts are self-evident.
They aren’t a majority, but they certainly make up for it with their obnoxiousness.
Kryptik
Because obviously, the only way toe explain Obama is that his mother had white guilt and assuaged it by sleeping with Third World Men. Not possible that, you know, she liked the guys themselves. And of course, it’s also the only way to explain why Obama is just SOOOOOOO anti-American in the Tea Partiers and conservatives minds. Nothing about them, no, he’s just a seekrit third-world plant.
It’s just….god, christ, how the fuck do people like this not only get taken seriously, but seem to fucking dominate the whole fucking political discourse?
Ugh
My effing God, who the fuck are these people? Seriously, WTF?
jibeaux
Yeah, because Colin Powell’s ancestors came to the West Indies on a cruise ship. And because there is hatred in breast milk, it’s wedged in there with the vitamins and whatnot. What insufferable rot. Alan Keyes would read this, and think, “man, that sounds a little bit crazy.”
debbie
I despair for this country.
Zifnab
@Fergus Wooster: When do we finally get to marry our box turtles?
Randy P
@dmsilev:
With BoB sometimes I also suspect do-it-yourself trepanning.
http://www.noah.org/trepan/people_with_holes_in_their_heads.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning
http://www.trepan.com/
aimai
Well, at least they grant him loyalty–or was that some backhanded way of accusing him of being a momma’s boy?
On the one hand, as someone observed over at media matters, “third world non white dicks” are seen has exerting an almost diabolical effect on white women. She slept with two muslims and fell in with their world dominating plans is a given, both of the muslims and the sex, apparently. On the other hand, it is the “mother’s milk” that is responsible for Obama’s race hatred. Its an astonishingly rich, deep, and perverse view of the human body, natural bodily fluids, and their psycho/sexual/political importance. Would the whole theory of the evil influence of “third world anthropologists” (so different from first world ones!) fall if it turned out that like other women of the period she *bottle fed him*?
aimai
slag
Hard out here being white. Hard out here being a man. Hard out here being a white man.
Poor guy. If so many women weren’t too busy making 72 cents for every dollar he earns, I’m sure they’d be feeling very sorry for him right now.
Bob L
@Menzies: Yes, you got love how they put a corpse on trial. “What’s a matter, have nothing to say against my charge of white hate Mrs dead woman? Speak up! Let the record show the corpse was left speechless”
BTW Wasn’t Obama’s grandmother the woman who raised him?
one two seven
Can someone please point to an historical example of another president’s mother who received this kind of treatment?
Randy P
@dmsilev:
With BoB I sometimes suspect it’s do-it-yourself trepanning.
Ash
Hey now, Elin Woods beat down Tiger with a golf club, and she’s as lily-white as they come.
So confuzzling.
Martin
@slag: Hey, us white guys used to rule the world, now we only rule 70% of it. Has anyone else suffered as much? I don’t think so.
El Cid
Maybe they’re all thinking of this:
Rated 4 wetsuits & 3 dildo’s!
Ash Can
@mtraven:
I know this is just a typo, but me likey.
@Fergus Wooster: The thread’s messed up in IE, but fine in Firefox. Just change to a different browser, if you can.
Fergus Wooster
@one two seven: Not nearly as bad, but there was a pretty nasty pile-on against Bill Clinton’s mother, Virginia Kelley. White-trash single mom, and all.
Limbaugh and the other orcs were mocking her when Bill went back to Arkansas for her funeral.
Fergus Wooster
@Ash Can: Thanks. Sadly, only IE on this unit. I’ll have to suffer the strikeouts until I get home.
Cerberus
Guys, he’s saying she’s a race traitor. That’s basically the gist of it. By being willing to view one of “them” as human enough to sleep with and marry, she broke the bonds of “whiteness” and its separate-but-superior view of the “mongrel races”.
This is the same anti-integration rants except watered down by the social reality that the number of people who openly cheer those sorts of rants is low and getting lower and the number who find the very idea offensive is high and getting higher.
Rick Massimo
See? Completely serious, concerned citizens with serious concerns about taxes and spending. That’s all this is.
I think the media should pay much, much more attention to the conservatives.
Lisa
@El Cid:
That was such a terrifying (and oddly arousing) moment in that movie.
Brick Oven Bill
Hey Cole, please fix the thread. Stanley is a topic worthy of discussion without these lines.
Martin
@Brick Oven Bill: Get a real browser.
Comrade Jake
It’s almost like these people take pride in being assholes.
cleek
sounds like Spengler could use a bit of self-reflection. looks to me like he’s the only one trying to do any “anthropology”.
Meg
Sometimes I feel we are in the Harry Potter book and are surrounded by death eaters.
de stijl
Spengler, describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about… your mother.
kay
@one two seven:
I can’t, but there was some of this regarding Bill Clinton’s father. Not his stepfather. His birth father. Some speculation and nasty asides.
It was a class thing. Underneath all of the conservative venom towards Bill Clinton was a really nasty vein of ” he doesn’t belong in that chair”. I think he actually benefited from it. People like him, people who “moved up”, recognized the snobbery, and aligned with Clinton. I still hear it today, in all that “Big Dog” stuff, the affectionate teasing. Democrats like that Clinton was a little rough around the edges, class-wise.
IMO, these types of conservatives do not buy into the fundamental idea that people are self-determining. They think your trajectory is set from bloodline. Obama’s parents were what they were, and therefore Obama’s opinions and predilections were set in stone at his birth.
mistermix
@Brick Oven Bill: It’s apparently hard for descendants of that first comment to be formatted correctly, but I fixed it.
Joey Maloney
The current chin-scratcher
That looks a lot like Peter Griffin’s chin, IYKWIMAITYD.
Brick Oven Bill
Thank you mistermix.
Ed Drone
@Meg:
Don’t forget the Dementors in the media.
Ed
sukabi
Spouses do not necessarily share their likes, but they must have their hatreds in common. Obama imbibed this hatred with his mother’s milk.
So is the “author” blaming his own utter stupidity, ignorance and hatred on his mother or his wife? And what role has his father played?
lamh31
OT, but kinda apropos. TNC’s latest post in honor of CHM (Confederate History Month).
I really recommend reading it. I’m gonna also post it in the next Open Thread.
Honoring CHM: One Drop
pk
I so want the next president of the United States to be a latino. 8 yrs of a black guy followed by 8yrs of a Latino woman.
They might just commit ritual suicide (one can hope).
GregB
These are the same people that are outraged about the horribly intrusive attacks against Sarah Palin’s family, right?
Comrade Mary
@jibeaux:
The apparent difference in achievement between West Indian and American blacks is often used to blame and shame American blacks. Malcolm Gladwell wrote a great article about this a few — whoa — almost 15 years ago.
Brick Oven Bill
Leftist women can be particularly nasty. I had one of these teach me English at college. She marked me down for using the word ‘history’ in a paper, because of the gender basis of the word. This lady was really mean. She also had arm-pit hair.
There is a cure for all of this societal estrogen-anger. It is called ‘cooking’. This works best when the food is prepared for a traditional family.
For instance, kneading bread dough is a fifteen minute opportunity to reflect and dissipate the daily frustrations which are a normal and healthy part of life. Observing your children consuming food, prepared by your own hand, is also deeply satisfying.
jibeaux
@Comrade Mary:
I know, just completely freaking idiotic. Plus, Obama’s dad WAS an immigrant, voluntary shiny happy visitor to America. In this bizarre little eugenics rant, wouldn’t Obama’s happy immigrant blood be warring it out everyday with his hate-milk, giving him at the very least some walloping indigestion?
Felix Holt (formerly McGeorge Bundy)
I just finished reading Nixonland a second time.
The right wing has not changed at all, not one goddamned bit.
jeffreyw
I asked this one about it, he was still pissed at Cornyn, though he says he isn’t.
comrade scott's agenda of rage
@Svensker:
Them and their gun-lovin, libertarian fellow fucktards all need to go to their Utopia on earth: Somalia.
I’d chip in to send, oh, the 30-40 million (un)Real ‘Murkins there but the Somali people have never done anything to me to warrant that kind of punishment.
elmo
@jibeaux:
Prizewinner! May I present you with your Internet?
Felix Holt (formerly McGeorge Bundy)
@Felix Holt (formerly McGeorge Bundy): Speak of the devil. Rick Perlstein (and others) on the Tea Partiers: http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/what-tea-party-backers-want/?hp
Bob K
I made the mistake of clicking the link to the article written by David P. Goldman. I notice a lot of articles on Israel on the “First Things” website. Goldman sounds Jewish to me. They must be so proud of him at Temple. The next thing I noticed was the “mission statement” of these idiots.
First Things is published by The Institute on Religion and Public Life, an interreligious, nonpartisan research and education institute whose purpose is to advance a religiously informed public philosophy for the ordering of society.
One of the contributors is Ann Scalia – can not possibly be
Ann Forest Scalia Banaszewski? Starting to feel like Alice. Anybody got a blue pill?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PGgwjJG_ihw/SEr1_GL8veI/AAAAAAAAAAY/61zovOy_ba0/S660/matrix-red-blue-pills.png
Felonious Wench
@Brick Oven Bill:
Which is why I love to cook. I also find it very peaceful to write code or read about particle physics. Amazing how that works.
Back OT. Haven’t heard Malkin weigh in on this theory. That could be incredibly amusing.
kay
But how can this possibly apply to Michelle Obama? Who was raised middle class and did better than her parents and is a completely conventional striver.
I have to say, too, the conservative theme that American black people who are descended from slaves are somehow less American is baffling, too.
I honestly don’t get it. Anyway you look at it, they were here a hell of a lot longer than a lot of us. Good Christ, they’re akin to the first settlers, compared to the big waves of immigrants from Europe, who are always the people penning these screeds. If we’re using nearly any measure: contributions, place in US history, time served as “Americans”, they trump the whole European immigrant crowd, who arrived much later.
I feel as if that’s obvious, and shouldn’t be subject to any question.
Egypt Steve
Isn’t it obvious what is really going on here? Ask any black man who was ever suspected of sleeping with a white woman in the South before, oh, around 1970. Oh wait, you can’t, because he was strung up or dragged behind a truck. Obsessing over loss of sexual access to pure, white women because of the invincible competition of dark-skinned, large-cocked competitors is what is basically behind everything that has happened in the South since long before Fort Sumter. I don’t know if Spengler is a “Southerner” in the geographic sense, but even if not he is sure as fuck a quintessential product of the southernization of the radical right in this country.
Linda Featheringill
Ah Gee Whiz!! I can’t even think of appropriate cuss words right now.
Both of Ms. Dunham’s husbands appeared to be adults. I have heard no talk about her forcing these guys to mate with her.
As long as only consenting adults were involved, HER SEX LIFE IS NONE OF OUR FUCKING BUSINESS!
Or appropriate fodder for discussion by anyone else, either.
Back to reality. Where was I?
jibeaux
@elmo:
Just one internet? Aren’t I supposed to get all of them, with arugula garnish? Oh well, I’ll take what I can get. :)
SIA
This guy is a real piece of work
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/spengler/2010/03/26/who-is-barack-obama/
That Michelle, gettin’ all uppity an’ stuff.
bemused
Jeezlouise, how gullible are wingnuts? They’ll believe absolutely anything.
btw, there seem to be multiple Brick Ovens. Brick Oven with multiple personalities, multiple spoofs or one very inventive spoof.
Bob K
There’s no zealot like a convert apparently. A Refugee from the Larouche movement. The LaRouche movement has attracted devoted followers and developed some specific and elaborate policy initiatives, but has also been referred to variously as Marxist, fascist, anti-Semitic, a political cult, a personality cult, and a criminal enterprise.
If he wasn’t at “First Things” he’d probably be at the Heretic institute, Rasputin Polz, possibly a Faux/Pravada commentator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_P._Goldman
SIA
@Egypt Steve: Hey think you’ve got something there. It probably is as simple as that – pe e nis envy.
M A N D I N G O !
(Knew the sec I pressed “Submit” moderation was going to grab me for that p-word)
kay
@SIA:
I think the better question is why they think there’s a “secret”.
If they could get past skin color, and just evaluate the Obama’s based on all of the available evidence, they’d really sleep better.
Incidentally, the Obama’s paid 1.8 million in income tax this year. Available evidence that is sure to drive conservatives to distraction :)
jibeaux
@SIA:
I don’t know why we’re stopping with those two, he also has a half sister and TWO daughters! Further investigation will probably reveal Barack’s secret love for Lady Gaga, texting, and some guy in Hawaii.
The Grand Panjandrum
Apparently Storm Front is going mainstream Republican.
SIA
@kay:
Well….he’s black. And he’s the president. And apparently he’s rich. SOMETHING must be wrong here. And did I mention he’s blackity-black-black?
SRW1
The insecurity of this guy must be such that if he would have had to pencil this on paper by his own hand, the violent shaking of his body would have turned it into a symbol of his mental disposition.
No wonder he has been screaming for years.
The Grand Panjandrum
So political discourse on the Right has now become it’s very own FARK forum. Nice.
SIA
@jibeaux: ZOMG! That sister! And she married a guy that looks (GASP) ASIAN!
And they performed SPANISH DANCES at their wedding!
http://www.hawaii.edu/labschool/re3.pdf
kay
@SIA:
He’s amazingly forthcoming. I think he’s reserved, personally (and I approve of that, incidentally, I like people who keep a little back ) but he gives interviews constantly.
He isn’t going to tell you about his home life, but he’s certainly made himself available for questions on his professional life.
Unlike, say, Sarah Palin, who is the opposite. She’s all personal life. I was bored with her fucking personal life 3 months into it.
SRW1
@Brick Oven Bill:
You know Bill, there are people who struggle with being born in the wrong kind of body. You seem to be struggling with having been born in the wrong Millenium (and the right one for you would not be the one that ended a decade ago, you would need to go back a few more than that). Your English teacher seems to have been quite correct that you have a problem with history, it’s just that your problem is not being part of it.
jibeaux
@SIA:
Apparently, Barack Obama is secretly quite lovely and at least a C cup.
Quaker in a Basement
Good golly. Obama’s mother’s choice in sex partners shaped his politics?
This is taking fear of a black p3n1s to an astonishingly new zenith.
PanAmerican
@El Cid:
If ones social construct is racist, being sexually aroused by a black woman is going to get that cognitive dissonance hammering. It’s why they pine for the “old times” Strom Thurmond days. Back then, if a black woman caused that kind of sexual conflict, you could rape them to assert dominance.
It’s why lynching was routinely justified in sexual terms. Projecting onto the victims what was being done by white males to black women.
Shinobi
So… since I generally sleep with nerdy guys does that mean I’m buying into their quest to take over the world?
Please, someone mansplain me more about my future offspring by examining my sexual history and interpreting me and my influence on him/her through the lens of everyone I’ve ever slept with.
ruemara
Seriously Mr. Cole. Can you suspend the really infuriating stuff until after breakfast? Now pardon me, I’m gonna tell all the black people I know about this new concern.
SIA
@kay:
Good point. All personal life and all invective all the time.
licensed to kill time
I was going to say that one reason they have to make up incredibly creepy and ridiculous theories re: Obama and the evil insidious women in his life infesting him with their very breast milk! is that he gives them so little REAL material to work with.
He seems to have very healthy relationships with the women in his life and his marriage is about as sane and normal as I have ever seen in the political arena.
But that gives these folks far too much credit for rational thought and honest intent. They just can’t stand his black ass, or a woman who would have a relationship with a black dude. Why, it blows their little minds.
Chyron HR
@ruemara:
BLARGH WHY AREN’T YOU LIBERALS UP AT THE CRACK OF DAWN IN MY DAY IT’D BE THE CRACK OF THE WHIP ETC ETC ETC.
Joel
@Dog is My Copilot: Apparently, you have the time to complain about this supposedly meaningless discussion.
Ash Can
@Joel: As do you. So, pray tell, what makes it meaningful?
(Or were you just misreading Dog’s comment?)
Zuzu's Petals
Oh come ON.
Don’t you remember all the times we heard McCain and Bush described as the loyal sons of mothers who “went to bed” with white American men?!
Amanda in the South Bay
Wasn’t Spengler a darling of the right in the good old days of 2001-2003-ish?
Thankfully I’ve also changed my views, since he seems quite batshit crazy.
russell
Seriously, the guy writes under the nom de plume “Spengler”?
Brick Oven Bill
History took a large pause with the introduction of fossil fuels SRW1. But it is, for better or worse, coming our way again. It is unavoidable. This is because the foundation of history is competition for resources.
The abundance of resources provided by the internal combustion engine have largely been consumed. Orwell predicted that this abundance would be consumed by continuous low-intensity wars. He was wrong in this prediction, as the abundance was instead spent on HBD-Denialism.
Orwell also did not predict Peak Oil.
You can tell that Barack inherited more than just anger from his mom’s side. Observe this picture, and apply the Liberal Art of Geometry.
Most men cannot sit like this. I have tried. This lineage would explain the anger of Stanley’s dad, her resulting name, and our current predicament.
artem1s
@kay:
Anyway you look at it, they were here a hell of a lot longer than a lot of us. Good Christ, they’re akin to the first settlers, compared to the big waves of immigrants from Europe, who are always the people penning these screeds.
yes, that is their problem exactly. since black history month they haven’t been able to claim that white men did every stinking thing ever worth doing in this country. they can’t claim they were here first so they attempt to marginalize those who actually were. also. too. decedents of slaves are all welfare queens don’tchaknow.
Da Bomb
Didn’t you all get the memo..
Obama’s momma was a “white woman” and she is a special jewel to be held in high esteem and should not have tainted her bloodline with savagery. Since she slept with a mooslim, his sperm carried Islam with it and into Barack. So the President automatically is a mooslim soshlist facsit lyin’ african lion. Islam also poisoned her breast milk.
Then she went off and married another evil foreighner, who was also a mooslim and had another baby.
If only she would have slept with a white guy, then she would be pure again and all with be right with the world.
Michelle is angry black woman who sleeps with her fists clenched and yells “whitey” angrily throughout the night. That would make any woman’s breast milk tainted. She is just Angela Davis with a perm. / angry teatard
jibeaux
I think you could probably write a funny computer code for this. Input mom’s ethnic heritage and occupation. Insert fathers and stepfathers, but only to compare and contrast with mom, since this is the cherchez la femme program. (I think I can feel the ground rumbling as the biracial Alexandre Dumas rolls over in his grave.) Check box for breast or bottle fed. Insert wife’s ethnic heritage and occupation. Program generates resulting degree of American-ism.
ruemara
@Chyron HR:
West Coast, BICHEZ!
Joel
@Ash Can: Misread “they” as “we”.
kommrade reproductive vigor
Jesus clog dancing Christ. I had to check the year because I was certain this was some pre-election “Don’t let white guilt lead you to vote for Obama because he isn’t really black” b.s.
cleek
Black man, black woman, black baby
White man, white woman, white baby
White man, black woman, black baby
Black man, white woman, black baby
jl
Fine with me if these teabaggers hang themselves with this nonsense.
I think the forces of reason need to remember to attack them on the basis of their being batshit crazy wrong about facts as well as because many of them are racist nutjobs.
Their nutso economic beliefs are just as objectionable to me, and need to be attacked directly. From my experience, more of them believe in suicidal economic policies than are racist.
I believe that the teabaggers in my family are definitely not racist. I almost fell over when one of them criticized Palin for trying to sweep the race based spitting and name calling under the rug. I never dreamed that he would ever utter one syllable of criticism of Palin, ever. I guess I assumed he was too smitten by the hot reactionary lady to ever do so.
But he does not believe that the spitting and name calling stories are false or are a product of liberal plants. Says everyone knows there are nutcases in every movement. I try to keep a straight face when he says this, and try to put this family teabagger’s 100 percent wrong economic beliefs out of my mind so I can keep a straight face.
I fear this poor family teabagger will be disillusioned by yet another political movement, even before he gets over being disillusioned by the Bush-Cheney gang.
YellowJournalism
@Shinobi:
If that’s the case, then these people’s theories must be grounded in some form of osmosis.
russell
I think you probably need to lose the beer gut.
Cut back to no more than two a day, try to walk a half hour or so a few times a week.
The first black slaves I’m aware of in the English-speaking community in North America were brought here by Samuel Maverick in 1638.
Governor John freaking Winthrop owned black slaves.
Silver Owl
Men like Spengler make me ill.
In their messed up world the whole universe is just one big adult day care center for mentally and emotionally stunted white conservative men. Everyone is suppose forevah coddle, pamper and cater to their never ending insecurities.
Ash Can
@Joel: I’m glad I stopped barking long enough to realize that was a possibility.
jibeaux
@jl:
They’re not all racists, but I personally believe every one of them is either racist, has clinical grade paranoia, or just has an utter and complete obliviousness and/or hostility vis a vis objective fact and information, such as that Social Security and Medicare are effective and popular government programs. There just really isn’t any other way to explain a group of people who get up in the morning, pack a picnic lunch and a folding chair, maybe some sunscreen and canned drinks, who take the time potentially away from work and family, make arrangements for someone to pick up the kids, painstakingly misspell a handmade sign, and travel and park and get out and walk with your sign bemoaning your raise in taxes — all without ever bothering to observe 1) that your taxes have not actually gone up, and 2) that your health insurance costs, whether paid by you directly or indirectly by your employer who hasn’t given you a raise in four years, HAS. I believe pretty firmly that there isn’t a teabagger who you could actually have a rational, non-crazy conversation with.
Shinobi
@YellowJournalism: Brainwashing by peen? Perhaps this is also how Teh Gay is spread?
LuciaMia
Quit plaigirizing Ann Coulter!
Randy P
@Brick Oven Bill:
You realize those two sentences don’t have the same meaning, right? “I can’t do X” is not equivalent to “Nobody can do X” or even “Most men can’t do X”.
Some images for you.
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&q=men+crossing+legs&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle
Kay @ 52:
Which is kind of weird, because Obama did have an advantaged(all things considered) childhood. Middle to upper middle class upbringing.
asiangrrlMN
@kay: Three minutes. That’s how long it took for me to be bored with SP’s personal life.
I have to say, this Spengler guy has major issues with women, blacks, hatred, projection, and, yes, it probably does boil down to his microscopic dick.
jl
@jibeaux: I fear that you are right about at least a significant minority of them.
There may be hope for some. I was astonished that this teabagger in my family would ever entertain a critical thought about Palin for even one second, but now is criticizing her to the family for trying to sweep the obvious under the rug. That is a small bit of progress.
But for many, I think you are right. My parents are having serious heart to heart talks with a teabagger neighbor who seems to think Social Security is a private insurance policy and who supports privatization in order to get rid of government interference that endangers her retirement payments.
They ask her how she could have no memory whatever of how she mysteriously entered into this important lifelong contract with this huge benevolent private corporation that no one ever heard of and never runs ads, but with which every working citizen has an account. At first she said that her late husband was really smart and got her signed up, and she let him take care of all the finances.
This poor woman may be nuts and beyond help.
cleek
@jibeaux:
ah, but taxes are complicated. and Dick Teabag might not actually know what he paid last year. and if he made more money last year, he probably paid more taxes than he did the year before, but it could be a smaller percentage of income – but he probably didn’t do that math. or maybe he got money back from the IRS, but a different amount than last year, so who knows what that really means in terms of effective tax rate for the two years, etc..
and he probably paid more property taxes (yes, that’s local, but it all gets dumped into the I HATE TAXES bin). and if his taxes didn’t go up, or he doesn’t know or can’t tell, he’s being told multiple times every day that taxes on everybody else went up – so, maybe he just got lucky, unlike everybody else. and he just learned that half the country doesn’t pay any taxes!
damn you Obama!!
there are all kinds of ways Dick Teabag might be mislead about the tax situation.
all he has to do is keep on hatin Obama and the GOP will keep coming up with ways to make him feel good about it.
flukebucket
@russell:
When I saw “Spengler” my brain read “Mengele”
I know everybody hates BoB but may god have mercy on my soul he makes me laugh.
jl
When I saw ‘Spengler’ I thought of Oswald Spengler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Spengler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spengler%27s_civilization_model
Otswald Spengler, IMHO, was a very intelligent crazy person, who believed in a grand cyclical theory of the rise and decline of civilization. He thought the West had one or two centuries left and feared that remaining lifespan might be cut short by some kind of war of civilizations. Unless of course the West got its shit together somehow.
Samuel Huntington may have gotten his ideas about the war of civilizations or whatever from Spengler, but I have never found the time to research it.
Reading about the Loch Ness monster and Bigfoot is more interesting and useful in my daily life that trying to untangle the origins of these goofy grand civilization theories. Maybe if these crazy dudes could write something down in less than a thousand pages it might be different, but it is what it is -craziness.
Polar Bear Squares
Can we call them racists now?
SRW1
@Brick Oven Bill:
Hey Bill, know what? I can. So why don’t you take your insinuations and shove them up the dark place on your back side (if you manage that).
The Moar You Know
He could have made his point a lot easier by typing “mudshark” in 96-point font and just publishing that.
Brick Oven Bill
Here is a link for you SRW1:
Choose the right Zu Zu.
Uloborus
This pundit argument fascinates me, and I wish to see more of it. Not because these guys are disgusting racists. Conservatism is awash in in-group bias tribalism. You’re sure to find a good thread of racism in that.
I am fascinated because the ones who are supposed to be the mainstream intellectuals are getting so baldfaced about it. The Echo Chamber works. They’ve been listening to each other so long, absorbing Rush’s talking points that political correctness is the real racism and being praised for even the most ludicrous attacks on Obama that… well. Look at this. They’ve decided that discussing whether being the product of miscegenation makes Obama anti-American is *mainstream political discourse*.
I want lots, lots more of this. Please, Republican figures of authority and learning, feel so insulated from the values of the rest of America that you fly your freak flag as high as it will go. Every time you do, just a few more minorities – heck, whites, too – will come to permanently associate your entire political philosophy with blatant racism. I confess, I am becoming impressed at how deeply it goes.
Bob K
@ The Moar You Know
Thank the FSM for the urban dictionary else I’d never know what you were talking about.
How else could you find out about Mackerel Snappers, and that there are two definitions for “Garlic Eater”?
A term Japanese use when referring to Koreans. This is based on Japan rarely (if ever) using Garlic, while Koreans use it quite frequently. Japanese chefs often refer to Korean food as “the meal of a garlic eater”
Allan
@russell: Westbrook Pegler was already taken.
Darkmoth
I don’t think this is just simple racism. I think it’s an effort do denigrate a foe they fear deeply. It’s like imagining your boss in his underwear.
Look…they think Obama is a Mooslim who hates America, right? Yet they know that he won the Presidency. They see he passed the Stimulus. He passed Health Care. What kind of sekrit Mooslim can do all that except a SuperMuslim uber-genius mastermind? Osama Bin Ladin killed 3000 Americans, but Obama took over America. At least from their perspective.
I think in that context, much of the excrement they spew can be seen for the stark terror it is.
Quaker in a Basement
Which one of you knuckleheads broke the Internets?
SRW1
@Brick Oven Bill:
Bill, you’re procrastinating! Any news on the shoving business!?
Comrade Mary
@jibeaux:
Ha! And I think you just caused my Coke Zero to make war on my keyboard. Hater!
carolatl
@lamh31: Lam – I read that post and all the other ones he’s put up for “Confederate History Month.” Powerful, powerful stuff. TNC is a beautiful writer/thinker, and I always learn something at his blog. Plus he’s got an incredibly interesting commenting community.
Violet
What kind of crap is this? I know plenty of spouses who hate different things.
These people are crazy. Seriously.