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  1. 1.

    Maude

    Someone has got to come up with a name for the shrill ones at their safe keyboards.
    BTW the pix, I wouldn’t be caught dead in what she is wearing.

  2. 2.

    SiubhanDuinne

    I was wishing for an Open Thread, but I guess that is not to be. So I’ll just share a weird moment I had about 20 minutes ago:

    Watching Keith on MSNBC, a commercial came on for CiaIis, and I swear to the FSM I watched that and thought to myself “However did *that* get past the WP spam filter?”

    D’ya think I’ve been spending too much time in BJ?? Maybe? Ya think?

  3. 3.

    BombIranForChrist

    As a liberal navel gazing sort, this kind of thing makes me depressed about myself.

    How many hardcore liberals are there in the country? 30% of the population? If we, just the liberalz, would give up our cars and drive in to work on green clouds of Super Skunk, we could actually do an enormous amount to cut back on our reliance on oil and help save the earth to boot.

    But we don’t. I am a liberal, but I have a 20 minute commute every day (each way). I am part of the problem.

    It’s true.

    I do tend to vote politicians out of office who support off-shore drilling, and I am right to do so, but it is also true that this a pitiful small contribution to the problem at hand.

    Ok, back to the delusion.

  6. 6.

    Guster

    That is a great rant. And it’s a neat trick how nuttintobeedun is the new hoocoodanode.

    Maybe, there’s nothing to be done about this disaster. That doesn’t mean there’s nothing to be done.

    I read a comments section somewhere that contained a few good ideas, actually. If only they were solicited in good faith …

  7. 7.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    Maybe Al will appreciate us breeders a little more when my kids are paying his social security.

  8. 8.

    KCinDC

    I have no ideas for how to stop the leak, but I do wonder if BP really has the proper incentives for going all out to cap it. Maybe I’m missing something, but as far as I can see they have a $75 million cap on what they’ll have to pay for the disaster. Perhaps it’ll be raised, leading to legal battles about whether that can be done retroactively, but even if the GOP and ConservaDems allow that, whatever the limit will be has already be long surpassed by this point. And yes, BP’s reputation is shot but that’s also now water under the bridge, and they’ll be changing their name and rehabilitating their image regardless of whether they solve the problem now or in a few months.

    Given that, is there really any reason for them to do anything that will actually prevent them from getting the oil, just to save another few Valdezes worth from gushing out into the gulf? Seems to me that there’s a huge benefit to diddling around until that relief well can be finished, so that nothing gets in the way of harvesting the oil.

    Is there a flaw in my analysis?

  9. 9.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @jeffreyw:

    @SiubhanDuinne:Here’s a puppy for ya

    WANT!! W. A. N. T. !!

    (Not that it’s anything close to mmmfood, but WANT anyhow!)

  11. 11.

    scav

    We are the Folk Song Army

    If you feel dissatisfaction
    Strum your frustrations away
    Some people may prefer action
    But give me a folk song any old day

    . . .

    So join in the Folk Song Army
    Guitars are the weapons we bring
    To the fight against poverty, war, and injustice
    Ready, aim, sing

    <br
    s/folk song/screeching/g

  12. 12.

    Mike Kay

    what does this place attract so many firebaggers and why are they so thin skinned?

    You would think the firebaggers would be busy burning Pelosi in effigy (over at their crap sites that not to long ago told us, Edwards was god) to stop by here or anywhere else.

    How is it they can dish it out, but they freak out the minute Cole or someone like Giordano make the slightest mockery?

  13. 13.

    Keith G

    Oh my god Cole. You want to do this again?

    Ok I’ll start.

    Tim, jl, Zifnab, Citizen Allen y’all are wankers.

    Mike Kay, your turn.

  14. 14.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @jeffreyw #10: OMG it’s gasm time. That looks *SO* good!

    Conclusion: Puppies are cuter than mmmfood. Mmmfood is tastier than puppies.

  16. 16.

    Halteclere

    On my American Airlines (Oh how I wish Southwest flew direct) flight today from Dallas to Miami my plane went over the gulf. I saw the rust-red ribbon of oil in the water running from the western horizon to underneath the plane (I was seated next to the window on the right side). Behind the red ribbon the color of the water slightly changed, including a huge crescent to the south where the water had a different sheen.

    My plan also flew over what I assume is the point on the surface of the water over the well, for there were 20 ~ 30 ships and boats gathered around a specific spot on the water, including a large tanker-ish ship that appeared to have a flame and smoke coming out of the top of it much like a refinery flame.

    Imagine seeing all of this from 30,000+ feet in the air.

  17. 17.

    Keith G

    @KCinDC:

    Maybe I’m missing something, but as far as I can see they have a $75 million cap on what they’ll have to pay for the disaster.

    AFAIK, that cap is only for damages paid to the feds and not to the states. Also aren’t the cap voided if criminal negligence is proven?

  18. 18.

    Mike Kay

    That said, as a longtime vocal opponent of off shore oil drilling, and proponent of renewable energy, I wish to publicly disassociate myself from all the newly concerned voices screaming at the top of their lungs that the government must “do something” if they don’t come with concrete suggestions for what exactly can be done. They do not represent me and please don’t ever confuse me with them, okay?

    Without an easy solution in sight, and with the knowledge sinking in of just how harmful this oil gusher will be to the Gulf of Mexico, its shores, its fishing and tourism and quality of life, a lot of people seem to be screaming that somebody should yell louder and point their fingers harder.

    This is why I call them neurotic. It’s true. I’ve met alot of the handwringers over the years, woody allen should make a black & white documentary about them. And this is why I won’t log on GOS – who needs to 24/7 group analysis freak out stemming from their parents ignoring them during childhood.

  19. 19.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @scav: Empirically? I don’t. I can only tell you that given the choice of Alfredo sauce and damp furry dog that’s probably been rolling around in old skunk, fresh shit, and middle-aged garbage, it’s not a tough call.

    +2

  22. 22.

    Emma

    I don’t think BP wants this to continue. It’s not only the federal fines, they also have to deal with state and civil suits. But more to the point, they risk that people will be so outraged that even BP’s pet legislators will not be able to stem the tide and some fairly draconian legislation will be enacted.

    The question is whether there is any technology that can end this right now. From the comments I have seen from people who are much better informed than I am, I’m not exactly optimistic.

  23. 23.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @halteclere: Wow, what an experience! Any chance you took pictures out the plane window?

    And I’d be very interested to know if the pilot made mention of the view from starboard?

  26. 26.

    scav

    @SiubhanDuinne: well, theory definitely serves some purposes rather well. Although now I’m just vastly amused by your list of assumed characteristics of a very cute puppy.

  27. 27.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @tattoosydney: Get in line, mister, I was there first.

    (Too cute, yeah.)

  28. 28.

    Yutsano

    @Tattoosydney: My mom would A) melt and B) snatch that cutie up so fast it’d make your head spin. Then deal with the consequences of bringing another damn dog home with my father. Which would last all of five minutes before he’d start cooing over the little ball of fluff as well. My parents are strange folks sometimes.

    Come stai mi amici? Took the IRS test this afternoon high as a kite, did pretty well considering.

  29. 29.

    tom p

    he said what I have been wanting to say for a month now, only a whole lot better, and from a position far better than mine.

  32. 32.

    BethanyAnne

    That’s Rev. Korda of the Church of Euthanasia. I’ll linky, but you won’t likey.
    http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/index.html
    Looks like she hasn’t updated the site in like 6 years. I remember CoE from when they would go to abortion clinics that were being targeted by Operation Rescue. They showed up as an explictly pro-abortion group. No one wanted to be associated with them, and their presence tended to piss most everyone off. Or maybe it was the penis waterguns they had…

  33. 33.

    BethanyAnne

    more moderation! What’d I do? Is the phrase “penis watergun” verboten?

  34. 34.

    BethanyAnne

    I think it’s the waterguns shaped like boyparts that set off the moderation filter… Posting again to test the theory!

  35. 35.

    Yutsano

    @Keith G: I am fortunate to have gone to a guy who’s been doing this for years. He was even kind enough to call me this afternoon just to check up on me (him personally, not his staff) so that was a nice touch as well. Now I’m just dealing with the Vicodin highs and the recovery pain. I don’t think I’m going to work this week. If they don’t like it fuck em.

  36. 36.

    Halteclere

    @SiubhanDuinne: Nah, the pilot didn’t say anything. Not may people I saw noticed – everyone seemed engrossed in the in-flight movie Invictus (which I enjoyed).

    I did wish I had a camera handy with a decent zoom, but knew that my phone camera wouldn’t capture anything worth seeing.

    I also couldn’t tell if barge traffic on the Mississippi near New Orleans was stopped, or if it was just heavy barge traffic, but there seemed to be a lot of barges on the banks of the river. I flew into New Orleans during the oil tanker spill at the mouth of the Mississippi a couple years ago (when a barge hit a tanker), which did stop barge traffic. The number of barges sitting on the side of the river this time didn’t seem to be as bad as then. But will barge traffic along the Mississippi stop when more oil fills the mouth of the Mississippi?

  37. 37.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Yutsano #33:

    *If they don’t like it fuck em.*

    This deserves its own tag.

  38. 38.

    de stijl

    I propose a corollary to the Tinkerbell Strategy in the BJ Lexicon – the Peter Pan(ic) Strategy:

    I do believe in well-capping fairies.

    Yell louder.

  41. 41.

    KCinDC

    @Keith G and @Emma, my assumptions are:

    1. If there’s a cap on cleanup costs and damages, it’s long been exceeded. If there’s no cap, the ultimate cost will drive BP into bankruptcy even if the oil stops spewing tonight. Either way, there’s no urgency in terms of cost to plug it now, because now or later produces the same result.

    2. If the well is plugged, then BP isn’t going to be allowed to open it up again and get the oil. If there’s a relief well a month or two from now, then they will be able to get it. So there’s a lot of revenue that seems to depend on *not* plugging it now.

    But I’m not expert on the situation, so my assumptions may be way off. If so, it would be good to know.

  42. 42.

    BethanyAnne

    I’ma try to break my comment outta moderation…

    That photo is Rev. Korda of the Church of Euthanasia. I’ll linky, but you won’t likey.
    http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/index.html
    Looks like she hasn’t updated the site in like 6 years. I remember CoE from when they would go to abortion clinics that were being targeted by Operation Rescue. They showed up as an explictly pro-abortion group. No one wanted to be associated with them, and their presence tended to piss most everyone off. Or maybe it was the waterguns shaped like boyparts they had…

  43. 43.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Halteclere #34: I’m not sure I ever saw the aftermath of a spill, but I’ve certainly flown over the Mississippi and seen a LOT of barges. Too bad not more people on your flight today were interested. Still, good on you for noticing. Thanks for telling us what you saw.

    Beddy-bye for me, y’all. I have to hit the road for Charleston at oh-dark-thirty.

  45. 45.

    Yutsano

    @SiubhanDuinne: Sounds like they all had their SEP shields on. (If y’all don’t get that. I’ll explain later, but your hint is Douglas Adams.) It’s amazing how people can just tune out the world around them for the latest distraction that’s right in front of them. Puppehs do not qualify under this however.

  46. 46.

    Nick

    @Mike Kay:

    what does this place attract so many firebaggers and why are they so thin skinned?

    Jane Hamsher is on a mission to pretend she’s relevant and maybe if she sends enough people (or one person with 15 different names) people will think she matters.

  47. 47.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Yutsano #43: I always assume, whenever I don’t immediately get a reference, that it’s going to have something to do with Douglas Adams. Saves time.

  48. 48.

    Yutsano

    @SiubhanDuinne: There’s some sort of universal law here, but I don’t think I’m qualified to bring it to its full fruition. I will leave that to folks smarter than myself to bring it to its full glory.

  49. 49.

    Jody

    Ya know, I ride my bike to work except in shitty weather (and this being LA, that doesn’t happen often), and I avoid plastics like the plague, and I still feel like shit about this whole thing. Because I’m not doing enough, and ninety percent of the rest of the country doesn’t give a fuck.

  52. 52.

    Jenn

    @KCinDC:

    Aside from the fact that I don’t think BP would want to keep this gusher gushing in an attempt to keep the well (not because I have any particular faith in their environmental bona fides, just that I really don’t think it makes any kind of business sense at all. They’re well aware of public opinion and the myriad ways this is costing them.), my understanding is that (1) there’s no way to rescue that well, it is far too badly damaged and (2) given they’re already drilling 2 relief wells to relieve the pressure on the original, what would be the point?

  54. 54.

    BR

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Maybe Al will appreciate us breeders a little more when my kids are paying his social security.

    Al lives in southern Mexico in a small village, and has been for over a decade, and seems to me he’ll be staying there.

  55. 55.

    KCinDC

    @Jenn, you’re probably right. Certainly if they’d been able to stop it much sooner they’d have preferred that. I’m just wondering now that it’s gone one for over a month how much *worse* public opinion of BP can really get. I’d think anyone they haven’t lost at this point will stick with them forever.

    I guess I’m misunderstanding the relief wells. Don’t they produce oil — oil that BP will sell? And if they’re able to plug the well tomorrow and stop the oil, then are they going to continue drilling the relief wells anyway?

  56. 56.

    burnspbesq

    @Yutsano:

    “Took the IRS test this afternoon high as a kite, did pretty well considering.”

    I want you on all my clients’ audits.

  57. 57.

    Yutsano

    @burnspbesq: ROTFL. I was just waiting for you to comment on that little factoid. Depending upon how tough they grade the test (I really only fumbled in two places) I may or may not get a further response in 30 days. Love the long pause after submitting the test, especially after their insistence that it had to be done by Friday at midnight. There may be some subtlety that I’m missing in their hiring process. Personally, I think I’m through the roughest part. I interview very well, plus I didn’t lie on my application. so life might just work out here.

  58. 58.

    Leonard Stiltskin

    All you have to do is go to a couple of wingnut sites to figure out how to stop the oil leak. Dontcha know that at any time, if he wanted to, Obambi could send military submarines to the gulf to cap the oil leak. He’s not because, well, just because…

  59. 59.

    burnspbesq

    @Yutsano:

    Between FYE 9/30/09 and FYE 9/30/10, the Service is supposed to be hiring 1,500 new international examiners and economists. IE is traditionally a move-up job for domestic agents who have gotten good evaluations, so your chances to get hired as an agent are probably decent, especially if you are willing to relocate to an under-resourced area, like Portland or Salt Lake City. Living on GS-11 Step 1 in a high cost of living area is no picnic.

  60. 60.

    D-Chance.

    This Nikki Haley thing in Carolina is beginning to smell rotten. An obscure blogger with a scandalous charge who’s now milking his 15 minutes down to the millisecond. I don’t know… there’s too much eagerness, too much “Hey, I’ve got a story to sell blog!” self-congratulatory shit going on for comfort.

    Glad to see BJ hasn’t gone wall-to-RaPaulian-wall with it… yet.

  61. 61.

    maddie

    I love ya Cole, but that Giordano rant was ridiculous. I really hate that “breeder guilt” crap (which I also hear from many feminists and it pisses me off, but I suppose I mistakenly assumed the feminist movement was about giving women control of and choices in their lives). We liberals are supposed to decry efforts like China’s one-child policy, but flagellate ourselves because we have children. Whatever. People reproduce…deal with it.

    And as someone who has worked on energy policy for almost 20 years, and has worked on trying to figure out a way to deal with climate change for the past 15 years, let me say this: If Giordano or anyone else wants to go on some righteous rant about US energy consumption, could they please please pretty please take 30 seconds to consult one of EIA’s many fine energy spreadsheets or graphs and figure out how we actually consume energy in this country. Note: We DO NOT use oil to generate electricity in this country. I could leave my damn computer, printer, tv, AC, etc. on 24/7 and it would not make one whit of difference in our oil consumption. Less than 3 percent of our oil consumption goes to electricity generation, and less than 3% of our electricity is generated by oil.

    And, to paraphrase our host, the next jackass who says we need to build nuclear power plants to reduce our dependence on oil is going to get punched in the neck. Put in place regulations to convert our vehicle fleet to electricity, and then talk to me about nuclear power plants.

  62. 62.

    Yutsano

    @burnspbesq: Cost of living in Portland is rather easy to manage if you don’t mind a short commute, which I don’t. Vancouver is right over the river and is just as livable at about half the costs of Portland proper. The freeways there are murder, but other than that CoL in Portland is a manageable beast. Plus there’s Zell’s in the Bellflower district, possibly the most delicious breakfast place I’ve ever eaten at. I have considered Portland as a possible relocation place, however the specific job I applied for is in Seattle. Plus I don’t have a 16 year old eating up a portion of my income, so that helps. Have you two reached a truce on the license/car issue BTW?

    Also way OT: anyone heard from Max lately? Hopefully the move to Camas wasn’t too stressful.

  63. 63.

    scav

    note to self. breeders may miss the joke / point, unlike people taking sledgehammers to cars and bumper stickers and those talking to themselves in darkened bathrooms.

  64. 64.

    AhabTRuler

    @KCinDC: The short answer is that the reliefs wells are not meant to ever produce oil; they solely exist to introduce heavy mud into the blown-out well. Following that, both well would be permanently plugged & abandoned.

  68. 68.

    handy

    @Yutsano:

    my favorite so far is a tagent discussion in the comments where brave left-wing critic of Obama dark daze insists the Feds used hellfire missiles to take out Waco, and then when pressed to give links just keeps saying crazy junk like “what so now you’re saying the compound didn’t burn?! LIAR!!”

    Funny stuff.

  69. 69.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @BR: You can collect social security if you live abroad in all but a handful of countries. Mexico is not one of those countries.

  70. 70.

    Yutsano

    @handy: If you really want to make a PUMA’s head asplode, mention the rather inconvenient truth that before she met Bill Hillary was a Goldwater Girl. The sputtering and liar accusations just fly after you mention that, even though she herself has admitted she was much more right-wing when she was younger. Definitely worth the price of admission there.

  71. 71.

    Midnight Marauder

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    If they don’t like it fuck em.

    __
    This deserves its own tag.

    I would like to co-sign to this. As a great man once said:

    “Why? ‘Cause fuck ’em, that’s why.”

  72. 72.

    Mnemosyne

    Since there’s no open thread, would anyone in the Los Angeles area like to adopt a puppeh? I met this pretty girl today at a pet fair at work, but we have three cats and a small apartment.

    She’s already bigger than she is in these pictures (the rescue people said she was about 6 months old) and super-friendly. Plus she has an awesome curly tail like Lily.

  73. 73.

    Yutsano

    @Midnight Marauder: I started a meme. I haz a warm fuzzy feeling. This could also be caused by the Vicodin however.

    @Mnemosyne: I have a friend in Pasadena who might just melt at that sweet face. She has a great Dane who does get lonely during the day, maybe I’ll suggest it to her.

  75. 75.

    Mike Kay

    @handy: Dkos = navel gazing central. The worlds largest continuous 24/7 online group therapy session for neurotic naderites. If only kos passed out thorazine.

  76. 76.

    handy

    @Mike Kay:

    I stopped going there for a long time, some time around the primaries when the Edwards nutters were in full effect. I’ve only recently gone back there and by all appearances (aside from Jed and a few of the FPers) the crazy hasn’t stopped.

  77. 77.

    Mnemosyne

    @Yutsano:

    Yay! It would be awfully funny to see a Great Dane alongside a tiny terrier/chihuahua mix, but I could see a mellow Great Dane enjoying having a tireless terrier as its new best buddy.

    I of course wanted to take her home on the spot, but … terrier. Small apartment. Three cats. I’m pretty sure that’s a recipe for disaster.

  78. 78.

    Yutsano

    @Mnemosyne: The Dane is a HUGE spoiled baby. She tries to fit the poor puppeh into her Hyundai all the time. She can’t have him in there and drive at the same time! I imagine she’d love her, but odds are she’d have to get a bigger car. Or a convertible. Of course if Jerry Brown wins she might end up in a position in the new administration, she’s very well connected in Democratic politics down there.

  79. 79.

    JMY

    Giordano has a point, and it is something that I have thought of throughout this whole outrage. But many will ignore the point he’s trying to make because they hate when people tell them their shit actually does stink.

  80. 80.

    FlipYrWhig

    I wonder how the firebagging Kos krew would react to a diagnosis of a mysterious illness. “Don’t tell me you don’t know what it is! Get in there and start cutting things out! Or just give me a few different pills and I’ll take ’em all at once! Just DO something, dammit!”

  81. 81.

    FlipYrWhig

    @JMY: The thing I’ve grown to like about Giordano is that he is willing to admit that there are things he doesn’t know, and that small progress is still progress. WAY too little of that on the major ProgBlogs.

  82. 82.

    Mnemosyne

    @Yutsano:

    BTW, watch out for the Vicodin. It works great for me for about 36 hours, and then the uncontrollable vomiting starts. It was especially fun to find out I was prone to that particular side effect at 5 am two days after my knee surgery.

    Oddly, I have the same reaction to naproxen sodium (Aleve), which as far as I know is completely unrelated.

  83. 83.

    Yutsano

    @Mnemosyne: I actually do just fine on it for periods as long as 10 days. I just get worried about getting a little too uhh used to it.

  84. 84.

    cat48

    I adore this column as it expresses my feelings exactlyabout all the continual screaming. Poor Al had written about his community organizer comrade the day before finally getting a “Media Vacation.” That column was priceless too. No it looks like O will continue his hazing now that Al thought he had endured quite well. I know I’m an Obot, but I have a lot of sympathy for the shit O continually faces…….just one damn thing after another just when the media had discovered that he had gotten quite a bit done in spite of everyone!

  85. 85.

    Mike Kay

    @FlipYrWhig: …and if the hospital doesn’t figure it out, SEIZE THEIR ASSETS AND THROW THE DOCTORS IN JAIL!

    funny how they toss civil liberties out the window when it concerns their issue. they’re a half a step away from calling for waterboarding of the BP crew.

  87. 87.

    Terrell

    @Leonard Stiltskin:

    All you have to do is go to a couple of wingnut sites to figure out how to stop the oil leak. Dontcha know that at any time, if he wanted to, Obambi could send military submarines to the gulf to cap the oil leak. He’s not because, well, just because…

    Go to dailykos and you will have the same insane comments as well. I swear, these days there is little to no difference between the far right and the far left.

  88. 88.

    Terrell

    @JMY:

    Giordano has a point, and it is something that I have thought of throughout this whole outrage. But many will ignore the point he’s trying to make because they hate when people tell them their shit actually does stink.

    He certainly does. If there was less demand for oil there would be less oil drilling.

    Whenever someone buys a car, they have a choice; buy an SUV or a car that uses less gas. It is beyond me why people who claim that they are progressives refuses to hold consumers responsible just like they are holding big oil responsible.

  89. 89.

    gurglebleg

    I used to have a “Save the Planet, Kill Yourself” bumper sticker on an old car. I can’t count how many offended people scream at me in offense while stopped at a traffic light. Even had a mother get out of her SUV and walk over to the driver’s side car window to yell. Roll up the window and smile…

    “NO! YOU KILL YOURSELF!”

    hehehehehe

  90. 90.

    WereBear

    @Mnemosyne: Yes, a terrier with three cats in a small apartment would be a disaster. That’s probably the worst type of dog to consider having with cats.

    In fact, the whole shelter scandal with Ellen Degeneres started with a shelter letting her, a multiple cat owner, bring home a terrier, and she couldn’t cope. I thought the shelter screwed up.

    Not that it can’t work; it just probably won’t in a situation with an unskilled owner who works crazy hours.

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