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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Koch and sympathy

Koch and sympathy

by DougJ|  July 27, 201011:21 pm| 72 Comments

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Fee-fees of the rich and famous:

The piece has illuminated David Koch, a man whom some have branded as an ‘environmental criminal’, and has made him human with a real voice, with real jokes (on his artificial knees: “If you spent as many years as I did begging girls for favors, you’d have bad knees, too.”)

Goldman weaves Koch’s tale in a fashion befitting the gentleman. In this story, we delve into Koch’s estrangement from his brother William, the aircraft tragedy that nearly killed him, the reasons behind his philanthropy, even his private sexual… difficulties.

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Dissatisfied with their father’s John Birch Society, the Koch brothers set to building something William F. Buckley would have seen as at least more agreeable: groups like the Cato Institute, the Mercatus Center, and Americans for Prosperity.

The Kochs are strange people. A friend of mine met estranged brother Fred Koch and I honestly can’t tell you the story of what transpired for fear I might get sued.

But, sad to say, it’s their world, we’re just living in it. Their travails generate more sympathy, at least in certain quarters, than any torture victim or lynched relative of Shirley Sherrod ever wll. And Koch’s lackeys at Cato are taken more seriously than you or I ever will be.

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  1. 1.

    arguingwithsignposts

    July 27, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    Now frumforum is an accepted link? What, politico wasn’t worthy?

    And the Koch’s can DIAF. also, too.

    “I played basketball when you could be white and be good,” he says.

    Larry Bird would like a word with his sorry old ass.

  2. 2.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 27, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    I honestly can’t tell you the story of what transpired for fear I might get sued.

    Well maybe some anonymous third party, some other, anonymous friend of that friend, could post it, anonymously, in some internet forum.

    It’s not really surprising that the second richest man in NYC (I did not know that), who inherited his money I gather, thinks he’s being picked on by socialists. What makes me tear my hair out is the people living paycheck-to-paycheck, whose taxes have been cut, who do or will rely on Medicare, etc, cheering him on. And this douche says “I sympathize with those folks!”

  3. 3.

    r€nato

    July 27, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Not so difficult to understand why peasants supported Marxist revolutionaries like Che Guevara, Castro and Mao when you consider what it would be like to live in the kind of industrial-feudal, late 19th century society people like Koch have in mind.

    A world where a very few, very wealthy pay few to no taxes, are subjected to a separate standard of justice than the rest of us, and do as they fucking please to the environment and their workers. The rest of us are kept on our knees, crouching in fear, with no safety net, desperately afraid of losing what little comfort and security we may have.

    I’d want to see their heads on a pike too, if they ever succeeded in getting their way. This is why I loathe the GOP so much. They are not just the party of smaller government and restrained spending (as they have amply proven). They are the party of making the rich richer and throwing the rest of us to the wolves.

  4. 4.

    DougJ

    July 27, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    I like FrumForum. A lot of crazy shit but some sane stuff too, for a conservative blog.

  5. 5.

    arguingwithsignposts

    July 27, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    @DougJ:

    A lot of crazy shit but some sane stuff too, for a conservative blog.

    Fair enough. Frum lost me long ago. I believe it was when he said Obama wasn’t overseeing an economy involved in war on Marketplace.

  6. 6.

    Doctor Science

    July 27, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    Speaking of plutocracy, Jacob Davies made a cool interactive doohickey at Obsidian Wings, showing what we mean by “growing inequality”.

  7. 7.

    Cat Lady

    July 27, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    What, he supports the tea party because he isn’t rich enough? WTF?

    I hate that the Kochs have had their filthy hands on my fair city. If some unnamed MIT buildings burn to the ground soon, it wasn’t me.

  8. 8.

    El Cid

    July 27, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Sigh. There was no lynching of Sherrod’s relative. Several whites merely beat him to death. When will you libs ever learn?

  9. 9.

    TenguPhule

    July 27, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    the Koch brothers set to building something William F. Buckley would have seen as at least more agreeable: groups like the Cato Institute, the Mercatus Center, and Americans for Prosperity.

    This isn’t something to be proud of, this is RICO waiting to happen.

  10. 10.

    Kristine

    July 28, 2010 at 12:01 am

    Love the blog title.

  11. 11.

    JAHILL10

    July 28, 2010 at 12:03 am

    This is news?

    I think the “Rich people are self absorbed, selfish pricks who don’t care about anything but their personal bottom lines” horse is dead now.

    The question is: “What are we people who aren’t super rich and self absorbed going to do about it?”

    This endless hammering on what has been obvious since the 2008 crash is just wearying and self-defeating, especially when you frame it like you have above: “But, sad to say, it’s their world, we’re just living in it.”

    Where’s Tim F. with an activism post we can all get behind and get fired up over? I’m tired of lamenting the prickishness of the pricks.

  12. 12.

    DougJ

    July 28, 2010 at 12:07 am

    @Kristine:

    There will always be a space in my parking lot.

  13. 13.

    Mark S.

    July 28, 2010 at 12:14 am

    If you don’t care about these shitstains’ personal lives, on page 5 we get treated to one of the asshole’s views on global warming:

    Koch says he’s not sure if global warming is caused by human activities, and at any rate, he sees the heating up of the planet as good news. Lengthened growing seasons in the northern hemisphere, he says, will make up for any trauma caused by the slow migration of people away from disappearing coastlines. “The Earth will be able to support enormously more people because a far greater land area will be available to produce food,” he says.

    Or we might be fighting over the last few acres of habitable land in Greenland. Either way, this fuck will be dead by then.

  14. 14.

    General Stuck

    July 28, 2010 at 12:14 am

    OT

    Want to see something really scary.

  15. 15.

    GregB

    July 28, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Another wingnut prattling on about their love of rich Koch’s.

    I wonder if Frum ever worked one of their balls?

  16. 16.

    DougJ

    July 28, 2010 at 12:18 am

    @General Stuck:

    “bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voices.”

    They forgot the most important thing. And they call themselves Real Murkins.

  17. 17.

    General Stuck

    July 28, 2010 at 12:21 am

    @DougJ: Guns?

  18. 18.

    mclaren

    July 28, 2010 at 12:21 am

    A true American hatriot.

  19. 19.

    MattR

    July 28, 2010 at 12:23 am

    @arguingwithsignposts:

    Larry Bird would like a word with his sorry old ass.

    And I think Steve Nash has a couple MVP trophies he would like to show Koch.

    @Mark S.:

    Lengthened growing seasons in the northern hemisphere, he says, will make up for any trauma caused by the slow migration of people away from disappearing coastlines.

    At this point, I would be psyched if we actually have the ability to make a slow migration from the coastline. I think most people believe that the changes are going to be a bit more traumatic.

    (EDIT: Of course, Nash is Canadian so he doesn’t count. And the 40% (I am guessing there) of Americans that live within 75 miles of the coast are not Real Murkins so they don’t count wither)

  20. 20.

    fucen tarmal

    July 28, 2010 at 12:25 am

    @DougJ:

    oh what pleasant company. let him bleed, let him bleed all over tea.

    god that profile sucked , well, koch

  21. 21.

    DougJ

    July 28, 2010 at 12:26 am

    @General Stuck:

    Of course.

  22. 22.

    Cacti

    July 28, 2010 at 12:26 am

    “I played basketball when you could be white and be good,” he says.

    In other words, before black players were allowed to participate. :-P

  23. 23.

    kdaug

    July 28, 2010 at 12:36 am

    I hate to get back on my sawhorse, but…

    1950-80. One person per household could work and afford a home and a car, raise a family, and go on an occasional vacation with the kids. The average CEO made ~30x what the lowest worker made. In that time, we built our cold-war arsenal, created NASA and sent a man to the moon, and paid off all our WWII debt while creating the most vibrant middle-class the world has ever known.

    Top average marginal tax rate: 90%. Now they’re bitching that it might go from 37% to 39%.

    There’s a class war going on, and if your’re reading this you’re likely not winning. Trickle-down is exactly as stupid as it sounds.

  24. 24.

    AnotherBruce

    July 28, 2010 at 12:38 am

    But, sad to say, it’s their world, we’re just living in it.

    Why the defeatist bullshit? It’s a bigger world than any man will understand. Suck it up buttercup!

  25. 25.

    KG

    July 28, 2010 at 12:41 am

    @General Stuck: I’m about 45 minutes from there. I’m half tempted to go see what they do.

  26. 26.

    AnotherBruce

    July 28, 2010 at 12:45 am

    @General Stuck:

    Maybe we can get a group to go to the rally with “piss christ” tee shirts. Really stir things up.

  27. 27.

    MikeJ

    July 28, 2010 at 12:47 am

    @AnotherBruce: A khameez will do the trick.

  28. 28.

    General Stuck

    July 28, 2010 at 12:48 am

    @KG: If you do, don’t get too close, the stoopid might be contagious. :)

    And bring back pics.

  29. 29.

    KG

    July 28, 2010 at 1:07 am

    @General Stuck: I’ll run head long into the stooopid, just as any good anthropologist would.

    Also, too. Here is a story on the situation. There’s some fun stuff in there. This is my favorite (though the Mormon parallel is also fun):

    The Islamic Center has owned its Temecula site – which totals four acres at Nicolas Road and Calle Medusa – for about 10 years, Richardson said. The Islamic Center has operated in Temecula since 1998, and is based in an industrial park on the city’s west side.The Islamic Center is proposing to build a 24,950-square-foot mosque. Its building size and acreage would roughly mirror that of two nearby churches – Calvary Baptist Church and Grace Presbyterian Church. The number of parking spaces proposed for the mosque exceeds the city’s requirements, Richardson said.

  30. 30.

    Ripley

    July 28, 2010 at 1:08 am

    Oddly enough, the rotating ad below this post was for Rand Paul, so that we may help him in his effort to “take back our country.” Back, I assume, to the 19th century.

  31. 31.

    Yutsano

    July 28, 2010 at 1:10 am

    @General Stuck: And yet all I can think of as a decent counterprotest is huge statues of Buddy Christ all over the place.

  32. 32.

    KG

    July 28, 2010 at 1:18 am

    @Yutsano: oh, we can do better than that.

    I want to have a sign that says “My God could beat up your God*”

    And then on a second sign: *If, of course, they weren’t actually the same God based on a common tradition arising out of neighboring civilizations and sharing a common history and mythology. Otherwise, He totally could”

  33. 33.

    Mark S.

    July 28, 2010 at 1:19 am

    @KG:

    I thought the fact that they raised hell over a Mormon church several years ago was interesting. Is this some fundie redoubt?

  34. 34.

    KG

    July 28, 2010 at 1:26 am

    @Mark S.: Temecula is in a red part of the State, in Riverside County. It’s still a rural-ish area. The Congressional District is an R+10, and Issa is their rep.

    That said, I’m not sure if it’s really “fundie” just because it say rapid expansion and then got hit hard when the housing bubble popped.

    ETA: I should also point out that they’ve got quite a few wineries and a pretty sweet Indian house of gaming (FYWP)

  35. 35.

    KG

    July 28, 2010 at 1:31 am

    FYWP – trapped in moderation because of a bad word in my ETA.

    Short version, @Mark S.: it’s a R+10 district represented by Darrell Issa

  36. 36.

    Jager

    July 28, 2010 at 1:46 am

    Temecula is on it’s ass, high unemployment, foreclosures, empty office buildings, in short a fucking mess. And these asses want to stop a construction job to build a 24,000 sq foot building?

  37. 37.

    danimal

    July 28, 2010 at 1:55 am

    @KG: I just might be in Temecula, will get some pix if I get the chance.

    It could be fun to show up with vile protest signs filled with religious bigotry and xenophobia. But I’m afraid that out wingnutting the wingnuts is a fool’s errand.

  38. 38.

    Mark S.

    July 28, 2010 at 2:03 am

    @KG:

    That’s weird. I saw your original comment. I guess the moderation filter sometimes takes its sweet ass time.

  39. 39.

    KG

    July 28, 2010 at 2:07 am

    @Mark S.: nah, just mentioned a word in my ETA that got swept up.

  40. 40.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)

    July 28, 2010 at 2:14 am

    @JAHILL10:

    The question is: “What are we people who aren’t super rich and self absorbed going to do about it?”

    That may be your question. My question is, “What are those of us who aren’t rich, but are self-absorbed going to do?” Can we at least catch the ball game on TV?

  41. 41.

    Yutsano

    July 28, 2010 at 2:26 am

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN): Now how is anyone supposed to get a good poutrage going with you throwing out inconvenient truths like that? Talk about killing a buzz.

    Total side note: I get my biometric information taken next week. :)

  42. 42.

    Ruckus

    July 28, 2010 at 2:53 am

    @kdaug:
    It’s not trickle down, it’s tinkle on.

  43. 43.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 28, 2010 at 3:02 am

    Really? We got nothing better to do than read about whack-jobs who just happened to be born rich? No. Not gonna click. I am in a pissy enough mood as is. Someone give me some FUCK YOU, ASSHOLES! music, please. Thank you.

    P.S. I love my techie brother. He cleaned up my desktop and now it’s better than ever.

    @Ruckus: So, basically the rich are having a golden shower on the rest of society.

    @Yutsano: How did the background check go? Any skeletons in your, um, closet?

  44. 44.

    Yutsano

    July 28, 2010 at 3:28 am

    @asiangrrlMN: Still ongoing, although I have to overnight some crap that they didn’t bother to tell me was missing until today and is due Thursday. I feel like a flea or something.

    And I won’t give David Frum clicks. I have zero issue accepting the summaries provided by DougJ. My life is not incomplete because I don’t read him.

  45. 45.

    Mark S.

    July 28, 2010 at 3:35 am

    @asiangrrlMN:

    I skimmed the article (it’s looong), couldn’t keep track of which brother was which, and decided I didn’t really give a fuck. And can 80 year old guys just accept that their dicks don’t work like they did when they were 20?

  46. 46.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 28, 2010 at 3:35 am

    @Yutsano: Agree with you on the completeness of life re: clicking through to Frum.

    Ah, the joys of bureaucracy! Embrace it, for it is yours now.

  47. 47.

    Yutsano

    July 28, 2010 at 3:46 am

    @Mark S.: Uhh…dude…CiaIis…Vlagra…other little enhancements for the male sexual organ. Which incidentally are covered by virtually every insurance plan out there including the Medicare ones. They sell well for a reason. And when you have more money than Allah it’s all about not accepting reality for as long as possible.

    @asiangrrlMN: Some folks would be daunted and give up. Screw that. It’s a weeding process, and I’m not getting trimmed without a good fight.

  48. 48.

    Joseph Nobles

    July 28, 2010 at 3:51 am

    Well, I thought the click-through was worth learning about how Papa got his Birch freak on: watching his Russian subsidiaries destroyed by the build-up to Stalin’s Great Purge. Oddly enough, the article didn’t go into any details about how friendly Papa might have been with a certain nameless government after that. That probably would be interesting to know.

    And now I’ve got Capitalism: A Love Story on Starz to cleanse the palate.

  49. 49.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 28, 2010 at 3:55 am

    @Joseph Nobles: Thanks for reading and summarizing so I didn’t have to besmirch my innocent mind with that kind of dreck.

    @Mark S.: Like Yutsy said, with that kind of money and with all the dick pills out there, some guys will cling to their dicks past all reason. If they can have sex with twenty-year-old women, then they can fool themselves that they are still young.

    @Yutsano: Nope. You are a fighter AND a lover!

  50. 50.

    Yutsano

    July 28, 2010 at 3:59 am

    @asiangrrlMN: I’m wussing out early tonight though. Have to get up and take care of business before I go through the penultimate day at work. Hee. I said penultimate.

  51. 51.

    asiangrrlMN

    July 28, 2010 at 4:03 am

    @Yutsano: I like the word penultimate. Get some sleep. You are thisclose to the finish line!

  52. 52.

    Mark S.

    July 28, 2010 at 4:06 am

    @Yutsano:
    @asiangrrlMN:

    No disputing any of that. Actually, the one interesting tidbit in that article was that Papa Koch used to be partners with that old fart who married Anna Nicole Smith.

  53. 53.

    burnspbesq

    July 28, 2010 at 4:10 am

    @Yutsano:

    You young whippersnappers. When I joined the Gubmint, all I got was fingerprinted.

    How many years worth of returns do you have to cough up for your new-employee audit?

  54. 54.

    burnspbesq

    July 28, 2010 at 4:18 am

    There are no good outcomes in litigation arising out of the fatal shooting of an innocent civilian by the cops – the victim is, after all, still dead, and his kids still grow up without a father – but $7 million in damages is nothing to sneeze at.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/nyregion/28bell.html?_r=1&hp

  55. 55.

    pablo

    July 28, 2010 at 4:56 am

    Koch is the evil Paul Newman.

  56. 56.

    eco2geek

    July 28, 2010 at 5:51 am

    @Yutsano: If you were planning on committing a crime, now might be a good time, rather than waiting until after they’ve taken your fingerprints and whatnot. :-P

    @burnspbesq: Wow, $7 million. So that’s what finally happened.

  57. 57.

    thalarctos

    July 28, 2010 at 6:04 am

    Hey, dumbass–it’s not just the square acreage that determines if land is arable; it’s the water supply and topography, among many other things. If the atmosphere isn’t humid enough, or is too humid, or the land is at the wrong altitude, it’s a net loss of food production.

    There’s so much FAIL in that statement it would take a dissertation to analyse the rest of it, but that point just leaps right out and begs to be refuted.

  58. 58.

    thalarctos

    July 28, 2010 at 6:16 am

    “Koch says he’s not sure if global warming is caused by human activities, and at any rate, he sees the heating up of the planet as good news. Lengthened growing seasons in the northern hemisphere, he says, will make up for any trauma caused by the slow migration of people away from disappearing coastlines. “The Earth will be able to support enormously more people because a far greater land area will be available to produce food,” he says.”

    Hey, dumbass—it’s not just the square acreage that determines if land is arable; it’s the water supply and topography, among many other things. If the atmosphere isn’t humid enough, or is too humid, or the land is at the wrong altitude, it’s a net loss of food production.

    There’s so much FAIL in that statement it would take a dissertation to analyse the rest of it, but that point just leaps right out and begs to be refuted.

    And FYWP.

  59. 59.

    El Cid

    July 28, 2010 at 6:25 am

    @thalarctos: That ain’t up to you and yer damn ‘science’ and ‘logic’ and shit. Koch knows what’s what because he talks to Jesus.

  60. 60.

    bob h

    July 28, 2010 at 6:42 am

    He has donated enough money to Lincoln Center to get his name on the old New York State Theater. That is about all the good he has ever done.

  61. 61.

    bkny

    July 28, 2010 at 6:53 am

    @thalarctos: that is a developing meme. some gop candidate recently made the same point about the awesomeness of a heating planet.

  62. 62.

    Uloborus

    July 28, 2010 at 7:13 am

    @Joseph Nobles:
    I’m only on page 2 and this is a scary read. They were raised by a paranoid madman. Forget the communism stuff. Living through the so*hrrmhrrm*ism scare of the early 1900s did that to a lot of people. Listening to them defend parents who neglected them but were such control freaks Old Man Koch made them dig ditches and disowned one of his kids for going to the wrong college is so disturbing. Seriously, every sentence reads like a manual of abusive parenting. No wonder his son has only the dimmest connection to reality. He seems to spend money randomly, too. Everything he says and does just seems utterly self-involved. The universe is immediate and personal to him, what he wants and who he’s close to, and everything else is meaningless.

  63. 63.

    kommrade reproductive vigor

    July 28, 2010 at 7:26 am

    I honestly can’t tell you the story of what transpired for fear I might get sued.

    Koch tease.

  64. 64.

    Michael

    July 28, 2010 at 7:29 am

    In my ideal world, David Koch would have to check his car each and every day for bombs, he wouldn’t get to walk down the street without being physically assaulted, would be shunned even by members of his own class and would have to hire food testers just to be sure.

  65. 65.

    Montysano

    July 28, 2010 at 7:52 am

    OT, but while channel surfing last night, I discover that Fox News is using Pamela “Atlas Shrugged” Geller as an analyst?!? WTF? I stopped by for a minute, thinking that maybe she had raised her game. Nope. Same dumbass anti-Muslim rhetoric. Hannity, of course, was lapping it up (heh..).

  66. 66.

    Chris Johnson

    July 28, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Awesomeness of a heating planet is stupid.

    What you get is drastically increased weather violence. All the extremes go up, and the outliers go crazy, because you’re putting energy into a chaotic system whose exuberance is limited by the amount of energy you put in.

    Climate chaos shouldn’t be lightly fooled with. You get stuff like ‘coldest cold snap in the history of winter’ as well as the opposite. Invest in hurricane-relief organizations, not beachfront properties.

  67. 67.

    OhSuzanna

    July 28, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Just remember that truth is an absolute defense. Now, what were you saying about Fred Koch?

  68. 68.

    Shalimar

    July 28, 2010 at 9:37 am

    @El Cid: Beaten to death by police officers, the people in the community you are supposed to be able to trust to protect you from crime. So that makes it less bad than lynching somehow.

  69. 69.

    eyepaddle

    July 28, 2010 at 9:53 am

    @kommrade reproductive vigor:

    From out of nowhere ZING!

    Thanks, I needed the laugh this morning!

  70. 70.

    HyperIon

    July 28, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Fee-fees of the rich and famous

    this is about the twelfth time this week i’ve read something on the web containing the phrase “fees-fees”. way to get on the bandwagon, DougJ.

  71. 71.

    Mark S.

    July 28, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    @bkny:

    That’s what’s awesome about these guys. One week they’ll say there’s no evidence of warming. Next week, they say well it’s getting warmer but it’s not man made, it’s those sunspots. And then the third week they’ll say sure it’s getting warmer and that’s great because plants love CO2. Then they start the process all over again.

  72. 72.

    300baud

    July 28, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    @OhSuzanna:

    Truth is an absolute defense only if you get as far as judgement. As anybody who has been sued can tell you, a legal victory is not the same thing as actual victory.

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