I love NCAA FB. But I really have no interest in watching Alabama beat Duke senseless.
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Corner Stone
Don’t have any feel for how good Texas Tech is this year, but that may at least be interesting.
Hopefully Florida lost their shaky play last week and will trounce TN.
p.s. Nebraska at Washington could be interesting. Cultcha clash.
5.
jwb
@Corner Stone: Given that UT has been slow out of the blocks so far this year, I think Tech might have a shot.
6.
Steve
Michigan State vs. Notre Dame should be pretty interesting for a battle of two unranked teams.
7.
cleter
Let’s see, first game, Florida was scoreless for a quarter, then they went scoreless for two quarters, so I guess today they wait for the fourth quarter to score. That would put them on track to go completely scoreless against Alabama.
Or maybe today will be the day they begin to not-suck.
Northern Illinois starting off well against Illinois. Chandler Harnish is having an insane year so far.
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Bnut
I went down to T-Town last weekend for the Penn State game, or scrimmage, rather. Duke today, but next week starts a brutal 3 game run of Arkansas, Florida, South Carolina. We’ll see if my Tide have the cojones to repeat in a about a month.
Urban Meyer is an ass who runs up the score to prove he can, but if wants to lay 100 on Tenn. he is more than welcome to do so.
You know why there are no prostitutes in Tennessee? They’re all Volunteers.
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Loneoak
Forced to listen to the UMich-UMass game streaming on the intertubes. Stupid fucking BigTen Network. I heard vaguely that all the conference shuffling of late has to do with envy about the BigTen Network profits. If that’s so, the rest of you are about to get screwed too.
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Bnut
@Loneoak
Methinks it has more to do with the retarded money ESPN gave the SEC. Also, Mich-UMass should never be uttered unless it refers to basketball….in the early 90’s.
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Kryptik
I’m happy that WVU is finally comfortably beating someone. 21-0 against Maryland with 10 in the 2nd still left.
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Shalimar
Still watching soccer. Plenty of college football on the rest of the day after Sunderland-Arsenal ends.
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Origuy
Nevada beat Cal last night 52-31. They have the nation’s #1 offense, and play in Reno’s 4400 ft elevation. They’re going to be hard to beat, especially at home.
@trollhattan: That would explain the large amounts of red I saw in downtown on my way home from work yesterday. Even if just for three blocks I counted two sweatshirts and about a dozen hats.
Oh and GO HUSKERS!! Just on general principle.
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AR
As a Maryland fan, I might need to thank WVU. This game will make it far easier for Maryland to fire the entire fucking coaching staff.
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JWL
The Stanford student body once voted to rename their teams the Thunder Chickens. Had that happened, I might care about college football.
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Citizen_X
Yeah, Texas Tech/Texas should be a good game no matter how it turns out.
@trollhattan: What does it mean to have a date “on” a satanic altar? Is she telling us that she made the beast w/two backs on a satanic altar? Does that make O’Donnell a walking Hellmouth or something (cue Omen soundtrack)?
Can you imagine the logo that would have resulted?
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JoePo
Michigan State will go up 35-14 on Notre Dame and ND will come back to either lose in overtime or win 38-35. Happens every year. I like Kelly and I like what he’s doing with the team, but I would really like it if they could paste Michigan State every year.
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Lolis
Think Progress is up with the revelation that Christine O’Donnell “dabbled in witchcraft.” This keeps getting better and better.
The funny thing is Ben Smith that if O’Donnell gets 40% of the vote it is a good signal that Palin could be president. The soft bigotry of low expectations.
The Cal Bears were decent enough to schedule their ass-kicking by the Wolfpack for last night. I was able to switch back and forth between that, the SF Giants being shut out, and Emmerlich’s “10,000 B.C.” where the white man leads the colored people against the Semites. Every time I watch Emmerlich’s movies I always get the feeling that there’s some kind of reactionary racist message hidden in them. But at least the “good guys” won in the movie. Not so much in the world of sports.
Cue the usual Obots telling everyone that a) Obama had nothing to do with this, b) this is the best we can do with the current Congress, and c) fuck you, do you want the Republicans to win?
Well, Michigan is now up 35-17, so hopefully their poor performance in the first half was just some early jitters.
Thank me. As soon as I left East Grand Rapids’ Pioneer Field (where the Pioneer third and fourth graders lost to Caledonia 6-0 on the last play of the game) and turned on the radio, Meesheegun started to turn it around.
No, because it’s a repeal of the law that says that gays aren’t allowed to serve in the military.
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Omnes Omnibus
@Linda Featheringill: This language removes Section 654 from the the US Code. Section 654 is the DADT policy which allows soldiers to be separated from the service if they are gay. If you can no longer separate them from the service if they are gay, they are allowed to serve if they are gay.
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Omnes Omnibus
@Linda Featheringill: This language removes Section 654 from the the US Code. Section 654 is the DADT policy which allows soldiers to be separated from the service if they are gay. If you can no longer separate them from the service if they are gay, they are allowed to serve if they are gay.
Sure, whatever. And Elizabeth Warren will have no power to hire and fire in her new position…Whoops:
Since rumors spilled out about her pending appointment, there have been waves of grumbles that she was somehow being sent to the corner to languish, which sparked several questions about the scope of her authority. Rest assured, this appointment is no symbolic gesture to flip off progressives or appear to be responsive. It’s the real deal. Warren again, in her own words:
—
“I have authority to hire, fire, set direction, budget and priorities.”
This DADT repeal is a classic case of ‘Damned if you do, damned if you don’t”. If the military takes more than a minute to make contingencies and train the lower level management (from company down to squad level)the purity police bitch. If there’s just an immediate repeal and a gay soldier is fragged a week or two after coming out, the purity police bitch. Beauty.
Hmmm….It doesn’t in the NFL, because it’s just an “attempt failed” that can’t result in a score for the defenders or a change of possession…But since a turnover can result in points for the defender in college….
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Mark S.
It’s not repealed until a bunch of conditions are met.
1. The Secretary of Defense receives the “study.”
2. The President, the Secretary of Defense, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs certify that:
– They have considered the recommendations in the study
– DOD has prepared the necessary policies and regulations needed to implement a repeal
– The implementation of the repeal is consistent with the standards of military readiness, military effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and retention.
All fine and dandy, if they do it. Until then, DADT stays in effect. If they screw around and don’t do anything for a couple of years, President Palin and Defense Secretary Bill Kristol are under no obligation to ever send in the report, and DADT is still law.
@Andy K: Thanks, Andy! Though, now that we have given up 30 points so far to Massachusetts, our defense clearly needs to step it up. Hopefully they’ll at least be able to hold on today.
@Mark S.: Which is why we progressives need to stay focused on fighting for our side so that there is not a President Palin, Defense Secretary Kristol, Speaker Boehner, or Senate Majority leader McConnell. Progressive change has always been a long, continuing struggle. We are making progress – let’s make sure we keep it going.
@Linda Featheringill: Mark S. is correct that there are steps that must be taken before the law takes effect, but deciding that those steps constitute an attempt to half-step the issue is, I believe, a bit paranoid.
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sherifffruitfly
UM wins. But damn they got nothin to be proud about – umass ran up 37 points on em.
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You Don't Say
@freelancer: Pence? Wow. And Palin and Romney behind Gingrich.
Thank the stars that third and fourth graders don’t attempt many passes, or I wouldn’t have tuned in until the post-game show. Of tomorrow’s Packers’ game.
But, man, those little kids are fun to watch. Almost anything can happen.
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NobodySpecial
@Omnes Omnibus: I’d not worry about looking for houses in Europe. No way in hell Obama loses in ’12 to the crop the Republicans have.
Well, I might be a tad paranoid and I will happily eat my words if DADT gets repealed in a timely manner (like in the next 6 months). I’m a little pissed because this is something that should have done earlier. 70-80% support allowing gays to serve openly, and the people who oppose it aren’t the kind of people who ever vote Democrat anyway.
It has been confirmed that the corpse of Bob Ufer actually began to turn in its grave midway through the second quarter, but now rests calmly and motionless.
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beltane
@Omnes Omnibus: My husband is Dutch. The knowledge that there is another country that would take us immediately is strangely reassuring though I hope it never comes to that.
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Omnes Omnibus
@Mark S.: I understand that, but legislation frequently contains language like that especially if it is designed to repeal previous legislation. Policies and procedures have to be prepared and disseminated throughout the military. I think it is important that this be done right.
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John S.
No way in hell Obama loses in ‘12 to the crop the Republicans have.
Yes, no way that happens with another 2 years of Obama throwing liberals under the bus and the true progressives mounting a primary challenge, or even backing a 3rd party candidate.
Just like no way Republicans can take back control of congress after having fucked the country over royally not more than a couple years ago. No way in hell that can happen.
74.
NobodySpecial
@John S.: Defeatist much? Given your track record, Miss Cleo, I now consider ’10 in the bag for the Dems.
You’re retarded if you think that winning local elections with a few hundred thousands of voters in any way compares to a national Presidential election.
Unless something significant happens, there’s approximately 0 chance of Obama losing. I know folks like you are happy for Democrats to lose until they’re as saintly perfect as you are, but you’re just gonna have to live with whining about Obama for the full 8 years.
I went out canvassing this morning for my congressman, Jim Moran. Lots of people not home, but otherwise it went well. It’s a safe seat, but that’s only assured if we make the effort.
I’m getting lots of appeals to go work for Gerry Connolly next door, and he definitely has a much tougher fight, but I can’t bring myself to do it. Moran’s canvassing script highlights his support for health care reform and climate change legislation first thing (as well as lots of examples of bringing home the bacon); Connolly’s “issues” page on his campaign website starts with tax cuts (including being cited by the WSJ for his support of the Bush tax cuts for the rich), followed by his concern about the deficit. HCR gets a brief mention three-quarters of the way down the page. Literally the only reasons to vote for him are the ‘D’ next to his name and the fact that his opponent is a serious wingnut.
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sherifffruitfly
Eeesh. Huskies are sucking even worse than UM today. Sigh.
Wonder how Derrick Dickey is enjoying his first year as warden of Volcatraz?
@LONEOAK
Speaking of Big Ten Network, you can watch a high scoring game this afternoon. Since the IU Hosers can’t stop the run, and my Toppers can’t stop anything, the final score might be 68-53. Bobby Rainey might run for 200 and Ben Chappell might pass for 400.
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Davis X. Machina
@sherifffruitfly: This dreadful outcome could be avoided by one simple thing: a successful Dean/Franken/Kucinich/Clark/Clinton/Grayson/Weiner/Feingold/Waters/Jackson-Lee/Sherrod Brown/Shirley Sherrod/Walter Mosler primary challenge.
But the problem this raises in turn is, is there any vehicle with a bumper big enough for the sticker that is in any way also environmentally responsible?
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J sub D
The 3-0 U of M Wolverines ain’t going anywhere this season (defense, less defense and no defense).
Still, Denard Robinson was 10 of 14 for 241 yards with one interception, two TDs and ran 17 times for 104 yards
The guy is special.
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John S.
How the fuck did so many of you get beat with the stupid stick? Jesus.
Republicans cannot win jack shit in this day and age. They don’t need to. They can rely on the Democrats to tear each other to pieces and simply hand them a victory. I don’t want this to happen, and if I had my way, Republicans would never get near the levers of power again. I still hope enough Democrats can cease their pity parties long enough to go out and vote in 2 months to make sure that doesn’t happen.
And I hope in 2 years time, enough of you can get over your personal vendettas against Obama to turn out and vote so that we don’t get stuck with president Palin. I am optimistic, but I am not 100% certain. Having a false sense of inevitably like Nobody Special paves the way towards defeat. I prefer cautious vigilance.
90.
John S.
Whose gonna beat him?
Man you’re fucking dense. Two years ago, who would have predicted any of the shit that went down this year. I mean Marco Rubio is looking like my next senator. Crazy fucking Sharron Angle is only a couple points behind the Senate majority leader.
Pull your head our of your ass and realize that in politics, 2 years is an eternity. And nothing is inevitable. Otherwise, we would have had Clinton vs. Giuliani in 2008.
And nothing is inevitable. Otherwise, we would have had Clinton vs. Giuliani in 2008.
That was my prediction in early 2008. Fortunately, egg comes off the face rather easily.
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Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: I was in Mexico a couple years ago and met two beautiful young girls from The Netherlands. One spoke 3 languages and was learning her 4th, and the other spoke 4 and was perfecting her Spanish.
Really nice people.
given that the election is more than two years away, any prediction is absurd.
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Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: I spent some time in Amsterdam and Maastricht during Eurotrip 2010 back in May and June. We stayed with friends in Amsterdam and got to see the city from a native’s POV. Good times.
@Omnes Omnibus:
my father is a college English teacher, and he did a teacher exchange with a teacher from Masstricht. they swapped houses and jobs for a year. i only got to spend a few weeks, but they were fully into the lifestyle by the time i got over there – riding bikes, taking buses, eating a lot of cheese. very nice place. great city. best beer i ever had.
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Omnes Omnibus
@cleek: The beer in Bruges was better, but that’s just me being picky. Did you know the real D’Artagnan was killed during a siege of Maastricht?
Yah…. they tried the candidatefromnowhere last time. Result is fairly well-known.
It’s all good. You guys can keep on with your nobodycanpredict. Hear me now, believe me later.
And by GAWD the huskies suck. Want my old Jake Locker back plz. kkthx!
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Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: We had a lot of convo over dinner for the week I was there. It was funny to me that one of their parents “moved across the country” and it was 45 minutes away from the old place.
Being from Houston I found that amusing.
We also talked about education, health care, vacations, work expectations, the whole gamut. At least from their 19 and 20 yr old viewpoints.
Just a whole different world/worldview I had never had the good fortune to peak into before that time.
ETA – I was there for a week and they were both there for a solid month on holiday. Kind of depressed me a little.
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Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: My wife is originally from Europe; it is interesting when we talk to her friends and family about traveling and distances.
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Omnes Omnibus
Wisconsin is finally stepping up.
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fasteddie9318
I see Pope Ratso is still peddling the “HITLER WAS AN ATHEIST” bullshit. Is the Catholic Church exempt from Godwin, or what?
Duke got a touchdown. Mission accomplished. Now let’s get through the second half without any injuries to key personnel. The ACC is so weak, this could be the year we go to a bowl game.
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stuckinred
@Kobie: Yea, we try to throw deep on 3d and 4 and a chance to win and then the best punter in the country shanks one and gives he hogs the ball on the 40. Any stiff could have done what he did.
The President of the World Chess Federation (FIDE) Kirsan Ilyumzhinov has offered to the Mayor of New York to buy a land plot, where the Islamic community plans to build a mosque, and to erect a world chess center there. . . “If this offer is accepted, the world chess center will be built in the form of a chess figure, the king, of glass and concrete, which will decorate the city of New York,”
@eemom: I think he’ll win in any case; the only reason the district was Republican so long was that Tom Davis was really good at getting federal funding and was a pretty vicious campaigner. Connolly’s running against Fimian, who he beat last time. He doesn’t have Obama’s coattails this time, but he’s an incumbent now.
This is my dilemma as an activist in this election. I’m not unmotivated or demoralized, but my rep barely needs me, and the nearest one who kinda does, well, pretty much sucks. I don’t have much spare cash for better candidates across the country.
I guess I’ll spend most of my time maintaining my precinct, updating our voter rolls to keep us solid blue. Necessary work, but not as exciting as campaigning.
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sherifffruitfly
Ok I can’t take this game any more.
sigh.
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Kobie
@stuckinred: It was shit coverage on that TD, too. I was referring more to his performance the entire game, not just that last drive. Great arm, good vision.
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stuckinred
@Kobie: Yea, he’s ok but I’m pretty fucking bummed out sitting my ass in the boiling sun to watch a replay of LSU last year. And actually his second half wasn’t all that great save the last “drive”.
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Allison W.
Wow Mark S.! Linda said she didn’t see the language in the bill for DADT, ASKED for help and without blinking you started calling people names and already (w/o proof) believed that DADT repeal was actually not put in the bill. And when proven wrong you come back with some ‘it ain’t over til its over’ nonsense.
I guess I’ll spend most of my time maintaining my precinct, updating our voter rolls to keep us solid blue. Necessary work, but not as exciting as campaigning.
Still most Righteous Work, for which you shall rightly be blessed.
Hope you’re right about Gerry the Big Blue Dog pulling it off. Just makes me nervous seeing all these Fimian signs and knowing how closely purple the district is. Also the ongoing horror of McDonnell/Cuccinnelli weighs heavily on my mind.
Last Tuesday I went to Back To School night at my daughter’s HS and Fimmie had one of his grinning ghouls there standing outside the door and acting like she was handing out something relevant to the event until you got close enough to hear her say “Fimian.” I recoiled with a disgusted snort and a parting snarl to “leave us alone on Back to School Night” that I can only hope took at least a tiny bit of wind out of her wingnut sails.
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Origuy
@stuckinred:
Hail to the Orange, Hail to the Blue.
Hail Alma Mater, ever so true (so true)
We love no other, so let our motto be:
Victory Illinois VAAARRRSIIIITYYYYYYY!
Why does this crap stick with me after 32 years, but I can’t remember what I’m supposed to do tomorrow?
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Origuy
Where did everyone go? Did I kill another thread?
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Shalimar
@sherifffruitfly: Look, I doubt you will find anyone here who doesn’t think Obama is a heavy favorite to win reelection in 2012. The economy will be better, the Republicans will be crazier and he rarely does anything offensive to anyone who would consider voting for him. But saying he is the heavy favorite is very different from saying he 100% will be reelected. You just can’t know that. Many things could happen between now and then that aren’t foreseeable.
The most obvious one would be if the country slipped into a depression. It seems very unlikely, but then so did the severity of the 2008 crisis two years before it happened. It wouldn’t matter how calm and reassured Obama is, or how crazy the Republican candidate is. A president who leads us into a Depression is not going to get re-elected.
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c u n d gulag
Is there even a decent game on this week?
Corner Stone
I love NCAA FB. But I really have no interest in watching Alabama beat Duke senseless.
Corner Stone
Don’t have any feel for how good Texas Tech is this year, but that may at least be interesting.
Hopefully Florida lost their shaky play last week and will trounce TN.
trollhattan
Heh, Maher proves to be useful after all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECxQUi_pr0&feature=player_embedded
Soon, everyone in Delaware will be a newt.
p.s. Nebraska at Washington could be interesting. Cultcha clash.
jwb
@Corner Stone: Given that UT has been slow out of the blocks so far this year, I think Tech might have a shot.
Steve
Michigan State vs. Notre Dame should be pretty interesting for a battle of two unranked teams.
cleter
Let’s see, first game, Florida was scoreless for a quarter, then they went scoreless for two quarters, so I guess today they wait for the fourth quarter to score. That would put them on track to go completely scoreless against Alabama.
Or maybe today will be the day they begin to not-suck.
roshan
English Comedian Stewart Lee on “Pope Benedict XVI and his red shoes”
NobodySpecial
Northern Illinois starting off well against Illinois. Chandler Harnish is having an insane year so far.
Bnut
I went down to T-Town last weekend for the Penn State game, or scrimmage, rather. Duke today, but next week starts a brutal 3 game run of Arkansas, Florida, South Carolina. We’ll see if my Tide have the cojones to repeat in a about a month.
Urban Meyer is an ass who runs up the score to prove he can, but if wants to lay 100 on Tenn. he is more than welcome to do so.
You know why there are no prostitutes in Tennessee? They’re all Volunteers.
Loneoak
Forced to listen to the UMich-UMass game streaming on the intertubes. Stupid fucking BigTen Network. I heard vaguely that all the conference shuffling of late has to do with envy about the BigTen Network profits. If that’s so, the rest of you are about to get screwed too.
Bnut
@Loneoak
Methinks it has more to do with the retarded money ESPN gave the SEC. Also, Mich-UMass should never be uttered unless it refers to basketball….in the early 90’s.
Kryptik
I’m happy that WVU is finally comfortably beating someone. 21-0 against Maryland with 10 in the 2nd still left.
Shalimar
Still watching soccer. Plenty of college football on the rest of the day after Sunderland-Arsenal ends.
Origuy
Nevada beat Cal last night 52-31. They have the nation’s #1 offense, and play in Reno’s 4400 ft elevation. They’re going to be hard to beat, especially at home.
Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle
Cole:
When did you become a Ke$ha fan?
Yutsano
@trollhattan: That would explain the large amounts of red I saw in downtown on my way home from work yesterday. Even if just for three blocks I counted two sweatshirts and about a dozen hats.
Oh and GO HUSKERS!! Just on general principle.
AR
As a Maryland fan, I might need to thank WVU. This game will make it far easier for Maryland to fire the entire fucking coaching staff.
JWL
The Stanford student body once voted to rename their teams the Thunder Chickens. Had that happened, I might care about college football.
Citizen_X
Yeah, Texas Tech/Texas should be a good game no matter how it turns out.
@trollhattan: What does it mean to have a date “on” a satanic altar? Is she telling us that she made the beast w/two backs on a satanic altar? Does that make O’Donnell a walking Hellmouth or something (cue Omen soundtrack)?
Kryptik
@JWL:
Can you imagine the logo that would have resulted?
JoePo
Michigan State will go up 35-14 on Notre Dame and ND will come back to either lose in overtime or win 38-35. Happens every year. I like Kelly and I like what he’s doing with the team, but I would really like it if they could paste Michigan State every year.
Lolis
Think Progress is up with the revelation that Christine O’Donnell “dabbled in witchcraft.” This keeps getting better and better.
The funny thing is Ben Smith that if O’Donnell gets 40% of the vote it is a good signal that Palin could be president. The soft bigotry of low expectations.
Loneoak
@JWL:
We at Santa Cruz voted to rename our mascot the Banana Slugs. But we don’t play any real sports–just Div III tennis and women’s rugby.
Bob In Pacifica
The Cal Bears were decent enough to schedule their ass-kicking by the Wolfpack for last night. I was able to switch back and forth between that, the SF Giants being shut out, and Emmerlich’s “10,000 B.C.” where the white man leads the colored people against the Semites. Every time I watch Emmerlich’s movies I always get the feeling that there’s some kind of reactionary racist message hidden in them. But at least the “good guys” won in the movie. Not so much in the world of sports.
Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle
@Lolis: That wasn’t even the best part of the revelation. ;-)
sherifffruitfly
what the fuck is wrong with michigan, and why can’t i find the game on any of my usual pirate streaming websites?????
I WANT MY FOOTBALL BACK!
NobodySpecial
@sherifffruitfly:
FTFY.
Coastal Mike
Stanford vs. Wake Forest prediction: final score 76-54 but I’m not sure who wins.
You Don't Say
And what is wrong with Georgia?
cleek
Montana GOP: Banz teh Faggortz!
cleek
Montana GOP: Ban teh faggortz!
Moses2317
@sherifffruitfly: Well, Michigan is now up 35-17, so hopefully their poor performance in the first half was just some early jitters.
And Denard Robinson is already up to 337 yards of total offense.
Winning Progressive
Loneoak
@sherifffruitfly:
What are your usual sites? I needz them.
Linda Featheringill
Not football but I would like some advice:
DADT.
Bill and summary can be found at:
http://gay.americablog.com/2010/05/text-of-dadt-repeal-legislation.html
I did not find any language that stated that gays would still be allowed to serve in the military, openly or otherwise.
Do you know?
Mark S.
Intellectual Ideas Renaissance Man Newt Gingrich calls for Federal ban in Sharia Law.
Where do they come up with this shit?
Mark S.
@Linda Featheringill:
Wow, that’s garbage.
Cue the usual Obots telling everyone that a) Obama had nothing to do with this, b) this is the best we can do with the current Congress, and c) fuck you, do you want the Republicans to win?
Andy K
@JoePo:
Except for that recent four or five year streak where the Spartans beat Our Lady every year.
Andy K
@Moses2317:
Thank me. As soon as I left East Grand Rapids’ Pioneer Field (where the Pioneer third and fourth graders lost to Caledonia 6-0 on the last play of the game) and turned on the radio, Meesheegun started to turn it around.
Andy K
@Linda Featheringill:
No, because it’s a repeal of the law that says that gays aren’t allowed to serve in the military.
Omnes Omnibus
@Linda Featheringill: This language removes Section 654 from the the US Code. Section 654 is the DADT policy which allows soldiers to be separated from the service if they are gay. If you can no longer separate them from the service if they are gay, they are allowed to serve if they are gay.
Omnes Omnibus
@Linda Featheringill: This language removes Section 654 from the the US Code. Section 654 is the DADT policy which allows soldiers to be separated from the service if they are gay. If you can no longer separate them from the service if they are gay, they are allowed to serve if they are gay.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mark S.: Please tell me you are not a lawyer.
sherifffruitfly
Looky at that – UM up 42-24, right as I find my pirate stream.
All is right with the world
:smug:
Loneoak
@sherifffruitfly:
Dood, how does one find these streams? I keep striking out (/mixed sports metaphor).
sherifffruitfly
@Loneoak:
This time, as always, I find them by scrolling thru the comments at espn:
http://espn.go.com/ncf/conversation?gameId=302610130
Andy K
@Mark S.:
Sure, whatever. And Elizabeth Warren will have no power to hire and fire in her new position…Whoops:
This DADT repeal is a classic case of ‘Damned if you do, damned if you don’t”. If the military takes more than a minute to make contingencies and train the lower level management (from company down to squad level)the purity police bitch. If there’s just an immediate repeal and a gay soldier is fragged a week or two after coming out, the purity police bitch. Beauty.
You Don't Say
@Mark S.: You look silly.
You Don't Say
Georgia ties it up!
sherifffruitfly
If offense goes for 2 point conversion, and it gets intercepted, does it go down in the books as an actual INT?
Andy K
@sherifffruitfly:
Hmmm….It doesn’t in the NFL, because it’s just an “attempt failed” that can’t result in a score for the defenders or a change of possession…But since a turnover can result in points for the defender in college….
Mark S.
It’s not repealed until a bunch of conditions are met.
1. The Secretary of Defense receives the “study.”
2. The President, the Secretary of Defense, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs certify that:
– They have considered the recommendations in the study
– DOD has prepared the necessary policies and regulations needed to implement a repeal
– The implementation of the repeal is consistent with the standards of military readiness, military effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and retention.
All fine and dandy, if they do it. Until then, DADT stays in effect. If they screw around and don’t do anything for a couple of years, President Palin and Defense Secretary Bill Kristol are under no obligation to ever send in the report, and DADT is still law.
Moses2317
@Andy K: Thanks, Andy! Though, now that we have given up 30 points so far to Massachusetts, our defense clearly needs to step it up. Hopefully they’ll at least be able to hold on today.
Winning Progressive
sherifffruitfly
ouch pass interference on umich. umass bout to score again. lols
Moses2317
@Mark S.: Which is why we progressives need to stay focused on fighting for our side so that there is not a President Palin, Defense Secretary Kristol, Speaker Boehner, or Senate Majority leader McConnell. Progressive change has always been a long, continuing struggle. We are making progress – let’s make sure we keep it going.
Winning Progressive
You Don't Say
@You Don’t Say: And Arkansas scores. Georgia now 0-2. Ugh.
Linda Featheringill
To Andy K and Omnes Omnibus:
Thanks, guys. I can now start pushing for passage of this bill.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
:-)
freelancer
Values Voter freakshow Straw Poll:
President
1) Pence
2) Huckabee
3) Gingrich
4) Romney
5) Palin
VP:
1) Palin
2) Santorum
Omnes Omnibus
@Linda Featheringill: Mark S. is correct that there are steps that must be taken before the law takes effect, but deciding that those steps constitute an attempt to half-step the issue is, I believe, a bit paranoid.
sherifffruitfly
UM wins. But damn they got nothin to be proud about – umass ran up 37 points on em.
You Don't Say
@freelancer: Pence? Wow. And Palin and Romney behind Gingrich.
Moses2317
Well, that was way too close for comfort, but at least the Wolverine’s pulled it out. Go Blue!
Winning Progressive
Moses2317
Well, that was way too close for comfort, but at least the Wolverines pulled it out. Go Blue!
Winning Progressive
Omnes Omnibus
@freelancer: Well, either Obama wins a second term or I look into moving to the Netherlands.
Andy K
@Moses2317:
De nada.
Thank the stars that third and fourth graders don’t attempt many passes, or I wouldn’t have tuned in until the post-game show. Of tomorrow’s Packers’ game.
But, man, those little kids are fun to watch. Almost anything can happen.
NobodySpecial
@Omnes Omnibus: I’d not worry about looking for houses in Europe. No way in hell Obama loses in ’12 to the crop the Republicans have.
Mark S.
@Omnes Omnibus:
Well, I might be a tad paranoid and I will happily eat my words if DADT gets repealed in a timely manner (like in the next 6 months). I’m a little pissed because this is something that should have done earlier. 70-80% support allowing gays to serve openly, and the people who oppose it aren’t the kind of people who ever vote Democrat anyway.
freelancer (itouch)
Red out in Seattle! Damn, it looks like a third of the state went to Washington.
sherifffruitfly
EVERYONE STOP EVERYTHING!
Huskies are about to start playing. \o/
Andy K
@sherifffruitfly:
It has been confirmed that the corpse of Bob Ufer actually began to turn in its grave midway through the second quarter, but now rests calmly and motionless.
beltane
@Omnes Omnibus: My husband is Dutch. The knowledge that there is another country that would take us immediately is strangely reassuring though I hope it never comes to that.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mark S.: I understand that, but legislation frequently contains language like that especially if it is designed to repeal previous legislation. Policies and procedures have to be prepared and disseminated throughout the military. I think it is important that this be done right.
John S.
Yes, no way that happens with another 2 years of Obama throwing liberals under the bus and the true progressives mounting a primary challenge, or even backing a 3rd party candidate.
Just like no way Republicans can take back control of congress after having fucked the country over royally not more than a couple years ago. No way in hell that can happen.
NobodySpecial
@John S.: Defeatist much? Given your track record, Miss Cleo, I now consider ’10 in the bag for the Dems.
freelancer (itouch)
@sherifffruitfly:
FTFY
Beware our Secondary and T. Martinez.
sherifffruitfly
@John S.:
You’re retarded if you think that winning local elections with a few hundred thousands of voters in any way compares to a national Presidential election.
Unless something significant happens, there’s approximately 0 chance of Obama losing. I know folks like you are happy for Democrats to lose until they’re as saintly perfect as you are, but you’re just gonna have to live with whining about Obama for the full 8 years.
sherifffruitfly
@freelancer (itouch):
Gah – looks like Huskies just aren’t ready for primetime.
lols
We’ll see how they bounce back, but I’m not optimistic.
Keith G
I missed that. How did that happen?
NobodySpecial
Well, darn. NIU just couldn’t do it. Shame.
cleek
@sherifffruitfly:
hilarious.
Mark S.
@sherifffruitfly:
Like we still have 10% unemployment? Most people still blame the Republicans for the shitty economy, but I doubt they’ll still think that way in 2012.
Disclaimer: If I were a betting man, I would bet on Obama in 2012. I just don’t think it’s a lock.
Redshift
I went out canvassing this morning for my congressman, Jim Moran. Lots of people not home, but otherwise it went well. It’s a safe seat, but that’s only assured if we make the effort.
I’m getting lots of appeals to go work for Gerry Connolly next door, and he definitely has a much tougher fight, but I can’t bring myself to do it. Moran’s canvassing script highlights his support for health care reform and climate change legislation first thing (as well as lots of examples of bringing home the bacon); Connolly’s “issues” page on his campaign website starts with tax cuts (including being cited by the WSJ for his support of the Bush tax cuts for the rich), followed by his concern about the deficit. HCR gets a brief mention three-quarters of the way down the page. Literally the only reasons to vote for him are the ‘D’ next to his name and the fact that his opponent is a serious wingnut.
sherifffruitfly
Eeesh. Huskies are sucking even worse than UM today. Sigh.
Christine
http://satanssenator.blogspot.com/
sherifffruitfly
@cleek:
Whose gonna beat him?
And done.
jake the snake
@Bnut
Wonder how Derrick Dickey is enjoying his first year as warden of Volcatraz?
@LONEOAK
Speaking of Big Ten Network, you can watch a high scoring game this afternoon. Since the IU Hosers can’t stop the run, and my Toppers can’t stop anything, the final score might be 68-53. Bobby Rainey might run for 200 and Ben Chappell might pass for 400.
Davis X. Machina
@sherifffruitfly: This dreadful outcome could be avoided by one simple thing: a successful Dean/Franken/Kucinich/Clark/Clinton/Grayson/Weiner/Feingold/Waters/Jackson-Lee/Sherrod Brown/Shirley Sherrod/Walter Mosler primary challenge.
But the problem this raises in turn is, is there any vehicle with a bumper big enough for the sticker that is in any way also environmentally responsible?
J sub D
The 3-0 U of M Wolverines ain’t going anywhere this season (defense, less defense and no defense).
Still, Denard Robinson was 10 of 14 for 241 yards with one interception, two TDs and ran 17 times for 104 yards
The guy is special.
John S.
How the fuck did so many of you get beat with the stupid stick? Jesus.
Republicans cannot win jack shit in this day and age. They don’t need to. They can rely on the Democrats to tear each other to pieces and simply hand them a victory. I don’t want this to happen, and if I had my way, Republicans would never get near the levers of power again. I still hope enough Democrats can cease their pity parties long enough to go out and vote in 2 months to make sure that doesn’t happen.
And I hope in 2 years time, enough of you can get over your personal vendettas against Obama to turn out and vote so that we don’t get stuck with president Palin. I am optimistic, but I am not 100% certain. Having a false sense of inevitably like Nobody Special paves the way towards defeat. I prefer cautious vigilance.
John S.
Man you’re fucking dense. Two years ago, who would have predicted any of the shit that went down this year. I mean Marco Rubio is looking like my next senator. Crazy fucking Sharron Angle is only a couple points behind the Senate majority leader.
Pull your head our of your ass and realize that in politics, 2 years is an eternity. And nothing is inevitable. Otherwise, we would have had Clinton vs. Giuliani in 2008.
J sub D
@John S.:
That was my prediction in early 2008. Fortunately, egg comes off the face rather easily.
Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: I was in Mexico a couple years ago and met two beautiful young girls from The Netherlands. One spoke 3 languages and was learning her 4th, and the other spoke 4 and was perfecting her Spanish.
Really nice people.
cleek
@sherifffruitfly:
given that the election is more than two years away, any prediction is absurd.
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: I spent some time in Amsterdam and Maastricht during Eurotrip 2010 back in May and June. We stayed with friends in Amsterdam and got to see the city from a native’s POV. Good times.
cleek
@Omnes Omnibus:
my father is a college English teacher, and he did a teacher exchange with a teacher from Masstricht. they swapped houses and jobs for a year. i only got to spend a few weeks, but they were fully into the lifestyle by the time i got over there – riding bikes, taking buses, eating a lot of cheese. very nice place. great city. best beer i ever had.
Omnes Omnibus
@cleek: The beer in Bruges was better, but that’s just me being picky. Did you know the real D’Artagnan was killed during a siege of Maastricht?
elmertfudd
A friend’s post on Facebook:
Pedophile sympathizer and cult leader arrives in Britain warning of ‘atheist extremism’
He should write for the Onion.
sherifffruitfly
Yah…. they tried the candidatefromnowhere last time. Result is fairly well-known.
It’s all good. You guys can keep on with your nobodycanpredict. Hear me now, believe me later.
And by GAWD the huskies suck. Want my old Jake Locker back plz. kkthx!
Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: We had a lot of convo over dinner for the week I was there. It was funny to me that one of their parents “moved across the country” and it was 45 minutes away from the old place.
Being from Houston I found that amusing.
We also talked about education, health care, vacations, work expectations, the whole gamut. At least from their 19 and 20 yr old viewpoints.
Just a whole different world/worldview I had never had the good fortune to peak into before that time.
ETA – I was there for a week and they were both there for a solid month on holiday. Kind of depressed me a little.
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: My wife is originally from Europe; it is interesting when we talk to her friends and family about traveling and distances.
Omnes Omnibus
Wisconsin is finally stepping up.
fasteddie9318
I see Pope Ratso is still peddling the “HITLER WAS AN ATHEIST” bullshit. Is the Catholic Church exempt from Godwin, or what?
eemom
@Redshift:
I know. I’m in Connolly’s district, trying to get the enthusiasm on. : (
From what I recall in ’08, he isn’t even much of a campaigner.
freelancer (itouch)
@sherifffruitfly:
It’s okay, they’re still in it. One thing we suck at so far this year is maintaining momentum in the 2nd half.
Keith G
@J sub D:
We will see on Oct. 16.
Kobie
Ryan Mallett is the real deal.
burnspbesq
Duke got a touchdown. Mission accomplished. Now let’s get through the second half without any injuries to key personnel. The ACC is so weak, this could be the year we go to a bowl game.
stuckinred
@Kobie: Yea, we try to throw deep on 3d and 4 and a chance to win and then the best punter in the country shanks one and gives he hogs the ball on the 40. Any stiff could have done what he did.
stuckinred
@NobodySpecial: Oskeewow!
Mark S.
Well, this would be different:
Kirsan is a nutcase who is also the President (dictator) of the semi-autonomous republic of Kalmykia in Russia.
Redshift
@eemom: I think he’ll win in any case; the only reason the district was Republican so long was that Tom Davis was really good at getting federal funding and was a pretty vicious campaigner. Connolly’s running against Fimian, who he beat last time. He doesn’t have Obama’s coattails this time, but he’s an incumbent now.
This is my dilemma as an activist in this election. I’m not unmotivated or demoralized, but my rep barely needs me, and the nearest one who kinda does, well, pretty much sucks. I don’t have much spare cash for better candidates across the country.
I guess I’ll spend most of my time maintaining my precinct, updating our voter rolls to keep us solid blue. Necessary work, but not as exciting as campaigning.
sherifffruitfly
Ok I can’t take this game any more.
sigh.
Kobie
@stuckinred: It was shit coverage on that TD, too. I was referring more to his performance the entire game, not just that last drive. Great arm, good vision.
stuckinred
@Kobie: Yea, he’s ok but I’m pretty fucking bummed out sitting my ass in the boiling sun to watch a replay of LSU last year. And actually his second half wasn’t all that great save the last “drive”.
Allison W.
Wow Mark S.! Linda said she didn’t see the language in the bill for DADT, ASKED for help and without blinking you started calling people names and already (w/o proof) believed that DADT repeal was actually not put in the bill. And when proven wrong you come back with some ‘it ain’t over til its over’ nonsense.
sigh.
eemom
@Redshift:
Still most Righteous Work, for which you shall rightly be blessed.
Hope you’re right about Gerry the Big Blue Dog pulling it off. Just makes me nervous seeing all these Fimian signs and knowing how closely purple the district is. Also the ongoing horror of McDonnell/Cuccinnelli weighs heavily on my mind.
Last Tuesday I went to Back To School night at my daughter’s HS and Fimmie had one of his grinning ghouls there standing outside the door and acting like she was handing out something relevant to the event until you got close enough to hear her say “Fimian.” I recoiled with a disgusted snort and a parting snarl to “leave us alone on Back to School Night” that I can only hope took at least a tiny bit of wind out of her wingnut sails.
Origuy
@stuckinred:
Hail to the Orange, Hail to the Blue.
Hail Alma Mater, ever so true (so true)
We love no other, so let our motto be:
Victory Illinois VAAARRRSIIIITYYYYYYY!
Why does this crap stick with me after 32 years, but I can’t remember what I’m supposed to do tomorrow?
Origuy
Where did everyone go? Did I kill another thread?
Shalimar
@sherifffruitfly: Look, I doubt you will find anyone here who doesn’t think Obama is a heavy favorite to win reelection in 2012. The economy will be better, the Republicans will be crazier and he rarely does anything offensive to anyone who would consider voting for him. But saying he is the heavy favorite is very different from saying he 100% will be reelected. You just can’t know that. Many things could happen between now and then that aren’t foreseeable.
The most obvious one would be if the country slipped into a depression. It seems very unlikely, but then so did the severity of the 2008 crisis two years before it happened. It wouldn’t matter how calm and reassured Obama is, or how crazy the Republican candidate is. A president who leads us into a Depression is not going to get re-elected.