Preliminary information indicates that members of the Detroit Police Special Response Team approached the house and announced themselves as police, Godbee said, citing the officers and at least one independent witness.
“As is common in these types of situations, the officers deployed a distractionary device commonly known as a flash bang,” he said in the statement. “The purpose of the device is to temporarily disorient occupants of the house to make it easier for officers to safely gain control of anyone inside and secure the premise.”
Upon entering the home, the officer encountered a 46-year-old female inside the front room, Godbee said. “Exactly what happened next is a matter still under investigation, but it appears the officer and the woman had some level of physical contact.
“At about this time, the officer’s weapon discharged one round which, tragically, struck 7-year-old Aiyana Stanley Jones in the neck/head area.”
Yes, this was a murder investigation, but why is it COMMON for police to be throwing god damned grenades into people’s houses? You think that might be the problem? Did they have somewhere else to be? Couldn’t they wait until the morning? Are stake-outs just in the movies these days?
I’m surprised they didn’t charge the family with child endangerment like they did in Missouri.
Lisa K.
“the officer’s weapon discharged”
Yeah, all by itself, just like magic…
Do cops get ANY training whatsoever?
Just Some Fuckhead
Maybe they were out of drones.
fucen tarmal
cops get lots of training, in how not to express any culpability at all, police reports are objects d’ art for future generations who will study us from a safe and smug distance. are there any bigger whores anywhere than magistrates?
scarshapedstar
Well, shit, why not just take a flamethrower, burn the house down, and ID the ashen remains of those inside?
They just gotta make sure that doing so is “department policy” first, of course, otherwise it might be illegal.
Mnemosyne
I don’t know if there’s more information in the Detroit papers, but people in the comments are saying that the “house” was a duplex and the cops initially went to the wrong unit. If so, they don’t even have the fig leaf of claiming the operation was a success that led to the arrest of the suspect if they were in the wrong goddamned apartment.
(Edited for clarity)
CJ
@Lisa K.:
The wonders of grammar.
“Mistakes were made.” Passive voice frees all.
Calming Influence
Cop pussies with their flash-bangs and tasers – what happened to the good old days when you’d just throw a choke hold on the evil-doer?
fucen tarmal
@scarshapedstar:
believe they call that “the philadelphia people mover”
Phoenician in a time of Romans
Look, liberal pussies – would you rather that police burst into people’s homes throwing REAL grenades and DELIBERATELY shooting householders in the neck and head area?
By the standards of, say, the KGB or the Gestapo, these police were positively polite.
Calming Influence
@Phoenician in a time of Romans: Srysly? These are my only two choices?
MikeJ
@Phoenician in a time of Romans: You can kill 5,999,999 Jews before anybody is allowed to make any comparisons to previous mad men.
From Both Sides
What do you mean the specific apartment matters?
El Cid
Hey, the Philadelphia police dropped C4 out of a helicopter onto the roof of a housing complex, and claimed they didn’t know it would start a fire which went on to kill 11 including 5 kids and burn down 65 homes.
By the way, when do we get any of these omelets for which our best & brightest have been breaking so many eggs?
Larkspur
I know we don’t have all the facts yet. But damn, a flash bang door knockdown and I’d do anything to anyone at any level of physical contact to try to protect my 7 year old. I’d probably have expected that I’d get shot, not her. And apparently a suspected murderer was hiding there, and no one theorizes that the residents may be in danger from him? This is all so bad.
A torture attitude is invading our policies everywhere. No planning, no negotiation, no patience, just shock and awe from the start, an assumption that the civilians you are dealing with are hostile insurgents.
El Cid
Look, parents are just going to have to learn to let police barge in and endanger their children, ’cause if they try to protect their children, the police might accidentally shoot the kids.
Paris
@El Cid: Black people aren’t supposed to burn.
Elisabeth
The police spokesman said Sunday was the worst day of his career. Asshole. It was the last day of a seven-year-old’s life. Screw how he feels.
Guster
@From Both Sides: Well, reading the article, it’s clear that really, the cops are victims, too. They have children.
Jesus Christ. I’m pretty pro-cop (read: I’m white, middle-aged, and middle-class) but how about you let the family of the child you murdered grieve without this ghoulish display of crocodile tears.
This is ‘probably the worst day’ of the spokescop’s career.
Calming Influence
There was once a time in our history when police, faced with a similar situation, would have almost unanimously thought “we have to think of another way to get this suspect, because there’s an innocent kid in there.”
From Both Sides
@Guster:
By the logic that the Detroit police applied, the NYPD could get a warrant for an entire high-rise apartment building and do a free-for-all search of dozens of apartments because of one person’s possible whereabouts. Any bets the issuing judge never knew there were subunits for the address?
ThresherK
I know ED-209 has a role in this. No discretionary skills whatsoever.
fucen tarmal
@El Cid:
stranger still,
there is no annual left wing cry for vengance to compare with the right’s annual whacko for waco celebration, and the hand wringing explanations thereof…
kinda puts into perspective the whole leftist domestic terrorism vs rightie domestic terror threat.
Citizen_X
@Phoenician in a time of Romans: I’d prefer the relatively-polite-compared-to-the-Gestapo police get the fucking apartment right before they go blasting in and shooting up everybody.
Ed Drone
@scarshapedstar:
Been there, done that. See “Move, Philadelphia.”
Ed
El Cid
@fucen tarmal: I recall that at the time the left was pretty furious at the reckless use of firepower at the Waco compound, no matter how much we hated such cultish authoritarian freak-types, and I also remember having arguments with more centrist Democrats who certainly were disappointed in the outcome but just felt that since the compound occupants shot the police, massive use of force was justified.
But, no, it wasn’t an occasion to declare the oncoming UN-Hillary-Russian occupation of the USA using barcodes, etc., nor time to go out and buy colloidal silver and volunteer for your local militia, but just that the same paramilitary drug war tactics applied so much throughout the 1980s was continuing, and maybe worsening.
I also remember Alexander Cockburn joking about how many officials declared (like Janet Reno) that they “took responsibility” for the events, however, ‘taking responsibility’ meant that in effect, there were no consequences whatsoever. (Though in fairness it was another shitty situation that Bush Sr.-era officials handed off to Clinton.)
It’s the same every where. A bank executive can stand up in front of Congress and declare ‘I take full responsibility,’ etc., etc., and it actually means the opposite of taking full responsibility — it means you are hung on no hooks and you are burdened by no consequences outside whining.
I take full responsibility for the preceding comments.
Kryptik
And people wonder why some folks don’t trust cops in general, forget things like drug busts, or immigration enforcement and what not.
Lisa K.
@Phoenician in a time of Romans:
I’d rather they didn’t kill little girls for no good reason.
El Cid
@Ed Drone: 25 years ago last week. The Inquirer had a special multi-media section on the MOVE bombing and the consequences for so, so many.
El Cid
@ThresherK: In his defense, ED-209 at least claimed he gave you 20 seconds to comply, although he didn’t. Still, he said something nice.
Kryptik
@El Cid:
That, and all you needed to shake him off is a set of small stairs.
eric
OT…for those metal heads among you, Dio has passed away.
Part of my youth is now gone. Peace
eric
wrb
1 out of 10 times they throw grenades they scare the pets so much they don’t have to shoot them.
So there is that.
Brandon
How many units do police get to simultaneously execute a paramilitary warrant on for it to be a 4th Amendment violation? How far does “reasonable suspicion” go? As far as I’m concerned, the moment they burst through those folks door, they violated their Federal civil rights and lack any ability after to hide behind their badges as a defense. They want to blame the family for this girls death through this whole “physical altercation” with the grandmother business. That shit don’t fly when the entire course of events was premised on this initial violation. I hope these folks sue these officers both in state courts for wrongful death and in Federal court for violating their civil rights. The way the police are already denying culpability is disgusting.
El Cid
Another big TeaTard initiative: repealing the 17th Amendment (direct election of Senators) because, well, things were much better when your state legislatures picked your Senators.
I take full responsibility. We need to stop pointing fingers. What really matters are the issues.
celticdragonchick
I notice that in the newspaper comments section that the rogue cop fellating sado-masochist types are already calling the mother a murderer for…whatver it was she may or may not have done. I can’t really tell, but they always show up to fluff any police officer who wastes a black person or “white trash” in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It is fascinating (and deeply disturbing) to see the sheer bloodthirsty desire for culture war vengeance that they sublimate on police killings. You can imagine just how they wish they were they to pull the trigger.
El Cid
@celticdragonchick: How do we know that the mother wasn’t a ticking time bomb, or knew where one was, or maybe had one time or another thought about a ticking time bomb?
celticdragonchick
@Brandon:
The police after action review board will release a report two months from now absolving the police form any responsibility. The family will be quoted in the same newspaper story as saying that they were never contacted or interviewed in any way. A police spokesman will say the incident was regrettable but that the officers would do exactly the same thing under the same circumstances.
I recall Jello Biafra (of the Dead Kennedy’s)was trying to warn us about this 20 years ago.
fucen tarmal
@El Cid:
or just wanted to see that bastard roadrunner get what was coming to him.
celticdragonchick
@El Cid:
I agree. It would irresponsible not to speculate. For all we know, the whole family may have been hiding radioactive zombie mutants in hermetically sealed cannisters in the basement in preparation for Zombie Apocalypse.
Best if we send in SWAT with helicopter gunships, flamethrowers and thermobaric warhead guided missiles…just to be sure.
El Cid
@celticdragonchick: Well, as long as we don’t have to Mirandize anybody.
Nick
@Phoenician in a time of Romans:
My grandmother remembers OVRA breaking down the doors of her house and hauling away her uncle because he was suspected of Communist sympathies.
And yet she still thinks that was just fine.
burnspbesq
Jeez, the comments on the story at freep.com are depressing.
Too many police chiefs have spent too much time reading too many Tom Clancy books. Former LAPD Chief Daryl Gates, who pioneered the SWAT concept, and who died recently, can burn in hell for all I care.
celticdragonchick
@Phoenician in a time of Romans:
Speaking for myself (since I am one of the more aggressively outspoken gun owners here) , I have zero problem expending ammunition on hypothetical KGB, NKVD, SA, SS or Waffen SS agents…or police officers who kill kids and innocent bystanders. If that was my daughter, I would absolutely deal in retribution. I will not try to bring any moral justification for it, nor will ignore the fact that I would be dealing grief and heartache to another family…but if an officer killed my child, I would hunt him and kill him. Period.
jrg
I love how we’re supposed to respect the police because they “risk their lives” for law and order… Until it’s time to apprehend someone (even someone non-violent), then the cops are entitled to go on a killing rampage if there’s a greater than 1% chance that Deputy Sheriff Fucktard might get a paper cut.
daveinboca
JOhn Fucktard Cole, they found the 34-year old murder suspect and his stash, which is what Detroiters call the stolen stuff etc., involved in the drive-by murder.
@celticdragonchick if you were involved hiding a murderer and your kid were killed, then fuck you in the ass with an airhammer besides, you putrid whore.
Mark S.
In another ten years this will be common:
El Cid
@Mark S.:
Maybe the officer was just being friendly and testing as to whether or not increased voltage to the driver would cause the tail-light to function better.
Annamal
Phoenician….sarcasm tags….definitely need sarcasm tags….
Mark S.
@El Cid:
Oh, well then it would be okay.
@daveinboca:
Go fuck yourself asshole. No one has any problem with arresting murderers. The question is doing it in a way that doesn’t unnecessarily kill innocent people. But you’re probably the type that masturbates over dead seven year olds, so why don’t you head back to freerepublic.
kay
@jrg:
I don’t know what people are supposed to do to show a level of deference and passivity that will satisfy police officers.
They threw an explosive device through her window at 1 A.M. They then burst into her living room. She was in the house with a 7 year old. Of course she “resisted”. She didn’t know what the hell was going on. The point of the explosive device is so that she won’t know what’s going on. Imagine that fear and chaos, from her angle, fear and chaos they planned and created. She’s the only adult who doesn’t know what’s going on.
What, exactly, did they imagine the people in that house were going to do? What would be enough for them? Just immediately drop to the ground and play dead when they attack?
Mnemosyne
@daveinboca:
They found him in the other apartment.
Do you understand the concept of multiple residents who live in separate units in a single building? If my neighbor two doors down from me is wanted for murder, do the cops get to bust into my apartment and shoot me in the head because we’re all in the same building?
El Cid
@kay: A good citizen should be able to tell the difference between a legitimate law enforcement flashbang grenade in the middle of the night and simply leave children to their fate as meted out by the unseen law enforcement officers, and a loud bang or explosive used by darkie criminal elements through which a proud 2nd amendment-backing citizen can gain the opportunity to blow some sumbitches away to hell.
gwangung
@daveinboca: Well, I thought point of these tactics was to PREVENT these kind of deaths of innocents. Profesionalism in police is to apprehend the criminals without endangering bystanders.
Mnemosyne
@El Cid:
Don’t forget, criminals are honorable people who would never, ever claim to be police officers in order to gain entrance to the home and cooperation from their victims. So if people carrying guns barge into your home in the middle of the night and claim to be police officers, you can always be sure that they’re telling the truth.
kay
@El Cid:
It is incredibly fucked up that the onus has shifted, from police showing professionalism and restraint, to citizens being expected to somehow pick up battle-hardened evasion tactics on the fly, and avoid injury.
Move slowly, don’t ask any questions, don’t raise your voice, drop to the floor, keep your hands visible, don’t keep a dog, or you might set them off.
It’s backwards.
Would you be at all surprised if they started suggesting citizens get training? It may be the only way to go. Clearly, the burden has somehow shifted, and it’s our job to create a situation where they feel safe, or well, we fucked up again, and made them kill someone!
El Cid
@Mnemosyne:
Why would a good citizen choose to live in the same building that would one day have a murder suspect hiding out? You knew what you were in for when you signed that lease.
These things just happen.
No comments about how such things are inevitable in the stress and confusion of
BaghdadDetroit.El Cid
@kay:
However, if you have mastered any of these skills, it’s of course proof to authorities on a raid that you’ve had anticipatory criminal or terrorist training, and thus even a greater threat.
El Cid
This is a truly memorable detail:
Church Lady
@Mnemosyne: Strangely enough, that’s already happened here. Gang does home invasion, claiming to be the police to gain entry, then robs household. A couple of homeowners have been killed.
kay
@El Cid:
Remember the Gates incident? It was The Conventional Wisdom.
“Didn’t he know he can’t raise his voice in the presence of a police officer?”
Somehow, Gates acted unprofessionally. I was flabbergasted, at how that shift occurred. WTF? Since when?
He’s not a police officer, and he’s not a career criminal. He’s a professor. First arrest. He’s a crime-novice. The one with the badge and the training has the job, here. Gates has a different job.
Pete M
Funny how the assholes freak out over something as simple (and legal) as an abortion yet when a 7 year old girl is murdered that’s just part of the cost of doing business. Where’s the outrage over that?? Mindless, boot-licking, sycophants that they are.
/rant
Anne Laurie
@kay:
Fixed that for you.
I’m sure at least some of the cops involved in this FUBAR will genuinely regret it for the rest of their lives, but chroist jayzuz, they’re supposed to be the effin’ professionals here. When the sane blue-suits don’t keep the cowboys on a short leash (attached to a shock collar), it’s gonna be dead little girls, more cops with PTSD, and another batch of shell-shocked bystanders and family members who are going to treat every individual wearing a uniform as an immediate threat.
eli
Police murder children with impunity. These pigs must be brought to justice. It is time for the revolution, folks.
El Cid
@Anne Laurie: I don’t want to localize this as choices made by individual cops on the scene, or even their immediate commanders.
There’s a whole mentality shift in increasing paramilitarization of police forces in terms of what is and isn’t normal behavior, what is and isn’t permissible in terms of approaches, and if something does go wrong, it becomes an entirely local affair. What did this officer do, what did this officer not do…
It’s only until a scandal like RAMPARTS in L.A. is so huge and all-encompassing that an entire force is rebuilt from the outside, but even then it’s not a set of lessons applied throughout the nation.
It’s actually a pretty blatant defense of paramilitary strategies for people to immediately begin accusing those horrified by these approaches as blaming individual cops — i.e., if you seem to be mainly blaming individual cops, then (a) you need to debate the microsecond by microsecond unreconstructable version of events to find ‘responsibility’, and (b) attention is placed upon your worthiness in engaging in the debate, since, now, presumably, you hate cops.
Then again, we let cities fall to crap and the jobs and industries evaporate and watch it all rot and people suffer the consequences and watch crime and other ills explode out of them, and we expect a fearful police force to be the only social services needed.
kay
@Anne Laurie:
So sad. The tragedy that is the 17 year old’s shooting is compounded with a dead 7 year old.
Too, is sounds like the girl’s father came out from a back room. He says he missed the actual series of events, and arrived in the front room to find a police officer carrying his daughter out, and his mother on the floor.
How does this insane chaos-producing battle-entry even make sense for the cop’s safety? There was a man in the back of the house, and they were looking for a man who had shot a 17 year old, so probably armed.
El Cid
@Pete M: Before birth she was a sinless angel, a representative of God’s love.
By age 7 she was corrupted into a sinful hatchling knowingly sleeping near a brutal murderer.
It’s different.
chrome agnomen
@daveinboca:
dude. seek professional help.
El Cid
Maybe they should charge the little girl posthumously for the theft & destruction of a police flashbang grenade.
celticdragonchick
@daveinboca:
That was almost Zen-like in its purity of purpose.
Funny how some guys really do have to revert to sexually violent imagery and suggestions of rape with mechanical objects when they want to express themselves…
*yawn*
celticdragonchick
@El Cid:
I think you win the thread with that one.
Yutsano
@celticdragonchick: It’s like the Chinese who charge the family of the executed for the cost of the bullet to kill them. That policy always disturbed me.
Corner Stone
@El Cid:
As evidenced by the lazy approach of tasing everyone in sight at first contact.
smith
@Mnemosyne:
This actually happened, in all places, Detroit a few years back. Gangbangers were staging home invasions wearing police uniforms and jackets, had fake police badges, and announcing themselves as police when they entered the premises. They then proceeded to rob and beat up the people in the house. I think one woman was even raped.
smith
@El Cid:
Don’t give them any ideas. Seriously, in this litigious society, I wouldn’t be shocked if the officers sued the family for inflicting “mental distress” on the officers because they HAD to shoot the little girl. How dare the apartment have a 7-year-old girl in the residence when the police are on the rampage?
mclaren
The answer to these kinds of situations seems simple: the police should simply drop a bomb on the suspect’s house from a helicopter, the way the Philadelphia police did 25 years ago.
“It was necessary to destroy the family in order to save it.”
fucen tarmal
@kay:
you better lose the attitude when you drop to the ground and play dead immediately, cops hate it when suspects er persons of interest er innocent bystanders drop to the ground and play dead insolently.
TooManyJens
@daveinboca: Fuck you.
mclaren
There are so many of these unprovoked attacks by muggers with badges that you could literally post a dozen of these kinds of incidents every day:
D.A. Clears Police Officer Who Killed Innocent Man Wearing Same Color Shirt As Robbery Suspect.
Police officer slams innocent bystander into the wall in a mall, breaking his neck and leaving him in a permanent coma.
SWAT team surrounds wrong apartment, bombards it with tear gas, smashes in the door and attacks with machine guns and shotguns.
It just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and onand on and on and on and on.
Laertes
I hate the chickenshit language that cops employ. They’re very fussy about it too. I have a cop friend and he gets all uptight when I speak of “attacking” someone with a taser.
Cops don’t “assault” people. They “apply closed hand techniques.” If you shove a cop, that’s assault. If he beats you to a bloody pulp in response, that’s “restraining the suspect.”
They have a carefully engineered vocabulary that normalizes the violence they perpetrate. You won’t, for instance, ever read in a police report that a suspect’s weapon discharged and tragically struck an officer. That sort of language, shaded to cast the killer in the best possible light–and not incidentally to state facts about motive far in advance of any investigation–is reserved for shooters with badges.
scarshapedstar
@Ed Drone:
Wow. I’m speechless. Never heard about MOVE, probably because I was 3 months old at the time.
Calming Influence
@daveinboca:
We have a rental unit, and as far as I know, our tenant isn’t a murderer. But if my tenant murders someone tomorrow, will that make it O.K. for the police to shoot my kids to apprehend my tenant?
I’m really hoping celticdragonchick hunts you down and sodomizes you with a blunderbuss.
El Cid
@mclaren: This is unfair. No one had told them that setting off a large explosion using C4 might have caused a fire in the roof, so, obviously it’s nobody’s fault.
I assume full responsibility.
Calming Influence
@Laertes:
Nailed it.
Keith G
I guess it can be said our society has gotten better. I was in Detroit in 1967. I got to see it burn. And the destruction traveled down to my home town of Toledo.
This type of shit provided the sparks.
I disdain that type of social unrest, yet it is sad that police of all types can be so violent with so little consequence.
Calming Influence
@kay:
Hey, it’s a business opportunity!
“How to Safely Interact With the Police – a Three Day Course”.
Syllabus:
Day One: How Not to Look Black or Brown.
Day Two: Casual Wear Body Armor: Essential, or Fashion Statement?
Day Three: How to Scrape and Bow Without Losing ALL Your Self-Esteem.
mclaren
Two Iraq veterans who left the military after being charged with torturing and murdering Iraqi prisoners are now running for congress basing their election campaigns on their experience torturing and murdering prisoners — “attracting rock-star adulation from conservatives nationwide in the process.”
Source: The Daily Beast, “The New Jack Bauer Republicans.”
That police officer who shot the 7-year-old girl has a bright political future. He can run for congress using that as the basis of his campaign in 2012.
Meanwhile, police to deploy spy drones in Texas.
Just wait till they start arming those domestic spy drones with long-range weapons…
rachel
@daveinboca: Ah, this guy: yet another former commenter at Moderate Voice that I don’t miss hearing from. I don’t think I ever saw a comment of his that wasn’t both hateful and deeply stupid over there, and now he’s gone even further downhill.
Xenos
What sort of asshole admits living in Boca, anyway? You have to search long and hard to find a more shallow, materialistic, and spiritually dead place.
brantl
@daveinboca: Dear dipshit daveinboca, the guy was found in a separate apartment, that is a separate address with separate entrance. In other words, THEY WERE IN THE WRONG PLACE, WHEN THEY SHOT THIS LITTLE KID.
I hope that I said that slowly enough for you to get it, dumbass.
Terrell
@Phoenician in a time of Romans:
Look, liberal pussies – would you rather that police burst into people’s homes throwing REAL grenades and DELIBERATELY shooting householders in the neck and head area?
I wonder how the HELL you would feel if this was your fricking house?! And do you really think it is a good thing that our police is just slightly better behaved than the Gestapo? What an ass comment of yours.
And what the hell does this have to do with liberals vs conservatives. I thought conservatives were against big abusive government, which is EXACTLY what this was.
Terrell
@El Cid:
No comments about how such things are inevitable in the stress and confusion of Baghdad Detroit
You are comparing Baghdad to Detroit. Talk about apples and oranges.
kay
@brantl:
Why does it matter, anyway? The whole point of picking up the suspect in the shooting was an imminent risk. It’s why they got an extraordinary circumstances warrant. It doesn’t mean ” license to go completely insane and lose all control of the situation”.
They failed, miserably. If they can’t pick up a murder suspect without leaving a dead 7 year old, they failed.
We’re not weighing the good with the bad here. If there’s a way to do this without so much risk, and there is, that’s the one and only way.
Why are they putting people in such danger? Who decided that meeting the objective was worth the possibility of an outcome like this? There are 15 different ways this could have gone horribly wrong. What if the suspect was in the unit with the 7 year old? What happens then?
redoubt
@Calming Influence: To wit: Public Service Announcement from Chris Rock.
El Cid
@kay: Vengeance against a murder suspect is worth any number of deaths in his capture.
kay
@El Cid:
They had gathered enough information to go to the prosecutor and then the magistrate, but no one in that whole chain of officialdom wondered “what about the other people that live there? Is this dramatic entry worth the risk to them?” They couldn’t take 5 minutes and determine who lived in the house? The neighbors say there are toys in the yard.
Since this massive show of force doesn’t make the cops any safer, and puts the public at grave risk, I have to conclude there is some other reason they’re using these paramilitary tactics. The onus is on them to explain why this decision was made. They had other options.
From Both Sides
@kay:
Like I said earlier, the judge may not even have known. it was a multi-unit address – you know, the urgency of the moment and all that…
Corner Stone
The only possible explanation is that the suspect had a website, or they were afraid he might be creating one.
celticdragonchick
@Calming Influence:
I could arrange that…heh!
I just bought a 2nd Short land Pattern “BrownBess” musket from Loyalist Arms two months ago and I very pleased with it.
I am thinking of getting a blunderbuss next year. ;)
celticdragonchick
@Terrell:
Because some idiots insist on making everything fit onto their grievance based culture war world view.
There are some fascinating anthropology papers begging to be written about this.
celticdragonchick
I just found Daveinboca’s blog.
No commenters at all, from what I can see. The cat he is holding in the picture is impressive, though.
http://daveinboca.blogspot.com/
Whatever it is that makes him write for nobody at all, he does seem to be very very very very very earnest about it.
And humorless.
ksmiami
End the fetishism with military crap, end the drug war and massively massively train and interview any ffer who wants to be a cop. I would venture that 75% of them are normal, but the 25% who aren’t are really really psycho, including my brother-in-law who was involved in the rampart scandal. It was all a us-or-them mentality, not trying to serve the public interest.
DPirate
It’s coming soon to a theatre near you.
I want my Garrity and eat it too!
Comrade Kevin
@celticdragonchick: HA HA! I love this headline: “Ueber-Left Mole Ambinder Shrieks: Are Conservatives Mad?”
celticdragonchick
@Comrade Kevin:
LOL!
The guy is one giant heap of festering rage against “libtards”.
How in the hell does anybody stand to spend any time around him? Maybe his blog is some form of anger therapy so he can vent and then actually have civil conversations with people who may disagree with him without the experience turning into a brawl.
tenkindsofgrumpy
@kay: This is so correct.@celticdragonchick: And there is something zenlike in your reply. Just perfect.