Not liking this one so far. They’re overdoing both the “who is Don Draper” stuff and the Roger one liners.
Jane’s friend is very annoying. Where the hell are Rachel and Miss Farrell?
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Not liking this one so far. They’re overdoing both the “who is Don Draper” stuff and the Roger one liners.
Jane’s friend is very annoying. Where the hell are Rachel and Miss Farrell?
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JWL
I’ve caught a few episodes from each season. Has the show got around to mentioning the Beatles yet?
jeffreyw
Savin myself for the purity of the DVR playback. FF past the commercials is especially sweet during Mad Men.
PaulW
Oh dear God his sunburn is lethal.
Lev
I never got into Mad Men. I suppose it was after learning that Matt Weiner wrote some of the worst episodes of The Sopranos, and in the back half of the show there were plenty of them.
DickSpudCouchPotatoDetective
My favorite cable series. Campbell seems awfully animated.
Peggy’s hairdo is an improvement. Don seems a little subdued. Joan is wonderful as always. Roger is cranky. Lane is himself. Bert Cooper is my second favorite character after Don.
I like the small business angst. Very realistic.
PaulW
Betty Not-Draper: still evil mom.
Allison W.
looks like betty is uptight and dull no matter who she’s with.
DickSpudCouchPotatoDetective
“Believe me Henry, but everybody thinks this is temporary.”
Worth the price of the ticket, that line.
PaulW
Don Draper is losing his sh-t.
Allison W.
1.5 stars
DougJ
@Allison W.:
I was thinking the opposite — I like the new Betty better. Still a a pain in the ass airhead, but she seems sexier somehow.
DickSpudCouchPotatoDetective
@DougJ:
That’s because she is with a man who thinks she is sexy.
Don never seemed to. He seemed to want to frame her like an oil painting.
Don isn’t losing his shit, he is finding it. Those dull Jantzen people can take their “wholesome” business down the street.
Hal
This is one of those shows that has never generated any interest for me. I think I saw maybe a total of an hours worth of The Sopranos during the entire time it was on, and I’ve literally never laid eyes on Lost, unless you count the commercials for it.
Weird how some shows just don’t resonate with some viewers at all. I know with The Sopranos I always felt the whole mob mystique was completely overdone, and also that their was some large scale hypocrisy going on, with the mob being cast as folk heroes, despite the fact that they were amoral, vicious killers. For Lost, it was the same reason I never bothered watching Castaway. It was like; “Let me know when they get off the island.”
Anyhoo, I say this as a loyal viewer of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, who never missed an episode, and would defend the show to the end, so no accounting for taste on my part.
Cat Lady
Great set up – Peggy is so interesting, and I love that everyone is looking to Don for all the answers, but he won’t give any. Betty has some steel now – remember her when she was seeing the psychiatrist, and making excuses for everything? She’s no dummy, at all. She speaks fluent Italian! I do miss Sal.
Remember, it took until the lawn mower episode last year before anything much happened. I like the work setting better than everyone’s private life. I’m quite pleased with this start.
Joshua Norton
I’m just wondering is Sal will ever make a comeback. It seemed awfuly quick the way he was shunted off last season.
Lev
@Hal: Different people have different sensibilities. I agree with you on Mad Men and LOST, but I disagree on The Sopranos, and I think it’s very hard to interpret the show as being too positive toward the mob life. In fact, I think that as the show went on, David Chase got increasingly exasperated that so many people actually liked Tony Soprano, and kept having him do increasingly more monstrous things without really trying to show redeeming attributes to the guy.
MikeJ
I never got into Mad Men. Nothing against it. Anyone want to talk Inception spoilers? I saw it yesterday. 73 kinds of awesome.
What was the FPS I was put in mind of on the winter mountain level?
Allison W.
@DougJ: I don’t see the change – at least not in this episode. She’s just on her back more often.
shortstop
Oh, god, Don Draper, as sketched by Jon Hamhanded, is the most boring character in the history of TV. Possibly even more in this episode than in previous seasons.
Roger, on the other hand, generally entertains. And Bert always does.
What’s-his-name’s mom gets points for apparently being the first to notice that Betty’s kids are terrified of her. And why the hell wouldn’t they be?
shortstop
Where is Peggy’s toddler these days? Still being raised by her resentful family? With Trudy going all babyless and shit?
Nicole
I liked. Happy it’s back.
imranbzu
I never got into Mad Men,I liked. Happy it’s back.
Jules
@shortstop:
No kidding….it was great little scene.
In the last episode of the season when Don and Betty were having the fight in the bedroom Don made a comment about how much better off the kids would be away from Betty and I thought “now there’s a thought Don”.
Thoroughly Pizzled
I miss the old office. Nice carpeted floors. But I’m glad the show’s back.
Montysano
I have a meeting later this week with a group that hired me to do some design work. I already don’t like these people, and even worse: they hired a designer when what they really wanted was a stenographer to write down their bonehead ideas and incorporate them into the work.
Hopefully, by Thursday I will have forgotten Draper’s presentation to the Jantzen people.
DickSpudCouchPotatoDetective
@Montysano:
Great description. That sounds like 2/3 of the IT projects in the business world. Take a crap model of processing and automate it, thereby creating an automated crap system, which would be shit on its first day of operation.
Ah, good times.
arguingwithsignposts
I have never watched an episode. I hear it’s great, but … meh.
valdivia
I have never been a fan of Betty. and while I hate to contradict DougJ I thought there were moments in which she just looked dowdy, too ‘matronly’ especially with the Chanel-like suit look.
I was clapping when Henry Francis’ mom told him Betty was a silly woman. Also: Don’s line to HF about it being temporary: freaking priceless.
Most interesting scene, for me, and not to bring things into the gutter, but: Don wanting to get slapped during s-e-x with the pro.
And most exciting moment: kicking the Jantzen people out and then the interview with the WSJ guy. Just wow.
Phishbulb
@Hal:
Thanks. Your opinion having watched none of this and little to nothing of other shows is valuable. Thanks for posting your opinion. Kudos. You receive multiple kudos. For your opinion. Of shows you either have not watched or have watched during the commercials of queer ass shit you were watching. Thanks for the update.
Joe Bauers
@Hal:
Is this because you’re the worst human being in the history of the world?
(Too strong? OK, I guess I can see that.)
adolphus
I gotta admit being hot and cold on this episode. Maybe it was the commercials. I watched all the other episodes on DVD in the Spring. I have to keep reminding myself Mad Men is more like the Wire. It takes awhile to build momentum. Not like the Soprano’s which left the starting gate each season like a scalded dog.
On another topic. I kinda liked Rubicon, but that tag line has to go. “Not Every Conspiracy is a Theory.” Could we misuse the word “theory” some more? I don’t think our debates over science education and evolution are muddied enough.
adolphus
Plus, the more I think about it, the whole plot seems like a copy of Three Days of the Condor.
Hal
@Joe Bauers
Apparently. At least according to Phishbulb. I may have displaced Andrew Breitbart even. Hopefully Keith Olbermann isn’t a fan of Mad Men or the Sopranos, or I’m in deep shit.
Warren Terra
I’ve enjoyed Mad Men (on Netflix, so I won’t see tonight’s episode for months, though obviously if I’m reading this thread I’m not worried about spoilers) but the third season was definitely by far the weakest, especially because everything about Draper’s past and his moral dilemmas and anything about Betty bores me rigid (wasn’t Don a lot more fun when he was smart and a bit amoral?). I watch the show for the pitches, for the cultural/temporal grace notes, for the office politics and petty jealousies, and for its portrayals of remotely believable people trying to discover who they might become in a changing world (that’s people; bored spoiled absurdly beautiful rich near-perfect housewives need not apply, especially if their self-actualization consists of switching Supermen).
I’d hoped the whole point of the post-Sterling Cooper relaunch they signaled at the end of Season 3 was that they’d be getting more into the clients and the campaigns, because the agency would have to actually work harder and would be less insulated from the world around it. And I’d definitely hoped for less “Who Is Don Draper” and less Betty.
Comrade Luke
I’m watching the movie Collapse right now.
Has anyone seen this? It’s scary stuff.
miwome
@shortstop: No. It was given up for adoption. The baby you see is her sister’s–remember, she was pregnant when she and Peggy’s mom showed up to visit Peggy in the hospital? There’s only one baby in Peggy’s sister’s household, and no way Peggy’s sister (can’t remember her name) gave up her own child to raise Peggy’s. When Peggy said, “I had your baby and I gave it away,” she meant she really gave it AWAY.
Hippie Killer
I have a theory that that word “theory” actually has a few different definitions, among them “an assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.”
wonkie
I likeMad Men for the cultural anthropology. I have more empathy for my mom now.
mcd410x
If there were an open thread on bacon, you can guarantee a couple people would post on the thread about how bacon just isn’t for them, or how they’re really put off by this whole bacon thing. Even though they’ve never had it.
Humanity: It’s what’s for dinner.
Shalimar
@mcd410x: Bacon is good and I even have some in the refrigerator right now, but good pork sausage is so much better. :P
CaseyL
I think the episode is a terrific set-up for the season.
Interesting back and forth intro: first a pitch that makes the firm look like it’s on the ropes, then the dramatic look at the plush new offices, and then another downturn with Don blowing an important interview, Peggy staging a stunt that gets out of hand, and Don blowing off clients altogether. Roger and Bert aren’t very happy with him, that’s for sure.
I like the way Don ends the episode by deliberately opting to make the new firm a story in and of itself, selling it’s “personality” as a daring gamble he instigated. It also seems he’s going to define himself ever more by his work, since his personal life is going down the toilet. I mean: he’s gone from having girlfriends who were accomplished, confident in themselves (remember Marge?) to hookers?
What with Betty not fitting in at all with Henry’s family, Henry himself starting to wonder about the quality of her character, and her kids alternately hating and fearing her, I think this is another de-evolution it’ll be painful to watch.
Overall, that’s how the whole episode seemed to me: everyone, everything brittle; everything a bit off-balance and insecure. It makes sense to have that off-kilter feeling as the 60s start to really heat up.
GregB
Comrade Luke,
I watched it tonight also.
Ruppert is a very intriguing narrator. Much of what he has said has come to pass.
FlipYrWhig
First time I ever saw the show, bowing to the smart people hype at last. It didn’t blow me away, but I feel like I was missing A LOT that was supposed to be significant.
FlipYrWhig
For all of the fuss about careful period detail, one of the office guys, the one who had on something like a sweater vest and pants that clashed, had a hairstyle that looked too current.
Andy
And as ever, Peggy functions as Don’s Jiminy Cricket, reminding him that he’s the one that makes it go. The way the show is set up now, it’s a lot like Star Trek, with Roger and Peggy in the roles of Bones and Spock. And since both of them are telling him, in different ways, to do the same thing, that’s what he does; he sells the SCDP story, with himself as the hero. I found everyone’s deference to him interesting and his resistance to their deference believable, but I am less and less interested in Betty and anything outside of the office. Sally still kicks ass.
Zuzu's Petals
I agree that Henry’s mother totally nailed Betty.
I also think it’s interesting that Henry, who seemed so suave and debonaire last season, is belittled by his mother, by Betty, and by Don (who has one withering put down after another in this episode).
By the end of the show he looked pretty pathetic.
Knowing that he worked for Rockefeller, I’d thought there might have been a storyline about Nelson getting slapped around so completely in ’64, but the story seems to pick up after the election has already happened. Maybe that further belittling of Henry will be implied in other ways during the season.
Peter
I quickly skimmed this post without realizing it was about Mad men, so my brain automatically added ‘Hamsher’ and ‘Maddow’ to that last line.
mtraven
This episode didn’t do it for me. Don violently throwing clients out of his office didn’t ring true, and a lot of the rest of it felt equally forced.
Re Collapse, I thought it was pretty silly. Dmitri Orlov is much more grounded in reality, and funnier, if you want to spend time fantasizing about collapse.
Joshua Norton
I’m not sure yet. Of course I love Joan being back on board, but the rest of it seems like the same old angst in a new location. Obviously it had to be a year later, the kids have grown like weeds.
And how come they designed Don’t new apt. to look like the inside of a cave? Even with a wall of windows the room is submerged in gloom. With all the dark shadows and mud tones my basement storage has more warmth and charm.
FlipYrWhig
@mtraven:
I thought the point was that he decided to pitch a fit that was _unlike_ him, so that he would have a story to tell the Wall Street Journal about how cocksure and edgy the new firm was — but as a stunt, a parallel to the fighting-over-the-ham stunt in the other plotline.
But, again, this was my first time ever watching the show, so I have no idea what is supposed to ring true.
kormgar
@mtraven:
Go back to the first season. He used to treat clients like that all the time back then.
Nora Carrington
I watched the previous seasons on DVD, ingested in weekend long binges, complete with all the commentaries, extras, etc; tonight was the first time watching it “live.”
If Don has a second date with the moronic Bethany, a Betty-clone if ever there was one, I may have to shoot my television. Blond, Seven Sisters, charming pretend show-business jobs. I wish he’d hook back up with the bohemian from Season 1 — the woman with the beatnik friends who threw a television out the window because Don objected to her accepting gifts from other men. Don seems smitten with Bethany because she won’t put out; will men never quit falling for that bullshit?
Men end up hating women like Betty in part because they’re not that into sex. Then they find and screw women who love sex, and treat them like dirt, too. And wonder why their relationships don’t work out all that well.
I’d blame the 60s and brag about how far we’ve come but, well, not so much.
Evie
Too many Mad Men haters here.
I’m just thrilled it’s back. The stuff with Peggy was great. Henry is definitely strange — he can get it up for car-sex and weekend-away sex, but not in bed? And is it me or is his mother awfully close in age to him?
The slapping during sex is obviously disturbing for a number of reasons, but I suppose that’s the point. Still, has being outed as D Whitman and the failure of his marriage really escalated his self-loathing to the point he turns down Thanksgiving with friends so he can be abused by a hooker. A regular, I might add. Those kids are so screwed.
geg6
Late to the party, but, as always, this show rocks. Don is so brilliant but fucked up that I can’t get enough of him. Not-Betty, I think, seems an awful lot like Don may be falling for a clone of his ex, but I thought I saw a hint or two that she may have hidden depths that might surprise Don. Meanwhile, could Betty herself be more horrible to her kids? Love me some Sally though. As for the firm, the dynamics are interesting, with all the anxiety, the deference to Don, and Don pulling it together enough so that he had his narrative and an image for the firm, pulled from his ass at the last minute, set for the interview with the WSJ.
As for all the Mad Men haters, especially those who don’t watch, seriously, what the fuck? Do you go around telling little kids there is no Santa Claus? Some people get off by ruining other people’s enjoyment, I guess.
jomo
Really well observed. The 60’s were when culture became modern and cool. You began to see the emergence of the personal brand and the advertising superstar. I think the throwing of the Jantzen client out of the office was as much of a performance as the WSJ Interview. Also interesting, Peggy’s stunt was in fact brilliant, as was Pete’s insight about selling TV’s to blacks last season. I found it notable that Don didn’t see that. One senses that he’s not really as good as he thinks he is.
Montysano
@Comrade Luke:
Yes. I’ve been fascinated with Michael Ruppert for a while now. But who would have predicted that a movie that’s comprised of a guy sitting in a chair (in a basement?), talking and smoking cigarettes could be so compelling?
debbie
No cable, so I’ve only seen the first two seasons so far. My dad was in advertising (though not in NYC) in the 1950s-1970s, so Mad Men rings true to me (except for the degree of the morning drinking). I do remember a client being forcefully escorted from the office. I remember summer jobs during high school where I was propositioned by a client. I especially remember going for a job interview at an agency in Cleveland in the late 1970s after graduating from art school, where the guy (who was a business friend of my dad’s) actually grabbed my breast while I was flipping pages in my portfolio.
I love that there’s a dark underbelly to every character in what’s supposed to be a ideal, innocent time in America (ref. Donna Reed).
The first half of the 3rd season is on hold for me at the library, and I can’t wait!
snarkypsice
I can’t wait to watch this tonight! You all have whetted my appetite – I absolutely love this show, although it took me a few episodes to get into it. I only ever watch 3 TV shows and this is one of them so yay for it being back!
valdivia
@geg6:
what you said. I can’t believe all the haters in this thread. I would recommend for the lovers of the show to read Alan Sepinwall’s weekly posts and the comments there about MM. Really excellent insights (@ What is Alan Watching Blog).
I love Sally and think she will be the epitome of 60s rebellion (flowers, pot, sex etc) as soon as they fast forward to 67.
norbizness
I’ll probably catch it on DVD when it comes out; I liked Seasons 1 and (most of) 3, but 2 was odd, in that it was basically superfluous. Only odder is the rabid fan base, i.e. the ‘what does it mean as a contemporary allegory’ crowd.
shortstop
@miwome: Wow. I missed that whole storyline. Thanks for the update!
autrement qu'etre
he can get it up for car-sex and weekend-away sex, but not in bed?
That one made perfect sense to me. Real woman with kids running around? No, thanks. Object of exchange stolen from another man? Sexxxy!
autrement qu'etre
@valdivia: 1967 is only two years away. If Sally is into sex, drugs and rock-n-roll at age 10, Mad Men might have to move to HBO!
shortstop
Seriously? From the perspective of someone who likes but is really critical of aspects of the show, it looks like the uncritical fans of the show are joined here by quite a few who like but are really critical of aspects of the show, and maybe one or two people who actually “hate” it.
valdivia
@autrement qu’etre:
Isn’t she 10 already? And they are in thanksgiving 64, so 3 extra years making her 13. A little young I know but it was the 60s. Actually I just choose 67 kinda randomly. But I do think that at some point they will switch Shipka for a more adult looking girl all hell is going to break loose.
For me it seems a lot of people commenting on this thread never really got into the show or even watch it but feel obliged to comment anyway.
iamdickwhitman
Sally rules! She’ll be a way less uptight version of Peggy. Why can’t Betty just fall into a coma or something-she is God-awful painful to watch. The ‘Don’ with a pro?! How the mighty have fallen.
LarsThorwald
Mad Men is the best show going on television right now.
Draper is an insanely interesting character, and that whole show is filled with interesting characters.
My favorite line was — obviously — the line “Believe me, Henry, everyone thinks this is temporary,” but I think the line that had me do a low whistle was when Henry’s mother asked him why he was content to “live in another man’s dirt.”
Also, I love sweet potatoes!
MBunge
“Really well observed.”
That might be the best description of MAD MEN I’ve ever seen. The very high level of skill and talent on display in the show makes people overlook stuff like…
A. Being told Don Draper has had an amazing year becoming the bestest thing evah in the advertising world, while simultaneously….
B. Being told Don Draper’s firm is on it’s last legs and he’s being blamed for its troubles.
Wha?
Mike
Ben
@Zuzu’s Petals
I think the Rockefeller storyline was very much present. Notice the scene in the house, when Don mockingly suggest Harry could by the house, followed by an “oh, that’s right, you’ve got nothing” look.
Loved it.
iamdickwhitman
Correct me if I’m wrong but ’65 didn’t have a whole lot of cultural landmarks-just the Watts riots and the Gulf of Tonkin incident which only started a little war. Weiner NEVER gives the audience what they want, so there’ll probably be no Roger/Red re-romance -Sal will still be not seen or heard from-Betty will not come back to Don(please Gawd NO NO!!!) and Betty won’t be eliminated(rats!).
valdivia
@iamdickwhitman:
wait Beatles? isn’t that 64. we’re still in 64.
Aries Moon
Betty is like a metaphor of the era she lives in… pretty on the outside, broken on the inside. And like the mainstream of that era, I think she will resist introspection as long as she can until she is finally propelled forward by a catalyst/s beyond her control. Last season there was an episode where she and Don were giving a dinner party for Don’s business associates and their wives and it was pretty apparent that her female peers have already started moving beyond the hyper-rigid ideas of 50’s perfection that Betty was still trying to emulate. I find her character flat and completely unsympathetic at this point but I’m holding out hope the writers will give her some depth and make her interesting again.
Harry wanting to have sex with Betty anywhere but in DON’S house seemed very sad to me… that’s quite a large shadow he’s living under. Don’s house, Don’s wife, Don’s kids. Basically Don’s old life.
I think Don’s Betty-wannabe blind date presents kind of a fork in the road for Don… does he want Betty 2.0 or is he ready to grow beyond that kind of narrowly defined relationship? He’s mostly chosen free spirits for his flings in the past… why not move forward and pursue the kind of “equal” partner he’s always seemed to want? Will be interesting to see what he goes from here. As an aside… whatever happened to the school teacher from last season?
It seemed to me like the last-straw stand against the swimming suit people and subsequent WSJ interview was Don starting to teeter back from the brink. I hope this season will be about our favorite creative director truly finding himself instead of just creating the “Don Draper” persona and wearing it like a suit.
Jeebers, I love this show!!
andrea
Beatles were on the Ed Sullivan show in early ’64.
Jane’s friend looked familiar and it took me until the end of the scene why — she was in last season’s True Blood as the anti vampire reverend’s wife, Sarah.
Steeplejack
Test message.
WordPress has been sending all my comments down the hole since early Sunday morning. Happens with three different browsers. Now trying on a different computer at my brother’s house.
ETA: So this works. Hmm. Back to the drawing board on the computer at home. I suspect that some add-in is not working or got mangled. Look forward to troubleshooting that.
SB Jules
@arguingwithsignposts:
I lived (& worked) during that period. My circle of friends thought that advertising men were possibly the lowest of the low, so I’ve never been tempted to watch.
iamdickwhitman
Couldn’t possibly care less bout Betts, but since Weiner has stuck us with her I agree with the comment about her having to experience some kind of personal catastrophe in order to finally grow out of her Princess Grace self-delusion. Whew. Don’s ruthlessness is assuaged by the fact that he will never allow self-pity to go along with his self-loathing.the man came from less than nothing to achieve great success and that means A LOT. He is the American dream facade defined. Reminds me of Michael Corleone-self made model. Betty 2.0 at the Barbizon? A red-herring. If she were to be someone in Don’s life she would have been introduced more subtly; like Henry at Derby party or Jane as “The New Girl”. Who knew what they would lead to? Weiner seems insistent on never showing his hand and always pulling off the surprised. Maddening-but GREAT. Helps keep us viewers on our toes, and I appreciate it.
kc
Don’s Jantzen ad mock-up sucked. Who the hell does he think buys women’s swimsuits, men? Duh.
MBunge
Don’s Jantzen ad mock-up sucked. Who the hell does he think buys women’s swimsuits, men? Duh.
I’m not exactly sure why Sorkin not being funny with STUDIO 60 was a big deal, but Weiner sucking at advertising is okay.
Mike
debbie
Back then, if the man didn’t make the buying decision, then the woman would decide with her man in mind (at least most women).
lib4
While I missed the show tremendously this Opening Episode was just ok
The good:
1. Love having the gang back especially Joan
2. I love that Henry’s mom hates Betty
3. After a tumultuous year, I love that the “real Don” was finally back at the end of the episode.
4. I love the chemistry between Pete and Peggy. The fake fight was brilliant even though it bit them in the butt. Gotta love Pete sending Peggy in to do the dirty work with Don.
The bad:
1. Don Draper should NOT need to get slapped around to get off. PERIOD
2. The product placement was more annoying than usual- if i saw one more bottle of Canadian Club prominently featured I was going to puke
3. The Betty clone was poorly cast and looked 16. Hope she fades out. Any of the other women in Don’s life were infinitely more interesting than this clone…but then again maybe that’s the point
The Ugly:
1. That sunburn was brutal
2. Peggy’s assistant; in addition to be annoying; has hair that is straight out of a 2006 Hair Cuttery commercial. What gives? Give the man some hair lube and a straight black comb please
Anyone else miss Ken…I love a good foil especially for Pete who gets so easily riled up.
snarkyspice
I must be missing the “TV critic’ gene or something, but I LOVED that! So glad it’s back.
My favorite line of all — telling the WSJ guy ‘now we have 2 floors of the Time Life building.’ Heh.
I thought Don and the hooker was pitch perfect, loved Betty’s new husband’s ineptitude, like the new Peggy, love her pointless assistant… I could go on. Haters hate, critics critique, I don’t care. I am just glad it’s back :)
Michael E Sullivan
@Hal
“Apparently. At least according to Phishbulb. I may have displaced Andrew Breitbart even. Hopefully Keith Olbermann isn’t a fan of Mad Men or the Sopranos, or I’m in deep shit. ”
It’s more a question of why people who didn’t actually watch the show or a significant amount of the series feel a need to comment in a Mad Men thread merely to say “I never got into Mad Men”
When there’s a thread on a blog I read about something that I don’t give a shit about, my usual response is to…
not post any comments.
What is it about some topics that seems to inspire a chorus of people saying they don’t care?
I’m sure lots of commenters here have their eyes glaze over when some economics geek gets quoted with extensive statistics about how we’re all going to hell in a handbasket, or reports of the latest OMGWingnutsDoCompletelyBatshitInsaneThingHOOCOODANODE!
But somehow we never see a half dozen such people coming out to say “I don’t really give a shit about this thing you posted today. Meh. Whatever.”
Contention: Many people believe panning tv shows signals high status.
Discuss.
Michael E Sullivan
“Men end up hating women like Betty in part because they’re not that into sex. Then they find and screw women who love sex, and treat them like dirt, too. And wonder why their relationships don’t work out all that well.”
I just have to say, this is brilliant.
iamdickwhitman
Among the myriad of reasons not to like Betty is the fact that she is so boring, with nothing to offer but her petulant look and brainless chatter.Sally a TEN YEAR OLD seemingly has more depth for chrissakes.nothing worse than some kept bimbo who is never happy, a terrible mother, and a passive racist.Her lack of interest in sex is irrelevant.Henry’s mother hit the nail on the head when she basically told him ‘I could see why you’d want to get with someone that hot looking-BUT you didn’t have to stoop to marrying her to get THAT’.Thank you, Mama Francis! Betty is revolting and hopefully for Henry’s sake he’ll look for the exit sooner rather than later. But I fear he’ll stay out of old-school gentlemanly obligation. Brutal.
Rosie
Ever since the fans began demanding that Betty become some idealized version of the 21st century mother, I have wondered how long it would take for Matt Weiner to cave in and portray her as the idiot fans seemed to regard her.
It didn’t take long. Three seasons. Betty Francis aka Draper has finally become a one-note “Mommie Dearest” and is no longer the complex woman she used to be. Thanks a lot, Weiner! You prick!