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  4. 4.

    beltane

    That hideous bit of graphic art makes the Democratic party’s big D in the circle look like pure win in comparison.

  6. 6.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    Although these guys are setting themselves up for disaster. If my memory is correct, the Clintons are pretty good at avoiding being drafted.

    You recycling stuff from Redstate now?

  7. 7.

    Omnes Omnibus

    Puts me in mind of this:

    Glendower:
    I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur:
    Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them?

  9. 9.

    beltane

    @El Cid: But don’t forget that Bill drew a line in the sand. It doesn’t matter that nothing came of it: BILL CLINTON DREW A LINE IN THE SAND!!!

    Take that, O-bot.

  12. 12.

    slag

    You know. The best response to this is actually no response. Hillary and Bill have done a lot for our country. They’re still doing a lot for our country. I think we should respect that fact and not hold them accountable for what their idiot idolaters and/or Republican frenemies are doing.

    Divide and conquer is an age-old strategery. We should be hip to it by now.

  13. 13.

    Jim, Foolish LIteralist

    @El Cid:

    Ba dump bump! Tsshh!

    Try the Veal Pen, it’ll be here all term!

    Orly Taintz endorsed Sharon Angle, ’cause Orly’s a real Democrat!

  15. 15.

    General Stuck

    Guess we’ll have to break out the garlic and wooden stakes again, and freshen up the Mark Penn jokes.

  16. 16.

    Jay

    “If my memory is correct, the Clintons are pretty good at avoiding being drafted.”

    This triggered a laugh only because I am sick of the HRC dead-enders (the first one I thought of was Lanny Davis, although he’d probably now dispute that he is one). I will say that her tenure at State has not been terrible.

    Also, during the ’08 campaign, didn’t HRC make some dicey allusion to trying to become a JAG officer after law school?

  18. 18.

    asiangrrlMN

    Huh what? Are they serious? Oh fer….sigh.

    Cole! I demand pics of Tunchie to compensate for this!

    @slag: I actually agree in that I got no beef with the Clintons for this. They can’t help it if some of their supporters are touched in the head.

  20. 20.

    Corner Stone

    If my memory is correct, the Clintons are pretty good at avoiding being drafted.

    Hillary was eligible for the draft?
    Huh. Whodathunkit?

  21. 21.

    beltane

    @slag: I really have no problem with it just as I have no problem with either of the Clintons. Unfortunately, the media will likely seize upon this website as proof that Obama is widely hated within his own party and that the Democrats are in disarray. If we had an honorable media, there are lots of things it would be best to ignore.

  22. 22.

    TomFactor

    Updated Date: 08-sep-2010
    Creation Date: 08-apr-2004
    Expiration Date: 08-apr-2012

    Registered to “Private Registrant”

  23. 23.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @slag: What? Why wouldn’t we make fun of Obama’s Secretary of State because someone thinks she’d be a good President? Do you want Obama to lose in November?

  25. 25.

    Suck It Up!

    Creepy. Desperate.

    speaking of which, The Naked Cowboy says he’ll be running for president in 2012. ‘Small government, fiscal blah blah, Obama’s going down’ and all that.

  26. 26.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    Yes, but the fun part will really be when Hillary tells everyone she is staying on a SOS. Read the comments at the site when that happens. The denial of reality will almost match the birthers.

  28. 28.

    slag

    @beltane: True. But I’d prefer if we let Republicans and their media hangers on pimp this bullshit. Not promote it ourselves inciting a pointless and mildly counterproductive Dem on Dem snarkfest.

  31. 31.

    BR

    My dad has been claiming for a couple of years that Biden and Clinton will switch – that she’ll be the VP in 2012 and Biden will run State.

  32. 32.

    El Cid

    @BR: The entire US’ tacit support for the Honduran coup forces was a joke enough itself (enough to make Brazil complain, at one stage, that it had basically been a fool to trust the US on a particular formerly agreed point which then was ignored), but the State Department basically ended up following Jim DeMint’s policy, which was explicitly to do nothing whatsoever to impede the coup-installed government. For a while, then, in effect, Jim DeMint was the Secretary of State for Honduran Affairs, because that’s what happened.

    [This is not pinning this policy directly on Hillary — it’s exactly the same sort of shit the US foreign policy establishment always pulls. In effect, if the forms of policies change.]

  33. 33.

    MaximusNYC

    My comment is stuck in the void, but if I try to post it again, it trips the duplicate filter.

    Just wanted to say that since this post concerns an incumbent Democratic president being challenged from within his party, it deserves the “Black Jimmy Carter” tag.

  34. 34.

    Corner Stone

    I am sick to death of people substantively editing their fucking posts after posting them and NOT using some kind of accepted note to signal a change.
    It’s fucking dishonest. Change whatever you like but it ain’t hard to make a note of it.

  35. 35.

    Cerberus

    @Jay: Her tenure at State has been fantastic, possibly one of the more successful tenures of a Secretary of State and I’d love her to stay on for the rest of Obama’s terms and get even more Global Women’s Initiatives going.

    I mean this movement is idiotic nonsense, probably backed by the 3 racist Democrats who weren’t Republican ratfuckers trying to create a non-story of the PUMAs, but then that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

    I’m sure we’d be plagued by the 3 sexist Democrats who weren’t Republican ratfuckers, etc… if Hillary had won the Primary.

    But yeah, idiots aside, Obama and Hillary are doing all right in their positions and I’ve been really proud of Pelosi (though she might not be long for the power train).

    The Senate…ugh, what can be said of them?

    And who knows how much prouder we’d have been of this administration if they weren’t more dedicated to hippie punching and fellating their corporate owners than actually passing meaningful legislation.

  36. 36.

    beltane

    @General Stuck: We need to bone up on the cast of characters. Mark Penn, Howard Wolfson, Lanny Davis, another horrible hack whose name I forgot, and another one, Lady Lynne DeRothschild, Larry Johnson…the list goes on and on.

    John will have to resurrect his old tag: “I can no longer speak rationally about the Clintons.”

  37. 37.

    Steeplejack

    @asiangrrlMN:

    I demand pics of Tunchie to compensate for this!

    The gentlewoman will sit down! Yes! The gentlewoman is correct to sit down! She demands pics of Tunchie for everything! No matter what! The gentlewoman is out of order!

    I yield the remainder of my time, Mr. Chairman.

  38. 38.

    asiangrrlMN

    @BR: Um, OK. And what do you say to your dad when he says that? I bet you just nod and smile.

    @Steeplejack: Oh HELL NO! The GentleSteep from NoVa is correct is his acknowledgement that the Gentlewoman with the tats wants GentleTunchie all the time, but the Gentlewoman is correct in demanding such compensation for having to endure such stupidity as the idea of primarying Obama! The Gentlewoman with the tatas WILL NOT yield the rest of her time until she gets her pictures of GentleTUNCHIE! Mr. Chairman will have to pry the rusty pitchfork from…

  40. 40.

    BR

    @asiangrrlMN:

    I would except that he has made many uncanny political predictions.

    Like he predicted in 1999 that we would invade Iraq if/when Bush won. (At the end of the Clinton admin it was hard to imagine the country going to that dark of a place that fast, but it happened.)

    And in 2006 he predicted Obama would be president.

    I should add that his main prediction is that Biden will no longer be VP.

  44. 44.

    Ailuridae

    @BR:

    I have a lot of respect for Al Girodano but he isn’t going to have a lot of positive things to say about any Democratic Secretary of State’s decisions in Latin America. He’s right, of course, but that doesn’t mean Clinton isn’t doing an excellent job within the confines that she can reasonably be expected to operate within.

  45. 45.

    slag

    @Steeplejack:

    fine malacca cane

    I had to Google that. Does Weiner actually carry one of those? Or are you employing it for dramatic effect?

    Either way, my response would have to be: Who do you think you are? Tucker Carlson’s dad?

  47. 47.

    Anya

    @BR: Not gonna happen. For one thing, you cannot add the birther/not christian drama to the endless Clinton dramas. But most of all because Obama and Biden seem to really like each other. Biden is very loyal in a way that Clinton and her crazy hangers-on will never be.

  49. 49.

    Ailuridae

    This really isn’t just out in the ether fwiw.

    Front Page of Gallup right now

    PRINCETON, NJ — If Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were to challenge President Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2012, she would currently have the support of 37% of Democrats nationally, while 52% would support Obama.

  50. 50.

    BR

    @Anya:

    Yeah, that’s why I’m hoping he’s wrong and Biden stays on. (To be honest, I think he prefers for Biden to stay on, since he was a big Biden fan during the primaries, even though he supported Obama.)

  51. 51.

    asiangrrlMN

    @Yutsano: Hi, honey! Why don’t you join us? We’re having a free-for-brawl! And, I have no Marmite on me, so I’m safe.

    And, TUNCHIEEEE!

    @slag: I think he’s referring to the guy who beat up the other guy on the Congress floor with a cane many many years ago.

    @BR: I love Biden. I hope he stays.

  52. 52.

    cat48

    HillBuzz has thrown their support behind Sarah Palin2012; but will they switch back to Hillary?

  55. 55.

    Linda Featheringill

    You know, if these PUMAs really wanted Hillary for president the next time around, they could have waited until something like January 2011 to come out with this.

    I must wonder if they are not so much pro-Clinton as they are anti-Obama.

  56. 56.

    Anya

    @Ailuridae: Is there anything these fuckers would not poll. I just don’t get why do they have to do these pointless polls.

    @BR: I hope your dad’s prediction is wrong, this time.

  58. 58.

    Bob Loblaw

    @BR:

    I might say, Al Giordano is still not a fan

    I recall Hillary having some sort of boss these days. I forget his name…

    Seriously? This 2008 shit permanently warped people’s minds. Blasting Hillary’s current job performance…is blasting Obama’s current job performance. Because they’re one and the same at this point.

  62. 62.

    Adrienne

    @slag: You call it promoting; I call it mocking. Toe-may-toe / toe-mah-toe.

    If anything, HRC seems MORE than content in her current position and is, by all accounts, thriving at State. Actually BHO and HRC’s evolution from bitter rivals to airtight allies has been a sight to behold. He has publicly put so much trust in her–partly out of necessity b/c he has so much domestic bullshit to deal with that he needs a strong right hand in foreign policy–that people trust that when she speaks she speaks for the President. Say what you want about Hill, but she’s loyal. Sometimes to a fault. If they think she’s going to kill that, particularly for a long shot bid where she challenges the sitting president of her own party, whom she advised and with whom she worked very closely on all matters foreign and domestic, they must really be smoking that good shit.

    Further, there’s very little daylight btw them at this point. The most contentious issues in 2008 were mandate/no mandate in healthcare and the war in Iraq. Both points are now moot since we passed healthcare reform and we’ve already started pulling out the troops and trying to stabilize Iraq after our departure under a plan that Hillary herself helped shape. On what basis or issue could/would she challenge him?

  64. 64.

    VixenStrangely

    I love Hillary Clinton. I do. I think she is right-on and with-it and knows her shit cold and can run this country if she had to–that said, a primary against the sitting president would be stupid. It would be bad for her, bad for him, bad for the party, and bad for the limited attention-span of regular-media political journalists everywhere. I don’t think she would be self-involved enough not to know how bad her running would be, and I just hate that there are people allegedly passionately politically involved, who think this is plausible. How do they so misread human nature? It makes me want to mindread & diagnose their various hang-ups.

  66. 66.

    Uncle Clarence Thomas

    I don’t understand why John Cole compares a five-inch piece of shit Democrat to a five-and-a-quarter-inch piece of shit Democrat.

  67. 67.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @Ailuridae:

    You should read the comments on this here blog. There are a not insignificant number of former Clinton supporters here who pretty plainly just hate the President.

    Meh, I read the comments and I dunno who was a former Clinton supporter versus who just thinks Obama is a lousy President. Of course, I understand the nuance is lost on most here. :)

  69. 69.

    Ailuridae

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    What isn’t lost on you? You should be happy that Uncle Clarence Thomas showed up as it means you are in the rare position of not clearly being the biggest drooler in a thread.

  71. 71.

    Jim, Foolish LIteralist

    @Just Some Fuckhead: I wasn’t here during the primaries, but I think you can look around the larger blogosphere and guess whose position would be the same in that theoretical HRC presidency–that would not look very different from this one–(Greenwald, Cole, Benen, Digby, Atrios, even looney-toons Hamsher) and who would be defending Clinton against evil people picking on poor President Clinton just doing her best (Peter Daou, MyDD, Atrios’s commenters)

  72. 72.

    BGinCHI

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Yeah, because if HRC was prez the GOPs would be compromising their asses off.

    Oh, they would have said, how can we help you and your agenda, Hill? At least you aren’t a black dude with a funny name. Whew, we’re feeling all liberal and shit so go ahead and nominate Jane Hamster or whatever her name is for Czar of Self-Righteousness or whatever other new cabinet position you want.

    Women don’t scare us at all. We love Mad Men!

  73. 73.

    Sly

    I’m just glad Edwards imploded before the election. If I had been forced to put up with both the PUMAs and the Sons of Millworkers at the same time, for two years, I probably would have lost my shit.

  74. 74.

    Steeplejack

    @slag:

    Any 19th-century Southern senator in a white seersucker suit would not consider himself dressed without his fine malacca cane. Damn your eyes, sir!

  78. 78.

    fucen tarmal

    if there weren’t actual democrats that were going to try such a stunt, i am positive a koch-stro-turf org would….i would check the registry.

  80. 80.

    something fabulous

    @Steeplejack: A-HA! I’ve been wondering why we were not talking about the 9-11 workers’ bill passing this time around!! Here’s my opening to ask!

    Why did it make it this time, does anyone think? Why did it come back up for a vote so soon? Does it still have to pass the Senate? What next?

    –The GentleSomething yields the remainder of her time, to The GentleRosalita, of WV.

  81. 81.

    Jamie

    If I remember correctly Hillary didn’t get us any health care reform back in the nineties..

  82. 82.

    Steeplejack

    @something fabulous:

    I have no idea. I have staff to handle such policy matters. I am plotting my next midnight swim around the Tidal Basin with sweet Felina from the Boom Boom Room.

    ETA: She really digs me! It’s not just the office, the money and the power. Really.

  83. 83.

    joe in oklahoma

    she might get us half way to real healthcare, but she will also start a war with Iran.

  84. 84.

    Glenndacious Greenwaldian (formerly tim)

    I never have grokked the concept that avoiding the draft in the 60’s was somehow a BAD thing. Seems clearly a wise choice and thousands wish they’d done the same.

    Glad to see that Hill and Bill still drive John mad with feelings of insecurity. Especially seeing as how his support for Obama has worked out so well with this awesome two year old administration being so popular and successful and all. not.

  85. 85.

    Ailuridae

    @Jim, Foolish LIteralist:

    I totally misunderstood your post initially. I agree that there are people making principled objections against Obama (I would add Baker and Krugman) but the commenters here on BJ don’t qualify. As someone who never had a dog in the Clinton-Obama fight it is pretty plain that a lot of people are being pretty dishonest in their criticism. If Obama or Clinton or Edwards had won the Presidency we would largely be seeing the same situation and legislative achievements.

  87. 87.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @BGinCHI: Who said things would be different if HRC was President? Certainly no one in this thread. Hell, I didn’t support her bid last time and won’t next time either. Of course, she isn’t actually threatening to run and we’re only making fun of her because Republican Cole thought that was an appropriate response to some misguided poor soul out on the intertoobz pining over her.

  90. 90.

    Comrade Luke

    I’d love someone to put together a list of all the people in Congress that have evaded the draft.

    Bet it would be a pretty long list.

    ETA: looks like they’ve delayed it a week. My guess is that it got attention from several sites and it couldn’t handle the load*, so they had to go back and tweak some things.

    *yea, there’s a Clinton joke in there somewhere too (rimshot).

  91. 91.

    Adrienne

    @VixenStrangely:

    that said, a primary against the sitting president would be stupid.

    Ding ding ding. Hillary Clinton may be a lot of things, but stupid ain’t on that list.

  93. 93.

    Redshift

    @Glenndacious Greenwaldian (formerly tim): It seems to me that for people who are old enough to have experienced the Sixties even a little, you can divide them into liberals and conservatives based on whether they think hippies were pretty cool or that they were a terrible scourge. Consequently, since Washington is wired for Republicans who profess to worship the military, we’re all supposed to believe that evading the Vietnam draft is a terrible stain, even though probably a significant majority of us either disagree or don’t really care.

    I’m just glad that we’ve probably seen the last election where Vietnam service is a significant issue, at least on the Democratic side.

  95. 95.

    KG

    In the modern era, I’m not sure there has been any sitting president that a) lost a primary when challenged or b) won a general election when being challenged in the primary. GHW Bush in ’92, Carter in ’80, Ford in ’76. All won the nomination, all lost in the general. So, drafting a serious primary challenge is a great idea, if you want a Republican president come January 20, 2013.

  96. 96.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @Ailuridae: To be fair, there aren’t a lot of people here you haven’t called stupid. It’s sorta what you do in lieu of humor or other forms of ingratiating behavior.

  99. 99.

    Ailuridae

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Honestly I pretty much just call stupid people stupid. You, Corner Stone, makewi, Uncle Clarence Thomas, and the assorted firebaggers who think that 45 > 50 or 45 = 60.

  100. 100.

    Jay

    @Cornerstone

    “I am sick to death of people substantively editing their fucking posts after posting them and NOT using some kind of accepted note to signal a change.

    It’s fucking dishonest. Change whatever you like but it ain’t hard to make a note of it. ”

    Grow up. As someone who “substantively” (I think the word you’re looking for is “substantially,” but nevermind.) changed a post on this thread, I can assure you I was not trying to be dishonest; nor, I trust, were others you so childishly cursed out, but didn’t name.

    It’s a real shame your delicate fee-fees were hurt.

  101. 101.

    Jim, Foolish LIteralist

    @KG:

    drafting a serious primary challenge is a great idea

    and therein lies the rub in the “Primary in ’12 fantasies. The only person I can think of who would both do it and get a front page headline for doing so would be Nader. Anybody else would be like Mickey Kaus taking a run at Boxer, or Cindy Sheehan taking on Pelosi

  102. 102.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @Ailuridae: No, you just do it reflexively. Maybe someday one of the archivists will compile a greatest hits list of you doing your single trick over and over.

  106. 106.

    Uncle Clarence Thomas

    @Failuraday:

    OK, thanks. The quote will be “Uncle Clarence Thomas fucked me with the biggest dick on Balloon Juice, and I made my “O” face for Him.”

    Please let me know if that’s 100% accurate before I put the next issue of My Weekly Balloonbagger on the press.

  107. 107.

    Ailuridae

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Uh huh. Let me know when you get around to calling Saint Russ’ office.

    I’ve been here for a while. You haven’t contributed anything substantiative yet.

  109. 109.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @Ailuridae:

    I’ve been here for a while. You haven’t contributed anything substantiative yet.

    I’ll just have to keep trying then because you really fucking matter.

  110. 110.

    fasteddie9318

    Of course there is a cadre of people out there interested in a “Draft Hillary” movement. She’s a strong, tough, effective politician.

    Plus, you know, the president’s a ni-

  112. 112.

    TomFactor

    and then all the Ohaters can laugh and laugh and laugh while President Palin and the teahadist congress screw all their friends and neighbors, and kick-starts armageddon.

  115. 115.

    Ailuridae

    @asiangrrlMN:

    This. I was a Biden guy. Once he was inevitably eliminated I looked at the 1% of policy difference among the Dems and decided I would happily vote for whomever was left standing of the three.

    I certainly wouldn’t be making bad faith arguments about the Public Option having 53 supporters if it didn’t.

  116. 116.

    Uncle Clarence Thomas

    @Failuraday:

    > An unsurprising advocacy of homophobia

    But you have equal rights now, because of President Obama’s brave actions. You should be happy and clappy.

    > and/or rape

    Heaven forfend! How were you raised?

    > with a reference to a canonical movie to boot.

    I don’t know what kind of movies you watch, but you may recall My Weekly Reader from grade school. It explains the world to children.

    At any rate, I chose that quote because it had some actual facts in it. I’m not out to draw undue attention to your failures, old chum. Unfortunately, the issue has already gone to press.

  118. 118.

    Jim, Foolish LIteralist

    2016 Scenario: Hillary delays her entry into the primary race until someone else (Claire McCaskill? Evan Bayh? Jim Webb?) hires Mark Penn and Lanny Davis, thereby securing the nomination for herself.

  120. 120.

    Ailuridae

    @Uncle Clarence Thomas:

    That’s some spectacular gibberish. Pretty sure someone is going to need to create a pie filter for you soon.

    You being a homophobe with rape fantasies doesn’t imply anything about my sexuality. I am worried if you try harder though that you’ll just fail more embarrassingly.

  122. 122.

    asiangrrlMN

    @Ailuridae: Again, yes. It’s the same locally for governor. There were three viable Dem candidates. I had my preference, but she did not win the nomination. I will vote for Mark Dayton with a clear conscience. I don’t understand the insistence that one candidate would have been able to move mountains. I really don’t.

    @Andy K: Hiya. Wanted to say, thanks for the compliment the other day. You made me smile.

  123. 123.

    Ailuridae

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    But you are stupid. I have demonstrated that when you were claiming that Saint Russ knew there were 60 votes (psst he was lying to rubes like you). You have done nothing to dispel that notion.

    When you show up on every thread typing inflammatory, content free posts (you don’t do anything else) I will keep on pointing out that you aren’t adding anything and are demonstrably stupid.

  125. 125.

    Uncle Clarence Thomas

    @Failuraday:

    Failuraday, that’s some spectacular gibberish. Pretty sure someone is going to need to create a pie filter for you soon.

    You being a homophobe with rape fantasies doesn’t imply anything about my sexuality. I am worried if you try harder though that you’ll just fail more embarrassingly.

    knowhatimeanvern? Or was that a total failure? If so, maybe they should call me “Failuraday”…

  130. 130.

    morzer

    @BR:

    It seems pretty obvious that Biden won’t bring much to the ticket in 2012, and that Obama will look for someone who can add some electoral beef and perhaps be a successor. Would HRC be the right person? Questionable on grounds of age and lingering scandals, but a pretty decent bet on grounds of ability, work ethic, appeal to women. As long as it isn’t General Petratus!

  132. 132.

    Wile E. Quixote

    @Ailuridae:

    You being a homophobe with rape fantasies doesn’t imply anything about my sexuality. I am worried if you try harder though that you’ll just fail more embarrassingly.

    Hmmmm, a homophobe with rape fantasies? Shit. I’ve figured it out. Uncle Clarence Thomas is really Lil’ Jimmy O’Keefe. The word salad in his posts is strikingly similar to Lil’ Jimmy’s sooper seekrit plan to humiliate CNN by showing that all of the journalists there were sluts who couldn’t resist his manly conservative charms.

  134. 134.

    mnpundit

    I never have and never will support Clinton. I voted for Obama because I thought he’d be better. Instead, he’s the same.

    If my memory is correct, the Clintons are pretty good at avoiding being drafted.

    And thus we are recalled that you were a Republican for many years. Pure Redstate.

  135. 135.

    chaseyourtail

    Obama was smart to make that serpent woman SOS. He’s keeping his enemies close…but he still needs to watch out. Mrs. Clinton wouldn’t hesitate to put a knife in his back given the opportunity. All this nicey-nice talk about her makes me sick to my stomach, literally.

  137. 137.

    PurpleGirl

    Vince Foster, White Water, some $40 million spent on investigations by Congress…. Republicans (female or male) will never vote for her.

  138. 138.

    bob h

    On the other hand, adding her to the ticket in 2012 might inject some needed pizzaz. She and Biden could trade jobs.

  139. 139.

    rickstersherpa

    I guess Jane and the rest have forgiven Hilary for voting and supporting the Iraq War.

    While I criticize Obama and his economic team at great length, but lets not have any illusions that the policy would have been much different if Hilary had been elected President. Summers, Rubin, and Geithner were her people before they became his people. Unfortunately, no matter how right they were and continue to be, Jamie Galbraith, Marshall Auerback, Dean Baker, Bruce Webb, or even Robert Reich were not going be the economic advisors/Treasury Secretary to any mainstream Democrat given the current elite zeitgeist. Bruce Webb’s take on this is pretty much where I am as well. http://www.angrybearblog.com/2010/09/spittingsplitting-moment-when-obama.html

    BUT, really, lets get real. I don’t want Sarah Palin or Jim Demint President. The harm they would do to the country and the world is simply incalculable. And contrary to the New Left dreams, Reagan did not lead to the Revolution and only two years after Dubya we may get a Congress full of lunatics. As Bob Somerby points out constantly, we liberals induldge in tribalism as much as Conservatives, and we tend be particularly stupid when we expect to get majorities to vote with us when 1) we treat those majorities with contempt, and 2) don’t work to directly rebut the stupid memes that circulate through the media world (like the current meme that “American schools are terrible and it is all the teachers and teacher unions fault.”)

    I do expect that after the election, if the House does go Republican, even the most disenchanted will begin to Rally to Obama, just like they rallied to Clinton, as the impeachment machinery and all the other terrible things get spat out of the House (hopefully to die in the Senate).

  140. 140.

    soonergrunt

    I’ll note something new here. The DraftHillary.com site now states its ‘opening date’ as the 8th of October.
    So, fail.

  141. 141.

    John Cole

    Wow, so much win in this thread, and reliably, the firebaggers think this is about me and the Clintons and not what it is actually about, which is the idiots who think Clinton would primary Obama in 2012.

    Pro-tip: She won’t.

  142. 142.

    Marc

    The fascinating thing for me is the sheer number of Obama-haters who are still clearly carrying a grudge from the 2008 primaries. If a poke at dead-enders strikes a nerve, well, maybe you’re a dead-ender…

  143. 143.

    Triassic Sands

    None of the disappointment I feel about Obama makes me think — even for a nanosecond — that Hillary would have been a better choice. The truth is the Democratic Party doesn’t have much in the way of potentially great* presidents — or senators or representatives or governors or anything else. That’s the nature of politics today in the US. It’s no accident that politicians are held in generally low esteem.

    Even if I became convinced that Obama should not seek a second term, I couldn’t come up with the name of anyone (with any chance at all of being elected) to replace him.

    And if the Democrats are in bad shape, the Republicans are infinitely worse off. Most of the Dems are mediocrities, while the Republicans are full-blown lunatics.

    *The use of the word “great” is a stretch. There aren’t even many individuals who would make adequate presidents. Politics in the US are so degraded that the people attracted to run for office are often exactly the people who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near political power.

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    Just Some Fuckhead

    @mnpundit:

    And thus we are recalled that you were a Republican for many years. Pure Redstate.

    Yeah, and when called on it, he bleats some nonsense about firebaggers. What a fucking clown.

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    Corner Stone

    Man, I’m glad I did other things last night. Someone who is demonstrably the.smartest.person.on.BJ might’ve called me stupid.
    And that would’ve broke my wittle heart.

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    SLKRR

    @KG:

    LBJ almost lost the NH primary in ’68 and then dropped out of the race. Truman lost the NH primary in ’52 and then dropped out.

    I don’t know if either of these counts as “modern” – but both ended up with a Repub in the White House, so the second part of your equation still stands.

  147. 147.

    Berto

    To say that Hillary would be one one-millionth a better President than Obama is as stupid as saying Obama would is one one-millionth a better President than Hillary would be.
    The only difference between them is anatomical.

  148. 148.

    John Cole

    @Just Some Fuckhead: When did you become such a bitter loser? You used to be fun, and say funny things. Now you’re just a miserable POS who runs around saying unfunny nasty things.

    And I’m not sure what the big deal is. Clinton avoided the draft. They’re trying to draft Clinton. It was a joke. Have a drink or go rub one out, you miserable prick.

  151. 151.

    Angry Black Lady

    @asiangrrlMN: The reason I didn’t vote for Hillary in the primary (other than the fact that my Obamachip was triggered — all Negros have an Obamachip that turns us into Obombies, craving nothing but the flesh of white babies) is because she refused to admit that her Iraq war vote was a mistake. And then she said some dumb shit about Iran, if I recall correctly, and it turned me off.

    Obama though? He turns me onnnnnnnnnn in my lady areas.

    Plus, Kool-Aid, also too.

    But seriously, I agree with you. They are both centrist Democrats.

    These people are asshats. Draft Hillary? Render unto me a break already. I’m so sick of people.

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