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Robert Byrd RIP

by DougJ|  June 28, 20105:40 am| 59 Comments

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  1. 1.

    PeakVT

    June 28, 2010 at 5:48 am

    RIP (despite the hypocritical wingnut hate fest starting in 3… 2… 1…).

  2. 2.

    joeyess

    June 28, 2010 at 6:02 am

    I have $50 that says Erick Son of Erick Erickson makes some crass, tasteless and downright nasty comment on his little blog today.

    Right after he peels his crusty pajamas bottoms out of the crack of his fat ass.

  3. 3.

    Napoleon

    June 28, 2010 at 6:06 am

    RIP Sen Byrd.

    WV vacancy law:

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/06/senator-byrd-is-ill-note-on-west.html

  4. 4.

    valdivia

    June 28, 2010 at 6:07 am

    RIP

  5. 5.

    Rod Majors

    June 28, 2010 at 6:11 am

    The wingnut-o-sphere will surely be focusing on the Klan angle and little else. Because you know, the liberals are the real racists.

  6. 6.

    cmorenc

    June 28, 2010 at 6:13 am

    @Napolean

    WV vacancy law:
    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com…..-west.html

    I believe the way this shakes out is that had Byrd lived past July 6th, the appointment of Byrd’s interim replacement selected by WVa Democratic Gov Joe Manchin would not have needed to undergo election until the general election in Nov 2012, but since he died before then, the interim replacement will have to run in the election in Nov 2010 (or more properly the seat will be up for grabs this coming November whether the interim replacement chooses to run in that election or not.)

  7. 7.

    bob h

    June 28, 2010 at 6:15 am

    It is gratifying that Byrd lived long enough for the big one-HCR.

  8. 8.

    Warren Terra

    June 28, 2010 at 6:18 am

    He was mostly an undistinguished porkbarrel Pol, a bit better than some other rural conservadems and much better than his contemporaries – but was damn eloquent on the Constitution in the Iraq debate.

  9. 9.

    geg6

    June 28, 2010 at 6:40 am

    RIP, Senator Byrd. He was a lesson to those who say a leopard cannot change its spots. A racist who learned empathy and compassion is a truly rare thing today, an example for us all in these reactionary times. And I can even forgive his pork barrel politics since his state has such entrenched poverty that pork was often required to keep the citzens going. I honor him for his beautifully old fashioned and eloquent defense of the Constitution during the debate over Iraq and for his taking on Big Coal at the very end of his life. West Virginia will mourn him with great sadness and I extend my sympathies to our blog host and his entire state. I considered him a good neighbor.

  10. 10.

    Lysana

    June 28, 2010 at 6:54 am

    He was a man who saw sensible change and changed with it instead of standing against it. A true liberal, in short. A gentleman and a fighter. The Senate and the country is poorer without him.

  11. 11.

    Comrade Javamanphil

    June 28, 2010 at 6:57 am

    @Rod Majors: They’ll find the time to say something mean and stupid about Byrd in amongst the Kagan is a socialist (LEZBO!) activist judge who wants to melt all your guns into sickles for the harvest.

  12. 12.

    Keith G

    June 28, 2010 at 6:58 am

    @cmorenc:

    As I said yesterday, accommodating his ego will end up being more costly than necessary.

    That’s some public service.

  13. 13.

    Keith G

    June 28, 2010 at 7:09 am

    BTW, Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s husband passed away this morning. My thoughts are with this great and most necessary woman.

  14. 14.

    TomG

    June 28, 2010 at 7:16 am

    I can’t think of anything good to say about this politician so…

  15. 15.

    MMM

    June 28, 2010 at 7:18 am

    The Constitution lost a friend.

  16. 16.

    PaulW

    June 28, 2010 at 7:27 am

    The worst thing I can say is that he stayed in too long. Byrd should have used his considerable patronage in West Virginia with all that pork to build up a better Democratic machine and promoted someone to his job 10 years ago.

    You can bet the Far Right wingnuts are going to make a big deal about Byrd having been in the Klueless Klucker Klans… even though it’s the Far Right that invite the KKK ’round to dinner nowadays.

    So who gets to be Third in line to the White House now?

  17. 17.

    TomG

    June 28, 2010 at 7:30 am

    okay, I spoke too soon. Some good things that Byrd did include opposing the creation of the DHS (for the right reasons), opposing the 2003 invasion of Iraq, getting a 67% approval rating from the ACLU in 2006, opposing the stupid Flag Desecration Act efforts, and opposing the Federal Marriage Amendment.

  18. 18.

    Maude

    June 28, 2010 at 7:37 am

    He was a senator before we had 50 states.
    Don’t think we’ll see one like him again.

  19. 19.

    harlana peppper

    June 28, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Byrd also said, in 2005,

    “ I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times… and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened. ”

    wiki

  20. 20.

    SciVo

    June 28, 2010 at 7:41 am

    You’re gonna die. Maybe not today. Could be tomorrow, though! For lots of reasons! Maybe not the day after that. Anyway, death comes to us all, sooner rather than later — unless you think a century is a long time, in which case your perspective is off. Robert Byrd did lots of things, some better than others, and I’m not very familiar with them. So, here’s where I honor not the man but rather his surviving kin and loved ones. Today, they lost someone they cared about, and that’s going to happen to everyone. A lot. I honor their sorrow and I can only hope that someday someone will feel the same way about my passing. I wish you all the best.

  21. 21.

    Bob Loblaw

    June 28, 2010 at 7:43 am

    @geg6:

    And I can even forgive his pork barrel politics since his state has such entrenched poverty that pork was often required to keep the citzens going.

    Have we considered that maybe these people shouldn’t all be living in West Virginia then?

  22. 22.

    Ash Can

    June 28, 2010 at 7:46 am

    @harlana peppper: Those are the words of a principled individual. May he rest.

  23. 23.

    AngusTheGodOfMeat

    June 28, 2010 at 7:47 am

    Remarkable career, remarkable man.

    RIP.

  24. 24.

    TR

    June 28, 2010 at 7:50 am

    The real tragedy here is that conservatives will no longer be able to respond to remarks about their current racism by sputtering that Byrd was in the Klan 70 years ago.

    First, they lost their ability to make Chappaquiddick jokes, and now this. It’s been a really tough year for them.

  25. 25.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 28, 2010 at 7:55 am

    The “ominous silence” speech makes up for a lot, IMHO.

  26. 26.

    PurpleGirl

    June 28, 2010 at 7:58 am

    We can never look into a person’s heart and soul and judge how real changes are. But, and it’s a real, big but, Robert Byrd shows that it is possible to change, to learn and to see life differently. And to then act on those changes. Flawed but human. May he rest in peace.

  27. 27.

    debit

    June 28, 2010 at 8:00 am

    I remember the speech he gave after Vick was indicted for dog fighting, how he was unashamedly emotional. I loved him for that.

  28. 28.

    Chyron HR

    June 28, 2010 at 8:01 am

    @TR:

    The real tragedy here is that conservatives will no longer be able to respond to remarks about their current racism by sputtering that Byrd was in the Klan 70 years ago.

    Wanna bet?

  29. 29.

    harlana peppper

    June 28, 2010 at 8:10 am

    @debit: I’m glad you reminded me of that, that was great

  30. 30.

    EconWatcher

    June 28, 2010 at 8:24 am

    During one of his statements of regret about his time in the Klan (which to my ear sounded sincere), he made the comment: “I have to live with this: No matter what I do with the rest of my life, my obituary will describe me as a former member of the Klan.”

    And so it does.

  31. 31.

    RedKitten

    June 28, 2010 at 8:31 am

    And I’m guessing that wingnuttia will use this and other blogs’ refusal to spit on Byrd’s grave as “proof” of how liberals are the real racists.

  32. 32.

    geg6

    June 28, 2010 at 8:36 am

    @Bob Loblaw:

    Yeah, because it’s so damn easy for those people of the hills to just pick it up and move to get jobs for which they aren’t qualified.

    Jeebus.

  33. 33.

    General Egali Tarian Stuck

    June 28, 2010 at 8:40 am

    @Bob Loblaw:

    Have we considered that maybe these people shouldn’t all be living in West Virginia then?

    This has to be one of the dumbest things ever said on this blog.

    RIP Senator Byrd.

  34. 34.

    mai naem

    June 28, 2010 at 8:47 am

    RIP Sen.Byrd. Can’t say much more than has already been said. Don’t forget the HCR vote when he yelled out his yea vote and said I am doing this for my friend Teddy. Decent human being .

  35. 35.

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko

    June 28, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Robert Byrd was proof that there is such a thing as redemption.

    For all *my* life, he was a defender of tolerance, and an enemy of white supremacy.

    He was a man who unabashedly loved the concept of our country, and yet understood that we continue to work toward “a more perfect union.”

    As for the conservative freak-out… well, fuck those guys, fuck ’em sideways, fuck ’em every fucking day of the fucking week.

    Rest in peace, Senator Byrd. We will continue the fight.

  36. 36.

    Bob Loblaw

    June 28, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Yes, let’s pretend that the state with the third lowest income per capita and least developed educational system in the nation has a bright fucking future ahead of it.

    States like WV should be hemorrhaging population. That they aren’t continues to speak towards the lack of labor mobility in this country, as well as the perpetuation of failed agricultural and energy policies that subsidize inefficient and anachronistic rural communities. West Virginia has no place in a 21st century America, and Robert Byrd shouldn’t be valorized for trying to spend the state out of the inevitable.

  37. 37.

    Honus

    June 28, 2010 at 8:56 am

    @geg6: And they’ve been doing just that for decades. West Virginia has been losing population since at least the 1950s. I know, I’m one.
    I can’t think of any project Byrd brought to West Virginia that was a waste or didn’t really belong there. Most things, like the FBI communications center, were things that just would have built anyway, somewhere else, that didn’t need the economic activity as much. And some things, like the Sugar Grove Naval Base, really couldn’t be anywhere else. So he didn’t waste the country’s money by helping out West Virginia, and it’s an unfair slur to say so.

  38. 38.

    General Egali Tarian Stuck

    June 28, 2010 at 8:57 am

    @Bob Loblaw:

    No one is valorizing Byrd for his pork barrel spending ways, but suggesting because a state is poor it has no place in the 21at century is offensive, in a Malkin kind of way.

  39. 39.

    Bob Loblaw

    June 28, 2010 at 9:03 am

    The world’s a cruel place, General.

  40. 40.

    General Egali Tarian Stuck

    June 28, 2010 at 9:05 am

    @Bob Loblaw: No doubt with folks like you in it.

  41. 41.

    eemom

    June 28, 2010 at 9:05 am

    @Keith G:

    RIP Mr. Ginsburg.

    “Most necessary woman” indeed. Well said.

    And if the Grim Reaper is still lingering in Washington, D.C. today, I do hope he pays a call on the former vice president.

  42. 42.

    debit

    June 28, 2010 at 9:09 am

    @Bob Loblaw: All the more reason to have compassion.

  43. 43.

    General Egali Tarian Stuck

    June 28, 2010 at 9:15 am

    @eemom:

    And if the Grim Reaper is still lingering in Washington, D.C. today, I do hope he pays a call on the former vice president.

    The former vice president IS the Grim Reaper. Maybe he will visit himself and do the right thing, for once in his miserable life.

  44. 44.

    geg6

    June 28, 2010 at 10:01 am

    @Honus:

    Well, I think that’s what I said. The pork he brought into the state was the good kind of pork, IMHO. The kind that actually benefits the citizens there. I’m a fan of that sort of thing.

    And although WVA has been losing population steadily (as has my own state just over the border), the idea that it is easy for people to leave and start over is ridiculous. Yeah, it can happen for the lucky duckies who are young with few ties to the state (with the exception of their families) and/or who have gotten an education that allows them to get the hell out. But many, many, many people in WVA cannot, realistically, just pick up and move somewhere else. Where the hell is a guy my age (over 50) who has never worked anywhere other than a coal mine supposed to go or what is he supposed to do for work, pray tell?

  45. 45.

    Gromit

    June 28, 2010 at 11:05 am

    @eemom:

    I despise Cheney as much as the next liberal, but wishing death on him only discredits those doing the wishing.

    Besides, every breath he draws is another chance for him to face the horror of what he has done to the soul of this nation. I’m not holding out hope, but neither am I anxious to foreclose the possibility.

  46. 46.

    General Egali Tarian Stuck

    June 28, 2010 at 11:10 am

    @Gromit:

    I despise Cheney as much as the next liberal, but wishing death on him only discredits those doing the wishing.

    I agree, but not before thinking about it some.

  47. 47.

    Tom Hilton

    June 28, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Adam Serwer has the best commentary I’ve seen so far; he doesn’t let Byrd off the hook for his Klan days, but he does acknowledge the distance Byrd ultimately traveled.

  48. 48.

    J sub D

    June 28, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    @Honus:

    I can’t think of any project Byrd brought to West Virginia that was a waste or didn’t really belong there.

    Robert C. Byrd Academic and Technology Center
    Robert C. Byrd addition to the lodge at Oglebay Park, Wheeling
    Byrd Aerospace Technology Center
    Robert C. Byrd Bridge between Huntington and Chesapeake, Ohio
    Robert C. Byrd Cancer Research Center
    Robert C. Byrd Clinical Addition to the veteran’s hospital in Huntington
    Robert C. Byrd Community Center, Pine Grove
    Robert C. Byrd Community Center in the naval station, Sugar Grove
    Robert C. Byrd Drive, from Beckley to Sophia (Byrd’s hometown)
    Robert C. Byrd Expressway, U.S. 22 near Weirton
    Robert C. Byrd Federal Building
    Robert C. Byrd Federal Courthouse
    Robert C. Byrd Freeway
    Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope
    Robert C. Byrd Hardwood Technologies Center, near Princeton
    Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center of West Virginia
    Robert C. Byrd High school in Bridgeport
    Robert C. Byrd Highway
    Robert C. Byrd Hilltop Office Complex, Mineral County
    Robert C. Byrd Honors Scholarships
    Robert C. Byrd Industrial Park, Hardy County
    Robert C. Byrd Institute in Charleston
    Robert C. Byrd Institute for Advanced Flexible Manufacturing
    Robert C. Byrd Library and Robert C. Byrd Learning Resource Center
    Robert C. Byrd Life Long Learning Center
    Robert C. Byrd Locks and Dam
    Robert C. Byrd National Technology Transfer Center
    Robert C. Byrd Rural Health Center
    Robert C. Byrd Scholastic Recognition Award
    Byrd Science Center, Shepherd University
    Robert C. Byrd Technology Center at Alderson-Broaddus College
    Robert C. Byrd United Technical Center
    Robert C. Byrd Visitor Center at Harpers Ferry National Historic Park

    Nope, no waste or pork there.

  49. 49.

    Tom Hilton

    June 28, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    For the sake of clarity, let’s look at that list without Byrd’s name in front of every item:

    Academic and Technology Center
    addition to the lodge at Oglebay Park, Wheeling
    Aerospace Technology Center
    Bridge between Huntington and Chesapeake, Ohio
    Cancer Research Center
    Clinical Addition to the veteran’s hospital in Huntington
    Community Center, Pine Grove
    Community Center in the naval station, Sugar Grove
    Drive, from Beckley to Sophia (Byrd’s hometown)
    Expressway, U.S. 22 near Weirton
    Federal Building
    Federal Courthouse
    Freeway
    Green Bank Telescope
    Hardwood Technologies Center, near Princeton
    Health Sciences Center of West Virginia
    High school in Bridgeport
    Highway
    Hilltop Office Complex, Mineral County
    Honors Scholarships
    Industrial Park, Hardy County
    Institute in Charleston
    Institute for Advanced Flexible Manufacturing
    Library and Learning Resource Center
    Life Long Learning Center
    Locks and Dam
    National Technology Transfer Center
    Rural Health Center
    Scholastic Recognition Award
    Science Center, Shepherd University
    Technology Center at Alderson-Broaddus College
    United Technical Center
    Visitor Center at Harpers Ferry National Historic Park

    Now, how about you tell us which of these are wasteful and unnecessary, and why. Maybe some of them are–I’m not taking a position on that, because I don’t know–but just listing a bunch of things that happen to have Byrd’s name on them is a cheap shot that doesn’t actually make the argument that any of them are wasteful or unnecessary.

  50. 50.

    Cacti

    June 28, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Robert C. Byrd Academic and Technology Center
    Robert C. Byrd addition to the lodge at Oglebay Park, Wheeling
    Byrd Aerospace Technology Center
    Robert C. Byrd Bridge between Huntington and Chesapeake, Ohio
    Robert C. Byrd Cancer Research Center
    Robert C. Byrd Clinical Addition to the veteran’s hospital in Huntington
    Robert C. Byrd Community Center, Pine Grove
    Robert C. Byrd Community Center in the naval station, Sugar Grove
    Robert C. Byrd Drive, from Beckley to Sophia (Byrd’s hometown)
    Robert C. Byrd Expressway, U.S. 22 near Weirton
    Robert C. Byrd Federal Building
    Robert C. Byrd Federal Courthouse
    Robert C. Byrd Freeway
    Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope
    Robert C. Byrd Hardwood Technologies Center, near Princeton
    Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center of West Virginia
    Robert C. Byrd High school in Bridgeport
    Robert C. Byrd Highway
    Robert C. Byrd Hilltop Office Complex, Mineral County
    Robert C. Byrd Honors Scholarships
    Robert C. Byrd Industrial Park, Hardy County
    Robert C. Byrd Institute in Charleston
    Robert C. Byrd Institute for Advanced Flexible Manufacturing
    Robert C. Byrd Library and Robert C. Byrd Learning Resource Center
    Robert C. Byrd Life Long Learning Center
    Robert C. Byrd Locks and Dam
    Robert C. Byrd National Technology Transfer Center
    Robert C. Byrd Rural Health Center
    Robert C. Byrd Scholastic Recognition Award
    Byrd Science Center, Shepherd University
    Robert C. Byrd Technology Center at Alderson-Broaddus College
    Robert C. Byrd United Technical Center
    Robert C. Byrd Visitor Center at Harpers Ferry National Historic Park

    Imagine that, a Senator who actually brings useful public works to his State.

    My State’s senior Senator, in contrast, prides himself on not bringing Federal money to my State. At the moment, all highway rest areas here are closed for lack of funds.

    Thanks Senator McCain! You rawwwk!

  51. 51.

    gwangung

    June 28, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Nope, no waste or pork there.

    Um, how can you tell? I can’t, just from the name.

    Or are your knees jerking again?

  52. 52.

    J sub D

    June 28, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    @Tom Hilton:
    How about I merely highlight those projects in WV that shouldn’t be payed for by citizens in the other 49 states?

    Academic and Technology Center
    addition to the lodge at Oglebay Park, Wheeling
    Aerospace Technology Center
    Bridge between Huntington and Chesapeake, Ohio
    Cancer Research Center

    Clinical Addition to the veteran’s hospital in Huntington
    Community Center, Pine Grove
    Community Center in the naval station, Sugar Grove
    Drive, from Beckley to Sophia (Byrd’s hometown)Expressway, U.S. 22 near Weirton
    Federal Building
    Federal Courthouse
    Freeway
    Green Bank Telescope
    Hardwood Technologies Center, near Princeton

    Health Sciences Center of West Virginia
    High school in Bridgeport (Dunno if the feds payed for this, sounds unlikely).
    Highway
    Hilltop Office Complex, Mineral County
    Honors Scholarships
    Industrial Park, Hardy County

    Institute in Charleston
    Institute for Advanced Flexible Manufacturing
    Library and Learning Resource Center
    Life Long Learning Center

    Locks and Dam
    National Technology Transfer Center
    Rural Health Center
    Scholastic Recognition Award
    Science Center, Shepherd University

    Technology Center at Alderson-Broaddus College
    United Technical Center

    Visitor Center at Harpers Ferry National Historic Park

    But don’t worry, I despised and decried Ted Stevens proclivities and skills at bringing home the bacon as well. I’m beginning to think that the posters here would have thought that the Bridge to Nowhere was a good use of federal dollars if Ted were a Dem and Alaska were blue.

    Lastly, no government facility, highway, program, etc. should be named after a person till they’ve been dead for a decade. Not Reagan National, not Cape Kennedy and not the Robert C. Byrd fereral yogurt research center.

    Preview would be nice here but the ability to edit after posting is waaay cool and suffices to mask my HTML incompetence.

  53. 53.

    geg6

    June 28, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    @J sub D:

    From your first comment and all the way to this one, I can only assume you know absolutely nothing at all about how things like technology research, health science research, astronomy and physics research, public education and student aid, and highways and bridges are funded and operated. If you do and you still posted this, you are probably a Randite and not worth listening to anyway.

  54. 54.

    J sub D

    June 28, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    @geg6:
    Not a “Randite” by which I assume you mean objectivist. I’m definitely a libertarian who believes in limited government. I know the feds sink a lot of money into research, I think they shouldn’t. Even if you think the government should be investing in things like aerospace and advanced flexible manufacturing you must recognize that doing it in West Virginia is not a wise way to go about it.

    But don’t mind me, go back to praising a guy who never mret a social spending bill or pork laden addition to same he didn’t like. Because as we all know in D.C you get “Money for nothin’ and your chicks for free”.

  55. 55.

    Mnemosyne

    June 28, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    @J sub D:

    I know the feds sink a lot of money into research, I think they shouldn’t.

    So all R&D should be paid for solely by private businesses? I’ll go along with that as long as you’re willing to have prices for prescription drugs skyrocket once the companies are no longer able to use government research and facilities to develop their drugs.

    I assume you’re also talking about shutting down NASA and having the armed forces build all of their own planes and tanks in-house rather than having Boeing and Raytheon get massive payments from the government to do it for them.

  56. 56.

    geg6

    June 28, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    @J sub D:

    Ah, a libertarian who thinks there is a distinction between “objectivism” and libertarianism. Hate to break it to you, but they are one and the same. Just like “progressive” is the exact same thing as a liberal. Except one word has been demonized and the other is simply a deception to cover for the first one.

    Even if you think the government should be investing in things like aerospace and advanced flexible manufacturing you must recognize that doing it in West Virginia is not a wise way to go about it.

    And why would that be? What is it about West Virginia that makes it unworthy of doing research and development? Couldn’t possibly be some sort of prejudice against a very poor state and its population? Or is there something you know about West Virginia that even my extremely close proximity has kept hidden from me?

  57. 57.

    J sub D

    June 28, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Ah, a libertarian who thinks there is a distinction between “objectivism” and libertarianism. Hate to break it to you, but they are one and the same. Just like “progressive” is the exact same thing as a liberal. Except one word has been demonized and the other is simply a deception to cover for the first one.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

    Read, follow some of the links and get back to me when you have some idea of what the hell you’re talking about.

    ETA – There is some overlap, there is some overlap between fascism and communism as well. Only an ignorant boob would call them the same thing.

  58. 58.

    gwangung

    June 28, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    I’m definitely a libertarian who believes in limited government. I know the feds sink a lot of money into research, I think they shouldn’t.

    Then I think your train of thought is unwise and unrealistic.

    Also, “Columbus was a dope.”

  59. 59.

    J sub D

    June 28, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    @geg6: @Mnemosyne:
    I’ve no problem with military research, defense is a perfectly legitimate use of tax dollars. We go waaaay overboard in this country on it, but defense related R&D doesn’t raise red flags with me. As you are undoubtably aware, the space program, including the race to the moon, was largely defense driven. Sending probes to roll around on the surface of mars, do fly-bys of the other planets, collect comet dust, the Hubble telescope et al are really neato cool and I can honstly say I’ve got my money’s worth out of those spending programs.

    What I cannot honestly say is that other people should be paying for what is essentially welfare for astronmers and physicists and subsidizing my interests. Some people get their kicks from bowling and baseball, not science. I don’t think the government should be subsidizing their hobbies either. To be consistent, I can’t support them subsidizing mine.

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