• Menu
  • Skip to primary navigation
  • Skip to main content
  • Skip to primary sidebar

Before Header

  • About Us
  • Lexicon
  • Contact Us
  • Our Store
  • ↑
  • ↓
  • ←
  • →

Balloon Juice

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

When you’re in more danger from the IDF than from Russian shelling, that’s really bad.

Following reporting rules is only for the little people, apparently.

Let’s bury these fuckers at the polls 2 years from now.

Radicalized white males who support Trump are pitching a tent in the abyss.

Republicans cannot even be trusted with their own money.

Never give a known liar the benefit of the doubt.

When your entire life is steeped in white supremacy, equality feels like discrimination.

“I was told there would be no fact checking.”

The Giant Orange Man Baby is having a bad day.

Live so that if you miss a day of work people aren’t hoping you’re dead.

Today’s gop: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

People really shouldn’t expect the government to help after they watched the GOP drown it in a bathtub.

They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.

The low info voters probably won’t even notice or remember by their next lap around the goldfish bowl.

“But what about the lurkers?”

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

Second rate reporter says what?

Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

How stupid are these people?

Our job is not to persuade republicans but to defeat them.

One lie, alone, tears the fabric of reality.

Trump’s cabinet: like a magic 8 ball that only gives wrong answers.

Fundamental belief of white supremacy: white people are presumed innocent, minorities are presumed guilty.

Mobile Menu

  • Seattle Meet-up Post
  • 2025 Activism
  • Targeted Political Fundraising
  • Donate with Venmo, Zelle & PayPal
  • Site Feedback
  • War in Ukraine
  • Submit Photos to On the Road
  • Politics
  • On The Road
  • Open Threads
  • Topics
  • COVID-19
  • Authors
  • About Us
  • Contact Us
  • Lexicon
  • Our Store
  • Politics
  • Open Threads
  • 2025 Activism
  • Garden Chats
  • On The Road
  • Targeted Fundraising!
You are here: Home / Open Threads / Open Thread: Retro Politics

Open Thread: Retro Politics

by Anne Laurie|  December 15, 20109:55 pm| 44 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Daydream Believers, DC Press Corpse

FacebookTweetEmail

Dan Froomkin at Huffington Post (yeah, but I respect Froomkin) brings news of another blast from the past:

Even as President Obama on Thursday attempts to put a good face on the war in Afghanistan, Vietnam-era whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and several dozen other anti-war protesters will be chaining themselves to the White House fence, inviting arrest in the name of peace.
__
“We are dedicated to exposing the true costs of war and militarism,” explained Mike Ferner, the president of Veterans for Peace, the group organizing Thursday’s Lafayette Square rally and civil disobedience.
__
“We’ve killed well over a million people. We’ve orphaned and displaced five times that number at least. And here in our own country, we’ve managed to throw millions of people of out work and out of their homes,” Ferner told reporters at a press conference Wednesday. “There is a connection there. That connection is the true cost of war.”
__
Citing information available for every city and state in America on the Cost of War website, the former Navy hospital corpsman noted that his hometown of Toledo alone has sent almost a billion dollars into the war effort…

There’s more information at the Veterans for Peace link. But since these are DFHs, I doubt the media will give them anywhere near the same attention as those Very Serious People grifting under the No Label banner…

FacebookTweetEmail
Previous Post: « Another piece of red
Next Post: ‘Til It’s Gone… »

Reader Interactions

44Comments

  1. 1.

    Thoughtful Black Co-Citizen

    December 15, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    But since these are DFHs, I doubt the media will give them anywhere near the same attention as those Very Serious People grifting under the No Label banner… protesting Obama’s failed wars, the media will be all over them like Kaus on a three-legged goat.

    fxd

  2. 2.

    El Cid

    December 15, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    All this will do is embolden Al Qa’ida’s #3 and get Nixon elected.

  3. 3.

    Mark S.

    December 15, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    If I’ve learned anything from reading Very Serious People talk about foreign policy, it’s that the most important thing is to show resolve. It doesn’t matter how hopeless or unwinnable a war is, nothing impresses other countries more than blowing trillions of dollars and killing millions of people just to show you mean business.

  4. 4.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    December 15, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Truth is, this will get less play on our own side because nothing paints you like a fringe wacko quicker than opposition to the eternal war machine. We gotta be serious and compromise down to one good war.

  5. 5.

    Delia

    December 15, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Maybe if we all stick our fingers in our ears and sing “la la la, I can’t hear you!” really, really loud nothing bad will happen . . .

  6. 6.

    WyldPirate

    December 15, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    But things are going really well in Afghanistan. General Petreus said so and those darned US Intelligence agencies are wrong! We have made great progress in the last six weeks.

    Victory in the wars is at hand!

  7. 7.

    Corner Stone

    December 15, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    The next six months are critical.

  8. 8.

    jwb

    December 15, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    “I doubt the media will give them anywhere near the same attention as those Very Serious People grifting under the No Label banner…” This is hard to say. It depends on whether the corporate overlords deem that giving the antiwar protesters coverage will weaken the President more than it will cut into the warmongering. In any case, my completely cynical self believes the corporate overlords and VSP are oh so very tired of Afghanistan and recognize that we can’t start a war with Iran until we are basically out of Afghanistan. And the corporate overlords and VSP very, very much want a war with Iran… The antiwar protests in that sense serve the long term goal of war with Iran.

  9. 9.

    Mark S.

    December 15, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    Senator Dipshit, R-SC:

    “We shouldn’t be jamming a major arms control treaty up against Christmas; it’s sacrilegious and disrespectful. What’s going on here is just wrong. This is the most sacred holiday for Christians. They did the same thing last year – they kept everybody here until [Christmas Eve] to force something down everybody’s throat. I think Americans are sick of this.”

    What fucking Christian thinks Christmas is the most sacred holiday? Shit, anyone can come out of vagina. The rising from the dead is the hard part.

  10. 10.

    Delia

    December 15, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    @jwb:

    And the corporate overlords and VSP very, very much want a war with Iran

    Also, according to Wikilinks, such a move would greatly please our good friends in Saudi Arabia. Although they would be forced to publicly denounce us as the Great Satan, naturally. And I expect it would please Al Qaida for rather different reasons.

  11. 11.

    Sly

    December 15, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    @Mark S.:

    “They did the same thing last year – they kept everybody here until [Christmas Eve] to force something down everybody’s throat.”

    Last year that “something” was the ACA. This year it’s Harry Reid’s dick.

  12. 12.

    Chris

    December 15, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    See, when Sarah Palin tweets something, that’s breaking news on CNN. When Sarah Palin answers email, that’s a cover story in Time magazine. When conservatives protest something, that’s a sign that the government/Democrats have gone too far, because “everyone”/”real Americans” know(s) that conservatives don’t like protesting, because it’s unseemly (you know, because hippies do it), so that means that the conservative protesters are doing something even more meaningful, because they hate copying hippies (Bristol Palin’s love-child notwithstanding) (John Boehner’s feelings/crying notwithstanding) (Michael Steele’s “I’m sticking it to The Man!” shtick notwithstanding).

    When anyone on the left protests something, it’s a sign that (1) the media should ignore both the protesters and the issue to show how serious the media is, (2) Obama should move to the center again/more, and (3) the media needs to find some other liberals to counter-protest, on TV/in print, by supporting points #1 and #2.

  13. 13.

    Delia

    December 15, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    @Mark S.:

    What fucking Christian thinks Christmas is the most sacred holiday?

    I think the ones who have decided the whole point of the occasion is buying lots and lots of crap. I mean, if money is your most sacred idol . . .

    Oh wait, that would mean there’s something wrong with these guys, wouldn’t it?

  14. 14.

    freelancer

    December 15, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    @Mark S.:

    You can’t cradle Baby Jesus without nuclear arms.

  15. 15.

    Jewish Steel

    December 15, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    @Sly:

    I can see glimpses of why Reid has been an effective behind the scenes negotiator. I would dread having him patiently explain to me why I continually disappoint him.

    “Yes, Mr. Reid. No, Mr. Reid. Yes, I will try harder Mr. Reid.”

  16. 16.

    Chris

    December 15, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    @Sly: Boy, conservatives sure get off on that “shoving ___ down our throats” reference, don’t they? They just keeping whipping it out, pushing it out of their mouths, beating it like a dead horse, milking it, shooting shouting it at everyone, spraying it around, pulling it out of their asses, and using it over and over again.

  17. 17.

    Uloborus

    December 15, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    I am on the ‘we had to go into Afghanistan, but it’s fucked now thanks to Bush’ team, and I completely support this protest and hope it gets coverage and attention. That much money and (much worse) that many lives should not be pissed away because it makes the armchair generals feel manly. I much prefer a reflexively isolationist public to a reflexively Jingoist public. Iraq is Exhibit A of why war should not be treated lightly.

  18. 18.

    fucen tarmal

    December 15, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    @Mark S.:

    if you have ever taken a drug more exciting than lipitor, that walking on water thing would be pretty cool, base a holiday around that.

    to speak nothing of the water into wine thing, that could be an 8 day thing, like haunukah, except the candles go into empty bottles.

  19. 19.

    jwb

    December 15, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    @Delia: Unfortunately, I’ve come to think it’s inevitable unless the US falls apart or Iran gets a working bomb before all the pieces can be put in place. The problems in this country are just so huge and there’s clearly little will to address them. What do you do when you have an unsolvable problem in a declining empire? Why, you launch a war to distract everyone, of course!

  20. 20.

    PPOG Penguin

    December 15, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    @Mark S.: A major arms control treaty? Yes, that is “sacrilegious and disrespectful” to the season of peace on earth.

  21. 21.

    amk

    December 15, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    Remember that birther nut of an army doctor, who said he wouldn’t deploy since he does not accept this Prez as his CO ? Well, …..

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-us-canada-12005993

    A military jury has convicted an army doctor of disobeying orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questioned US President Barack Obama’s eligibility as commander-in-chief. Lt Col Terrence Lakin, a so-called “birther”, questioned whether Mr Obama was a natural-born citizen as US law requires to be president. Lakin pleaded guilty to the charge at court-martial proceedings. He faces up to three-and-a-half years in prison and dismissal from the army.

    Oh, sweet schadenfreud.

  22. 22.

    handy

    December 15, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    @Mark S.:

    You’re right of course, but he doesn’t know any better since he himself is not actually a Christian. He and everyone of his RW mouthbreathing colleagues are panderers, and the people who continue to vote for them can’t be bothered to actually read that bible they continue to idolize.

  23. 23.

    handy

    December 15, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    @amk:

    This is the best part:

    The military doctor had said before his court martial at Fort Meade, Maryland, that he would “gladly deploy” if Mr Obama’s original birth certificate were released and proven to be authentic.
    But Lakin changed his mind on Wednesday, saying he would deploy to Afghanistan even if his request went unanswered.
    “I don’t want it to end this way,” Lakin said. “I want to continue to serve.”

    Funny how the prospects of jail time can put things into perspective for some people!

  24. 24.

    amk

    December 15, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    @handy: Yup. That ‘doctor’ should cure himself first.

  25. 25.

    srv

    December 15, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    The only voice that got any real attention focused on Bush was Sheehan, and all the John Cole’s of Left could do was punch her for it.

  26. 26.

    Fenster

    December 15, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    (Because nothing else is on…)

    Watching Paul Begala and Dana Loesch debate the whole “working during Christmas is sacrilege” meme on Anderson Cooper.

    Like most of the other GOP cable news pundits, she’s obnoxious and full of empty rhetoric. She even gets smarmy at some points with the back-and-forth.

    But dear God, she’s hot. Like an early 90’s Demi Moore. How on earth did she get mixed up with a huckster like Breitbart?

  27. 27.

    Brick Oven Bill

    December 15, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    handy does not comprehend the historical role of government.

  28. 28.

    freelancer

    December 15, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    @srv:

    The only voice that got any real attention focused on Bush was Sheehan, and all the John Cole’s of Left could do was punch her for it.

    This is a joke, right?

  29. 29.

    handy

    December 15, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    @Brick Oven Bill:

    Ooh do enlighten me, Brick Oven Bill.

  30. 30.

    srv

    December 15, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    @freelancer: I take it you missed it. One of the more amicable examples here.

    You would know ppGaz today as Stuck.

  31. 31.

    Brick Oven Bill

    December 15, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Read your books, my friend.

  32. 32.

    Thoughtful Black Co-Citizen

    December 15, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    @Mark S.: I would pay good money to see their reaction if Franken, Cardin &c complained about having to work during Yom Kippur.

  33. 33.

    cat48

    December 15, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Are they gay? because those protests always get rubbed in the president’s face so there’s still hope for you & Froomkin.

  34. 34.

    handy

    December 15, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    @Brick Oven Bill:

    Awww c’mon Bill. Don’t leave me hanging like this, my brother! You gotta give me something, anything. Just a little synopsis would do even.

  35. 35.

    freelancer

    December 16, 2010 at 12:18 am

    @srv:

    I thought it was a joke because of your assertion that “The only voice that got any real attention focused on Bush was Sheehan” and that’s flatly untrue. She became a media spectacle sure, but from the very thread you quote John Cole as “punching her”, check this out (And keep in mind this is still self-identified Republican John Cole, about 6 months after Shiavo):

    Furthermore, you simply refuse to recognize that Cindy Sheehan represents the fringe of the political left, and you have even gone so far as to buy her defense that she didn’t make the statements she has made. Go read yourself. You about had a stroke because I pointed out that Sheehan’s silly and stupid Afghanistan comments were, well, silly and stupid. ‘What right do you have to call them stupid,’ you seethed, not recognizing I have as much right to call them silly and stupid as you do to state they are accurate. Cindy Sheehan is making specific policy demands, as well as demands of the President personally. Yet, according to you, no one is allowed to discuss her political proclamations because she is a private citizen.
    The whole Sheehan circus was/is a political stunt. Nothing more, nothing less, and while it is terrible that she is suffering so regarding the loss of her son, the notion that she will be a launching pad for a dialogue on how to achieve the desired strategic goals in Iraq is ludicrous.

    This is the same Cindy Sheehan that went on to protest alongside ineffectual goofballs like Code Pink, praise Hugo Chavez, and challenge Nancy Smash from the LEFT. In her grief she allowed opportunists of the activist fringe left exploit her story, and in doing so, she became a public figure. Criticizing what she says isn’t demeaning a grieving mom, nor is it defaming the loss of Casey Sheehan.

  36. 36.

    asiangrrlMN

    December 16, 2010 at 12:34 am

    @amk: Fuck, yeah! Nice way to torpedo your own fucking career, asshole.

  37. 37.

    srv

    December 16, 2010 at 1:15 am

    @freelancer:

    and that’s flatly untrue

    It is absolutely true. Cindy started her own crusade and became a willing lightning rod and the media followed. Nobody against the war got any airtime outside of the faposphere until her. And as soon as she did, the John Cole’s and their ilk piled on trying to make it all about her, the evil fringe left, and not the message. From Day One.

    I could care less what career she made out of it, or how silly she seems to you serious folks. Tens of millions of nightly news viewers had to see her camp every day, and nothing anyone else in the anti-war movement ever did holds a candle to to that

  38. 38.

    freelancer

    December 16, 2010 at 1:37 am

    @srv:

    It is absolutely true. Cindy started her own crusade and became a willing lightning rod and the media followed. Nobody against the war got any airtime outside of the faposphere until her.

    And Dan Choi was the catalyst to bring Don’t Ask Don’t Tell repeal to the forefront. Nevermind Victor Fehrenbach or any one of the tens who have bravely come forward or been interviewed while continuing to serve.

    It’s not the same to say that NO ONE else was pursuing media strategies to bring the anti-war voice to the country’s attention. Iraq was so fuckered by 2005 that if it wasn’t Sheehan, it would have been someone else in the media that Summer. There were hundreds of thousands actively trying to make their voices heard against the war in Iraq. Don’t act like the media wouldn’t have been suckered by a circus of a different color.

  39. 39.

    Yutsano

    December 16, 2010 at 2:11 am

    No mas teef gnashing for me tonight. Gonna drink cocoa moo and debate getting up early to fix the car.

  40. 40.

    honus

    December 16, 2010 at 8:03 am

    @Brick Oven Bill: Books are for sissy elitist intellectuals. Tell us your bumper sticker.

  41. 41.

    Marc McKenzie

    December 16, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    @Mark S.:

    Your last two sentences are the funniest things I’ve read in weeks. Thanks for making me laugh out loud–I needed it.

    Hell, I might as well put them up on a sign to display. Great stuff!

  42. 42.

    Mark S.

    December 16, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    @Marc McKenzie:

    It would look good on one of those church billboards.

  43. 43.

    Angry Black Lady

    December 16, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Oh! Another thoughtful black co-citizen!

    Kumbaya mah lord
    Kumbaya

    You know the rest.

Comments are closed.

Trackbacks

  1. cleek » 2010 GOTO 2006 says:
    December 15, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    […] things will start to turn around. For real, this […]

Primary Sidebar

On The Road - beckya57 - Copper Canyon, Mexico, April 2025 6
Image by beckya57 (6/19/25)

Recent Comments

  • oldgold on Simon Rosenberg Sees Emerging Opportunity, and I Make Some Lists (Jun 19, 2025 @ 3:23pm)
  • DEBG on Excellent Read:‘The Struggle to Fulfill Juneteenth’s Promise and Reckon with Its History’ (Jun 19, 2025 @ 3:18pm)
  • cmorenc on Excellent Read:‘The Struggle to Fulfill Juneteenth’s Promise and Reckon with Its History’ (Jun 19, 2025 @ 3:18pm)
  • H.E.Wolf on Excellent Read:‘The Struggle to Fulfill Juneteenth’s Promise and Reckon with Its History’ (Jun 19, 2025 @ 3:12pm)
  • trollhattan on AM in NC – NO KINGS – Durham, NC (with the Durham images this time!) (Jun 19, 2025 @ 3:11pm)

Personality Crisis Podcast (Cole, DougJ, mistermix)

Balloon Juice Posts

View by Topic
View by Author
View by Month & Year
View by Past Author

Featuring

Medium Cool
Artists in Our Midst
Authors in Our Midst
No Kings Protests June 14 2025

🎈Keep Balloon Juice Ad Free

Become a Balloon Juice Patreon
Donate with Venmo, Zelle or PayPal

Calling All Jackals

Site Feedback
Nominate a Rotating Tag
Submit Photos to On the Road
Balloon Juice Anniversary (All Links)
Balloon Juice Anniversary (All Posts)
Fix Nyms with Apostrophes

Social Media

Balloon Juice
WaterGirl
TaMara
John Cole
DougJ (aka NYT Pitchbot)
Betty Cracker
Tom Levenson
David Anderson
Major Major Major Major
DougJ NYT Pitchbot
mistermix

Keeping Track

Legal Challenges (Lawfare)
Republicans Fleeing Town Halls (TPM)
21 Letters (to Borrow or Steal)
Search Donations from a Brand

Site Footer

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

  • Facebook
  • RSS
  • Twitter
  • YouTube
  • Comment Policy
  • Our Authors
  • Blogroll
  • Our Artists
  • Privacy Policy

Copyright © 2025 Dev Balloon Juice · All Rights Reserved · Powered by BizBudding Inc

Share this ArticleLike this article? Email it to a friend!

Email sent!