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Just for fun

by DougJ|  September 27, 20105:12 pm| 108 Comments

This post is in: Blogospheric Navel-Gazing, Manic Progressive

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I’m sure this makes me a hippie-puncher, as well as a nut-picker, but this comment from FDL cracked me up:

Hey Obama, bought-off puppet, like we give a fuck anymore, let alone about parsing your bullshit-spouting spokesdouchebags.

Post-Obama, people. I mean, come on. To even pay attention to this flapdoodle is Veal Pen.

No discussion of this general topic is complete without reference to this epic anti-Obama post from MyDD (you should read the whole thing):

I have always maintained that Sarah Palin is essentially Barack Obama without the benefit of an Ivy League pedigree, a reasonably high IQ, and more talented ghostwriters. They possess the same sort of charisma—markedly different from recent smooth operators like Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Ronald Reagan. These were self-effacing politicians who were sharp on their feet and could genuinely make you crack up. Dick Morris says he faced a recurring challenge in that Bubba was far more impressive extemporaneously than on the script. In those tumultuous 80s, Reagan’s foremost task was to spout killer witticisms in East Room press conferences while his minions ran wild. While W. had the ridiculous bit of business on the deck of that aircraft carrier, he also had the Bullhorn Speech under his Texas belt. Whatever one’s opinion of his miserable policies, incompetence, and larger stupidity, the Bullhorn Speech was an iconic moment in presidential rhetoric.

Sarah Palin and Barack Obama are charismatic only because of the attractive exuberance they possess. Their cults of personalities are products of modern identity politics. These are tabula rasas whose appeal transcend the normal workings of Politics for the cultural niches they represent. She is the hot, fecund Christian warrior woman; he the postracial black man on a fascinating journey of self-discovery.

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  1. 1.

    slag

    September 27, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Bored now.

  2. 2.

    JPL

    September 27, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    I have always maintained that Sarah Palin is essentially Barack Obama without the benefit of an Ivy League pedigree, a reasonably high IQ, and more talented ghostwriters

    Something is wrong with this statement. Oh yeah, he negates the first point with the second point.

    Can we just talk about football now or maybe beers and wine.

  3. 3.

    4tehlulz

    September 27, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Did John and Jane get blogs at _The Atlantic_ and no one ever told me?

  4. 4.

    Allison W.

    September 27, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    I need a translation for the first excerpt.

  5. 5.

    Stooleo

    September 27, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Okay, I give up. What is Veal Pen in firebagger terminology?

  6. 6.

    tomjones

    September 27, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    These were self-effacing politicians who were sharp on their feet and could genuinely make you crack up.

    George W. Bush

    What? No!

  7. 7.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    September 27, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Their cults of personalities are products of modern identity politics.

    This has been said of every president since George Washington. It either Godwin’s the argument or renders it meaningless.

    In my own personal dealings, I can tend to have trouble arguing because I want to apply the same rules to both sides. I thought that was a trait of most liberals, but I guess not.

  8. 8.

    SP

    September 27, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    the Bullhorn Speech was an iconic moment in presidential rhetoric

    I think that’s true but not quite in the way he’s thinking.

  9. 9.

    Ash Can

    September 27, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Fuck all this; I’m going to go mix myself a martini.

  10. 10.

    Guster

    September 27, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    I used to really love MyDD.

    Wow.

  11. 11.

    Jager

    September 27, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    “The hot, fecund, Christian warrior woman vs a post-racial black man on a fascinating journey of self discovery”…sounds like cover hype from a romance novel.

  12. 12.

    JGabriel

    September 27, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    To even pay attention to this flapdoodle is Veal Pen.

    Is that even English? This object, no sense.

    .

  13. 13.

    beltane

    September 27, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    If it makes you feel better, punch away. But keep in mind that these people really don’t count for much in the scheme of thing; we are probably giving them more attention than they really warrant. Back in January of 2008 I attended an Obama rally in Lebanon, NH where a deranged Edwards supporter had a bit of a meltdown and was led away by the police. For all we know, this guy is a regular FDL commenter now. Some people are just like that.

  14. 14.

    arguingwithsignposts

    September 27, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Veal Pen? Apparently I was not aware of all Internet Traditions ™.

  15. 15.

    JPL

    September 27, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    George Blanda passed away today.

  16. 16.

    New Yorker

    September 27, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    Sarah Palin and Barack Obama are charismatic only because of the attractive exuberance they possess. Their cults of personalities are products of modern identity politics. These are tabula rasas whose appeal transcend the normal workings of Politics for the cultural niches they represent. She is the hot, fecund Christian warrior woman; he the postracial black man on a fascinating journey of self-discovery.

    Wow, this pseudo-profound psychobabble is enough to make Dinesh D’Souza blush.

    And dammit, they got me: it’s identity politics that had me voting for Obama. I wanted someone to validate my mixed-racial upbringing in both the US and overseas. Oh wait, no, I just wanted someone intelligent, prudent, and who generally shares my political outlook.

  17. 17.

    gnomedad

    September 27, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    I have always maintained that Jeffrey Dahmer is essentially Albert Einstein without the benefit of intelligence, compassion, and a taste for matzoh.

  18. 18.

    TooManyJens

    September 27, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Post-Obama, people. I mean, come on. To even pay attention to this flapdoodle is Veal Pen.

    Two blogs, divided by a common language.

  19. 19.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 27, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    So . . . what do you all make of Rick Lazio withdrawing from the NY Gov race? (Or, to keep things on topic, what do you suppose FDL and MyDD make of Rick Lazio withdrawing from the NY Gov race?)

    Is this good news for Paladino?

  20. 20.

    JPL

    September 27, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    @gnomedad: lol

  21. 21.

    ant

    September 27, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=09&year=2010&base_name=a_better_conversation_about_th#121687

    ..the White House has got to stop disguising its own policy views when it celebrates the ACA. While pragmatism is a necessary part of legislating, it confuses the public when your normative views appear identical to the final compromise.

    http://www.eschatonblog.com/2010/09/not-gonna-do-ir.html

    “We started with a pretty good bill, now let’s make it better” would be a decent strategy. But it won’t happen.

  22. 22.

    beltane

    September 27, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    @gnomedad: And Christine O’Donnell is just like Rachel Maddow except for the fact that she is a crazy wingnut.

  23. 23.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 27, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    @JPL: Yup. So did Gloria Stuart, who was perhaps the only good thing about Titanic. She was 100.

  24. 24.

    Beauzeaux

    September 27, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    So Sarah Palin is just like Barack Obama except that he is black, male, taller, educated, intelligent, articulate, and has shorter hair, fewer children, and a better-looking spouse.

    My gawd, they’re practically identical.

  25. 25.

    Culture of Truth

    September 27, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    These were self-effacing politicians who were sharp on their feet and could genuinely make you crack up.

    They were humble white guys. Palin and Obama are uppity pretenders who don’t know their place. Got it.

  26. 26.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 27, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    I humbly propose that Veal Pen Flapdoodle be a new tag for Hamsherite bloviating.

    he also had the Bullhorn Speech under his Texas belt. Whatever one’s opinion of his miserable policies, incompetence, and larger stupidity, the Bullhorn Speech was an iconic moment in presidential rhetoric.

    This is the same guy who called Obama “Chocolate Carter”. During the primaries, Armstrong was kind of like the embarrassing father who’d had a mild stroke and said kooky things but he owned the place so what were you gonna do. Now Josh and the other sane people are gone, and Armstrong’s still goofy, but he’s invited some tin-foil hat wearing people he met at McDonald’s to come and live in the house.

  27. 27.

    TooManyJens

    September 27, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    @JGabriel: I don’t think we can throw stones — after all, this is a blog that has (and needs) its own lexicon.

    It is remarkable how mutually unintelligible we’re becoming, though.

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I humbly propose that Veal Pen Flapdoodle be a new tag for Hamsherite bloviating.

    Or a Thursday night recipe.

  28. 28.

    Mnemosyne

    September 27, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    @SP:

    To be fair, the guy who wrote that was 12 years old when Bush made that speech. It probably did seem pretty impressive to a 12-year-old.

  29. 29.

    freelancer

    September 27, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I humbly propose that Veal Pen Flapdoodle be a new tag for Hamsherite bloviating.

    Seconded.

  30. 30.

    Culture of Truth

    September 27, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Indeed, when I think of W., “sharp on his feet” is the first thing that comes to mind.

    Also he went to San Jacinto High School where he was paddled every day and worked his way up by his bootstraps but Obama was born with a silver spoon and had everything handed to him in life.

  31. 31.

    gnomedad

    September 27, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    And if my grandmother had balls, also, too.

  32. 32.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 27, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    The Veal Pen is where sheeplish O-bots are driven by Rahm to be fattened up on shit-sandwiches until Baraknald W Obeagan decides to throw us under the bus. Also too, Catfood Commission!

  33. 33.

    JPL

    September 27, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I saw that. I refuse to continue the blog wars.
    Here are some headlines from MSNBC
    Despite economy, farm jobs still go begging
    Shortage of drug holds up some U.S. executions
    Segway company owner rides scooter off cliff
    Segway scooters can lead to serious injuries

    It’s interesting that someone felt it necessary to add an article about Segways causing injury after the owner of the company died. It’s like adding insult to injury.

    I think the Lazio vote will split.

  34. 34.

    Culture of Truth

    September 27, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    You know what I want in a President? Someone who makes me laugh when driving the country into needless wars and recession. So awesome.

  35. 35.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 27, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    @Beauzeaux: They both are bipeds. Ha! I’ve run circles ’round you logically.

  36. 36.

    Jules

    September 27, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Jebus, will those folks ever get over Hillary not winning the nomination?
    The butthurt just goes on and on and on and I’m an Obamabot because I don’t think Obama is the “worst President evah”.

  37. 37.

    arguingwithsignposts

    September 27, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    @TooManyJens:
    Win.

  38. 38.

    DougJ is the business and economics editor for Balloon Juice.

    September 27, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I hadn’t heard that. Cuomo will win by 20+ points in all likelihood anyway.

  39. 39.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 27, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    @TooManyJens:

    Or a Thursday night recipe.

    I kinda thought it sounded like a dance from the twenties.

  40. 40.

    JGabriel

    September 27, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    arguingwithsignposts:

    Veal Pen? Apparently I was not aware of all Internet Traditions™.>

    I think it’s probably an indirect reference to Doug Coupland’s Generation X, but it’s used like an allusion to Plato’s cave.

    Kind of weird.

    .

  41. 41.

    TooManyJens

    September 27, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    @JPL:

    I refuse to continue the blog wars.

    I kind of hate myself for reading and replying to all these inter-blog pissing-match posts. They’re like fatty, salty chips. So bad for you, but you just keep buying the fuckers and ensuring that they’ll make more.

  42. 42.

    Bullsmith

    September 27, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Holy shit that’s some stupid right there. DD isn’t dumb doubled, it’s clearly an exponential equation.

  43. 43.

    DougJ is the business and economics editor for Balloon Juice.

    September 27, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    @JGabriel:

    but it’s used like an allusion to Plato’s cave.

    In FDL mythology, Plato’s cave was the original veal pen. I thought you’d know that.

  44. 44.

    Warren Terra

    September 27, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    he the the postracial black man on a fascinating journey of self-discovery.

    That quote is not only so delightfully patronizing, it also somehow manages to miss that the whole point of his first book is that he completed his journey of self-discovery, by constructing an identity for himself as a socially aware black man, an outcome that was hardly inevitable for a kid raised by white grandparents attending an elite prep school in Hawai’i, whatever his skin tone. And, of course, it misses that Obama is not post-racial at all; he’s post-racist, while embracing the African-American heritage of his wife, his kids, and the community that welcomed him.

  45. 45.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    September 27, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    @Beauzeaux: I bet his spouse could beat up her spouse.

  46. 46.

    fasteddie9318

    September 27, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    I’ve always contended that, absent multicellularilty, aerobic respiration, bipedal locomotion, and a self-aware intelligence, there’s very little to distinguish Barack Obama from an amoeba. Comparing him to Sarah Palin is a bit more of a stretch, but I guess I can still see it.

  47. 47.

    Warren Terra

    September 27, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    @JPL:

    I refuse to continue the blog wars.

    Blog War is over if you want it?

  48. 48.

    MobiusKlein

    September 27, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Be different: be a nut-punching hippie-picker.

  49. 49.

    Stooleo

    September 27, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Oh I get it, I will stay in the Veal Pen until I finally wise up and realize that Obama is never going to give me that sparkly pony that he promised me. At that point I metamorphose into an infinitely smarter, yet bitter, bitter,bitter firepony that has nothing better to do than point out what a traitor to cause Obama is. Cool, and I get to act smug too. Awesome.

  50. 50.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 27, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    @Warren Terra: Begun the blog war have.

  51. 51.

    wmd

    September 27, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Veal Pen is used for ostensibly liberal groups giving political cover to a process that has non liberal outcomes.

    EG Planned Parenthood was in the veal pen during the HCR debate and didn’t speak up for reproductive rights until the last minute.

    (Note: this is established canon at FDL – even though I pointed out multiple urgent action emails from PP about Stupak in the month before the final vote).

    The Sierra club is a veal pen organization for enabling BP (seriously, some people say that with a straight face).

  52. 52.

    Uncle Clarence Thomas

    September 27, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    I don’t understand why they won’t let us accept that President Obama Knows Best.

  53. 53.

    taylormattd

    September 27, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas: yeah, keep telling yourself your little stories.

  54. 54.

    Poopyman

    September 27, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    @Ash Can:

    Fuck all this; I’m going to go mix myself a martini.
    Reply

    Lucky you. I’m getting ready to embark on my daily 1+ hour drive home.

    Then maybe -a martini-a beer.

  55. 55.

    Mnemosyne

    September 27, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    @Warren Terra:

    And, of course, it misses that Obama is not post-racial at all; he’s post-racist, while embracing the African-American heritage of his wife, his kids, and the community that welcomed him.

    I’m still convinced that’s one of the things that drives the teabaggers most nuts about Obama: he deliberately chose to be African-American. He didn’t have to embrace the identity the way he did, and he probably could have played some kind of Tiger Woods-style post-racial “I’m not going to choose sides” card. Instead, he moved to Chicago specifically because African-Americans had a lot of political power there with Harold Washington and married a black woman. He picked that identity and stuck with it.

  56. 56.

    fasteddie9318

    September 27, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Holy shit, I hadn’t realized that MyDD went PUMA and stayed there.

  57. 57.

    Culture of Truth

    September 27, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    To be fair, you can’t judge a cite by some loony commenter.

  58. 58.

    Martin

    September 27, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    @Jules:

    Jebus, will those folks ever get over Hillary not winning the nomination?

    No, they will never get over the candidate that campaigned for a healthcare mandate losing to the candidate that implemented the healthcare mandate.

  59. 59.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 27, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    @JPL:

    I saw that. I refuse to continue the blog wars.

    Sorry, didn’t realize I was doing that. I had just seen the news item and searched BJ but found no previous mention, so I was just asking.

    The MSNBC headlines (and they are far from the only offenders) always make me incanfuckindescent with rage. That’s a fine collection you aggregated there.

  60. 60.

    scav

    September 27, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    @TooManyJens: Veal Pen Flapdoodle

    Or a Thursday night recipe.

    ok, sort of a veal tenderloinish thing, maybe not breaded but coated in a pancakey kind of dough? Drizzle the whole with some sort of blackish berry coulis in elegant arabesques and we’d have an inky allusion as well as doodles.

  61. 61.

    Poopyman

    September 27, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    @Stooleo: Holy shit, you really do get it! Congratulations!

  62. 62.

    JPL

    September 27, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Not you. John actually has a new post up with an interesting rebuttal to his earlier blog about the President.
    I am just posting headlines to change the subject.

  63. 63.

    Poopyman

    September 27, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    @Culture of Truth:

    To be fair, you can’t judge a cite by some loony commenter.

    So the snarling mass of vicious vitriolic jackals are the posters here?

  64. 64.

    wengler

    September 27, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Jerome Armstrong was embarrassing during the primaries and I hadn’t even bothering going to MyDD since then. He would author the sort of cringe-inducing posts that even the most vocal supporters of Hillary Clinton(MyDD was one of the few Clinton-supporting blogs at the time) would distance themselves from.

    I would venture to guess that his hatred of Barack Obama is deeply personal and stems from still festering grievances over things real and imagined during the campaign. Why doesn’t someone go over there and say ‘Texas caucuses’. That is the ultimate stirring of the pot on MyDD.

  65. 65.

    JGabriel

    September 27, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    @DougJ:

    In FDL mythology, Plato’s cave was the original veal pen. I thought you’d know that.

    I am being mocked. (Sobs uncontrollaby.)

    (Sniffs back a final tear.) That’s okay. I can take it.

    .

  66. 66.

    Martin

    September 27, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    @TooManyJens: Oh god, we must make that a thursday night recipe.

  67. 67.

    eric

    September 27, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Let me say that the current level of vitriol is a function, in my humble opinion, of how dire current circumstances seem to be. The country is poised to give control back to a group of illiterate and evil men and women who will, without conscience, ruin the lives of many an ordinary American. It is that soon-to-be ruined American that is at the center of these blog wars. there is a core frustration, for those arguing in good faith — and I believe there are many such folks — that social justice is retarding and that real people are going to be really hurt and hurting for a very long time. Our own impotence at getting a meaningful voice in the MSM has rendered us largely ineffective and thus, some (many) lash out at those that do seem to have a voice, i.e., senators and Obama, but who fail to use that voice loudly and with conviction.

    As many here know from my posts, I tend to think that the voice of the Left is dampened even when coming from Obama or Pelosi, or Franken because the MSM is dominated by moneyed interests.

    it is as is we are all watching a car crash in slow motion and feel helpless to stop it.

    But we are not helpless to stop it. We have our time and our money to make a difference.

    So, in honor of this blogging pi$$ing match, I will pony up $1000 in campaign contributions this evening. Make a list who should get $250 and 4 folks get it. It aint much, but it sure as heck beats this BS.

    eric

  68. 68.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 27, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    @Martin: I quit reading FDL about when Christy left (I hope she’s doing well), before the Nutty Time, but I don’t think it’s about Hillary. I’ll say this for them: They would’ve been just as vituperative and wrong-headed about a HRC presidency. Some PUMAs who may have landed there to wallow in self-righteous delusions of disappointment since the summer of ’08 would probably be here defending President Clinton from Hamsher in that alternate universe. As would I.

  69. 69.

    AxelFoley

    September 27, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    LMAO @ those two shitty sites. Fuckin’ losers. Makes me wanna go kick some hippie ass now.

  70. 70.

    FlipYrWhig

    September 27, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    To even pay attention to this flapdoodle is Veal Pen.

    This is like a clue to one of the cryptic crosswords in Harper’s or The Nation. Like, you need to read it as, “To even, pay attention to this flap; doodle is veal, P-E-N,” and the answer turns out to be “open the envelope.”

  71. 71.

    Uncle Clarence Thomas

    September 27, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    @taylormattd:

    I don’t understand your comment, but thank you for your support.

  72. 72.

    JGabriel

    September 27, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    wmd:

    Veal Pen is used for ostensibly liberal groups giving political cover to a process that has non-liberal outcomes. … (Note: this is established canon at FDL…)

    Wow. I guess it’s been a longer time than I thought since I was a regular reader at FDL.

    Apologies, DougJ. Apparently you weren’t mocking me at all.

    TooManyJens, you are right.

    .

  73. 73.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 27, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    @eric: I’ve been thinking of giving $500 to OFA, because of Kay’s post this morning. I just feel like it’s the best way to move the GOTV numbers.

    This feeling of impotence, of screaming into the wind of stupid, does get to me.

  74. 74.

    FlipYrWhig

    September 27, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    @AxelFoley: What I don’t get is how it makes you a “hippie” to constantly bitch about how everything sucks and you’re being undermined at every turn by perfidious forces beyond your control and the only people who understand the stakes are a small, courageous band of enlightened dissidents. If that’s hippie, it’s the fucking Manson Family.

  75. 75.

    TooManyJens

    September 27, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    @scav: brb, googling “coulis”

    (I know nothing about cooking.)

  76. 76.

    AxelFoley

    September 27, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    @Culture of Truth:

    To be fair, you can’t judge a cite by some loony commenter.

    The fuck if we can’t.

    *looks at Uncle Clarence’s post*

    Well, you may have a point…

  77. 77.

    eric

    September 27, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I gotta say that I an truly frightened about what can happen in november and notwithstanding Obama’s state secret insanity and the steny hoyers of the world, i got no choice but to make sure the evil/crazies dont get control. These people make Bush et al look sane.

    Is there a handy link to give?

    thanks

    e

  78. 78.

    jacy

    September 27, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    I thought a flapdoodle was a small dessert pancake. Back to the veal pen for me. Or mayhaps its the lobster aquarium. Chicken coop? So hard to keep track.

  79. 79.

    AxelFoley

    September 27, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    @wengler:

    Why doesn’t someone go over there and say ‘Texas caucuses’. That is the ultimate stirring of the pot on MyDD.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  80. 80.

    scav

    September 27, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    @TooManyJens: GSD, I hope I spelled it right then!

  81. 81.

    AxelFoley

    September 27, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:

    @AxelFoley: What I don’t get is how it makes you a “hippie” to constantly bitch about how everything sucks and you’re being undermined at every turn by perfidious forces beyond your control and the only people who understand the stakes are a small, courageous band of enlightened dissidents. If that’s hippie, it’s the fucking Manson Family.

    LOL, I know, right?

  82. 82.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 27, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    @eric: a link to Kay’s post? Curtis is back? She’s not specifically talkiing about OFA, that’s just where I think the money is best spent to get the younger and other first time voters who make up the ‘enthusiasm gap’

  83. 83.

    wasabi gasp

    September 27, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    Flapdoodle and the Veal Pen was an elementary school animated filmstrip covering the topic of where babies come from.

  84. 84.

    Bob L

    September 27, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    (Sarah Palin)Her next task is to persuade the broad center she possesses a base level of competence necessary to carry out the duties of the modern American president: daily speechifying from behind the Blue Goose; delegating authority; and appearing firmly in command during photographed Cabinet and Situation room meetings.

    TSK TSK Landsmen, you let your cynicism get the better part of you.

  85. 85.

    chaseyourtail

    September 27, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    I have always maintained that Sarah Palin is essentially Barack Obama without the benefit of an Ivy League pedigree, a reasonably high IQ, and more talented ghostwriters.

    This is so typical of the FDL crowd. They have been trying to discredit Obama from day one. It’s like they have some irrational hatred for the guy. I’m betting MyDD is a Baby-Boomer (seriously, would any other generation use the term “tabula rasas” in a blog post). It seems to me that a lot of Boomers are bitter because someone significantly younger than them has swooped in and taken the Presidency. A lot of Boomers think of themselves as the real “greatest generation” and are holding on to the proverbial torch with a death grip. Their pathological sense of entitlement inhibits them from graciously passing said torch to the next generation. Obama, while still technically considered a Boomer by some metrics, represents post Boomer generations. Many Boomers are in denial about the fact that they’re getting old. Obama forces them to face that reality and they hate him for it.

  86. 86.

    brendancalling

    September 27, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    i also got a kick out of “flapdoodle”.

    despite my ironic use of “resident firebagger” (which IS ironic even though some stupid douches don’t have a sense of humor), one of the things that turns me off about FDL is the sheer vitriol toward Obama. I’m happy to criticize the dud too, and usually find myself angry with his adminsitration, but I also give credit when it’s due, and that’s in very short supply at FDL.

    meh, I’m done with this shit, I have homebrew to drink and adjust. first contest entry coming up in october.

  87. 87.

    Bruce (formerly Steve S.)

    September 27, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    I’m sure this makes me a hippie-puncher

    No, it makes you an obsessive. I’m sure John’s old enough to handle the pointless pissing match with Hamsher, how about the rest of you front pagers do some actual content.

  88. 88.

    Uncle Clarence Thomas

    September 27, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    @AxelFoley:

    GawDAMMIT, Axel, when I make you give me your “O” face, you DO NOT disappoint!

  89. 89.

    The Bobs

    September 27, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Reagan’s foremost task was to spout killer witticisms

    Yeah, I believe that. The alzeimers president. They laughed because he was the President and you’re supposed to laugh at his jokes.

    But hey, I’ve actually been in the same room with Obama, so I’ve been hypnotized.

  90. 90.

    Jager

    September 27, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    @chaseyourtail:

    As a “boomer” I think both you and Armstrong are full of shit.

  91. 91.

    applecoreinaz

    September 27, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    @eric: Nice comment Eric. Summed nicely…..

  92. 92.

    frosty

    September 27, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    @chaseyourtail:

    It seems to me that a lot of Boomers are bitter because someone significantly younger than them has swooped in and taken the Presidency.

    Nah, we had our shot. One guy who’s chance at being great got blown (nudge nudge wink wink), and one total loser. Seriously, the choices we had to make when we faced the Vietnam draft fucked the Boomer generation for the Presidency. (Bush got lucky that everyone forgot the Natl Guard was a ticket out for the rich.) We’re better off skipping the Boomers and putting all that crap behind us.

    A lot of Boomers think of themselves as the real “greatest generation” and are holding on to the proverbial torch with a death grip.

    Nah. Idealistic maybe, great … not so much.

    Their pathological sense of entitlement inhibits them from graciously passing said torch to the next generation.

    Ick. The next generation is a bunch of Reaganauts. The generation behind them that doesn’t have any issues with gays and a lot fewer with race — let them have the torch.

    Many Boomers are in denial about the fact that they’re getting old.

    This comment would make me tear out my hair in frustration. If I had any left to tear out.

    Obama forces them to face that reality and they hate him for it.

    That’s a real stretch. Here’s they way I see it: Obama’s either black and they hate him for it or he’s black and they say “Cool, I can’t believe I just helped elect a black guy!”

  93. 93.

    Val

    September 27, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Jerome is a VERY late boomer (Feb. 1964), or a Joneser, for those who accept that designation, or a pre-GenXer, or whatever (“full of shit” will do). And he’s a good 2 1/2 years younger than that whippersnapper Obama. Why is it that a good 75% of the time when whiny nonboomers cite some crap and opine that it must have come from boomers, inevitably it’s either from a “Silent” (the VAST majority of Bush administration high-level officials and GOP congressional leaders) or a GenXer, or at least a Joneser? Can we just cut the generational warfare crap, just ONE day? And just deal with a**holish foolishness on an individual basis? I’ll give you late boomer/early Joneser Jane Hamsher (1959), but she’s barely two years older than the usurper (“full of shit” will do for her, too). My mirror, my gay hairs and bodily creaking tell me how old I am every day. I don’t need that youngun Obama, who’s all of 5 years my junior, to tell me that (and have you noticed the gray hair on him lately? He’ll be 50 next year, ya know). Somehow I managed to get over my boomerish/early Jonesish prejudices and vote for him two years ago, and I’ll probably manage to vote for him again in a couple of years, assuming my great age doesn’t kill me by then. And get the heck off my lawn!

  94. 94.

    DFH no.6

    September 27, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    @chaseyourtail:

    I’m with Jager at #89. Go fuck yourself, chaseyourtail, ya fuckin’ bigoted asshole.

  95. 95.

    AxelFoley

    September 27, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas:

    GawDAMMIT, Axel, when I make you give me your “O” face, you DO NOT disappoint!

    Back atcha, chief.

  96. 96.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 27, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    in re Boomer fight: The MyDD post in question was, I understand, written by a twenty-five year-old

  97. 97.

    Wile E. Quixote

    September 27, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    I have always maintained that Sarah Palin is essentially Barack Obama without the benefit of an Ivy League pedigree, a reasonably high IQ, and more talented ghostwriters.

    I have always maintained that a Whirlpool dryer is essentially an M-1 tank without the benefit of a 1500 horsepower gas turbine engine, a 120 MM main gun, two machine guns, smoke grenade launchers an all weather targeting system and Chobham armor. They both possess the ability to dry items of wet clothing, markedly different from other ways of drying wet clothing such as hanging it on a clothesline. Thus given the essential sameness of the Whirlpool gas dryer and the M-1 Abrams I feel that we should save money by replacing our current fleet of M-1s with Whirlpool dryers.

  98. 98.

    JGabriel

    September 27, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    I have always maintained that Sarah Palin is essentially Barack Obama without the benefit of an Ivy League pedigree, a reasonably high IQ, and more talented ghostwriters.

    Also without a penis.

    .

  99. 99.

    socraticsilence

    September 27, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    @wengler:

    Are you kidding I loved the “alternative delegate count” and the “Sure Obama’s won 10 consecutive states but hey that’s nothing Hillary’s going to win big in Kentucky” followed by the “Why can’t Obama connect with White Kentucky Voters” now he’s actually arguing that someone’s going to primary Obama because even if they lose “it’ll be a boost for 2016” – which you know makes a ton of sense after all Ted Kennedy’s triumphant campaign in 1984 is the stuff of legend.

  100. 100.

    Jager

    September 27, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    As a boomer approaching my golden years, according to some on this list:

    I don’t worry about my Gen X daughters, who are underpaid school teachers, both divorced.

    Don’t care about the future of my 4 grandchildren.

    Could give a rat’s ass that one of my two ex son in laws hasn’t paid child support in 6 months and the court system is so clogged its going to take another 6 months to see a dime of the money.

    I’m outraged that my taxes may increase by 3%.

    I could give a damn if health care is single payer or not because I’m so damn close to Medicare.

    I don’t care what happens to Social Security because mine will always be there.

    I think our national debt is our biggest problem.

    I don’t care about the environment because, what the hell, I’ll be dead anyway.

    If some of you think thats the way “the selfish Boomers” feel, if you believe it, here’s what I really believe:

    All women in the US born after 1980 have three tits and all males born after 1980 only have one nut, is that any crazier than what you asshats spout about “Boomers”?

    Excuse me now, I have an appointment to get the Mercedes waxed and while I’m waiting for the illegals to finish my car I’ll be smoking a Cuban and chatting up the other “Boomers” at the detail shop.

  101. 101.

    ItAintEazy

    September 27, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    @Culture of Truth:

    To be fair, you can’t judge a cite by some loony commenter.

    No, but you can when “Veal Pen” is one of their fooking tag lines.

    I admit that I think that Obama is too much of a Reagan Democrat, but even that’s just too much for me.

  102. 102.

    Kerry Reid

    September 27, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    @AxelFoley:
    Bless you for this!

  103. 103.

    Karen

    September 27, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    I was born in 1965 which I suppose makes me part of the Baby Bust or Gen X.

    Jane Hamsher, FDL, My DD and all of that mindset are essentially Tea Partiers except with less power.

    Oh, and with less brains, which is saying a lot.

  104. 104.

    Wile E. Quixote

    September 27, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    @JGabriel:

    Also without a penis.

    How do you know that Sarah Palin doesn’t have a penis? Have you ever seen her naked? And while we’re on the subject how do we know that Sarah Palin doesn’t have a penis and was not a member of Journolist posting naked, while man-handling her huge johnson, under a different screen name?

  105. 105.

    chaseyourtail

    September 27, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    @frosty: Your rebuttals are well taken but just for the record, I wasn’t talking about Boomers like you. That’s why I used qualifiers such as “many” and “a lot of” because I am definitely not saying that ALL Boomers fall into the old and bitter category. A lot of Boomers, like you, are cool and wonderful people.

    However, DFH, no.6 just proved my point about the bitter Boomer with this comment,

    I’m with Jager at #89. Go fuck yourself, chaseyourtail, ya fuckin’ bigoted asshole.

  106. 106.

    Mnemosyne

    September 28, 2010 at 1:47 am

    @chaseyourtail:

    I’m betting MyDD is a Baby-Boomer (seriously, would any other generation use the term “tabula rasas” in a blog post).

    IIRC, the guy who wrote the post says he’s 21. Read it again and you’ll believe it.

    So, unfortunately, you just pissed off a whole bunch of people on a completely false premise.

  107. 107.

    chaseyourtail

    September 28, 2010 at 2:07 am

    @Mnemosyne: OK, my bad (that’s if the poster is telling the truth about his age), however, my underlying premise still stands…and I think I only pissed off a few people, not a “whole bunch”. Regardless, I think they’ll be able to recover from the fury I’ve caused them.

  108. 108.

    TKOEd

    September 28, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    @Allison W.:

    cosign

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