Jeffrey Goldberg, who has spent the last two weeks avoiding an actual argument with Glenn Greenwald after linking to Joe Klein’s lie about Greenwald comparing the Iraq invasion to the Nazi invasions, revisits the situation briefly.
Not to back up his assertion that Glenn was comparing the United States with invading Nazis, of course. He doesn’t have the intestinal fortitude nor the facts on his side for that. Instead, his only remarks other than linking to Joe Klein’s lies are to blame Glenn for an Atlantic cock-up.
This is Wingnut Argumentation 101- ignore the substance of the debate, let others make vile and false assertions, promote those lies, and then wait until you can act the victim. The best part of all of this is that in the real world, all Goldberg would have to say is “Glenn caught us- we screwed up and changed the title accidentally and then changed it back,” because that is what happened. Instead, in the world of Goldblog, it is Greenwald’s fault for not calling the editors of the Atlantic to see why they changed the headline.
After reading Goldberg for a while, I know why Glenn didn’t bother to pick up the phone. It’s pretty clear there aren’t any editors at the Atlantic.
taterstick
Two assholes going after each other on the intertubes? Amazing!
(Speaking solely as a mindless John Cole/Barack Obama syncophant, per Mr. Greenwald)
freelancer
You should cut yourself for writing such a sentence.
Pancake
A pretty good summary of the “Balloon Juice Approach to Blogging.”
freelancer
@Pancake:
OH, STFU, Pancake. I’ve heard on good authority that you were kicked out of NAMBLA for blowing a goat. They may not have a lot of rules, but calling him a “kid” is a bit of a stretch.
Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle
Pancake:
As a reader of both GG and JC, I take exception to that. Cole is not afraid of saying he is wrong. I just find it funny that Cole is getting more “Shrill” every day. ;-)
Tonybrown74
@Pancake:
“I know you are, but what am I?”
Fucking eight year old twit!
slag
@Pancake:
And as we see here, making a blanket derogatory statement without any evidence at all to support it is yet another element of wingnut argumentation.
General Stuck
@taterstick: Works for me. Means less time either have to publish their drek on actual issues.
MikeJ
Is there a quick rundown on this that doesn’t involve me giving pageviews to Goldberg, Greenwald, or Klein?
Atlantic (Goldberg?) said something mean about Greenwald and then changed the story and claimed it never happened? Joe Klein told Goldberg’s girlfriend that he saw Greenwald at the mall and he was going to see Twilight with Ezra?
eemom
wait, I thought Goldberg and Greenwald were gonna take a little trip to Kurdistan together to talk things over?
slag
@MikeJ:
I heard Ezra passed out at 31 Flavors.
General Stuck
@eemom: FTW!!
El Cid
ACORN. Climategate. Ad infinitum.
El Tiburon
@MikeJ:
Greenwald was tore Goldberg a new a-hole, but in the Greenwaldian way of utilizing facts and evidence and shit like that.
Goldberg was like, “WAHHHHH!!! Glenn no like me! Glenn is stoopid!”
There’s more but that’s the gist.
Efroh
Is there a pool for betting how many times Frum will link to his own forum in the week he’s subbing for Andrew Sullivan? Pretty shameless, but then, it’s David Frum.
Zifnab
All Hail unregulated free-market journalism!
El Cid
Line them up against a paywall with a blindfold and cigarette.
Bruce (formerly Steve S.)
@MikeJ:
Goldberg said the Iraqi invasion was a good thing because the Kurds approved.
Greenwald pointed out that such apologetics convey no useful information, since all invaders, even the Nazis, use similar.
Goldberg/Klein said that Greenwald is comparing Iraq to the Sudetenland and America to Nazi Germany. This definitively proves that they failed the reading comprehension portion of the standardized test and were subsequently tracked into journalism careers.
General Stuck
@eemom: In honor of eemom, this song is dedicated to Glenn and Jeff.
Mnemosyne
@Bruce (formerly Steve S.):
Well, clearly the problem here is that Goldberg/Klein got their illegal invasions mixed up — US vs. Iraq was much more like Germany vs. Poland than Germany vs. the Sudetenland. There wasn’t any ginned-up “evidence” of aggression against Germany by the Sudetenland.
Dr. Morpheus
@Mnemosyne:
Well, no, but there was some with the invasion of Poland.
Belvoir
Significant to me: Goldberg blamed an intern.
Mnemosyne
@Dr. Morpheus:
Yes, that would be my point — the Poland comparison makes more sense than a Sudetenland one.
My snark may have been too subtle. :-)
Brick Oven Bill
Seriously.
To conservatives, the US government is an evil tyranny hell-bent on enslaving them as minions.
They couldn’t, however, understand why the Iraqis saw us that way too.
“Where from the government, we’re here to help”
Bella Q
@Belvoir: Well he certainly wasn’t going to take any personal responsibility for an error on his blog, now was he?
Larkspur
I am so fucking tired of stupid damn Hitler and Nazis. They’re dead and they keep on fucking things up. Ya know?
I don’t know if WordPerfect still exists, but once upon a time I used it, and I recollect loving the “Reveal Codes” function, and wishing life and/or history had a Reveal Codes function, and you know I would search and delete everything Shickelgruber or Hitler. I would do it tonight if I could, and let all of y’all sort out the cognitive dissonance tomorrow.
Also, I would do the same thing with cancer.
And now, I think I should call myself Anthony and put myself in the corn field.
Ethan Hoddes
Goldberg seems to have a bizarre obsession with phones as the hallmark of legitimacy, one of his first blog posts at the Atlantic was about it.
shaun
Blogging at its most insipid:
Jeffrey, who has spent the last two weeks avoiding an argument with Glenn linking to Joe’s lie about Glenn comparing comparing the Iraq invasion to the Nazi invasions, revisits the situation briefly because Andrew has come to Glenn’s defense, at least insofar as the Nazi comparison is concerned, although not the rationale for the Iraq invasion, which Marc goes after in a post responding to Josh, who finds the entire matter a cock-up while praising Glenn for keeping his powder dry, but not his use of lengthy rationales that he finds more akin to the kind of pop history that Pat and his ilk promulgate.
It’s obvious that there are no editors, as well as no zucchinis, at Balloon Juice.
Who the frig cares?
Sigh.