Back in May (or whenever the primaries were), when Oliverio ran a pretty sleazy campaign to oust the admittedly flawed Mollohan in the Democratic primary, and did so by running to the RIGHT of Mollohan, I figured that was pretty much it for that House seat. McKinley, the Republican, was able to beat back a bunch of teabagging nutters, and by contrast, seemed pretty moderate.
It is hard to count the ways in which the Oliverio campaign was flawed and awful, but we might as well start at the top. Oliverio was wooden and phony, a bore who came across as a dullard, and who had the captivating television presence of a snail. Here’s an official campaign commercial:
Can’t you just feel the enthusiasm? Aren’t you just swept off your feet? I haven’t been this excited since Sen. Paul Simon spoke about hur902hurf74wh4f7i h…. Sorry, I dozed off.
On the issues, there was absolutely no reason to get excited- he ran to the right of Mollohan on most every issue, and so you all understand what that means, Mollohan was one of the Stupak abortion holdout jackasses for HCR. Oliverio would have been completely beholden to the coal and emerging gas industries, he was another “deficit hawk” who would always be moralizing about every bit of spending except for tax cuts (on his website he has the national debt clock so that you can be moved by the “stunning visual,”), he explicitly endorsed never-ending nation-building, and talked at length about the “cuts” to Medicare- a complete GOP talking point from the HCR debate.
The only reason to vote for Oliverio was to vote for Pelosi and a Democratic run house, and then Oliverio decided to open his mouth and threw that advantage away:
Another party operative said Democrats remain concerned over comments Oliverio made to a local paper earlier this month where he said he hoped to support someone other than Pelosi for Speaker of the House. “We’re still trying to get to know him,” the official said. “He will need to clarify his remarks.”
By October 17th, he was finally singing another tune, stating he might vote for her but didn’t want to, but by then it was too late. Like I said, there was really no reason, issue-wise, to support Oliverio other than he would keep the Democrats in charge, and he seemed eager to piss that away. To be honest, I have no idea why he is even a Democrat.
And as bad as all that was, the ground game appeared to be even worse. It took me an ENTIRE day to track down some yard signs to give out to my friends and neighbors. I received not one piece of literature. Not one phone call. Not one piece of mail. No one knocked on my door. No one asked me for support to go door to door- hell, I tried to figure out how to help and never heard from anyone. Carnacki at WVBlue had the same experience- begging to help and hearing nothing in return.
And even with all that, I still voted for the guy, but you almost have to wonder if WV is better off with McKinley. At least he seems to care about winning.
And one last thing- I hope it is repeatedly and loudly pointed out the next couple of months that it was the blue dogs who were wiped out. The corporate sell-outs who made sure NOTHING was done to help the economy or the people who put them in office, because they were too concerned about tax cuts for the rich or the bond vigilantes. For House Leadership, it had to feel like Jerry Maguire dealing with Rod Tidwell- “Help me help you. We’re begging. Shut up about the deficit and get your voters back to work.”
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass, blue dogs.
FlipYrWhig
I’m picturing the Blue Dogs as actual dogs, being completely confused by the hidden rubber ball. “Whaazaa? But I did everything I was supposed to do! I showed how I wasn’t captivated by liberalism and wanted to rein in out-of-control spending! Where’d it go? WHERE’D IT GO!?”
EFroh
I love yard signs, but apparently they don’t do very much besides make people feel good about themselves. (I still love them though. :))
Complete agreement re the lack of GOTV for these midterms. Also I really hate that the DNC packed up early last night. Really, guys? At least pretend that you’re fighting. Do not go gentle into that good night and all that.
gizmo
John,
To reinforce your point, 0f the 39 Democrats who voted against the healthcare bill, 27 of them lost their House seat last night.
wonkie
We have a fake Deomcrat out here in my part of Washington state. By fake I mean he was recruited by the Repubicans ro run as an “independent” Democrat so that our state rep elections would always be a choice between two Republicans, the avowed one and the closet one. Rove had a scheme to do this sort of thing in state level races all over–taking advantrage of the fact that most people don’t pay any attention to the primaries for state level office. Heck most condidates run unopposed! The same scam worked in my parents’ legislative district. Once elected it is almost impossible to get rid of an incombent.
So what does this have to do with your situation? It is possible that your so-called Democrat was not in fact a Democrat. It could be the same scam only for the US Congress rather than for the state house.
gbear
Doesn’t this post also deserve the ‘Show me on the doll where Rahm touched you’ tag?
mr. whipple
I’m sorry, but I can muster no enthusiasm or glee for any Dem seat being lost. Those seats were fought for, and a lot of us in blogland gave money and time to help get them elected for the sole purpose of moving out of minority status to get things done.
We are a wildly diverse coallition and need every seat we can get, and a lot of stuff did get done in the last two years precisely because we had the majority. And a lot of people took hard votes considering their districts.
Violet
@EFroh:
The DNC is awful. Tim Kaine must go.
John, maybe you should run for office in WV. At least you’ve got some fire and can talk intelligently on the issues. And a Republican-turn-Democrat would be an interesting point of view in WV. Bonus: Put Tunch and Lily on the posters. Tunch wills them to vote. Lily sways them with cuteness.
Lev
That’s funny, John, since I just did a post about the Blue Dogs over at my place, like, a minute ago: http://levsarea.blogspot.com/2010/11/boll-weevils-and-their-damage-done-plus.html
My observation is that most of the remaining Blue Dogs (a) voted for HCR and (b) represent more Democratic districts that would primary their asses if they get too conservative. Losing their entire leadership team as well should diminish their power. I’m sure Democrats will decide to trim their ambitions and become more “centrist”, but Obama firing Geithner and appointing Warren Buffett to his job would go a long way toward easing the bad blood out there.
BGinCHI
Howard Dean as DNC chair would scare the shit out of the GOP. That’s reason enough to do it.
Oh, and bye bye Blanche Lincoln. You were a fucking terrible waste of space.
Pangloss
@gizmo: Also proving that everything the villagers have said about Health Care being unpopular is overly simplistic. Among the 6% in exit polls that cited health care as the #1 issue, the majority voted for Democrats.
Sapheriel
i feel like the ActBlue thing is mocking me. “WE DID IT”
lol
And the one Congressman who did everything the Netroots wanted him to got his head handed to him.
Jrod the Cookie Thief
It seems from other threads that the preferred way of looking at this loss is that it’s all the dirty hippies’ fault, and that if they just backed Obama more loudly and forcefully the general public would have totally come around to voting D. Because what else would convince a teabagging nation to vote D better than than a bunch of smelly hippies singing Obama’s praises? Surely dozens of races were decided by moderates voting for Republicans because the radical left failed to clap hard enough.
Remember, no matter what happens, it’s always, always Jane Hamsher’s fault. Shit, where’d my other sock go? Damn that diabolical Hamsher!!
Seebach
@lol: If you’re going to lose anyway, you might as well go crazy and do everything you want in your 2 years. What does it hurt?
Lev
@lol: Interesting to note that, while the Blue Dogs were more than halved, only three out of the 83 members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus lost. Grayson, John Hall and Phil Hare, if my count is correct. The CPC is nearly four times as large as the Blue Dogs now.
Clearly, the country has just had enough of these goddamn liberals!
catclub
Of the 54 Blue Dogs, only 25 are left by my count.
29 are gone. That is a very large fraction of the total Democratic losses this election.
Tom Hilton
With you on the Blue Dogs, but why the gratuitous slap at Paul Simon? He was actually a really good (and proud liberal) Senator.
Jrod the Cookie Thief
@lol: Can you lay out a scenario in which Grayson didn’t lose his seat? Preferably one that doesn’t involve fantastical creatures using their magical wish-granting powers.
Better if he went out like Blanche Lincoln, shivving every Democratic policy he could in a vain hope of peeling off enough wingnuts to get 50% + 1, amirite?
Chyron HR
@Jrod the Cookie Thief:
Translation: “I can’t find anything to disagree with in this post, but I’m still going to complain.”
Translation: “Stop disagreeing with Jane Hamsher when she repeatedly calls you a homophobic racist.”
Just Some Fuckhead
@mr. whipple: I agree with ya there. It’s been particular galling to see the usual suspects try to gin up the nonstop prog v. steely eyed realist wars. I blame your side.
Belafon (formerly anonevent)
@catclub: Since I am studying statistics, this just keeps turning into a math problem for me: Given that Person A was a Blue Dog, what was the probability he or she was voted out of office?
I also read that probably the biggest contribution to Feingold’s being swept out of office was the Democratic governor having to make the kinds of budget cuts that Republican’s keep talking about doing at the national level. The anger spilled over. This being true gives me hope for Texas, since GoodHair and Dewhurst will have to start dealing with the ginormous budget shortfall.
Koz
You got off cheap.
Violet
@Belafon (formerly anonevent):
If oil prices go up, they’ll be in better shape.
If they can figure out how to hurt brown people and not hurt white people they’ll be fine.
Jrod the Cookie Thief
@Chyron HR: Translation: ur a doody hed lololol
Poopyman
@lol: Grayson was perhaps the highest-profile target in the house of Big Money, and probably second only to Reid. And Reid got lucky with his opponent.@
I for one am happy the Blue Dogs got halved, not the least because it seriously cuts into a would-be Leader Hoyer’s base. I may live in Hoyer’s district, but I’m no fan of his.
@ Man! I reread that and threw up in my mouth a little. But you know what I mean.
Koz
On another subject, let’s also never let it be said that liberals are anything but bitter idiots.
We had page after page of bitch and moan about the Liebermans, Nelsons, Landrieus and all the rest. And at the end of the day they all got in the car and drove off the cliff to make you happy. Some gratitude.
FlipYrWhig
@Jrod the Cookie Thief:
I don’t think that’s what people are saying. My issue all along with self-declared “dirty hippies” is that they have come to embrace an idea that what voters want to see is Democrats with spirit, and when Democrats act wishy-washy they dampen their potential voters’ enthusiasm–so far, I don’t have much of an issue with it–so, consequently, if you show some spirit, and you give your “base” some service, you’ll win; ergo, if you lose, the reason is that you didn’t service your “base” properly. OK, still somewhat plausible.
But from there it becomes a suggestion that the way you service your “base” is to vote like a ballsy liberal. That’s stupid, because it doesn’t take into account that in some districts _the “base” isn’t liberal_. And yet it goes shooting up the charts at DailyKos whenever some dumbass writes it for the umpteenth time.
So IMHO the “dirty hippies” are completely Procrustean. The problem is always that the politician wasn’t liberal enough, and the solution is to embrace liberalism wholeheartedly because it makes “dirty hippies” happy, and they’re who count, because they’re the base. That’s just inverse teabagging.
I don’t think it has much impact in the real world, fortunately, but I think it’s a waste of airtime to put Huffington and Hamsher on TV to say versions of the same thing over and over and over again, and for the “dirty hippies” to fan out from blog to blog endlessly repeating the same. stupid. point.
The other stupid point is “bully pulpit”/”compromise”/”they don’t even fight.” The existence of conservative Democrats makes it necessary to trim the sails of every mainstream-to-liberal Democratic policy idea. That’s just fucking _true_. When Democrats have a majority, _liberals still don’t_. To get close to a majority, you need those conservative Democrats. I don’t know what’s gained by being the ballsiest liberal in the world when the price is that nothing even close to what you support ever gets implemented, in order to send the world a message that you’re so hardcore you never compromise.
geg6
And the exception to all this gloating over the losses by Blue Dogs is my own piece of shit Rep., Jason Altmire. He won in a walk against the hand-picked-by-Club-for-Growth-and-Pat-Toomey challenger, Rothfus.
Personally, if we had to lose the House (and the fabulous Nancy SMASH), I would have loved for Altmire to lose, too. He is the worst of the worst Blue Dogs. Voted against HCR. Voted against stimulus. Screamed from the mountain tops that he’d vote against Pelosi. Bragged constantly in his ads about how he hates Obama and all other Dems. Just a disgusting creature. Infuriating to me that so many other Blue Dogs got what they deserved and this piece of shit is still in there.
GRRRRRRRRRRR.
2th&nayle
I feel ya. I clothes-pinned my nose and voted for Blanche in some kind of misguided homage to St. Jude, or something. Showered twice this morning and still feel a little grimy. Still, I probably don’t feel much different than if she’d won.
dms
“a bore who came across as a dullard”
I think you mean “boor”.
Of course, with your excellent military service, one can understand the confusion. And homophones are rather difficult, even for the enlightened.
geg6
@FlipYrWhig:
Well, you’ve said what I think about the whining and moaning by the poor, put upon “dirty hippies” about as well as it can be said.
FlipYrWhig
@Seebach:
That’s right, and that’s what Perriello et al did. But the “dirty hippie” theory never seems to imagine that sometimes voting like a dirty hippie, as noble and principled and beneficial to the public as it is, _will make you lose_. And that’s part of the reason why politicians get nervous about doing it in the first place. It’s _not_ a good self-preservation strategy. It might be worth doing anyway, on principle, but also politically damaging.
In my view, the “dirty hippies” really seem to imagine that fighting = winning = getting reelected, so there’s never any reason for any Democratic politician _not_ to be a dirty hippie himself. That couldn’t be farther from the truth. Would that it were so. But our country has too many dark-hearted dickfaces in it for that to work.
2th&nayle
@Just Some Fuckhead: Hey Fuckhead, where you been? I’ve been missin’ your effervescent personage. Or is just me?
60th Street
You had me at “Don’t let the door hit you in the ass, blue dogs.” :)
merrinc
Was that ad filmed at Coopers Rock?
I can’t get over how far to the right my birth state has turned. Mom recently moved back and she’s having trouble coping with the fact that most of her family now votes Republican.
Jrod the Cookie Thief
@FlipYrWhig: I agree with all of that, but look, there will always be a percentage or two of the population that’s just radically left. Mainstream Dems can take advantage of this by pointing out that the radicals’ hatred of Obama and the other Dems shows how centrist he and they are. Or, we can wail and gnash our teeth every time they predictably vote Nader or stay home.
Either way, bitching isn’t going to change them, any more than it will change the wingnuts.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
The GOP will never enact entitlement reform for the elderly. Never. The socially conservative elderly are their base. They are utterly in their pocket, and completely owe this victory to them. Per Matt Y, a quarter of voters this time were 65+. In 2008, young voters outnumbered the old. They make these cost cutting noises to keep the fiscal conservatives from leaving them. They don’t mean one word of it. The fiscal conservatives in the GOP are so pathetic, they fall for it every time.
mr. steven crane
let’s not diss our late great senator simon, k?
he was about as close to the opposite of a blue dog as it gets.
GVG
I need to know how their districts leaned. You seem to be implying that they would have been better off if they and voted FOR HCR, however if they came from a conservative trending district and were only elected due to the anti Bush republican backlash of 2008, then they were always vulnerable and voting against things like HCR may have been their only chance at getting reelection. If on the other hand their districts were begining to trend democratic, and more worried about health care, job loss and other Dem strengths then they were fools. I suspect a mixed bag.
In an earlier thread you complained about pundits not noticing that some of the democratic losses were because their districts were really red and only went blue due to 2008’s wave. That’s a good point and shouldn’t be forgotten.
Right after the 2008 success I was happy but became concerned because it seemed like too many Dem pols were acting like those backlash votes of disgust at the fool R’s were permanent. I considered them to be borrowed with the opportunity to become earned as permanent. I do think we have made some in roads long term but not as much as I’d like. On the other hand voters are about to get another look at fools. The R party leadership has NOT done the serious preparation needed to actually help any problem. People are going to notice even if they don’t want to.
To critique the Dem’s, they have somewhat benefited by the Republican’s completely imploding and their 2008 gains were for many of them, the luck of having fools for opponents. They were in better shape because they had been weeding out some of the sillier Democrats they reportedly used to have before Bush republicans ran into a ditch but they still were a mixed bag in quality. I think Obama and a lot of others are high quality but its not all of them. I also don’t expect too much improvement of the other Dem’s while the Republican’s are such a low standard to be better than.
pending generation
Much as I’d like to believe that voters in conservativishy districts were punishing their Blue Dogs for failing to back HCR, etc. etc. it seems more probable that the coalition suffered so much because Blue Dogs are the low-hanging fruit in a wave election. If there were no correlation between the political leanings of a constituency and the political behavior of its representatives, we might have a point comparing the fates of the Blue Dogs and the rest of the house or the CPC in particular. I also suspect that the sort of analysis I’m not clever enough to do myself would show that PVI was a better predictor of whether an individual Blue Dog got ousted than how often they voted with the caucus.
dan
“it was the blue dogs who were wiped out”
Ummm, Feingold. Grayson.
brendancalling
what the fuck? my entire comment fucking disappeared.
Anyway, as i was saying, I have been having a lovely Day of Taunting at the expense of the blue dogs, calling them up, explaining why they lost, and bidding them a not-so-fond farewell. In the case of Pat Murphy, I got to say “I tried to warn him,” which is in fact true. With carney, i got to remind him that he lied to progressives to gain their financial support.
trollhattan
@mr. steven crane:
Those amongst us of a certain age well recall Al Franken’s dead-on Paul Simon imitation (avec bowtie) which perhaps planted the idea of becoming a senator in his head. One never knows…
gene108
The bigger issue is can you get more liberal Democrats elected in those districts?
I mean Grayson was a dedicated lefty in Republican district and he got wiped out.
The registered Democratic vote, especially in the South, aren’t particularly liberal and many are now Republicans, who have forgotten to update their voter registration cards, sometime between 1984 and now.
It’s great to talk about more and better Democrats, but that’s like trying to run Jesse Helms in Massachusetts, I don’t think that shit will fly.
Independents don’t have an appetite or at least haven’t been convinced about the glories of liberalism, whereas everyone pretty much knows paying less in taxes and having more money in your pocket at the end of the day feels immediately gratifying.
It’ll be interesting to see what will happen in the next two years and how aggressively Democrats try to regroup and take some of those districts back.
Carnacki
Here is a story that we reported on David McKinley that was never denied by his campaign, but also never reported by the media that was there. Unfortunately most of the so-called liberal media in West Virginia is either owned by Republicans like the Senatorial candidate John Raese or Ogden Nutting or other publishers who support Republicans.
John Cole
Stop being so sensitive. I wasn’t attacking Paul Simon, just correctly pointing out that he had a less than dramatic speaking style.
So sensitive.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
Of course most of the Blue Dogs have been voted out of office. They were in conservative districts, and when the GOP gains ground, they are the most vulnerable. Liberals would never, ever, ever, ever get elected in those districts. So, basically, you have a choice between blue dogs and hardcore conservative Republicans in those districts. From all the crowing, it looks like the purity wh@res in this crowd would rather see hardcore Republicans get elected. Well, you got your wish. Bend over, because the Republican congress is coming!
Will
John Podhoretz wrote on his Commentary blog last night that liberals shouldn’t be happy about Dem Congressman Yarmuth winning big in Louisville last night, because “Yarmuth voted against Obamacare”. I emailed Podhoretz the congressman’s voting record directly contradicting that statement, and Podhoretz replied to me saying “Oops. Thanks. Sorry.”
Of course, Podhoretz didn’t offer a public retraction on his blog. These guys want it to bleed into the public’s consciousness that the Dems got beaten for being “too liberal”, and they don’t mind brazenly lying to get it done.
honus
@FlipYrWhig: I don’t know that his voting record hurt Periello all that much. He was in a what had been for years a safe republican district, and he lost by a slightly smaller margin than Rick Boucher, a 14 term incumbent did, in a neighboring district. The CW here is that Tom actually did pretty well, but there was just too much to overcome. His ground game was one of the best I’ve ever seenand the dems in the district were highly motivated mainly because of his voting record. I’ve lived here almost 40 years, and I find it inconceivable that he would have done better if he a Blue Dog voting record.
FWIW, on election night 2008, I was more surprised that he won than that Obama carried Virginia.
honus
@merrinc: The fact it’s your birth state and not your residence is the problem. (and I’m guilty too)
West Virginia has gotten older, whiter, and dumber in the last 30 years. In another 5 years, especially given unlimited corporate coal money now available, a democrat won’t be able to get elected.
Scamp Dog
@catclub: You just need data, which we have in @catclub.
So 29/54 * 100 = 53.7… percent. Call it 54%, no point in claiming 3 or more digits of precision. Now as an exercise, find the probability that a generic Democrat would lose, and that a non-Blue Dog would lose. :)
Just Some Fuckhead
@2th&nayle: Who are you again?
Carnacki
Agree with you about Oliverio. He lost by 700 votes. Mollohan received 2,000 plus write-in votes. If Oliverio had not attacked Mollohan in the same way as a Republican or if he had appealed more to the democratic wing of the Democratic Party, he would have won.
Manchin had tacked to the far right and the race was tied. Then with the debate and on the stump he tacked back more to a centrist Democrat and he rose again in the polls.
The wrong lesson will be touted by the media about Manchin’s race, but it was the union vote coming home that saved him.
FlipYrWhig
@honus: I’ll accept that, but it still gives the lie to the idea that voting like an unapologetic liberal is electoral catnip.
Bobby Thomson
“Which I meant in a good way!”
Jeez, at least own your comment, John. As you were on the other side at the time, I wouldn’t expect you to understand what Paul Simon meant to a lot of folks. But the bow tie and the seriousness he brought to public service were part and parcel of it.
Carnacki
@Violet: We also have Christy Hardin Smith living in that district. Be great to have an all blogger Democratic primary.
merrinc
@honus:
I was going to say if I could have gotten a job after college, I might have stayed. But I couldn’t wait to get out. Now that I’m older and wiser and sick of the concrete jungle, I ache for the mountains. But I’m still not moving back anytime soon.
Via Facebook, I’ve reconnected with a lot of old friends who never left and I am shocked at how extremely conservative they are. Glenn Beck has a lot of fans in the Mountain State.
MattR
@Carnacki: Just what we need. Taking the BJ-FDL wars to a larger stage.
Carnacki
@MattR: And we’d have ringside seats at West Virginia Blue. Pass the popcorn, that would be some entertaining shit.
lol
@Poopyman:
That’s. The. Point. Grayson painted a target on himself!
A year ago, Republicans couldn’t find anyone who wanted to run against him. But once he started running his mouth to cash in at the Netroots ATM and drew national attention, they recruited a credible opponent from outside his district to run against him.
You can’t complain about outside money and whatnot because those were problems entirely of his own making.
Perriello voted for Obama’s agenda while being in an equally tough district too and he very nearly pulled it out. If Grayson had played it smart, he would’ve had a tight race against a no-name Republican and probably would be coming back in January.
He was a reliable vote for two years, yes, but if he kept his fucking mouth shut, he could’ve been a reliable vote from a red district for a whole lot more.
One good thing is that Matt Stoller will be unemployed now too. If Grayson doesn’t prove that bloggers have the political intelligence of a box of hammers, nothing will.
MikeBoyScout
John, while I generally agree with you the Blue Dogs did provide us with a very important benefit… the gavel.
We can and should do better, but if the cost to get the Speaker who closed the deal on the Affordable Care Act, Nancy Pelosi , had to be living with Blue BS, I willingly accept that cost. Just don’t want to pay it again.
2th&nayle
@Just Some Fuckhead: Oh, I’m just another fuckhead. But I’m not “THE” Fuckhead. I would never presume such heights of fuckheadedness. I just hadn’t seen you around lately and wondered what happend to you. I’ve had a serious case of allergic conjunctitivis lately so maybe you’ve been around and I just didn’t see you.
Blotto von Bismarck
There was a similar situation going on in the Tennessee gubernatorial race. McWherter clearly did not give a shit about winning, tried to out-triangulate Haslam from the right (particularly on gun control), tried to claim Haslam took money from “Socialist Venezuela”, and tried to woo the bigot vote by saying that he was opposed to any new mosques in TN. He was a little to the left of Haslam on wonkish things like the pre-K program, but not by much.
Haslam is pretty clearly NOT a wingnut (especially when compared to “Let’s secede!” Zack Wamp and “Islam is a coercive cult” Ron Ramsey). One thing weird about Tennessee is that our highest-profile Republicans (Haslam, Alexander, Corker) are actually derided as RINOs by the Freepers and Teatards, even though Tennessee is a very wingnutty state. I voted for McWherter, but in a way I see some good coming from Haslam winning.
Democrats should not be surprised if they get their asses handed to them if they try running to the right. The days of the Yellow Dog Dixiecrats are long gone; any remaining holdouts are probably very few in number.
burnspbesq
@MikeBoyScout:
” Just don’t want to pay it again.”
Then you don’t want to have a Dem majority in the House. Ever.
In the districts where Blue Dogs have won, they represent the limit of how far left you can be and win.
Reality’s a bitch, innit?
Bill Murray
Grayson did not get beat as badly as Kosmas did in a similar district, despite Kosmas running quietly right, so maybe Grayson’s votes and mouth helped him some.
goatchowder
Yeah, now, next time, can’t we take these assholes out in the PRIMARY, so we have an actual hard-working Democrat in the race against the Repug? So that, you know, we don’t have to LOSE a seat in order to win it?