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NFL Open Thread

by John Cole|  October 31, 20101:42 pm| 211 Comments

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  1. 1.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    As does yours.

  2. 2.

    Arclite

    October 31, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    I was a huge Giants fan. Then I moved to Japan in the 90s and was unable to watch it for six years. When I got back, I found I’d totally lost interest in watching sports on TV…

  3. 3.

    Tom Levenson

    October 31, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    I’m a Giants fan too. Just not those Giants.

    Go SF!

  4. 4.

    S. cerevisiae

    October 31, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Yes, yes it does. But I will still be cheering them on later no matter what with a tall, frosty glass of Bridgeport Hop Czar. Skol Vikings!

    Q: What do the Minnesota Vikings and Billy Graham have in common?

    A: They can both make 60,000 people stand up and yell “Jesus Christ!”

  5. 5.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    @S. cerevisiae: Bwahahahahahaha! Funny as hell.

    Thanks, Cole, for the open NFL thread. One thing I love about you is that you listen to your commentariat. You are such a giver.

  6. 6.

    Martin

    October 31, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    So, I now have a (training) sword-wielding black belt in my household. Not sure that smile is ever going to come off his face. Getting candy today is just icing on that cake.

    Since half of y’alls teams are going to win and half lose, I’ll not take sides on the well wishing. Let’s just settle for clean games with no injuries. Oh, and FTFY!

  7. 7.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    @John Cole

    My team has more championships than yours.

  8. 8.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    @Andy K: That’s a bit unfair. No one can match Green Bay on Championships.

  9. 9.

    RinaX

    October 31, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Thank goodness for the Cowboys. Assuming the Jaguars don’t collapse in the second half (which is very possible), they may enable us to go into our bye week at 4-4 and give us fans an extra week of feeling ok before the inevitable shellacking we will take the second half of the season.

  10. 10.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Grrrrrr…Packers’ aching defense playing well while the much healthier offense….is not.

  11. 11.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    @RinaX:

    If the season continues as it has begun, I may have to consider feeling compassion for Jerry Jones. This is a most disconcerting possibility.

  12. 12.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    @Andy K: Their defense is playing reeeaaallly well right now.

  13. 13.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    @morzer:

    My attitude towards Jones has changed over the last decade or so due to the fact that he’s willing to take on reclamation projects. I do wish he’d stay off the sideline, though.

  14. 14.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: No need to gloat about it!

    @morzer: Not me. I am savoring every Cowboy loss.

  15. 15.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    C’est la vie.

  16. 16.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    @morzer: Na Ga Na Happen.

  17. 17.

    Z

    October 31, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    My team sucks in London, byatches.

  18. 18.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    I swear that last gift touchdown to TO was among the most agonizing moments of embarrassment for a Dolphins fan in my lifetime.

  19. 19.

    MeDrewNotYou

    October 31, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    @asiangrrlMN: I feel the same way about the Cowboys and the Yankees. I’d want them to lose even if they were playing against the Berlin Nazis or the Beijing Puppy Poisoners.

  20. 20.

    Brian S (formerly Incertus)

    October 31, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    My team isn’t playing terrifically this year, but they are the reigning champs, which is something I never thought I’d see. I’m considering quitting the game forever just so I can go out with that feeling.

  21. 21.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    @MeDrewNotYou:

    Did you have to bring up the Patriots and Jets on a beautiful Sunday?

  22. 22.

    Brian S (formerly Incertus)

    October 31, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    @morzer: I saw that. Great defense up until the point when the DB dropped the ball. Just bad luck on that play.

  23. 23.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    @Brian S (formerly Incertus):

    Who dat team?

  24. 24.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    @Brian S (formerly Incertus):

    Teeth were ground and knives sharpened. Still, we shall endure. But why did it have to be that preening, insufferable egomaniac?

    Update: no, Jerry Jones did not walk into the endzone for the Bengals.

  25. 25.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    This Packers game is really boring. Luckily, Oliver never fails to amuse.

    I’m actually debating how much I want to suffer today; rake the lawn or watch the Vikings? It’s a tough call.

  26. 26.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    @MeDrewNotYou: Ooooh. That’s a hard hypothetical choice for me! I mean, puppies!

    @morzer: Bwahahahahaha!

    @debit: Awwwww! Oliver is such a cutie. It looks like he’s settling right in.

  27. 27.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    @Brian S (formerly Incertus): Too late. Had you made the announcement in the pre-season I think it would be accepable, but since you’ve waited until week 8, and the Saints have returned to the pack, you must suffer through the entirety of the season. Sorry.

    And Tramon Williams rips the ball from the Jets’ receiver!

  28. 28.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Tramon Williams is having a good game. Two takeaways.

    ETA: Maybe.

  29. 29.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    @asiangrrlMN: He’s terrorized every other cat, befuddled the dog and claimed everything as his. Yeah, he’s settled in.

  30. 30.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    @Andy K:

    We are all Green Bay fans now!

  31. 31.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    @debit:

    Briefly I misread the thread, and thought you had Jerry Jones in your neighborhood assaulting pets!

  32. 32.

    MeDrewNotYou

    October 31, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    @morzer: Ooh. I know, as a Colts fan, I’m on very dangerous ground here, but I kinda like the Patriots. I hate the coach (WTH is with Belichick’s sweat pants/shirts?) and most of the players, but I really enjoy watching them play.

  33. 33.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    @morzer:

    I sense Jets hate. I can’t share the sentiment. David Harris is the first alumnus of my high school to get to the NFL.

  34. 34.

    JPL

    October 31, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    HAHAHAHA John has new abodes which means at least a few trick or treaters to interrupt the Pitt/NO game. Nice!

  35. 35.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I’ve been loving Tramon for a long time. I don’t think Harris gets the starting job back (if he ever gets healthy).

  36. 36.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    @Andy K:

    Well, it’s a tradition with the Dolphins and Jets. Plus, there’s always Fireman Ed as a justification. I don’t actually “hate” hate the Jets, preening bunch of exhibitionist frauds though the other New York team may be.

    Svensker, if you are lurking, yes, I know I promised to support Rex Ryan’s next challenge!

  37. 37.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    @MeDrewNotYou:

    I certainly enjoyed the infamous 4th and 2!

  38. 38.

    Brian S (formerly Incertus)

    October 31, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    @morzer: I don’t hate Jets fans as a group. I just hate the ones who live in south Florida. There are a lot of Steelers fans down here as well, but they’re not quite as obnoxious.

  39. 39.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    @Brian S (formerly Incertus):

    I could genuinely respect the Steelers, but not while they have Roethlisberger at QB. There are just some people I can’t feel sympathy or admiration for.

  40. 40.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    @morzer:

    I am aware of your football traditions.

  41. 41.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    @debit: Ha. Sounds like Oliver is shooting for alpha status.

    @morzer: Oh, hell, no. Go J-E-T-S!

    FYWP.

  42. 42.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Ah, I had forgotten your loyalty to the No Country For Old Men franchise. Go Packers!

  43. 43.

    Len

    October 31, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    If by my team you mean the Dallas Cowboys, yes, I agree. They suck big time. Big time!

  44. 44.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    *sigh* Oh Davone Bess, how could you turn it over to the Bungles?

  45. 45.

    Gator90

    October 31, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Remember the movie “Gangs of New York”? Those people were the ancestors of today’s Jet fans.

  46. 46.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    October 31, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    My team doesn’t suck. Sure, we’re 2-4 in the WCHA, but take out the empty net goals and all of those losses were by one goal to top five teams.

    I am getting really tired of losing to Duluth 3-2. Again, without the ENG last night, that’s five games in a row against them we’ve lost by that score, including last year’s WCHA championship game and last year’s NCAA semifinal.

    Fortunately, there’s no NFL team in Detroit that could make me sad by losing all the time.

  47. 47.

    Interrobang

    October 31, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    I don’t have a team, so nyeaaaah. ;)

  48. 48.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    @Gator90:

    Is that a slam on my Irish cousins? I’ll admit that there are some louts amongst them, but…Well, where do you think the Maras came from?

  49. 49.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    @morzer: J-E-T-S! Not that I have any hope for the Vikes, but still.

  50. 50.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Shall Brett Favre be streaking today, do you think?

  51. 51.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Brandon Jackson has been running well today. Didn’t expect that.

  52. 52.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    @Andy K: Really well. I am pleased.

  53. 53.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    @morzer: No gray badger, please! I don’t think he should start, but my bet is that he will start. Ugh.

  54. 54.

    low-tech cyclist

    October 31, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Your team sucks.

    It does – I’m a Redskins fan.

    Right now, the ‘Skins are losing to the 1-5 Lions.

  55. 55.

    MeDrewNotYou

    October 31, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    As Jacksonville was kicking their extra point, I swear I heard the crowd chanting, “Let’s go Rangers!” That’d be sad if it weren’t the Cowboys’ fans. As it is, its just funny.

  56. 56.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    @asiangrrlMN: Badger? I understand to what you are referring, but I don’t understand why badger is the term.

  57. 57.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    I’ve got a feeling he gets the first play- maybe the series- then he’s out. Keeps the streak alive w/out putting the Queens in hot water.

  58. 58.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I believe I am to blame.

  59. 59.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: morzer started it by talking about Favre’s gray badger a few weeks back and whether or not Favre would expose it. Ask him why a badger. Maybe because Favre played for Wisconsin for so long? Anyway, it’s taken on a life of its own, and with that, I need some brain bleach.

    @Omnes Omnibus: That’s what I said!

  60. 60.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    @asiangrrlMN: Ew.

  61. 61.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Jets miss the FG. Woo, as they say, hoo.

  62. 62.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Bullet dodged.

  63. 63.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    @Andy K: In the words of Al Davis, “Just win, baby.”

  64. 64.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    @Andy K:

    We are all Green Bay fans now. Repeat ad lib!

  65. 65.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It ought to be noted that Asiangrrl is the one who keeps the meme alive. I usually refer to Beans as Ol Man Dither.

  66. 66.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Jaguars 28 Jerry Jones ‘Boys 3

  67. 67.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    @morzer: J-E-T-S!

    @Andy K: I actually think that’s the prudent play. I don’t give a rat’s ass about Favre’s streak, but I know he does. So, letting him play one play to keep the damn streak alive and then benching his ass is the right thing to do.

    @morzer: Only because you have permanently seared the image in my brain, thankyewverymuch.

    ETA after morzer’s last comment: DOUBLE EW!

  68. 68.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Well, we could try “salt and pepper raccoon” if you prefer…

  69. 69.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    It means something to the league, too, not just Favre.

    I don’t think it’s cheap, either. Both Gehrig and Ripken did similar things during their streaks, in a much less physically demanding sport.

  70. 70.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Seriously, whodathunk that we are coming up to the 4th quarter, and the Jets and Packers would have a grand total of 3 points between them?

  71. 71.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    If you have not seen An Engineer’s Guide to Cats, I suggest you watch it right now. Then follow it with An Engineer’s Guide to Voting.

    *morzer*: EW!

  72. 72.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    @Andy K:

    I imagine most of these longevity records have some games when the player carried an injury to keep the streak going.

  73. 73.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    October 31, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    @Andy K: I don’t follow the NFL enough to know if this is true of Favre’s streak, but I thought that Ripken’s streak was one of the most selfish things I’ve ever seen in sports. It became very clear that he was wearing down, and he absolutely hurt the Orioles’ chances of winning games late in the season and later in his career because he never took a day off.

    The fact that it’s so celebrated indicates that most sports fans don’t have any ability to think rationally.

  74. 74.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    @morzer: There is a difference between let a guy take a couple of snaps to keep the streak going and letting a guy try to play and finding that he can’t.

  75. 75.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    @Andy K: Eh, whatever. I don’t particularly care–I just would rather not have him playing.

    Jags, 28: ‘Boys, 3. So tasty!

  76. 76.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I am not saying I approve, but if Favre does this, he would hardly be the only sportsman to do so. Hypocritical, yes, no, maybe ..but hardly unique.

    FWIW, if the coach/owner lets this happen, they are arguably more to blame than the player.

  77. 77.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    @morzer: Agreed. Again, I just don’t want him to play. Please let it be so.

  78. 78.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    If the league cared, they could rule that a player must log 25% of game time for a game to count towards a record. Of course, they won’t, because gaudy stats attract audiences.

  79. 79.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Thank you, Ricky Williams! Thank you, Aqua Buddha!

  80. 80.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal:

    …I thought that Ripken’s streak was one of the most selfish things I’ve ever seen in sports. It became very clear that he was wearing down, and he absolutely hurt the Orioles’ chances of winning games late in the season and later in his career because he never took a day off.

    He had a handful of truly great seasons, but I think Ripken was overrated. Without the streak, he’s not even Robin Yount or Alan Trammell; with the streak he’s an advertiser’s wet dream.

  81. 81.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Woodson interception. No challenges for the Jets. Yippee.

  82. 82.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    @morzer: That makes too much sense for it to actually happen. And, I take it the ‘Fins are winning?

  83. 83.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    8 points up.

  84. 84.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    A touchdown there would have been nice.

  85. 85.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    @Andy K: It’s points.

  86. 86.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Is true. Hope is enough for win.

  87. 87.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    @Andy K:

    2 ints for Sanchez.. what’s going on over there?!

  88. 88.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    @Andy K:

    Get a room, you two!

  89. 89.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    And Carson Palmer wins the pole-vault off a defender to the sideline prize, formerly owned by Ted Ginn.

  90. 90.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    @morzer: GB’s defense is playing really well.

  91. 91.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Is Sanchez cracking under pressure?

  92. 92.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    October 31, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    @Andy K: I’m a Detroit fan, and I think that Trammell should have a plaque in Cooperstown, but there’s no question at all that Ripken was better. Ripken might have been a bit better defensively than Trammell, though it’s hard to tell. He had a slightly better OPS+, and he played about 700 more games and had 800 more hits and 250 more home runs than Trammell. In other words, he’s slightly better on rate stats, and absurdly ahead in counting stats.

    Ripken was just about as good as Robin Yount once you correct for the fact that Yount played half of his career at a less demanding position. Then again, I don’t think that this, in and of itself, constitutes evidence that Ripken was overrated. Rather, it’s that I think Yount is criminally underrated.

    Cal Ripken Jr. was selfish and annoying, but he was also really damned good.

  93. 93.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    @morzer: Neither offense is playing particularly well. Both INTs were situations where the GB player wrestled the ball out of the Jet player’s hands.

  94. 94.

    MeDrewNotYou

    October 31, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    LMAO! CBS just cut from the [email protected] game with almost 6 minutes left to [email protected]

  95. 95.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    @MeDrewNotYou:

    How are the mighty fallen!

  96. 96.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    @MeDrewNotYou: Well, given the score of the JAX/’Boys game, it’s not surprising. Still, it’s delicious!

    @MeDrewNotYou: Exactly. But, I have to ask, why the hell is Gus Johnson always so damn excited?

  97. 97.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Sean Smith – INTERCEPTION! Hurrah!

  98. 98.

    MeDrewNotYou

    October 31, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    @morzer: @asiangrrlMN: Actually it seems to be a good decision. They cut into [email protected] at 2min and things are looking pretty exciting.

  99. 99.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal:

    Who was it that the Brewers brought up who displaced Yount? Molitor? It isn’t as if Yount misplayed his way to center field.

    I don’t have the stats handy, but when Ripken had off years- offensively- they were a lot worse than Tram’s or Yount’s bad years.

    I’d take Tram over either Yount or Ripken any day if I needed a clutch hit. ANY day.

  100. 100.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Nice sack by Matthews.

  101. 101.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Wow. Kudos to McCarthy and Capers for getting the defense to play so well today.

  102. 102.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    C’mon, Buffalo!

  103. 103.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    @Andy K: Get through this game with a W. Try to get the offense right against the ‘Boys next week and then get some rest and get healthier.

  104. 104.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Agreed.

    And there’s your dagger.

    Hey, the Lions, after never having beaten the Washington Redskins ever, look like they’re going to take their second in a row from ’em.

  105. 105.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Looking ominous for the Bills, alas.

  106. 106.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    @Andy K: First road shutout since 1991. Okay then.

  107. 107.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Shit! Couldn’t keep ’em under 100 yards rushing- but did until the last play of the game.

    When was the last shutout? I’m thinking against the Eagles in McNabb’s rookie season.

  108. 108.

    S. cerevisiae

    October 31, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal: This year is the best Bulldog team in quite a while. They have two outstanding lines and are solid all around. If they get strong goaltending they are going to make some noise in the spring.

  109. 109.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    @Andy K: Game ball to Williams.

  110. 110.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    I’ll see y’all in a bit. Gonna leave the Pizza Bar now.

  111. 111.

    Brian S (formerly Incertus)

    October 31, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    About that Miami-Cincy game, I have a tactical question to ask. When Miami scored the TD, they went up 21-14 before the extra point. Why not go for 2 there? If you miss, you’re up by a TD and an extra point. If you make it, you’re up by 2 scores near the end of the game. As it turned out, it didn’t matter because Palmer threw a pick, but if he’d driven them to a TD and 2-pointer, then it’s tied and you’re in overtime, which is probably what happens if you go for the 2-pointer and miss. I guess you can argue that it’s tougher to make a 2 than to kick it, and so you’ve made it harder for the opposing team to tie, but I’d say that the possibility of a 2-score game makes the gamble worth it.

  112. 112.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    @Brian S (formerly Incertus):

    It’s arguable. I’d prefer the more certain approach there, and force them to take the extra risk to tie it up.

  113. 113.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    October 31, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    @S. cerevisiae: I have a feeling that we aren’t talking about the same UMD hockey team. I’m talking about the one that is the defending national champions, and has won five titles in the last ten years.

  114. 114.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Go, Vikes, I guess.

    ETA: Slurp slurp slurp. Ugh. Did anyone doubt that the very manly Brett Favre would start, even with a crushed brain and a missing heart?

    @morzer: I agree. Again. With you. Yipes! I just think it’s stupid.

    @Omnes Omnibus: Well, screw you, too, Sir.

    @morzer: EW!

  115. 115.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    I will say that I despise the practice of icing the kicker. It’s utterly cheap and unsporting, and if the NFL banned the practice it would enhance the game.

  116. 116.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    @asiangrrlMN: I disagree. I shall be cheering for the Pats.

  117. 117.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    C’mon, even I feel more eagerness to see them win against the Patsies, despite the presence of SAPR.

  118. 118.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Lions look good for a win. Could this be the season when they burn past the Vikings?

  119. 119.

    Barb (formerly Gex)

    October 31, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Just so you know, local comics in MN call your QB Rapelisburger.

  120. 120.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    My God, the Chiefs just missed a 39 yard field goal by a mile.

  121. 121.

    S. cerevisiae

    October 31, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal: Ah, yes. They have definitely done better at filling the trophy case. Maybe the guys can keep pace with them this year.

  122. 122.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    @Barb (formerly Gex):

    Only the ones who like him…

  123. 123.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    Holy shit. Troy Aikman is tying himself in knots trying to explain why Brett cannot be benched. He has been treated special since he started playing. Therefore, he has to continue to be treated special (his mangling, not mine) even if he plays poorly. So, no benching for Brett! WTF?

    @morzer: There’s always a first time.

    @debit: Yeah. NOT good.

  124. 124.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Has an NFL QB ever been allowed to throw from a palanquin/motorized scooter?

  125. 125.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    October 31, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    @Andy K:

    Who was it that the Brewers brought up who displaced Yount? Molitor? It isn’t as if Yount misplayed his way to center field.

    Ernie Riles, but the move had nothing to do with the Brewrs’ feelings about him. Yount moved to the outfield because he wrecked his shoulder in 1984 and couldn’t handle the number of throws a shortstop has to make.

    I don’t have the stats handy, but when Ripken had off years- offensively- they were a lot worse than Tram’s or Yount’s bad years.

    Not true. If you exclude the partial, bad years at the end of their careers, Ripken had a total of six years (out of nineteen) with an OPS+ below 100, and only one season with an OPS+ below 90: an 89 in 1998. Trammell had eight (out of seventeen) below 100, five below 90 and a career low of 85 in 1979. Yount had six seasons (out of nineteen) below 100, two below 90, and a career low of 76 in 1976.

    Ripken’s worst years were consistently better than either of the others’

    I’d take Tram over either Yount or Ripken any day if I needed a clutch hit. ANY day.

    And you’d be making a suboptimal choice. I can easily defend taking Yount over Ripken, though I could go the other way, too. I can’t defend taking Trammell. Your memories simply do not match the facts.

  126. 126.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    FUCK. Harvin is hurt. FUCK.

  127. 127.

    WaterGirl

    October 31, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    I know this is an NFL open thread, but it’s the only open thread we’ve got. We are trying to find a movie to go to so as not to sit at home all evening with buckets of candy only to get 3 trick or treaters the whole night.

    Has anyone seen the movie “Red”?

  128. 128.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    @WaterGirl: Not me. I wanted to, but Ebert spoiled it for me.

  129. 129.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    @morzer: By the way, love the word palanquin.

    @WaterGirl: Helen Mirren with big guns. What more could you want?

    Oh. Touchdown, Vikes. Yay.

  130. 130.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    @asiangrrlMN: Wow. They lost the challenge. I didn’t expect that in a million years.

  131. 131.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    @debit: Me, neither. Very weird.

    Crap. Harvin may not be back.

  132. 132.

    West of the Cascades

    October 31, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    How did Cole guess that I am a Buffalo Bills fan?? My team sucks more than anyone else’s team AND I STILL WATCHED THE WHOLE DAMNED GAME. Thanks to the Bills waiting all the way to the last second of overtime to lose, I wasted nearly 4 hours today instead of the usual 3.

  133. 133.

    WaterGirl

    October 31, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    @debit:
    Spoiled, as in he said it sucked, or spoiled because he gave too much away? Really cute kitty, by the way!

    @asiangrrlMN:
    Yes, there is that!

  134. 134.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    @WaterGirl: Spoiled as in he gave away a major plot development about a character. He wasn’t fan of the film and so probably didn’t care about ruining it for someone else. I usually like Ebert, but it was a dickish thing to do.

    And thanks! Oliver is wearing out the batteries in my camera.

  135. 135.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    @debit: That is a dickish thing to do. It’s one reason I don’t read reviews if I actually want to see a movie. I hate spoilers like that.

    Damn. Touchdown, Pats.

    Seriously? I mean, I’m glad Harvin is back, but kick return?

  136. 136.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    October 31, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    @debit: The problem is in the distinction between being a reviewer and being a critic. A reviewer should be wary of plot spoilers. A critic usually has to discuss them, because it’s hard to really discuss a movie (or any other form of storytelling) without discussing major plot points. I know that Ebert thinks of himself, justifiably, as a critic. In general, I find the work of a critic much more interesting to read, and I’m sure it’s more interesting to write.

    I’m not sure what Ebert’s newspaper columns are supposed to be, but his personal writings are always likely to be criticism rather than reviews. If you don’t want plot spoilers, don’t read them. They aren’t meant for what you. Giving away a major plot development is not being dickish; it’s doing exactly what he claims to be doing.

  137. 137.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    @asiangrrlMN: Yeah, but he looks like he’s moving okay. :crosses fingers:

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal: This was in his column at the Sun Times. If spoilers are to be expected there, then why does he specifically make note of avoiding them in other reviews?

  138. 138.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal: And just to be clear: I’m a fan. I follow his twitter and read his blog. I still think he was dick to spoil it for me just because he didn’t like the film or thought the spoiler was predictable.

  139. 139.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    October 31, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    @debit: That’s probably why I said I don’t know what his newspaper column is supposed to be.

  140. 140.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Halftime. I must make banana bread now, If Rufus will get off my arms.

  141. 141.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    This is a boring game. Bleah.

    @debit: Yum. I’ll be over for the second half.

  142. 142.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    There’s a game on?

  143. 143.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    For a supposed invalid, Favre is certainly scuttling about.

  144. 144.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    @Andy K: Oh, you’re VERY funny.

    @morzer: Yes, he is. Harrumph.

  145. 145.

    S. cerevisiae

    October 31, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Oh fuck you Brady.

  146. 146.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Fuck. Never come out of the kitchen, deb. Never come out of the kitchen.

  147. 147.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Gah. That was waaaaaay too easy for the Patriots.

    @S. cerevisiae: Seconded.

    @debit: Go back!

  148. 148.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    @Andy K:

    I am sensing Vikings hatred….

  149. 149.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    October 31, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Wow. That was an amazing pass by Brady and whichever receiver is #19. He was throwing the ball before he finished spinning around. He obviously saw #19 about to break open, and the two of them stayed on the same page while he was avoiding the tackle so that Brady could start the pass before he could see the receiver again.

  150. 150.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Look on the bright side – even if the Minnies lose, you’ll still be level with the Detroit Lions….

  151. 151.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    @morzer: Bite me.

    @morzer: Oh, I do.

    One freaking foot! Seriously. Know where you are! Gaaaaaaaaah!

    @morzer: Suck it.

  152. 152.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Well, if you insist…

  153. 153.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    On the brighter side, you are still two games ahead of the Bills….

    *evil chuckle*

  154. 154.

    S. cerevisiae

    October 31, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal: I know. Bastard.

  155. 155.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Brad Childress is starting to look like one of those haunted, guilt-ridden characters in Dostoyevsky….

  156. 156.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    @morzer: He SHOULD.

    @morzer: Yes. Nom nom nom. Just don’t break skin.

  157. 157.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Can I combine biting and sucking and simply chew?

  158. 158.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Joking aside, I suspect that his current misery largely derives from having humiliated himself (and the team) so publicly for a QB who just hasn’t got it done. How does one come back from that?

  159. 159.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    @morzer: One shouldn’t if there is any justice in the world.

    Oh, motherfuck.

    @morzer: Ican’tfuckingstandthis!

    Goddamnfuckshitballsasshole!

  160. 160.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Today’s been a day of very odd interceptions and give aways by defenders and attackers alike. Halloween strikes again.

  161. 161.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Goddamnfuckshitballsasshole!

    You can see Sarah Palin from your house?

  162. 162.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    @morzer: EWWWWWW!

    I don’t know if I should even bother watching the rest of the game.

  163. 163.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    October 31, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    @morzer:

    Joking aside, I suspect that his current misery largely derives from having humiliated himself (and the team) so publicly for a QB who just hasn’t got it done. How does one come back from that?

    I think Childress is toast, and I have no idea whether he deserves it or not. However, I don’t think he’s humiliated himself this week. Quite the opposite: some combination of people in the Vikings’ organization humiliated him. Brad Childress has basically made it clear that:

    a) he doesn’t want Brett Favre as his quarterback, and
    b) he doesn’t really have enough authority in the organization to tell Favre that he can’t play.

    The dysfunction here goes way, way beyond Brad Childress. As a Lions’ fan, I recognize this set of behaviors, and it means that the ultimate people in charge, the owners, have no business running a lemonade stand, let alone a professional football team. If you don’t want Brad Childress making those sorts of decisions, then fire him. If you don’t, you’re incompetent.

  164. 164.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    There’s still time. It’s perfectly possible for Favre to mount a dramatic comeback.

  165. 165.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal:

    No, no. I am not saying he humiliated himself this week. I am talking about the pitiable begging and pleading for the Great One to return in the preseason. You know – the Three Amigos go to Mississippi, the fact he missed training camp etc etc.

    ADDENDUM: That said, I agree with your view of how dysfunctional the Vikings have become.

  166. 166.

    BubbaDave

    October 31, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    My team is the Cowboys, so yes they do. But at least I’m not aware of any rapists on our team….

  167. 167.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    @morzer: Agree with you on this. I will say that if Childress has changed his mind, then more power to him. Someone has to tell Favre he is not the answer this season. Oh, and as for the miracle comeback? Bite me.

  168. 168.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Oh, and as for the miracle comeback? Bite me.

    Heh. Well, the bread is in the oven and I’ve done the dishes, so I have no excuse to stay in the kitchen. I apologize in advance.

    Damn, Percy Harvin is one fine man.

  169. 169.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    @morzer:

    Of course! There are no prisoners in The Great Northern War! Shit, I cheer for the Bears when they’re playing the Queens.

  170. 170.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    @debit: Well, the Vikes are sucking hard, anyway. And, yes, he is. Too bad he’s a baby.

    @Andy K: What if the Bears are ahead of you in the standings? What then, Mr. K?

    @Omnes Omnibus: That’s what I’m saying.

  171. 171.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    @Andy K: I cheer for whichever result will most benefit GB.

    ETA: Two intentional grounding penalties on Favre today?

  172. 172.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    @debit:

    Maybe you should consider re-doing the dishes?

  173. 173.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    October 31, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    @morzer: Again, I don’t pay close enough attention to anything NFL to be sure of this, but do we know that begging for Favre to come back was Childress’ idea or that he really supported it? He could have just been playing the good employee. It’s not like the idea that he didn’t like Favre came out of nowhere; they didn’t get along last year, either.

    And this part of it does not necessarily indicate that he lacks authority. It isn’t the head coach’s job to decide who is on the team. That’s the GM’s call, and the coach should work with it, unless the lines of authority are explicitly drawn differently, a la Holmgren.

  174. 174.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    @morzer: Look, I said I was sorry.

    And Jackson is warming up.

  175. 175.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    @Andy K:

    Despite the Jay Cutler factor? Now that’s an achievement!

  176. 176.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    @debit: Well, we’re marching now, so you can come out of the kitchen.

    And, may I please nut-punch Troy Aikman? He is REALLY getting on my last nerve. There. He just snapped it.

    And, I would like to nut-punch the other guy, too (I think it’s Kenny Albert. It’s not. It’s Tom someone). Fuck his Favre fetish with my rusty pitchfork.

    Boo-yah! Tarvaris Jackson got it going on. We’re back in the game! debit stays out of the kitchen!

  177. 177.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    @debit:

    Bad, wicked Zoot!

  178. 178.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal:

    If it wasn’t his idea, that makes the public humiliation even worse, because he has to be a good soldier about something he fundamentally disagreed with – and which made him look terrible.

  179. 179.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    @morzer: I should like to be spanked.

    Going for two. Hmmm.

    ETA: Holy shit.

  180. 180.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    @asiangrrlMN: There are certain games that Aikman should not call. Cowboy games and games that feature Favre.

  181. 181.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    What if the Bears are ahead of you in the standings? What then, Mr. K?

    A Bears’ win, then a fortuitous comet and/or meteorite strike.

  182. 182.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    @debit:

    You picked a good time to emerge from the kitchen, apparently. You seem to be a lucky groundhog for the Vikings!

  183. 183.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    @debit:

    My timetable is getting rather busy with you Vikings fans. First, I have to chew Asiangrrl, and now I have to spank you as well?

  184. 184.

    S. cerevisiae

    October 31, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    See, they were only mostly dead.

  185. 185.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    @morzer: Umm… Wha?

  186. 186.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    @Andy K:

    Now you know what it feels like for a Dolphins fan to watch a Patriots/Jets game. Although a meteor strike before any result would be perfectly acceptable.

  187. 187.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    @debit: I’ll spank ya!

    @Omnes Omnibus: No kidding. Troy becomes such a fanboy.

    @Andy K: Ha. That’s funny.

    OK. I just gotta say, I don’t like seeing Favre taken off on a cart. No matter how much I don’t want him to play, I retract my previous statements about wanting him to get hurt to get out of the game.

  188. 188.

    freelancer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Seriously, Who hires these color guys?! “I’m not one for speculation, but, Troy Aikman, you certainly know what it’s like to be blasted on the chin”.

    Oy.

  189. 189.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    If he really got his head clocked back,it might be a lot worse than just a shot to the chin and some split skin. Let’s hope not.

  190. 190.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    You had to be there to get it. Or read the thread.

  191. 191.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    @morzer: Yeah. I really don’t want that.

    @morzer: Threesome!

    @Omnes Omnibus: I told him to bite me and then to suck it so he asked if he could combine the two and chew. I said yes. debit told him to spank her for coming out of the kitchen. There ya go.

    It is Thom Brenneman. I want to nut-punch him, too.

  192. 192.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    How the rubbery fuck did Allen screw that tackle up?

  193. 193.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    @freelancer:

    Aikman is the color guy. Thom Brenneman (I think that’s who’s with Aikman) is the play-by-play guy- and not usually Aikman’s partner.

    BTW, I really liked Brenneman in the Cubs’ radio booth with Ron Santo, though I don’t think Santo liked young Thom too much.

  194. 194.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 31, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    @morzer: I went out to eat so I guess I’ll just remain bewildered.

  195. 195.

    That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal

    October 31, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    @Andy K: Brenneman is an ass, but he came by it naturally, because his father is worse. Marty almost single-handedly drove Adam Dunn out of Cincinnati.

  196. 196.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    That’s BenJarvis Rose-and-Thistle ‘He Does Not Care For Me” Green-Ellis, Mister Announcer Boy.

  197. 197.

    debit

    October 31, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    I don’t think the review will save us.

  198. 198.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    @debit:

    No, sadly. Or the reverse.

  199. 199.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Oh, fuck me. Sigh.

  200. 200.

    S. cerevisiae

    October 31, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Our defense was EPIC FAIL on the last series, hell the whole game. Can’t blame that on the old man or Chilly. Asher Allen should be benched.

  201. 201.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    Can I perform my previous assignments first?

  202. 202.

    Andy K

    October 31, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    @That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal:

    Ass or not, he was a lot better than later Harry Caray…Though I did prefer Dewayne Staats above all but Jack Brickhouse.

  203. 203.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    @S. cerevisiae:

    Allen missed the crucial tackle, and did so pretty badly.

  204. 204.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    @morzer: Saving the best for last?

    And, Cole is right. My team definitely sucks.

    @morzer: I can’t even snark at you. Sigh.

  205. 205.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    @asiangrrlMN:

    *nods sagely*

  206. 206.

    morzer

    October 31, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    I have to say, the Vikings look pretty unenthusiastic as a team. To me, that feels like the real difference between the two sides.

  207. 207.

    asiangrrlMN

    October 31, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    @morzer: Well, the feeling is mutual. I’m pretty goddamn unenthusiastic about the Vikings as a team.

  208. 208.

    S. cerevisiae

    October 31, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    All I can say is I would hate to be an oddsmaker in Vegas this year. I really don’t see any dominant teams – this will probably go down as the great year of parity. I really have no clue on a Super Bowl favorite because every good team has flaws and most of the bad teams have talent or potential. In any other year at 2-5 I would be looking at hockey schedules and watching potential college draft choices, but I could really see NFC first seed going to an 11-5 team. Not that we are going to win out – I’m not completely delusional.

  209. 209.

    billgerat

    October 31, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    My team, the Seachickens, definitely sucked today, but it doesn’t help when even the review refs still can’t make the right call. Come Monday, I hope the League hands out a few suspensions to the Zebras.

  210. 210.

    Anonymous At Work

    October 31, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    My team’s Tampa Bay. We may suck but we still win…somehow…

  211. 211.

    Svensker

    October 31, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    @morzer:

    Meh. Horrible game. And boring. Then I had to choose whether to root for Favre to get smashed in the ankle or for Brady to break another leg. I would have been happy with both. Finally decided to root for the Vikes to avenge Randy Moss, but that didn’t work out so well either.

    Pooey. Rotten horrible day all around.

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