My vodka therapy in conjunction with a couple doses of fresh kona has yielded a much happier John Cole. I’m now off to sample the night life. Say something interesting or link good music.
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My vodka therapy in conjunction with a couple doses of fresh kona has yielded a much happier John Cole. I’m now off to sample the night life. Say something interesting or link good music.
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Corner Stone
Does this mean you’re going to fall down drunk on one of the Rails to Trails routes and look up at the stars?
Is that the nightlife you’re sampling?
The Dangerman
There is a post over at the GOS hyperventilating over some foreclosure matter related to that bill getting vetoed.
Can someone give me the Readers Digest version of what the fuck is going on? I just read where B of A froze their foreclosures and that other banks may not only file suit but have to retroactively rescind some foreclosures on houses that may be in escrow.
So, I’m massively confused…
…probably related to my Friday night libations. Vodka sounds good at this point.
+ ?
kommrade reproductive vigor
Until there’s a way to administer brain massage, there’s this.
p.s. May the 1st jackass to stick a RickRoll in here suffer sudden bouts of incontinence for the rest of the year.
General Stuck
Don’t drive sex and practice safe drunk.
Corner Stone
Jenn Sterger is smokin’ hot.
That is all.
debit
@General Stuck: Put a condom over your phone so you don’t call your ex at 3 in the morning to say you miss them and inquire as to why you don’t do more shit together? Because you should do more shit together. And you love them. Man. You really, really love them.
And I have hit my Friday night wall. Night, everyone.
Comrade Mary
@Corner Stone: Lego makes breasts now?
Corner Stone
Anyone here from Columbia?
Gente desde el pais de Columbia?
tkogrumpy
This doesn’t sound like a PG thread. I’m outta here.
Epicurus
@Corner Stone: “Columbia” is a private university in the city of New York. Perhaps you were looking for Colombia? I’m not from there, but my father is…if that helps.
marcopolo
I am gonna go read a couple chapters of the newest China Mieville novel and go to bed; however, in the spirit of the last thread let me recommend the book Life, Inc. by Douglas Rushkopf (you can tell by that last name he is a DFH). Here is a 9 minute video where he talks about the rise of “corporatism” in our lives and how it has led to us becoming disconnected from our own sense of self-worth. Worth a watch and the book is worth a read and his newest book, just coming out, is about the insidiousness of social media.
Night everyone.
suzanne
I can’t stop listening to R.E.M.’s “Fables of the Reconstruction” this week. So effing good.
getsmartin
Calexico
Corner Stone
@Epicurus: Si, my bad.
I don’t think your father can help me. I’m planning a visit to stay with one of my friends and was wanting to check something.
Sandmann
John Butler Trio ~ Ocean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VAkOhXIsI0
Brilliant
Corner Stone
@Comrade Mary: That would be awesome.
Jay
Cole is right: In The Name of The Father is a great movie. Netflix it. You will be standing and cheering by the end.
fordpowers
the black keys::
http://www.last.fm/search?q=the+black+keys&from=ac
tell me you don’t love them.
Felonious Wench
Got into a weird New Jack Swing mood today, pulled out the Tony Toni Tone to replace my usual dark industrial.
What? Don’t any if you have New Jack Swing moments? A PM Dawn fix? Just me?
Sigh.
Wench, +2 very dirty martinis
cay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3hBYTkI-sE
jacy
Have fun. I’ll be working well into the wee hours of the night. That’s what I get for slacking off during the week. I’m either a very poor employer or a very poor employee, depending on if I’m wearing my pajamas or actually got dressed.
Been listening to Lauren Pritchard, and finding I like her a lot. Either that, or as my daughter suggests, I just listen to this kind of music in a vain attempt to stay relevant.
Anybody who’s imbibing, imbibe something for me.
Omnes Omnibus
@Felonious Wench: Just you.
kdaug
Dave Brubeck’s “Take Five” and Tullimore Dew with a large twist of lemon.
LiberalTarian
Have you heard of Crooked Still?
Mnemosyne
@Epicurus:
That reminded me of the episode from “Modern Family” last year where Cam rants about how much he hates some friends of Mitchell’s right when Jay’s Colombian wife is standing behind him.
LiberalTarian
From the Freight and Salvage … this is the one True Blood used.
Corner Stone
@Felonious Wench: How dirty?
You better bring it how dirty they are.
Moses2317
Let’s end the Republican war on jobs. Check out my new blog post on how Republicans have prevented a full economic recovery. And spread the word so that we can make sure anger about the economy is focused on the real culprits.
Winning Progressive
Boudica
I’m pissed. Just came home to find someone had stolen my Bill White for Texas sign.
Steeplejack
Grupo Fantasma, “Arroz con Frijoles.”
Album is good.
ETA: FYWP. Eating comments again.
LiberalTarian
And if you like blues more than blue grass, maybe this one that really shows off Aoife O’Donovan‘s serious talent (and all the boys).
Steeplejack
@Steeplejack:
Continuing the Latino thing, old-school: El Chicano, “Tell Her She’s Lovely.”
Better sound (the original), no video.
ETA: “People are so beautiful in love.”
Martin
@The Dangerman: It’s the flipside of the bank-homeowner foreclosure problem. The shitty paper trail not only is screwing homeowners, but also investors. Remember, these were sold to investors as good loans, and now they’re defaulting. The paperwork documenting them as good loans were often falsified or simply not processed properly. The ratings agencies were rating bullshit loans.
In states where courts need to process foreclosures, the courts appear to be making note that the paperwork from end to end is fucked. People may be getting foreclosed on illegally. That’s also where the notary issue is coming up, but also the title problems. Title insurance companies are now refusing to issue policies against homes that have been processed by some of these lenders.
There’s literally nothing about this process that isn’t completely fucked right now. I think Tavakoli might be right that Congress needs to step in, create a RTC, and start to properly unravel all of this. I feel especially bad for the people in states that don’t require this go through the courts – those foreclosures are going to continue. California is one of those states, so there’s a lot of people that are still going to get fucked.
Martin
Something totally different (because I have little girls invading my house tonight)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz6WRiNwujQ
Steeplejack
@Steeplejack:
And then you gots to have some Malo–“Suavecito.”
Corner Stone
And as we know, anything that results in referencing yourself in third-person must by definition be a good thing.
LiberalTarian
D’oh, OK, this is the last Crooked Still plug. This is a much better youtube of Little Sadie at the Shetland Folk Festival.
Mnemosyne
@Boudica:
Next time, hook it up to a car battery before you plant it in the yard.
Yeah, I’m cranky tonight.
LM
I love the new album by These New Puritans. These aren’t videos, just the songs against a background photo. I hit repeat every time they play.
Three Thousand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHy08s3CCso
Attack Music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWoQf7-AZ7k
Steeplejack
@Steeplejack:
Malo? You mean Raul Malo? He does a good version of that old Marty Robbins song.
Steeplejack
@Steeplejack:
Raul Malo? Didn’t he use to be in the Mavericks?
Go-go dancers!
KG
@The Dangerman: I’m not seeing the post you’re talking about.
Here’s what I know… the servicers (those are the “banks” that borrowers make their mortgage payments to) have been playing fast and loose with the rules for a while. People are finally starting to realize that the servicers are playing fast and loose. The servicers, as subsidiaries of the lenders, have realized it is no longer in their interest to play fast and loose, so they are trying to tighten up just enough to avoid a regulatory system that would crush them.
The fact is, somewhere along the way, the game changed. Real estate law is written on the notion that the person you pay your mortgage payment to is actually your lender, or at least an assignee. But that’s no longer the case. Today, your mortgage payment gets made to a servicer who has the right to collect payments and potentially initiate foreclosure processes. To explain just how screwed the system is, neither RESPA nor TILA (both federal laws governing mortgages) bothered to define servicer until fairly recently. And the code of federal regulations defined basically as “someone who services a loan”… without bothering to define “service.”
So, defaults happen and servicers foreclose. Under their servicing contracts, they have this right/obligation. The problem is, they don’t really own the loan, they really aren’t the lender, so their legal standing to foreclose is drawn into question (the role of a servicer is not well defined in most deeds of trust). Of course, there is nothing saying that an agent of the actual lender can’t be the one to foreclose. But the servicers, until recently, were holding themselves out as the lenders/assignees (which they weren’t). Things get complicated by the fact that the investor interest in the loans has been hidden behind the wall of MERS (which is a private recording system that you can’t get access to, even if your loan is owned by someone in MERS).
Basically, now that the curtain has been pulled back, everyone is freaking out. The servicers are holding up on foreclosures because they are concerned that they could get sued by just about everyone. The law that Obama recently vetoed, as we discussed the other night, was really pretty much worthless in this context.
(one last side point: at this point, the statute of limitations has most likely run in most cases for fraud claims, I am honestly not sure what the legal remedy for a wrongful foreclosure claim would be other than an injunction saying the servicer can’t foreclose… but that wouldn’t prevent the investor from foreclosing… additionally, if it is shown that the borrower can not afford the loan, they are going to be in a tough spot to get any sort of relief).
KG +1 (bottle of wine)
kdaug
@Martin: Then you totally need this.
Steeplejack
Why, oh, why, are my Braves going down again tonight? Maybe this is Bobby Cox’s career in microcosm: always a bridesmaid,
neverrarely a bride.. . . WTF?! They tied it up while I was dicking around with music videos. Me likey! Mr. Sulu, engage the DVR rewind-mo-tron.
TaMara (BHF)
Liked the El Chicano.
This will probably get me banned from BJ for life, but can’t help it, this made laugh:
Smell like a monster.
To fully understand – I have Isaiah Mustafa as my voice mail. It makes me happy.
bostondreams
So I’m flipping through the cable tv and hit BBC America, and what do I see? There is apparently a Law and Order: UK. Dick Wolf does indeed rule the world.
And, btw, it is actually a pretty good show! Seems to be based on some of the best episodes of the original series.
Yutsano
@Steeplejack: Heh. Oh no you don’t. You play the damn hand you’ve been dealt meester.
KG
@Martin: I’m not sure an RTC would be of much good. The statute of limitations has mostly run on TILA claims, there’s no private right of action for most RESPA violations (no, really, there’s federal case law saying that), the statute of limitations has run on most fraud claims (which are state law claims anyway). Plus, any new law by Congress wouldn’t be of much good because of the constitutional prohibition of impairing the obligations of contracts.
Quiet title seems to be the best route, but then the question becomes the underlying reason for quieting title. Most courts aren’t going to give fee simple to the borrower if they knowingly entered into a valid mortgage (even with fraud by the mortgage broker) and leave the defrauded assignee in the cold. Although, if that did happen, that would open the door for lawsuits by investors against lenders/servicers, which might just be the way out.
Steeplejack
@cay:
I love Bill Withers. Off to search for “Grandma’s Hands,” with Stephen Stills on backing guitar.
No Stills, but here it is live. (Song starts at 1:20.)
Batocchio
Good thing the vodka cured your ebola!
mclaren
@The Dangerman:
The issue seems simple. The basic problem boils down to clouding of title.
In order for title to a property to legally pass from one person (or entity, like a bank) to another person or legal entity, each step in the chain of title must be legally clear. If the title to a property becomes cloudy, a person who buys that property at a foreclosure may not actually own it. The title to a property can become clouded when the mortgage gets split up into many parts and resold to many different entities, and then one of those entities tries to foreclose on the property.
The problem in this case arises because the mortgages for houses got split up into various smaller tranches and then resold on the secondary market — not not just sold once, but often re-sold through many different hands many different times. When the bank foreclosed on a house, in many cases they used a robo-signer who did things like signing an affadavit under oath that they had personal information about the origin of the title when they actually didn’t. In order for a court to legally transfer title in a property, someone who represents the mortgage holder must give an affadavit that they have personal knowledge of the mortgage holder and the state of the loan. In many cases, banks used grotesque shortcuts in which people would sign other peoples’ names to a document attesting to the status of the title of a property (which is perjury), or the owner of the property was either improperly served or never served (so-called “sewer serves” became common, in which people would throw the service papers into a drain instead of serving them on the property owner with the delinquent mortage because there were far too many services required for the available personnel to physically deliver to homeowners with deliinquent mortgages), or in many cases an electronic system called MERS was used as evidence of title of a property when in actual fact MERS only pointed to the asignee of one small part of the original mortgage that got resold, but not to the owner of the actual mortgage.
When you take, say, a $700,000 dollar mortgage and slice it up into, say, 100 parts each worth $700 and resell those parts packed with many other parts of risky mortgages as a new type of investment, it becomes distinctly unclear who actually owns the mortgage. Suppose 10 big pension funds buy those 100 parts of the original mortgage — do the 10 big pension funds own the mortgage? Or does one big pension fund own the mortgage? Suppose all these 100 parts of the original mortgage get further split up and sliced and diced and repackaged as new securities and then resold to new people, and now those new investment vehicles collapse in value and some third party buys one of ’em and issues a foreclosure notice and asks a court to foreclose on a delinquent property based on their ownership of that smart part of the original mortgage…if the court transfers title to that third party, does the third party really have title to the property?
A big issue here revolves around the difference between assignees and mortgagees. An assignee is someone who has been legally designated as able to handle aspects of that mortgage — for example, to demand payment of the mortgage, to re-sell that sliced-up part of the original mortgage, and so on. But a mortgagee is the person who actually owns the mortgage. The two (assignee vs mortgagee) may not be the same. An asignee may not actually be owed the mortgage and thus might not be legally entitled to foreclose.
The courts have gotten very particular about this because in many cases it appears that assignees do not have legal standing to petitin the court to transfer title in a foreclosure proceeding. This occurs either because of improprieties in service foreclosures or in filing legal documents with the court cloud the chain of title (as for instance when someone falsely signs a loan officer’s name to a court document, which is simple fraud and perjury) or because it becomes entirely unclear who actually owns a mortgage at a basic level who or what has title to the original mortgage after the mortgage itself has been split up and sliced and diced and resold in a package with many other risky mortgages as some derivative financial instrument whose worth and actual relationship to the original mortgage is now completely unclear.
See this ruling by an Arizona court:
Source.
MERS is an electronic database for keeping track of mortgages that’s used by large mortgage holders like GMAC. However, due to the immense number of properties that must be foreclosed, instead of filing court documents consisting of affadavits by loan officers who originated the mortgage testifying to personal knowledge of the details of the delinquent mortgage, many court foreclosure filings instead just cite MERS database entries. But the mere fact that a database contains an entry pointing to GMAC as a mortgage asignee does NOT necessarily mean that GMAC (or any other entity) is entitled to get paid by the mortgage holder. This happens because the actual mortgage has been split up into so many small parts and those parts got packaged as an exotic new type of security with so many other small parts of so many different mortgages that it’s unclear to whom the mortgage is actually owed. Dozens of corporations or individuals might own tiny parts of each delinquent mortgage — to whom does the entire mortgage actually belong?
The process of splitting up these risky mortgages into small parts and repackaging ’em as derivative financial instruments appears to have permanently clouded the title to the mortgaged properties. When one entity (like GMAC) that owns a part of one of these resold mortages tries to foreclose, courts have refused because they point out that GMAC doesn’t have legally standing to foreclose. It’s only an assignee, not the actual mortgagee. It’s unclear in fact when you split up a bad mortgage into many different small parts and resell ’em, who the mortgagee actually is.
A MERS database entry is not a legal document. It’s just a numerical entry on a computer system. It doesn’t fulfill the legal requirements for proof of title, or even proof of standing to file a claim for title. Transferring title of a delinquent mortgage based on a mere MERS database entry would be like the police claiming that you’re in possession of a stolen vehicle because the DMV database shows you live at an old address and you’ve moved to a new one. The database entry isn’t proof, it’s just a record. To arrest you for driving a stolen vehicle, the police need actual proof that the vehicle is stolen, not just a mismatch in some DMV record. The cops would need to prove that the vehicle doesn’t actually belong to you, which is different from issues of the details (maybe you changed your name, maybe you moved to a new address since you got your drivers license) in a DMV database. To do something serious like transfer legal title to real property in a foreclosure proceeding, you need actual evidence of title ownership and you have to prove you have legal standing to file the foreclosure notice. A mere MERS database entry doesn’t qualify. Instead of being the original mortgage owner of record, the MERS (Mortgage Electronic Registration System) entry may simply be an assignee. But just because you’re an assignee doesn’t necessarily give you legal title to the mortgage, or to foreclose on that mortgage since the original mortgage has been sliced up and repakaged into so many small parts and resold to so many different entities like GMAC.
The issue of whether the assignee has legal standing to file for foreclosure has become an issue in the courts because such a huge blizzard of foreclosures have stormed through the courts recently that crazy things are happening. One guy in Florida got his house foreclosed even though he bought it for cash and didn’t even have a mortgage. So it’s clear that a lot of errors crop up in these electronic databases. This is why courts are starting to push back against the process of shortcutting a foreclosure filing by just submitting a MERS database entry instead of a proper affadavit for someone with legal standing to file for foreclosure. The robos-signers at GMAC apparently filed many thousands, if not millions, of false affadavist — false in the sense that the affadavit testified to knowledge which the signer did not have, since the signer was not the mortgage originator and had no knowledge of the actual legal holder of the mortgage.
Google the article “Tracking loans through a firm that owns millions” in the 24 April 2009 New York Times for a bizarre graphic from the New York Times showing the complexity of the MERS system. Not surprisingly, it looks as convoluted as the entire CDO mess that blew up the world financial system back in 2007. MERS is the same kind of deal. Take inherently risky bogus guaranteed-to-go-broke mortgages, slice ’em up into tiny parts, combine with other tiny parts of other risky mortgages, then resell ’em as a new investment vehicle that’s suppoedly much less risky. When the whole thing blows up, what is each part of the sliced-up mortgage worth? When the homeowner defaults, who actually has legal title to foreclose? None of this is clear.
From the NYT article mentioned above:
Here’s more from Yves Smith at the website nakedcapitalism. Smith makes the essential point that the people who signed off on huge numbers of these foreclosure notices on behalf of many hundreds of different entities like GMAC could not possibly have had the personal knowledge the affadavit requires in order to make the affadavit legal. In some cases, clerks in giant organizations where signing off on 10,000 foreclosure notices per month. That’s less than one minute per notice. Clearly someone who does that kind of foreclosure-mill work can’t possibly have any personal knowledge of the mortgage originator.
This goes back to the original sin of slicing up mortgage notes into small parts and recombining ’em and reselling ’em, in which case they often get resold through a chain of owners many different times. Who has legal standing to file for foreclosure in that kind of case? Who actually owns the mortgage? It’s unclear. Using shortcuts like MERS database entries don’t cut it, as courts have made clear. MERS is just a record but does not necessarily confer legal ownership of a mortgage or confer legal standing to foreclose. This constitutes a break in the chain of legal title, and the person who buys such a property at a foreclosure sale may not have legal title as a result. Because of this, title insurers have stopped insuring such title transfers en masse and the entire process as ground to a halt, because people who buy foreclosed properties can no longer be certain that they actually own title to the property. This is why the courts are now stepping in to shut down the entire process of robo-signing and affadavits based on MERS database entries.
Steeplejack
@Steeplejack:
From the same time: Gil Scott-Heron, “Winter in America.” A song unfortunately appropriate for the times facing us now.
Mnemosyne
@TaMara (BHF):
I made G come in from the other room to watch that and he laughed in all the right places.
I knew I was right to sit on that man until he agreed to marry me.
;-)
TrishB
Goddess above. When the NYT reports on a crime in their usual (at least relatively restrained) way, and you can barely read to the end, you know there’s something sick going on.
Gaybashing and torture
+not nearly enough for this shit
Steeplejack
@Mnemosyne:
Heh. Something like “that idiot from Columbia and her little Brown dwarf.”
My favorite line from the other night–Mitchell to Cameron: “You’re a Mafia wife. You don’t want to know about the family business, but you like wearing the mink coat that fell off the truck.”
jrg
This is for tonight. This is for tomorrow.
Yutsano
@mclaren: tl;dr. Learn it. Live it. Love it.
Steeplejack
@Yutsano:
No, you’ve got it all wrong. I was just following the inexorable chain of “six degrees of Cat Stevens” (or something).
Which led to this.
KG
@mclaren: hey, one of my law profs was cited in that AZ bankruptcy decision.
Corner Stone
@mclaren:
Obviously.
Ash Can
@Steeplejack: Ooh. Great song by a ridiculously underrated singer/songwriter.
Jewish Steel
Am I too late to invite you to a Jamaican wedding?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_St8Kbo4uwU
From “The Harder They Come The Harder They Fall”
Interesting to see that Jamaicans of yore don’t dance much better than I do.
BGinCHI
Must listen is Harlem’s “Hippies.”
Here: http://www.myspace.com/harlemduh
3-piece from Austin. Just perfect garage awesomeness.
Steeplejack
@Yutsano:
Selena? I like her almost as much as I like Xuxa.
Steeplejack
@Ash Can:
Amen to that. “Lady Day and John Coltrane.”
Ailuridae
Grabbed the wrong six pack at the store and am drinking Stone Pale Ale instead of Levitation. An unpleasant surprise.
Ailuridae +1/2
My business partner is over working on his game and is watching Hannity. Rich Lowry is on and Hannity and he are just spewing nonsense back and forth. I’ll never understand watching a TV show that holds it’s audience in contempt.
Steeplejack
I’m all over the map tonight. Lemongrass, “Sunrise on Fujiyama.”
BGinCHI
@Ailuridae: Had the Stone Session Ale tonight and it was ass.
They are a hit and miss brewery. Very good but also mouthfuls of meh.
mclaren
@Corner Stone:
Simple issues, murky process.
Come to think of it, that’s the shorter version of “life.”
General Stuck
@mclaren:
Beerilliant Watson!! Should be required reading at every insomniacs anonymous meeting. You may have found a cure.
Steeplejack
I love this song–Deirdre Wilson Tabac, “I Can’t Keep from Crying Sometimes.” There was a great mash-up video on YouTube that used it as the audio for a clip from the old movie I Am Cuba, but the Man has taken it down. Damn it.
Yutsano
@Steeplejack: Xuxa has a much more, umm, entertaining back story shall we say? Selena just defied her father to marry a guitarist. Xuxa…well…has a past. We’ll just leave it at that.
BGinCHI
@General Stuck: This is even more boring than Springtime for Hitler. If only Zero Mostel could have been privy to such esoteric economic detail.
Still, maybe setting it to music might make all the difference. Plus nazis.
Steeplejack
@Yutsano:
I am aware of all Xuxa traditions.
Brachiator
For John Winston Ono Lennon, MBE, who would have been 70 on October 9.
Dig A Pony
Because…
Yutsano
@Steeplejack: I figured you would be. You persistent heterosexualist you. :)
Steeplejack
@Yutsano:
I think if you combine Selena and Xuxa you get . . . Shakira.
Ailuridae
@BGinCHI:
I had the Session when they came to town (I am assuming you are in Chicago) in the Spring and didn’t really care for it. The Pale Ale I am drinking isn’t bad – just really pedestrian. If it weren’t unseasonably warm I would have gone to my cool weather standby – Great Lakes Edmund Fitzgerald Porter.
Where are you in Chicago? I’m over in Noble Square
Origuy
@mclaren: I’ve read about parts of this before, but you put it all together. Thanks.
I’m wondering if I should be freaking out. I’m trying to refinance my townhouse. The current servicer is GMAC; I have no idea if they are the mortgage holder. I bought the place from the developer, so title should be simple, except for this clusterfuck.
The appraiser is coming Monday, so I’m going to spend the weekend trying to get the place in as good a shape as possible, given that it needs new carpet and paint and isn’t going to get it.
Steeplejack
@Yutsano:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
Angry Black Lady
@TaMara (BHF): oh sweet baby bieber. i am posting that video YESTERDAY.
brilliant. i love isaiah mustafa.
General Stuck
@Steeplejack:
I love Shakira. Her hips are evolutionary perfection. She can sing good too, and an all around great human person.
Yutsano
@Steeplejack: You have to be very cautious with those mash-ups. You could end up with something like this. And amazingly enough this is not originally Japanese.
@Steeplejack: You are correct of course. I forgot the obligatory “Not that there’s anything WRONG with that!” My bad.
Steeplejack
@Brachiator:
Excellent choice.
“Nowhere Man.”
Steeplejack
Yee-haw! Braves edge the Giants 5-4 in 11 innings.
Malovich
@mclaren
Well, shit. That explains damn near everything.
tl;dr crowd: banks spread risk and bundle debts in new ways in a kind of shell game by dividing up a mortgage into small pieces and sells them off. Companies operate as assignees to track the money flow without the legal power of a mortgagee in order to reduce operating costs on banks while still able to collect money on the mortgage. An Assignee is not a mortgagee: no mortgagee means no ‘owner’ and no one with the power to foreclose on the mortgage. Banks who foreclose anyways are seriously risking getting their asses handed to them in a criminal court.
Oh, by the way John, enjoy this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yiyip3ddY4
‘I’m not a Democrat so much as anti-evil’
BGinCHI
@Ailuridae: Edgewater, due east of Andersonville.
Had said beer at Fountainhead. No, it’s not an Ayn Rand theme bar.
Fave dark beer of late is Left Hand Milk Stout. For seasonal, really digging New Holland’s Ichabod: pumpkin without the pumpkin pie. F’head had it on the cask for a while.
Steeplejack
@Brachiator:
A nice raw version of “In My Life” from José Feliciano.
Steeplejack
@Yutsano:
It was tacitly understood.
Steeplejack
@Yutsano:
Hey, now you’re recycling stuff from your “Phineas and Ferb in Japan” thing the other day.
ETA: Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
mclaren
@General Stuck:
Shorter General Crackpot Fake Name:
Ailuridae
@BGinCHI:
Do you ever head over to the Edgewater Tap (right before clark and ashland finally meet up)?) They’re really good people up that way. When I first moved north (1998) I lived next to the Aragon when that stretch of Lawrence was impossibly bad.
I’ve been talking for years that if I stay in Chicago I want to do a summer closer to the Lake. Edgewater is probably the only neighborhood I would like to live in though.
MikeJ
@Brachiator: Yes, John Lennon would be just five years younger than John “get off my grass” McCain.
General Stuck
@mclaren:
That’s all. Jeesh, I used to rate at least 1500 words. Must be slippin”
Mnemosyne
@Malovich:
You mean the exact same thing that This American Life told us two years ago in a more entertaining format?
Brachiator
@Steeplejack:
Yep. One of my favorites, from a great album.
Any Time At All
mclaren
@Yutsano:
ts;cts
(Too shallow, can’t take seriously.)
Yutsano
@Steeplejack: Ahem. Sverige called. They want the correct attribution of their art piece back.
This, I believe, is what you were referring to. Notice the subtle differences please.
mclaren
@General Stuck:
You are.
Mnemosyne
@mclaren:
Say, mclaren, can you tell us where this quote came from?
Why, looky here, seems it was you, at comment #166.
But, please, tell me again now that I have the link for you that I’m a lying liar who lies because I’m just like Karl Rove.
mclaren
A blast from the past: John Whitney, “Permutations,” 1966.
Filmed from the black-and-white video display of an IBM System 360 computer and then recolored by hand. Yes, a computer music video from 1966.
scav
@BGinCHI: whew you warped my brain there for entirely too many seconds because I was trying to place your Fountainhead in Andersonville or Edgewater. Not that I mind finding out about new places to drink beer, it just really really worried me that I missed one so close to me. As it’s on Montrose and that far south I can absolve my geographic self heavy sigh. Thanks.
mclaren
@Mnemosyne:
Thanks for screaming yet another socoipathic compulsive lie. You clearly haven’t gotten enough therapy yet, since you can’t even recognize when you’re lying.
Here’s where you lied, sociopath: when you claimed that I accuse anyone with whom I disagree of masturbating to Holocaust videos.
An obvious lie. As we can clearly and self-evidently see, since I disagree with you about just about everything but have never accused you of masturbating to Holocaust videos.
You’ve got some serious emotional problems. But there’s no evidence that you jack off to Holocaust footage.
Incidentally, the kind of infantile lie you just told proves all too typical of the classic sociopath. Make an hysterical claim about someone who points out your sociopathic behavior, then double down on the lie whenever you get outed as a liar. A person with a conscience would admit “I was wrong,” but the sociopath just punches the LOUDNESS button and cranks the lie up to 11.
Mnemosyne, your behavior comes straight of Dr. Hare’s classic “Sociopathy checklist:
3. NEED FOR STIMULATION or PRONENESS TO BOREDOM. Haven’t you got anything better to do on a Friday night than scream lies?
4. PATHOLOGICAL LYING. Requires no comment.
5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS. An obvious example above. You neglected to point out that I hammered on that sonofabitch with my quote because he was trying to defend the president of the United States ordering a U.S. citizen assassinated without trial or charges.
6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT. Your post 100 in this thread offers a classic example.
7. SHALLOW AFFECT. “emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of feelings.” Yup, that’s you, Mnemosyne. Your emotional range runs all the way from snarling to shrieking.
8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY. Self-evident in everything you post.
10. POOR BEHAVIORAL CONTROLS. Goes without saying.
Yes indeedy, Mnemosyne embodies the Hare Sociopathy Checklist.
Clearly my statement of these facts has struck a nerve, since you parachuted in to pull down your slacks and squat and let your latest piece of verbiage plop onto the forum.
Truth hurts, doesn’t it, kiddo?
Steeplejack
@Yutsano:
Subtle differences noted.
ETA: FYWP! Eating comments again.
Yutsano
@Steeplejack: The WordPress gods are angry with you young Padawan. Maybe your sacrifice was insufficient or something.
PS am I wrong for wanting to make popcorn and watch Mnemosyne and mclaren go at it? I mean Mnemosyne will chew it to pieces, especially since it seems unable to contain itself.
mclaren
Another arguably even more brainfrying computer music video from 1972:
John Whitney, “Martrix III.” Also done by filming the B&W screen of an IBM System 360 computer monitor and then hand-coloring the film.
mclaren
@Yutsano:
Shorter Yutsano:
Steeplejack
@Brachiator:
Now you’ve sent me down the Floyd hole, ransacking YouTube for old Beatles stuff. Seem to have reached a maudlin epiphany with “No Reply.” One of my all-time favorites. Love the epic drop chord at “I saw the light!” (1:40 and later).
I miss John–and George, too. We lost so much good music.
Mnemosyne
@mclaren:
I do love you, mclaren. If anyone points out that you’re even the slightest bit wrong — like when you denied that you accused anyone of masturbating to Holocaust videos even though I had the evidence in my back pocket — you have go balls-to-the-wall, have a total meltdown, and keep throwing around the nutty accusations to cover up that you were wrong. You just can’t help yourself.
I’d like to think you were the tiniest bit embarrassed that you went too far with that comment and that’s why you’re lashing out, but we’ve seen this before, so I know that’s not it. You just can’t stand even a hint that you might be wrong about something, can you?
Tattoosydney
Make you feel my love – Adele.
JGabriel
TPM on Rich Iott, Marcy Kaptur’s teabagger challenger – Ohio Tea Partier Spent Weekends Playing Nazi Games :
I’m so happy to learn that there are normal reasons for Nazi cosplay.
How exactly does that work? I can’t wait to read his kid’s memoir: “Dad would play the dominant Aryan Nazi ubermensch, and I would play the cowering traumatized Jew. Or, sometimes, I would play the cowering about-to-be-slaughtered Commie. It was all very educational.”
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Steeplejack
@Yutsano:
I’m all about the love tonight.
Tattoosydney
Made me laugh – Jesus being a jerk.
Just Some Fuckhead
John is in a Country & Western bar trying to line dance drunkenly right now.
Yutsano
@Tattoosydney: From the comments:
Truer words were never spoken. Nothing says great art than opening yourself up to a million interpretations.
Come stai?
@Just Some Fuckhead:
I would sooo pay for a YouTube of that exact phenomenon.
Steeplejack
@Tattoosydney:
Good to see you tonight. Was hoping that Lemongrass might summon your presence.
mclaren
@Mnemosyne:
Once again you have to lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. Show me where I denied I accused anyone of jacking off to archival Holocaust footage. I’m proud of suggesting that someone who applauds the president ordering the murder of a U.S. citizen without charges or trial probably gets off by watching death camp snuff footage — because a person that degraded probably does.
The rest of us shudder with horror at the thought of someone cheering on the wanton of an innocent human being. But some of the bottom feeders on this forum have clapped their hands raw for that kind of atrocity.
Those people deserve a lot worse than being accused of jacking off to snuff films because they’ve got an empty spot where a conscience would be in an ordinary human being.
Keep screaming those lies, Mnemosyne, to cover up your delight with America’s descent into a police state. Like all sociopaths, you don’t care who gets brutalized as long as you get to watch.
Just Some Fuckhead
@mclaren: Jesus Mclaren, that thing is huge.
Tattoosydney
@Yutsano:
I like me some happy house, but please god make it stop.
Just Some Fuckhead
@JGabriel: I bet the kids trainset ran on time.
Steeplejack
@Just Some Fuckhead:
Hey, whatever happened to Laura W? Somehow I feel you should know.
Just Some Fuckhead
@Steeplejack: Email me.
Mnemosyne
@Tattoosydney:
You will not thank me for this, but I’m sending you over to Superdickery, which consists of covers and comic panels that prove that Superman is a dick.
Well, that, and trying to deny that Batman and Robin are gay, but he’s not having a lot of luck with that proposition.
You’ll emerge from the archives about 12 hours blinking at that strange light that may be the sun. It get kind of immersive seeing what weirdness is going to show up next.
Steeplejack
@Tattoosydney:
I’m going with Matt Alber.
Tattoosydney
Mariza – Primavera (Spring).
Steeplejack
@Just Some Fuckhead:
What address?
Might be crashing shortly, as late-shift reaction syndrome sets in.
Steeplejack
@Tattoosydney:
Always like Mariza.
mclaren
@Just Some Fuckhead:
You sound like my girlfriend.
morzer
@mclaren:
I see your diet of a can of beef stew and a jug of bile every day has done wonders for your disposition as well as your complexion.
Mnemosyne
@mclaren:
Okay:
Comment #59, if you have trouble finding it.
See, if someone says, “You did this,” and your response is, “YOU LIE!” and then it turns out that you did do it, then the person who said that you said it isn’t the one who’s lying, are they?
Just Some Fuckhead
@Steeplejack: jack dot jackson0512 at google mail.
Just Some Fuckhead
@mclaren: Dude, I can buy a lot of shit but there is no fucking way you have a girlfriend.
Yutsano
@Mnemosyne: :: munches popcorn furiously ::
My money’s on the California gal from the Midwest.
mclaren
@morzer:
And I see your daily habit of exposing yourself to underage girls hasn’t done you any good.
Of course you know that I don’t eat beef stew every day, and since you’ve decided to constantly reiterate that misrepresentation, well, turnabout is fair play, isn’t it?
Tattoosydney
@Yutsano:
Muito bom, obrigado. E tu?
Cozinho uma torta creme com pêssego seco (porque não tenho algumas tâmaras).
morzer
@Just Some Fuckhead:
Well, he never said she was alive….
Tattoosydney
@Steeplejack:
Hello there. I thought I would drop in between rolling out shortcrust pastry. How are you?
Mnemosyne
@Yutsano:
mclaren’s starting to sound kinda like this guy.
morzer
@mclaren:
Oh I don’t know. The girls like it. And we get much more pleasure out of the experience than you do out of your bile and beef stew combo.
suzanne
I feel like I need to get mclaren a gift. A copy of “How to Win Friends and Influence People”? A bottle of OxyContin and some really shitty vodka? Footage of matoko_chan drunkenly masturbating while moaning borderline incoherencies, from which the phrases “memetic selection”, “Republicans”, and “crunk” are barely discernible? Maybe just some fucking Metamucil and castor oil.
Mnemosyne
@suzanne:
Or just a Pepsi.
mclaren
@Mnemosyne:
At this point, we have to wonder whether tertiary syphilis is responsible for your apparently inability to comprehend the English language. Your case of reading comprehension problems seems too extreme to be explained away by lesser dysfunctions.
As everyone well knows, your lie consists of the typical sociopathic Big Lie, the classic sociopathic blanket statement: you claimed that I accused everyone who disagrees with me of getting off on archival Holocaust video. (A sociopath like you can never make a limited claim like “I disagree with you in this instance,” or “You are wrong in this particular case”; no, like a classic sociopath you must accuse anyone who reveals your socipathy of “always doing X.” It is in the nature of the sociopath’s pathology to be unable to limit the range and scope of your lies. I can’t just say something you didn’t like, I must “always accuse everyone who disagrees with me” of something you don’t like.)
I disagree with plenty of people but only in one case have I suggested that someone does that. That case was well-deserved, someone who applauded and publicly cheered the president of the United States taking on powers of judicial murder that would have appalled even William the Conquerer and King James.
Provide hard evidence that “everyone I disagree with” I have accused of getting off on Holocaust footage, or stand revealed as a compulsive pathological liar and character assassin.
Just Some Fuckhead
@suzanne: It might be easier just to find out if he’s signed up with any gift registries.
morzer
@suzanne:
I am sure he’d enjoy a copy of Going Rogue. Or possibly My Pet Goat. Light reading for light minds.
Just Some Fuckhead
@morzer: Books are a good gift idea. I’ll tell ya what I get as a gift when I don’t really know the person (and ya can’t go wrong with this): nice picture frames. Everyone needs picture frames.
Mnemosyne
@mclaren:
Actually, what I said was:
Yes, folks, that’s the entire horrible, insulting, lying comment from me that set off this two-thread circus and thousands of words spewed from mclaren.
It’s #33, if you’d like to check back on it, mclaren.
morzer
@Just Some Fuckhead:
I dare say mclaren can frame the mirror he stares into so lovingly… Do they have funhouse mirror frames?
morzer
@Mnemosyne:
Brutal, sir, simply brutal.
Well done.
Just Some Fuckhead
@Mnemosyne: I don’t mean this in a bad way but you seem very argumentative.
mclaren
@morzer:
Well, it’s certainly better than your habit of pushing grannies’ wheelchairs down stairs, isn’t it?
What’s that?
You don’t do that?
Since I don’t subsist on a diet of beef stew, it all evens out.
Hey, Mnemosyne, the reason you’re sitting around posting lies on a Friday night is that you just haven’t found your own personal Charles Manson, isn’t it?
A word to the wise: carving stuff into your forehead is really hard to fix with plastic surgery. Best think twice about that.
mclaren
@Mnemosyne:
Lie proven.
Game, set, match.
morzer
@mclaren:
Oh but I do. I remember your granny thanking me with tears in her eyes, because she could no longer stand the smell of stale beef stew that you brought with you on every visit.
suzanne
@Just Some Fuckhead: What does Emily Post have to say regarding protocol on registering for frozen pizzas and enemas?
Mnemosyne
@Just Some Fuckhead:
Well, I do have a touch of PMS right now, so that helps. But mostly I just think mclaren crossed a line with the Holocaust crack but the thread it happened in went well over 500 so she was able to ignore the people who called her out there.
I knew she would defend it to the death as the Right and True thing to say because she was Speaking Truth to Power (in the comments section of a liberal blog), but I have to admit it cracked me up to actually see her do it.
Mnemosyne
@mclaren:
I’m 41 years old and married. Where am I supposed to be, a singles bar? I’m sitting on the couch with my knitting and making you look like a fool.
Just Some Fuckhead
@Mnemosyne: No, I mean all the time. :)
morzer
@Mnemosyne:
PMS being Post Mclaren Syndrome?
Mnemosyne
@Just Some Fuckhead:
Well, yeah. I do like to argue, but I’m too shy to do it IRL, so I do it online instead.
But, c’mon, even Gandhi would be arguing with mclaren right about now.
morzer
@Mnemosyne:
Careful, or mclaren will accuse you of claiming she was responsible for the Amritsar massacre.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
Could mclaren go find Corner Stone so the two of them can go off into a corner and sexually amuse each other?
I want to talk about Eddie, but I haven’t pied mclaren yet, so it’s kind of awkward. And where is asiangrrlMN, for fuck’s sake? Isn’t she usually on by now?
morzer
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
After a daily diet of beef stew and bile, I am sure mclaren would leap on the pie with savage growling and elbows flying.
Yutsano
@Mnemosyne:
I realize it’s just me and my sick twisted sense of humor, but it’s really hard for me to not have fun with that line right there.
Mnemosyne
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
I’m getting ready to go to bed, actually — I have to do a (short) charity bike ride tomorrow morning. How is Eddie holding up?
mclaren
@Mnemosyne:
The difference is that Gandhi and I would be arguing about the extremes of decency and humaneness with which the state must treat the individual human being, while you argue about microscopic minutia in your latest in a seemingly endless stream of lies and character assassinations and distortions and evasions.
Speaking of John Lennon and anniversaries: Mnemosyne said a few weeks back that she “never got the help she needed” in high school. That was the exact same thing Mark David Chapman said before he bought a gun and got on a flight to New York in 1980.
suzanne
@Mnemosyne: I’m not convinced it’s worth arguing with her. I feel like all she needs is a couple of weeks to take the Activia challenge.
Yutsano
@Tattoosydney: I haz a three day weekend, I’m on the first plane over the pond.
Speaking of dates, I don’t know whether I should be proud of this fact, but I’ve been to this place, which is in the middle of the desert in California. But I fell in love with honey dates there. Like eating pure sugar.
Ailuridae
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
How is Eddie? It is amazing that mclaren is such a loon that on a blog with Corner Stone, JSF and others none of them rate in the conversation for most useless non-troll poster. He’s the Buddy Biancalana of Balloon-Juice
Mnemosyne
@suzanne:
Oh, it’s not an argument. We’re just watching her project so hard that her neighbors must be seeing Avatar through their wall.
suzanne
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN): How’s his paw doing? Poor kid.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Mnemosyne: How is Eddie holding up? Fine. He seems in good shape. It’s me that I’m worried about. I got a call from the surgeon today, who not only reiterated that Eddie’s paw is healing well, but that he’d talk to the oncology folks. They told him (which I hadn’t) that Eddie is the *only* case of lymphoma of the skin in a cat that they’ve seen at the University of Minnesota Veterinary Center (far be it from Eddie to get anything common). So, they have no idea howl ong he has. They did point out that it’s possible that the lymphoma hasn’t spread from where it was, which means that the amputation of his toes may have removed all of the cancer. So, it’s possible that he’s now completely cancer free.
They also said that, if that’s true, he probably has a genetic predisposition to it, since this is the second time he’s had it.
So, it will probably be what kills him. Will that be next month? Will it be in 2015? I have no idea. I feel so decidedly ambivalent here. Obviously, I’m thrilled that he might be around for a long time yet. At the same time, one of the few upsides of the diagnosis that his cancer was back is that I could finally relax and stop being terrified at all times that anything I observed about him meant that he was going to die. If I knew he was going to die soon anyway, I could at least relax and enjoy him while he’s here.
Now, I’m kind of back where I was a few weeks ago. On the upside, he has very clearly figured how to walk again again. He isn’t moving around much right now, but that’s clearly just because he hates trying to walk in the bandage they sent him home in. When I appear with the food bowl, he moves plenty quickly.
morzer
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
I can offer you some encouragement. My cat was given 6 months to live after a diagnosis of lymphoma, and she survived 4 years and 9 months, and gave us great joy.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Ailuridae:
I love that. At least Bill Pecota became an acronym for a projection system. Even Lance Blankenship had a couple of years where he managed to draw enough walks to be useful.
I guess all that makes Corner Stone the Dave Kingman of commenting: more famous than Ken Phelps, but a lot less valuable.
Yutsano
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
The exact same thing could be said about you. You could die in a freak accident or get murdered tomorrow. It’s not worth focusing on. Instead, enjoy your life with Eddie with no regrets and no sorrows. He will be just fine even if he goes to the Rainbow Bridge in his sleep tonight. Because he died happy and loved. It’s all any being really wants.
Mnemosyne
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
I’ll tell you another thing that my really good vet said when Natasha was sick — it’s always a valid option to do nothing with a seriously ill pet. At this point, since they think it will probably recur, your best bet is probably just to keep him as healthy as you can and treat any pain that he has, but don’t do any more cancer treatment.
We did exactly one round of chemo on Tashi before the tumors got to her lungs and, while we don’t regret it, we were really torn about even doing that because the vet explained it wouldn’t cure it, just push it back a little. I’m actually kind of glad things moved as fast as they did because it wasn’t long or drawn-out for any of us.
I say just keep him comfortable, let him live for as long as he has, and enjoy him while he’s there. And get that number for a mobile vet from your regular vet so you can have him put to sleep at home when/if it comes to that and not have to take him back to the office.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@morzer: My situation is even more fluid than that. Eddie originally came down with lymphoma of the skin, and I assume that’s what he was diagnosed with this time. As I said, the UofM Vet Center has never seen another case of it, and they’re a top rate vet hospital. Two years ago, they had to send some of his tissue samples to Penn State for analysis.
It is lymphoma, but different. I don’t remember all of the details right now, but it starts as a tumor in a layer of fat under the skin. It is in the lymphatic system, but localized. It can develop into what people think of as lymphoma, but it isn’t fatal until then. It’s entirely unpredictable (in humans, there is next to no literature on cats) how long it will remain localized. When it spreads, it typically goes to the chest or abdomen. I had a full set of scans done on him before having his leg amputated two years ago, and there was no sign of it spreading.
This time, they only took an x-ray of his chest, because there is a rare form of cancer in cats that starts there, and the next place it goes is to the toes. They wanted to make sure that wasn’t what it was before we bothered amputating. So, I assume (and plan on asking explicitly next week) that there is no sign of lymphoma that they see in his chest.
However, I don’t plan to have any more tests done on him. In fact, I’m fairly determined that the toe amputation is the last major procedure that will ever be performed on him. From here on, if he develops something, that’s it. I’ll keep him on steroids and pain killers until he’s ready to go on, and then have him put to sleep.
I just no longer have any idea whether that means he never sees another Christmas, or is still here in five years. It’s a mystery.
Ailuridae
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
Sweet! When I was 14 or 15 I ate with Lance Blankenship’s and Walt Weiss’ families at whatever that famous pizzeria was by the old Yankee stadium.
I was told in 2002 that my beloved cat Joe Roberts had six months to live and he survived for another 27 months of happiness. I had to clean up a whole lot of cat pee in that time but I regret even thinking of putting him down early.
Yutsano
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
Bingo. You just advanced three spaces in the Game of Life.
Mnemosyne
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
It’s like that line at the end of Blade Runner:
It’s too bad she won’t live! But then again, who does?
It’s a cliche to say, “You’ll know when it’s time,” but it’s true.
ETA: And with that, it’s bedtime for Mnemo. ‘Night, all.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Mnemosyne:
there will be no chemo, and there will be no radiation therapy. Frankly, if they had found out that it was lymphoma before they amputated, there wouldn’t even have been that. The next time that I am told that he has cancer, as opposed to there being a possibility of the past tense, is the last time I will be told that.
The more frightening thing is the possibility that he will be diagnosed with something else (like this time, which was supposed to be a simple infection) while he is still eating like a horse and running around with full energy. What the fuck do I do then? At this point, my inclination is to just let him go. If he makes it two years before something like that happens? I don’t know.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Mnemosyne: Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% mortality rate.
Mark S.
Well, that was a fun new thread while it lasted.
morzer
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
That’s what happened with our cat. We did a round of chemo, and when the lymphoma came back, we knew we couldn’t do more than just prolong the suffering, so we switched to steroids, and she lasted about 6 weeks, and was a marvel until the end. As far as we could see, she wasn’t in pain, just couldn’t absorb nutrition, because the lymphoma was in the stomach. I think you’ve done all you can, and you should try and make peace with yourself and with the bitter fact of mortality. Our cat died six weeks ago on Monday, and is deeply mourned to this day, but we also know how lucky we were to have her companionship and affection. If we had not known her, our lives would have been less.
Mnemosyne
@Mark S.:
D’oh! Hopefully John hasn’t passed out yet and can fix it.
Now I really am going to sleep.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
Jesus. It took someone four whole posts to break the new open thread above this.
THERE’S NO COMMENTING BOX! WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH NOWHERE TO BITCH!
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
Mnemosyne is going to sleep, and I haven’t even gotten to how much fun the Gophers’ women’s hockey game was tonight, and how glad I am to have season tickets.
Yutsano
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN): Paging Anne Laurie. Anne Laurie please come to the Home, Crap Home thread immediately. Anne Laurie to the Home, Crap Home thread immediately please.
Mnemosyne
Okay, really last comment before I bail. I swear.
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
That’s part of making him comfortable — treat the things that are non-fatal but annoying to him, give him pain meds or antibiotics as needed, and keep him company.
Not to get all touchy-feely-psychological on you, but it sounds like your vet center is big enough that they may have a counselor on staff that you can talk to who could help you sort out the actual details of what and when and what behaviors to watch out for. It might put your mind at ease a little.
And I am, after all, the psychological twin of Mark David Chapman, so I know whereof I speak when it comes to psychology, right?
Gravenstone
Seeing as the new thread is borked, I’ll drop this here as a counterpoint to John’s embed. Peace out, y’all,
Andy K
If I might impose, would anyone care to give me some feedback on this. It’s for a friend. I think this might be the right crowd for him.
suzanne
I’m just going to say that I find the ads for that shitty Jane Seymour jewelry absolutely hilarious. You know, the cheap-yet-overpriced necklaces that look like two conjoined asses?
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
Also, for anyone going through life and death issues, I can’t recommend Queen’s Made in Heaven highly enough. It’s a band I love dearly, but this is what I think was there best album. It was recorded entirely after they all knew that Freddie was dying, and is the album they didn’t think they’d get to make. Innuendo was intended to be the farewell album, but Freddie had just enough strength to do a few more songs, a couple of which are remakes of songs he did on a solo album in the 90s. Other tracks are songs that didn’t make it into earlier albums, and few are original for it. It ends with a haunting 23 minute, very quiet, reprise. I have listened to it a lot over the last couple of years, and it’s very soothing.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@suzanne: Yeah, but it’s Jane Seymour. I could watch those commercials all day long, particularly if they’d show more of her and less of the jewelry.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Andy K: I might be more than happy to comment, even though you’re a traitor to your state. However, I can’t find the actual story, just the post saying I have to subscribe to a hard copy something or other to read it.
Restrung
somebody bitchslapped the thread upstairs. probably a hyphen. or so I hear. and I so wanted to say g’nite to … aw never mind.
Andy K
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
Traitor to my state…Heh! You sound like my uncle who has Downs Syndrome, who calls me a dirty, rotten Packer fan, even though I love the Tigers, Pistons and Wings.
Let me ask you this: Are natives of Toledo who root for the Detroit teams traitors to their state?
BTW, I linked the entire front page of that blog, but here’s one to a specific story.
Oh, and I’ve got a subscription, and it’s a very, very good story.
Mark S.
@Andy K:
I did like this
It’s funny because it’s true.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Andy K:
Yes, but it’s a good thing to be a traitor to Ohio. I don’t look down on Soviet citizens who spied for the US, either. As someone who grew up in Ann Arbor and has been a Golden Gopher for 25 years, Wisconsin is almost as bad as Ohio.
Andy K
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
Hey, my grandmother grew up in Muskegon and went to school in Ann Arbor, and she was a Packers’ fan when the Lions were still the Portsmouth Spartans- and that’s my mom’s side of the family! Dad’s side got to the UP (Gladstone and Kipling, which is suburban Gladstone) via Algoma, WI, which sprouted up on my great-great-uncle’s old farm.
And I knew you’d say that about Ohio, and I agree.
Yutsano
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
Show me on the doll where Russ touched you.
Andy K
And, according to David Maraniss, Vince Lombardi was a liberal! So take that!
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Yutsano: Russ? Jesus, you’re a Johnny-come-lately. If you don’t know who the traitorous Osieckis are, don’t even start to get involved in this.
Andy K
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
Do the Goofers still have a football team?
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Andy K: Gladstone? Kipling? Are you going to invoke Disraeli next?
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Andy K: What is this “college football” thing to which you refer?
Sarah Erickson is going to rip the Badgers a new one this year.
Andy K
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
The Brits invested a lot of money into the railroad that terminated at the Cleveland Cliffs Mining Company’s docks in Kipling, hence the names.
Andy K
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
Good for her (them?). I’m not a Badgers’ fan. I’ve been a Wolverines’ fan from the moment I heard Bob Ufer back in the early ’70s.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Andy K: Sorry. All the Yoopers I know are from north of Marquette. They also have the sense to be loyal.
Andy K
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
Well, yeah- they’re Techies! Most of them aren’t real Yoopers, just 4-year visitors.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Andy K: At least you aren’t a Spartan. It’s funny, the team I root for has changed since I came up here (college sports only), but the team I hate hasn’t. I don’t actually hate the Badgers. However, until the University of Michigan womans up a puts a female hockey team on the ice, what am I supposed to do?
Wayne Fucking State has a women’s hockey team. So does Finlandia. What’s wrong in Ann Arbor and East Lansing?
Mark S.
Hey, anybody can lose to South Dakota.
It looks like Brett Favre maybe was trying to get laid when he played for the Jets. The NFL is investigating. Why in god’s name does the union allow the league to punish players for shit like this? Oh that’s right, because the NFL players union sucks.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Mark S.: The best thing about Favre playing for the Vikings is that Packers fans all of a sudden understand that the media have been slobbering on his cock for two decades.
Andy K
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
It might be a Title IX, equal number of scholarships kind of thing- but I’m just guessing.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Andy K: Well, yeah, they’re Techies, but there parents are faculty, except the one that owns a gas station.
Funny. As far as I can tell, no one from south of Marquette has had the sense to get out of the UP.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Andy K: Uhm, given that the problem is having enough women athletes to comply, I suspect that this isn’t the reason. In 2012, Penn State is going to have a women’s team (and a men’s team), to go along with Minnesota, Ohio State and Wisconsin. If a backwards ass hellhole like Columbus can figure it out, what’s wrong?
Andy K
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
Some of us have known it all along. Guys like LeRoy Butler, Robert Brooks and Doug Evans never got their dues because of all of the attention paid to Favre. I never wore the guy’s jersey, and I got more pissed at him after that playoff loss to the Rams- where he threw what? 5 picks? 6?- than I’ve ever been at anyone who where’s the laundry I cheer.
Andy K
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
My grandparents did. They moved to Muskegon- from where my parents had the sense to leave in ’68.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Andy K: I’m a Lions’ fan. If I started to count interceptions, I’d cry.
Edit: And it’s not like transferring my college loyalties to the Gophers has changed that.
Yutsano
@Mark S.: Oh it gets bettah. Among the allegations is the little factoid that Brett showed off his piece to the object of his
lustsaffections. Said pictures are now leaked upon the Internet.Chuck Butcher
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
Well, shit. When I went to MTU most of the Keewenaw had a worse economic state than Harlem of the time. ’71
Andy K
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
Hmm, let’s see…Milt Plum, 1962, against the Bears.
Welling up?
Chuck Butcher
So, now I get to cry about being Browns fan?
Andy K
@Chuck Butcher:
So, Chuck…Could you get the Garden (Peninsula) Green up in Houghton back then?
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Andy K: All you’ve done is prove that I could go back to before I was born and still cry.
Adversity breeds virtue. Dropping the team you should root for for a winner breeds sin. And Super Bowl celebrations.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Chuck Butcher: Jim Brown retired more recently than Bobby Lane, so fuck you.
Andy K
@Chuck Butcher:
Well, think of it this way: You’d be doing a solid for a certain Lions’ fan who can point out that his team beat yours for their last championship.
In your face, Cleveland!
I keed, I keed….
Chuck Butcher
@Andy K:
That’s a long time ago. I have to admit that my interests at the time had to do with playing hockey, chasing the damn near non-existent female, alcohol and other mind altering substances, and the little matter of a BSME.
Chuck Butcher
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
God I loved watching that guy, not to mention watching a PhD in mathematics quarterback – geek justification.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
I have to admit, I thought the most controversial thing I’d said in this thread was that Made in Heaven is the greatest album Queen ever recorded.
Andy K
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
I didn’t drop anyone. My Great-grandfather was a Packers’ fan from Day One. So was my grandfather (b. 1914). My dad, born and raised in Muskegon, got up on the roof every Sunday during the season to adjust the antenna in order to watch the tv broadcast from Milwaukee. I did the same thing with my dad when I was a kid- but we had to drive from GR to Muskegon to do it.
And the Packers sucked ass when I was a kid. I used to catch shit from Lions fans every Monday at school! And guess what: I’m STILL a Packers’ fan, and those guys who cracked on the Pack don’t follow the Lions any longer.
Chuck Butcher
@Andy K:
I have to admit that the cRavens get a middle finger from me and joy at any mis-step. childish stuff
Mark S.
@Yutsano:
That just shows how much he loves the game.
And Jim Brown and Bobby Layne? That’s kickin’ it old school. How about some Sammy Baugh and Sid Luckman?
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
@Mark S.: Hey, don’t knock Sid Luckman. Being stuck behind him was the reason Bobby Layne was traded to the New York Bulldogs, who traded him to the Lions.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN)
Time for me to go to bed. The Gophers start the conference schedule tomorrow afternoon. Against Wayne State.
Chuck Butcher
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal (JMN):
I was headed there until somebody brought up Tech. Damn, that was a while ago.
Chuck Butcher
Whoa, did that post up page assplode
Andy K
Meh, you get to be childish over something like that. I respect the Cleveland Browns’ fan-base for it’s loyalty through a lot of lean years. Same for the much smaller Lions’ fan-base. I recall having a cigarette and a Jack and Coke during a game in the late ’80s at the Silverdome with a scrawny rivethead wearing his UAW-Flint Truck and Bus windbreaker, a guy who had only two things to look forward to in life: The bar after the end of second shift, and his season tickets for the Lions.
The conversation went something like this:
Me: Christ, the Packers suck.
Him: So do the Lions. But we gotta love ’em.
Me: Yes sir.
thalarctos
@bostondreams: funny you should mention it. I watched it for the first time the other night.
Apparently, the corresponding British word for “baby-daddy” is “baby-father”. Always so formal. Pretty good show, though.
Andy K
I’m out, too. Gotta go watch an 8-year old right tackle before the Wolverines-Spartans. Go Blue! Go Pack! Go Lions! Go Browns!
Chuck Butcher
@Andy K:
There is always that. I have to admit that the Lions do make me glad that my emotional fortitude doesn’t get that seriously challenged. One of my better friends roots for the Bucs so … well misery, company – all that
Chuck Butcher
@Andy K:
Gad, I was born at UofM Ann Arbor…
asiangrrlMN
@Steeplejack: Every time I hear that song, I smile. Ta.
@Yutsano: Yeah. Even I am not that long-winded, and I am pretty damn long-winded.
@Tattoosydney: That’s a gorgeous song.
Damn. My sleep cycle is all messed up. I’ll try to get back on track for tomorrow night because I hate missing the late-night shift.
Svensker
@Mark S.:
It’s good to hear Brett was trying to do SOMETHING during that year, cuz he sure wasn’t trying to QB.
I’m hoping for the Jay Cutler treatment of Brett on Monday night — let’s go for 10 sacks!
uloborus
On the off chance that anybody is still reading this thread, did Memn and Mclaren spend the entire thread yelling insults at each other just for fun rather than any personal animosity? It kind of read that way, but I don’t enjoy that sort of thing so I have trouble identifying it.
Mnemosyne
@uloborus:
No, I really do hate mclaren. I try to ignore her most of the time because she has nothing interesting to say and never brings any new information to the table, but claiming that people jerk off to Holocaust videos was really a new low for her.
Usually she restrains herself to making crazy claims like saying it’s impossible to get a new Social Security card if you lose yours, so she’s easily ignored.
Corner Stone
@Mnemosyne: If you stopped blatantly lying your ass off you probably wouldn’t have much to say to/with mclaren.
But if you actually did that then you’d have about 95% less things to post here.
So, I’m not too hopeful.