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Constitutional rights

by DougJ|  April 23, 20106:31 pm| 42 Comments

This post is in: Good News For Conservatives, We Are All Mayans Now

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This sounds more like some kind of Biblical right to me:

The Arizona cops are hot on the trail of the man who threatened to kill Raul Grijalva’s staff over immigration, Tucson police spokesman Fabian Pacheco tells me. They have the number of the cell he used to make the threats and are looking to make an arrest.

Intriguing detail: The man allegedly told Grijalva’s staff that he was going to exercise his “constitutional right” to go kill Mexicans at the border, Pacheco says.

Probably another liberal plant anyway.

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  1. 1.

    MattR

    April 23, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    I thought this is exactly why the 2nd Amendment was added.

  2. 2.

    Alex

    April 23, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    Fabian Pacheco is a pretty cool name.

    Anyway, it really speaks to the wingnut psyche when, on a day that a law is passed that gives them everything they want regarding Teh Messicans, they still get all bitchy and splenetic and threaten to kill people because their fantasy world isn’t existing the way it should. People like this won’t be happy until every last liberal, moderate, and center-right person in America is dead.

  3. 3.

    freelancer

    April 23, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    Tucson police spokesman Fabian Pacheco tells me

    Sounds ferrrin’. Anybody stop him to ask for his papers?

    Senor Pacheco, yeah right.

  4. 4.

    eric

    April 23, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    liberal plant. move along.

  5. 5.

    Linda Featheringill

    April 23, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    @freelancer: In defense of Officer Pacheco – The police as a whole in Arizona do not support that bill. I don’t know about this particular officer.

  6. 6.

    Mark S.

    April 23, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Going after people who make death threats is just fanning the flames. This should not be talked about in public. Sheesh.

  7. 7.

    liberty60(Veteran, Great War of Yankee Aggression)

    April 23, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    On happier news, my congresswoman, Loretta Sanchez, did a good job of pushing back on the AZ law on Hardball;
    I loved the part where the wingnut claims to be able to spot illegals by their shoes.

    By the way, when Rep Grijalva made the police report, did they ask him for his papers? Or at least analyze his shoes?

  8. 8.

    Comrade Dread

    April 23, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    This sounds more like some kind of Biblical right to me:

    Well, it’s not in my bible.

    But I’ll check the apocrypha. It sounds like something I’d find in the Gospel according to St. Limbaugh; or maybe in the apostle Palin’s letter to the church of Alaskans.

  9. 9.

    Adam Collyer

    April 23, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    Is it too much to ask that people read the Constitution before they start citing it?

    I’m surprised that the police are actually investigating. After all, a great conservative once told me that sometimes, you’ve just got to keep on walkin’….

  10. 10.

    ruemara

    April 23, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Did I mention, “Fuck Arizona”? And fuck this douche. I haven’t f bombed on the internets this much since ’04.

  11. 11.

    ChockFullO'Nuts

    April 23, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Very unlikely, it seems to me, that this law will stand up to legal tests. I can’t see most police agencies showing any interest in enforcing it. Sheriff Joe Arpaio will, but he is already doing essentially what the law calls for anyway and has been for years.

  12. 12.

    Woodrowfan

    April 23, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Is it too much to ask that people read the Constitution before they start citing it?

    they get stuck on the big words…

  13. 13.

    eric

    April 23, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    @Woodrowfan: like “anti-communist” in the 2nd amendment ;)

  14. 14.

    Nellcote

    April 23, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    Intriguing detail: The man allegedly told Grijalva’s staff that he was going to exercise his “constitutional right” to go kill Mexicans at the border, Pacheco says.

    Report of a “shoot out” at the border. 6 cops killed. Coincidence?

  15. 15.

    Adam Collyer

    April 23, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    @Woodrowfan:

    they get stuck on the big words…

    They do seem to get stuck on “…establish justice, insure domestic tranquility,” don’t they?

  16. 16.

    beltane

    April 23, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    @Nellcote: Did this just happen?

  17. 17.

    Linkmeister

    April 23, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    @Adam Collyer: To say nothing of “promote the general welfare.” I don’t see the noun “welfare” modified by the adjective “white,” do you?

  18. 18.

    PeakVT

    April 23, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    @Nellcote: Probably, since the shootout was on the south side of Juarez and it was Mexican police that died.

  19. 19.

    JasonF

    April 23, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    @liberty60(Veteran, Great War of Yankee Aggression):

    I loved the part where the wingnut claims to be able to spot illegals by their shoes.

    Apparently, Arizona really does have Fashion Police now.

  20. 20.

    DougL (frmrly: Conservatively Liberal)

    April 23, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Ain’t racist white people just the friendliest and nicest people out there?

    /wretch

    We have entered the Papers please!  phase of our existence. It’s odd how much these assholes think that the government should stay out of their lives that they agree to be forced to prove their citizenship whenever the police stop them. Oh, right… if you are white you are all right. So it’s fine as long as they specify a skin color other than theirs.

    This is what Arizona gets for being a snow bird state, the old folks now rule the roost there. A few of my customers here are snow birds who winter in AZ and to a person they are Obama haters.

    To a person. I enjoy getting into arguments with them because they are easy to confuse when you pull out facts and lay them down on the table. I’ll never change their minds but I do love to point out how wrong they are on just about every topic they rant about.

    Good thing I’m known as the go-to guy if you are looking for a computer geek around here, they’re basically a captive audience. :)

  21. 21.

    Origuy

    April 23, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Ok, none of the posts with the link to the CNN article about the shooting seem to have made it through. No links in this one.

    This one made it. Something about that URL. Anyway, PeakVT said what I was trying to say. Oh, and FYWPVM.

  22. 22.

    Pasquinade

    April 23, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Arizona; beating Texas at crazy since 2010

    Arizona: We’re dumber than Alabama, more racist than Mississippi and crazier than Texas

    The Klan Canyon State

    Do the White Thing

    http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23AZStateslogans

  23. 23.

    El Cid

    April 23, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    IT MIGHT NOT BE IN YER DAM LIBRUL CONSTUSHUN WRITTEN OUT WIF ALL YER DAM WORDS & SHIT AS SUCH BUT IT’S SURE AS HELL IN THE CONSTUSHUN AS GOOD AMERICAN PATRIOT CONSERVATIVES KNOW IT IN THEIR HEART THAT THEY CAN JUST GO BLOW PEOPLE THE FUCK AWAY IF’N THEY LOOK UN-AMERICAN

  24. 24.

    Boudica

    April 23, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    I cannot believe that my daughter is heading to U of Az for four years in August. Of course, this crazy stuff happens AFTER she accepts. Too late to get the deposit back?

  25. 25.

    Pasquinade

    April 23, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Armed militia organizing in Cochise County

    Bill Davis is calm and methodical as he describes his group’s goals.

    You could say he has a deadly earnestness.

    “If we think they’re carrying drugs, weapons, contraband, we’ll get out in front of ’em and stop ’em,” says Davis. “They won’t get past us. You can write into that what you want, short of shooting them.”

    Davis is recruiting combat veterans, with kill records, to camp out and patrol along the border, and he isn’t afraid to let the world know.

    http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=12353515

    Check out Davis’ picture.

  26. 26.

    Colette

    April 23, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    @Pasquinade: From Dirtbag Davis:

    they have my authorization to return fire

    Jesus H. Cracker. Who the hell is he to authorize anybody to shoot someone else?

  27. 27.

    Adam Collyer

    April 23, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    @DougL (frmrly: Conservatively Liberal):

    We have entered the Papers please! phase of our existence.

    This is disgusting.

    Earlier this morning, we had a thread on the validity of requiring citizens to present photo ID in order to get the ballot. I’m in favor of requiring an ID of some sort (including a utility bill or similar document) but not necessarily a photo ID. You can reasonably debate whether certain activities, including voting, should require some type of proof of identification.

    But merely existing now requires identification at all times? That’s just not ok. And requiring the police to meet some standard before asking for it certainly doesn’t make me feel better about it. I can’t believe there are people who willingly acquiesce to this nonsense.

  28. 28.

    scav

    April 23, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Arizona. The heart of crAZy.

    GFYAZ

  29. 29.

    PaulW

    April 23, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Begin the boycott of Arizona now.

    Start reminding all your Hispanic friends that the Republicans are the bastards who want to hunt them out of the United States, even the ones who were born and raised here for generations.

    If anyone sees a Republican celebrating Cinco de Mayo next week, slap them.

  30. 30.

    trollhattan

    April 23, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Suggest stitching Arizona and Nevada together, prying them up and tossing them into the center of Texas. Call it Dumbfuckistan and build the biggest, wingnuttiest border fence wall around it, guarded 24/7, like they like.

  31. 31.

    Splitting Image

    April 23, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    This sounds more like some kind of Biblical right to me:

    Not even. Treating travellers and guests in your country properly is one of the most important themes in Leviticus, if not the most. The assholes who cite the one or two passages about gays and women over and over have no clue.

    Not to mention that it’s the real reason Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. The Lord sent a couple of angels to the cities to see what people would do. Lot offered them hospitality and the rest of the town formed a lynch mob. Bye bye Sodom.

    “You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the LORD your God.” – Lev. 24:22 (English Standard Version)

    “When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.” – Lev. 19:33-4 (ESV)

  32. 32.

    Mnemosyne

    April 23, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    If I were, say, Eva Longoria Parker, I’d be so tempted to go to Arizona and dare them to arrest me. “My family has lived here since 1603 and you want me to prove my citizenship?”

  33. 33.

    mcd410x

    April 23, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    We don’t have to boycott the Grand Canyon since it’s federal, right? I can stay in Utah.

    Except for LDS. Dang it.

  34. 34.

    Anne Laurie

    April 23, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    @Alex:

    People like this won’t be happy until every last liberal, moderate, and center-right person in America is dead.

    And even if that were ever to happen, they’d promptly turn on each other and start killing their ‘comrades’ for being insufficiently bigoted, paranoid & violent. This isn’t a political movement, it’s a groupthink psychotic breakdown.

    Any bets there will be a new license plate issued to help cover the costs of all the legal challenges? Maybe a stars’n’bars logo with the motto:

    “Ya can’t spell CRAZY without AZ!”

  35. 35.

    Zuzu's Petals

    April 23, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    @liberty60(Veteran, Great War of Yankee Aggression):

    Has she ever explained why she was such a d-bag during the health care vote?

  36. 36.

    Zuzu's Petals

    April 23, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    @El Cid:

    IT MIGHT NOT BE IN YER DAM LIBRUL CONSTUSHUN WRITTEN OUT WIF ALL YER DAM WORDS & SHIT AS SUCH BUT IT’S SURE AS HELL IN THE CONSTUSHUN AS GOOD AMERICAN PATRIOT CONSERVATIVES KNOW IT IN THEIR HEART THAT THEY CAN JUST GO BLOW PEOPLE THE FUCK AWAY IF’N THEY LOOK UN-AMERICAN

    IOW, it’s in the ballpark.

  37. 37.

    ksmiami

    April 23, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    I can’t wait until all the people who actually WORK in Arizona LEAVE that miserable hell hole and let all the old white dudez carry their own friggin golf clubs in 117 degrees. Really, just fuckety fuck the Nazi GOP party esp the ones in AZ. I hope the whole state just collapses – it couldn’t happen to a more derserving bunch of tards

  38. 38.

    Wolfdaughter

    April 23, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Folks:

    This white-haired, 64-year-old, retired librarian and Arizona denizen, pleads with you. We’re not all crazy here. In 08, Democratic registrations considerably outpaced Republican registrations, although there are yet more registered Republicans.

    Especially here in Tucson, long considered the commie center of the state, there are a lot of us lefties, and we’re mad as hell. Trust me, we’ll be out there registering, ferrying to the polls on voting day, working on developing viable candidates, etc.

    I do agree with those of you who plan to boycott the state. Please write to the Arizona Daily Star here in Tucson, or to the Arizona Republic in Phoenix. Group letters are even better with lots of signatures. Let people know that this craziness is going to be hurting tourism. Our big businessmen are mostly assholes but they’re not crazy and they’ll exert pressure on our crazier legislative folk.

    We were one of the last states, maybe the last, to ratify Martin Luther King day as a holiday, but when the athletic industry started boycotting Arizona, that day was enabled in a hurry. Money DOES talk.

    I personally think this will be the last gasp of the really crazy people here. A lot of people tend conservative, sure, but they’re gonna be looking at recent events and reconsidering. I hope so, anyway.

  39. 39.

    Wolfdaughter

    April 23, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    By the way, I know Grijalva personally. He has a LOT of clout here in Tucson and these threats will be taken very seriously.

    Raul is a pretty laid-back guy and doesn’t get mad easily. But he’s not gonna take this lying down. Watch for some action on the federal level. I’ll be throwing some $$$ his way, and if anyone other Juicer can do that as well, that would be helpful. Thanks.

  40. 40.

    Martin

    April 24, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Gotta say, someone is working hard to make Texas look like a pretty pleasant place.

  41. 41.

    Citizen Alan

    April 24, 2010 at 2:48 am

    Ya know what is the worst thing of all about this crap? Despite the fact that the AZ Republican Party apparently desires Latino Americans to vote Democrat with the same frequency as African-Americans, and despite the fact that John McCain is apparently going full-on Teabagger in order to fend off the primary challenge from J.D. Frankenstein, Wikipedia informs me that there are only two Democrats registered to run in the 2010 Senate Race: the vice-mayor of Tucson and the former mayor of Bell Gardens, California.

    As late as October 2009, the Democratic openly said they weren’t even bothering to recruit anyone for this Senate race. It’s sure a good thing the Democrats have given up on the 50-State Strategy. All that success we had in 2006 and 2008 was getting boring. By all means, let’s go back to our prior strategy of just lying down and letting the Repukes walk all over us.

  42. 42.

    Joe Sanz

    April 25, 2010 at 7:24 am

    It is totally outrageous how Arizona can seriously contemplate something so inconceivable as to make it a crime to violate the sovereignty of the USA at will, fail to cross at established points of entry like everyone else and continue to re-enter the country after being deported.

    Mexico would never do this to illegals in their country right?
    Oops, I guess in Mexico you are not only considered a criminal but a felonious one and are unceremoniously tossed in a hole of a prison cell with a 5 gallon bucket for a bathroom…

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