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Deep thought

by DougJ|  June 23, 20102:12 pm| 37 Comments

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If Obama had been this tough with Tony Hayward, the spill would have been stopped weeks ago.

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  1. 1.

    Sly

    June 23, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Nothing fixes an oil spill faster than a pair of pliers and a blow torch.

  2. 2.

    CJ

    June 23, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Someone needs to go down there and FIX IT! FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT!

  3. 3.

    DougJ

    June 23, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    @Sly:

    And some hard pipe-hitting motherfuckers.

  4. 4.

    cleek

    June 23, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    beat that strawman! beat him good!

  5. 5.

    Radon Chong

    June 23, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Can I be the first to say it? MCCHRYSTAL FOR PRESIDENT!

  6. 6.

    MattR

    June 23, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Hope all our Canadian friends survived the recent shaking without incident.

  7. 7.

    cyntax

    June 23, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    @CJ:

    One of my favorite Fryisms, looking forward to the new episodes.

  8. 8.

    Punchy

    June 23, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Federal law, schmederal law

  9. 9.

    PeakVT

    June 23, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    OT: Did anyone in NY/VT feel the earthquake in Ontario at about 1:42? The shaking lasted about 20-25 seconds in Burlington. First quake I’ve ever felt.

  10. 10.

    CT Voter

    June 23, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Not only would it already have been plugged, but the oil would have flowed backwards into the well.

    If Obama can’t stand up to a gushing plume of oil, how will he stand up to terrorists?

  11. 11.

    LarsThorwald

    June 23, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    I hope you and your little hippy friends are happy, because today your President — who, by the way, is Kenyan and smokes cigarettes — made America unsafe against the invading Afghan hordes.

    You fucking people….

  12. 12.

    Corner Stone

    June 23, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    If you prick a strawman, does it not bleed?
    if you tickle it, does it not laugh? if you poison
    it, does it not die?

    No, obviously a useful strawman never dies at BJ.

  13. 13.

    NonyNony

    June 23, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    @LarsThorwald:

    Why do you hate General Petraeus?

  14. 14.

    Zifnab

    June 23, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Who the hell does Barack Obama think he is, anyway? How dare he extort a resignation out of General McChrystal! This isn’t how free markets work at all.

  15. 15.

    slag

    June 23, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    @LarsThorwald: I’ll admit that smoking thing does piss me off. I at least hope he’s not smoking around gushing oil wells. Or alcohol-soaked former generals. That shit’s dangerous.

  16. 16.

    ricky

    June 23, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    If Obama had been this tough with Hayward and McChrystal year ago a lot of people who are not alive might be.

  17. 17.

    mistermix

    June 23, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    @PeakVT: I did, in Rochester NY. It was apparently centered a bit north of Ottawa. Perhaps Shatner did get the Governor-General job?

    Anyway, you can report what you felt to the USGS here:

    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/dyfi/events/us/2010xwa7/us/index.html

  18. 18.

    ricky

    June 23, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    I just hope General Betrayus remembers Robert E. Lee turned Lincoln down.

  19. 19.

    eponymous

    June 23, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    @PeakVT:

    Felt it here in Columbus, OH….

  20. 20.

    lamh31

    June 23, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    So Obama fires McChrystal and appoints Petraus. Forget about the policy or a minute, this is some great “politics” right here. By appointing Petraus, the Prez has essentially neutralized GOP efforts to at least criticize the replacement and limits their ability to get much traction over McChrystal’s firing.

  21. 21.

    Zifnab

    June 23, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    @ricky: Being tough with the Generals =/= Leaving Iraq or Afghanistan.

    If anything, firing these guys is just going to make the whole draw down take longer. Now we’re going to need a new commander, a new plan, and a new chance for said commander to “make a difference” and blah blah blah.

    The only people who can get us out of the war at this point are Obama – by ordering the troops out – or by Congress – if they were to try and defund the war effort. Congress is in no rush, so that means it’s all on Obama’s head. A change of generals doesn’t really change anything.

  22. 22.

    Angelos

    June 23, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    One of my Facebook “friends” contends that the government could fix it, but isn’t so Obama’s delayed response looks less egregious.

    “BP isn’t fixing the leak because they can’t. The US govt could, but they’re not trying. I don’t know how to spell it out simpler than that.”

    You’re right, dude, that is pretty “simple.”

  23. 23.

    South of I-10

    June 23, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Abita sends out an SOS. Drink beer, help the people on the coast. It has to be better than Bud Light Lime.

  24. 24.

    geg6

    June 23, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    @lamh31:

    Yup, that’s how I see it. He’s headed the asshole chorus off at the pass. Not to mention that Petraeus was ol’ Stanley’s biggest cheerleader, so now he’s gotta clean up after his tarnished golden boy.

  25. 25.

    Mark S.

    June 23, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    OT- Jesus, there is no tiebreak in the fifth set of Wimbledon, and these guys are going waaay past the distance: 48-48.

  26. 26.

    Bulworth

    June 23, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    By appointing Petraus, the Prez has essentially neutralized GOP efforts to at least criticize the replacement and limits their ability to get much traction over McChrystal’s firing.

    Obama could replac McCrystal with Curtis LeMay and there is no way that would neutralize the reichwing’s criticism.

  27. 27.

    geg6

    June 23, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    @Zifnab:

    If anything, firing these guys is just going to make the whole draw down take longer. Now we’re going to need a new commander, a new plan, and a new chance for said commander to “make a difference” and blah blah blah.

    Why? I simply don’t see that, especially as it’s Petraeus taking over. Petraeus was in on the planning for the COIN in Afghanistan. Petraeus had basically signed onto the administration’s timeline for drawdown there (with only the very slightest of differences).

    I don’t follow how your scenario plays out under those conditions. Perhaps with a brand new guy who has had no input into the planning and operations there, but not with Petraeus in charge.

  28. 28.

    Mnemosyne

    June 23, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    @South of I-10:

    I’ll have to keep an eye out for that, because G loves Abita. Right now I am The Best Wife Ever because I brought a variety 12-pack of Abita home from World Market. And I don’t like beer, so he knows it’s all for him. :-)

  29. 29.

    Zifnab25

    June 23, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Did not see Petraeus was taking over. That would be different.

  30. 30.

    Mnemosyne

    June 23, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    @geg6:

    It may be the Obot in me, but putting Petraeus in charge of both areas makes me hope that Obama actually does want to stick to the withdrawal timeline that was set up and not let the war(s) get dragged out with a promise from the generals that just one more Friedman Unit will, like, totally fix everything.

  31. 31.

    Disco

    June 23, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Obama does not employ Tony Hayward. Invalid analogy.

  32. 32.

    lamh31

    June 23, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    @Bulworth

    No it will not completely stop the crazy, but it will take some really inane pretzel twisting of the logic to try and get some traction on it outside of wingut circle.

  33. 33.

    sherifffruitfly

    June 23, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Because everybody knows that nothing stops oil faster than being tough.

    Gawd we’re a fucking stupid country.

  34. 34.

    Island in Alabama

    June 23, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    @slag:

    Thanks to hydraulic fracking, it’s getting so we can’t even smoke around our tap water. What isn’t dangerously flammable these days?

  35. 35.

    skippy

    June 23, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    dougj, knowing your penchant for clever headlines, i direct you to mine concerning the general’s inability to talk his way out of the rolling stone mess: mcchrystal blew persuasion.

  36. 36.

    DougJ

    June 23, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    @skippy:

    I like it.

  37. 37.

    Elie

    June 23, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    I dunno — not to be a contrarian, but does anyone actually believe that we are in Afghanistan to prevent their Taliban from mistreating women and other citizens? Really?

    This has been discussed many times elsewhere and in B-J. We are in Afghanistan to keep the lid on the pot in Pakistan — nuclear, unstable, terror exporting, India hating, US hating Pakistan. We cannot invadate Pakistan. The next best thing is to squat next door. Do you really think we are not going to be doing that soon? Not saying that we need the troop strength that we have now to do that, but the only reason we care at all about the stability of Afghanistan is so that we are not harrassed while we are doing what we are actually there for.

    I am happy to hear if folks think that I am wrong and why (I actually am not happy to be correct about this)… no easy out for this policy… I don’t have visions of Americans pulling out leaving Afghanistan to not only Taliban but incursions of Indian troops (already suspected). Do you?

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