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Patriotic Americans

by DougJ|  December 26, 201010:13 am| 122 Comments

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Someone put this note on my grandmother’s car while she was waiting outside a store to pick someone up.

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  1. 1.

    cathyx

    December 26, 2010 at 10:19 am

    Did she see them put the note on it?

  2. 2.

    cathyx

    December 26, 2010 at 10:20 am

    It’s actually kinda funny.

  3. 3.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 10:25 am

    So has anyone else received a few inches of Christmas Global Warming?

    OTOH, there’s nothing like taking out the old 4×4 truck in this snow!

  4. 4.

    DougJ

    December 26, 2010 at 10:26 am

    @cathyx:

    I don’t know how she missed it, but she didn’t notice the person doing it. It was snowing.

  5. 5.

    ThresherK

    December 26, 2010 at 10:27 am

    I don’t know where your grandmother was when she got this note. What galls me a bit isn’t this on the 26th of December (with a blizzard forecast for much of the Northeast). I’m much more puzzled about folks idling in a parking lot for long stretches of time during daytime in, say, April, September, and October. The times when one doesn’t have to worry about heating or AC inside the car, even possibly open the windows and enjoy a bit of real-world air?

  6. 6.

    Ross Hershberger

    December 26, 2010 at 10:27 am

    back in the spring I accidentally left my car running for 9 hours while I was at work. I calculated the fuel used and determined that idling cost $0.0011/minute. About a nickel’s worth of gas to idle for 5 minutes, at $2.65/gallon.

    That’s about 15ml of gas/minute.

  7. 7.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 10:28 am

    I love using the remote start especially in the summer to let the truck get real ice cold before I even have to step inside it.

    Usually takes about 20 mins. worth of idling. Love it.

  8. 8.

    Chyron HR

    December 26, 2010 at 10:33 am

    @change:

    DADT will remain the police of the US military into the distant future. No repeal is going to happen, liberals, we’re going to run out the clock on the insane duck session.

    Those climate change “scientists” could learn something from your predictive models, change.

  9. 9.

    gnomedad

    December 26, 2010 at 10:36 am

    @change:

    So has anyone else received a few inches of Christmas Global Warming?

    Hahahaha, never heard that one before. You’re run rings around us logically!

  10. 10.

    David

    December 26, 2010 at 10:38 am

    In other words, Grandma was palling around with terrorists.

  11. 11.

    PeakVT

    December 26, 2010 at 10:39 am

    It’s not really bin Laden that benefits from idiots like change. Hugo Chavez and the Saudi theocrats, on the other hand, do.

  12. 12.

    Valdivia

    December 26, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Does the cleek pie filter work on an iPad? I forgot change didnt just talk about his love if pie….

  13. 13.

    alwhite

    December 26, 2010 at 10:43 am

    This reminds me of Bill Maher’s attempt to do something useful after 9/11. His book “When you ride alone you ride with Osama” contained reworked WWII propaganda posters. I thought it was a tremendous idea. If we really are going to take power away from the terrorist we need to eliminate the funding we give them via oil.

    We have known this needs to be done for 30 years but we refuse to do what is required.

  14. 14.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 10:45 am

    By far the vast majority of oil used in the US comes from domestic sources, Canada, and Mexico.

  15. 15.

    Jay in Oregon

    December 26, 2010 at 10:46 am

    @change:

    I love using the remote start especially in the summer to let the truck get real ice cold before I even have to step inside it.

    OK, I know I didn’t ask Santa for a boring, passive-aggressive troll. Did anyone else?

  16. 16.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Of course if we’re allowed to drill on federal lands we can have even more domestic sources of oil…it’s not oil imports liberals hate, it’s the freedom fossil fuels give us.

    Like big-ass trucks with remote start. Liberal snobs hate ’em, everyone else loves ’em.

  17. 17.

    agrippa

    December 26, 2010 at 10:47 am

    @gnomedad:

    Yes, ‘change’ offers very logical arguments.

  18. 18.

    Ross Hershberger

    December 26, 2010 at 10:48 am

    @alwhite:

    We have known this needs to be done for 30 years but we refuse to do what is required.

    Yup. If we had taken the OPEC oil crisis seriously and actually worked on decreasing our energy consumption for the last 3 decades the world would be quite a different place today in a lot of significant ways. Unfortunately there’s no profit in getting Americans to use less of anything that can be sold at a profit, so it was never going to happen.
    Ask my dad when he’s filling up his 1.1mpg boat with $4/gallon dock gas.

  19. 19.

    cathyx

    December 26, 2010 at 10:48 am

    @alwhite: We will do what needs to be done when the price is high enough. It’s just not high enough yet. What would that price be? I suppose it’s a different price for each of us.
    I haven’t changed my driving habits too much so far. So the price isn’t high enough for me yet.

  20. 20.

    alwhite

    December 26, 2010 at 10:48 am

    @change:
    If you were marginally literate and actually interested in understanding global warming you would know that the models predict more, and larger, storms. The additional moisture in the air will lead to much more precipitation. You know, like the huge snowfalls & SoCal rains we have seen.

    But it is so much easier to be an ignorant ass and remain blind to what is happening around you because it would disagree with what your master voice whispers in you ear every day on the radio.

    Yes, you are oh so clever.

  21. 21.

    Ross Hershberger

    December 26, 2010 at 10:50 am

    @change:

    Like big-ass trucks with remote start. Liberal snobs hate ‘em, everyone else loves ‘em.

    I’m a liberal snob and I loved my 454 Suburban.

    So you’re wrong.

    Now go away.

  22. 22.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 10:51 am

    @alwhite:

    Yes, yes, when it’s hot, that’s global warming.

    When it’s cold, that’s global warming too!

    When there are hurricanes, THAT’S global warming!

    Everything proves global warming!

    http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

  23. 23.

    Chyron HR

    December 26, 2010 at 10:51 am

    @change:

    I like to leave my truck in the garage with the engine running for hours. I sit in it and listen to my stupid nanny-state neighbor yelling that I’m giving myself brain dammmoogmg.

    Suddenly, it all makes sense.

  24. 24.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 10:53 am

    @Ross Hershberger:

    I’m a Ford man so I have an Expedition (long wheelbase version).

    13.5 mpg in mostly highway driving!

  25. 25.

    alwhite

    December 26, 2010 at 10:53 am

    @change:
    So its school day for ol changy here – but I doubt its capable of actual learning.

    IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE THE OIL COMES FROM AS LONG AS DEMAND IS THE SAME THE $/BBL COST WILL BE SENT TO OUR ENEMIES FOR EVERY BBL THEY SHIP. So buying from Mexico does not reduce the global flow of dollars to the Saud family.

    And it does not matter where the oil comes from the CO2 still increases global climate change.

  26. 26.

    Chyron HR

    December 26, 2010 at 10:53 am

    @change:

    Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared.

    Look, that articles says that snow will never happen again! Change’s super-duper reading skills have proved it!

    Now can you run off, sobbing and soiling yourself in terror the way you did the last time you posted that same article and it was “refudiated” in the exact same way? Thanks.

  27. 27.

    Dennis SGMM

    December 26, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Look on the bright side: if you ever need an idiot you now know that you can find one at your local mall. You even know what bait to use.

  28. 28.

    suzanne

    December 26, 2010 at 10:53 am

    @alwhite: Seriously. Don’t bother. Just point and laugh.

  29. 29.

    Pixie

    December 26, 2010 at 10:54 am

    I’m not sure what the deal is, but people seem to be even uglier than normal during this time of year.

  30. 30.

    alwhite

    December 26, 2010 at 10:54 am

    @change:
    If we all agree you are right will you go away?

  31. 31.

    cathyx

    December 26, 2010 at 10:54 am

    @change: No, global warming shows up as extreme weather conditions that are not a normal for the area affected, whether it’s hotter/colder than usual, more/less snow than usual, or more hurricanes, tornadoes, or flooding than usual.

  32. 32.

    ThresherK

    December 26, 2010 at 10:54 am

    @change: It’s good to know that your obsession with big-ass trucks in no manner reflects something which should remain between you and your therapist.

  33. 33.

    Xboxershorts

    December 26, 2010 at 10:55 am

    @change:

    One of the drones must have learned how to read.

    Keep coming back, we’ll teach you critical thinking next!

  34. 34.

    Ross Hershberger

    December 26, 2010 at 10:55 am

    @change:

    Compensate much?

  35. 35.

    gnomedad

    December 26, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Asking young people to die in combat = patriotism. Asking citizens to conserve fuel = soshulism. Now I understand.

  36. 36.

    valdivia

    December 26, 2010 at 10:57 am

    ok now that I am on my computer and all I can see is a conversation about pie and the size of change’s truck all is right with the world again.

    I also think that article he keeps quoting was already shown to say exactly the opposite of what he thinks it says.

  37. 37.

    Ross Hershberger

    December 26, 2010 at 10:59 am

    @Pixie:

    I’m not sure what the deal is, but people seem to be even uglier than normal during this time of year.

    Poor diet, lack of sleep, disruption of schedule, pressure to have a good time when lots of us want to be left alone, good music gone from the radio, etc. Everyone thinks that everyone else thinks the holidays are great, but I’ll bet a secret vote would legally restrict Christmas to 2.25 days/year and we’d be free of it the rest of the time.
    Maybe that’s just me but I don’t think so.

  38. 38.

    Albatrossity

    December 26, 2010 at 11:04 am

    @change: According to the US Energy Information Administration, in a typical week domestic US petroleum production (including Alaska) is about half of the petroleum imported into the country. In terms of what we import from Canada and Mexico, it is about half of what we import from OPEC nations.

    So change’s assertion – “By far the vast majority of oil used in the US comes from domestic sources, Canada, and Mexico” is, per usual, incorrect. But don’t let those inconvenient facts bother you, change. Keep on believin’, and making shit up, like a good limbaughtomized beckerhead!

  39. 39.

    Maude

    December 26, 2010 at 11:05 am

    That is such a stupid sign
    A holier than thou put it there.
    It’s not even suitable for framing.

  40. 40.

    DecidedFenceSitter

    December 26, 2010 at 11:06 am

    @Ross Hershberger: And don’t forget societally enforced socialization with folks that the only reason we’re socializing with is but the random chance of genetics.

    My holidays would be so much better if I didn’t have to deal with family, gift giving, or the fall-out from ignoring those societal mores.

  41. 41.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:07 am

    I feel sorry for all of you suckers on public transit–slammed up cheek-by-jowl against every freak under the sun, having to hear them, smell them, listen to their cell phone yapping, have no person space–while I sit in my big drivers seat in my own little kingdom and listen to the music I want, control the temperature I want, and don’t have to be near anybody.

    On the subway you’re a serf, in the car, you’re a king.

    Freedom, baby.

  42. 42.

    Dennis SGMM

    December 26, 2010 at 11:08 am

    @Ross Hershberger:

    Having lived through the Oil Embargo and having seen all of the inconvenience and collateral ugliness that accompanied it, I was astonished at the time that the American people didn’t rise up and demand that the government embark on a Manhattan Project to end our dependence on foreign oil. Nearly everyone just seemed to forget the whole episode as soon as the tap was turned on again. Then I realized that people had literally put it out of their minds because I’m guessing that no one wanted to deal with the fact that mighty America is at the mercy of a bunch of Arabs.

  43. 43.

    gbear

    December 26, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Change, instead of burning all your money by running a big assed truck, why don’t you just torch your money in a fire pit. That’ll really piss off the neighbors. They’ll be so envious.Throw some treated lumber in there too just to poison the air a little. Ha ha.

  44. 44.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:08 am

    @gbear:

    That wouldn’t raise as many pounds of carbon! :)

  45. 45.

    Dennis SGMM

    December 26, 2010 at 11:10 am

    On the subway you’re a serf, in the car, you’re a king.

    And if you’re commuting to Los Angeles’ West Side your car moves just about as fast as a castle does.

  46. 46.

    joe from Lowell

    December 26, 2010 at 11:11 am

    @PeakVT:

    It’s not really bin Laden that benefits from idiots like change. Hugo Chavez and the Saudi theocrats, on the other hand, do.

    Lord knows I’ve got very little love for the Saudi theocrats, but this ignoramus line about the Saudis = bin Laden is offensive nonsense. In point of fact, the House of Saud/Saudi Arabian government and al Qaeda have been at war with each other for years – longer than the US has been at war with al Qaeda.

    Literally, at war. Osama has directed bombings and assassination attempts against the Saudis. They’re responded with paramilitary raids on al Qaeda cells. They’re actually in a shooting war – but for some reason most likely related to a slightly more sophisticated version of “All them people look alike,” people insist that they’re one and the same.

  47. 47.

    Ross Hershberger

    December 26, 2010 at 11:12 am

    @DecidedFenceSitter:

    My holidays would be so much better if I didn’t have to deal with family, gift giving, or the fall-out from ignoring those societal more.s

    I’ve bailed on all of that. My only official Christmas act was a road trip to visit my mother and step father, who were alone yesterday.
    It’s easier around here to not participate in the holidays because there’s a variety of religious traditions represented locally. Everyone assumes you must be one of the other ones and you can slip between the cracks.
    I have to say that my Christian friends and co-workers have been very pleasant, friendly and genuinely warm this holiday season. I genuinely enjoy and appreciate that, so maybe the holidays are good for something.

  48. 48.

    gbear

    December 26, 2010 at 11:13 am

    It’s ironic that ‘change’ uses the name of the global climate phenomina that we are experiencing more and more each year. Maybe he should use the name ‘warming’ instead if he wants to remain so stupid about what’s really happening.

  49. 49.

    gbear

    December 26, 2010 at 11:14 am

    @change: Yea but the purpose is to piss people off, not to make sense.

  50. 50.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:14 am

    @gbear:

    Funny you switched from “global warming” to “climate change” as soon as people noticed the obvious…yawn.

    Hey, Kentucky Fried Chicken is now KFC! Totally different!

  51. 51.

    joe from Lowell

    December 26, 2010 at 11:15 am

    @change:

    I feel sorry for all of you suckers on public transit

    I feel sorry for you, having nothing better to do over the holidays than this trolling. That giant truck is clearly filling a giant hole in your life.

    Just so you know, your misanthropic screed about how awful it is to be in the company of other people doesn’t read at all like the sour grapes of someone with no social life.

    You’re not a king; you’re a hermit, sealing yourself off so you can pretend your rejection by your fellows was your choice.

    Sad little thing.

  52. 52.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Hey remember when “climate change” was called “global cooling” back in the ’70s?

    Remember when they predicted we’d run out of oil by the late 1990s?

  53. 53.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:18 am

    @joe from Lowell:

    Liberals hate any kind of individualism. They hate your having your own car and driving to work by your own chosen path at your own time. They even object to your having your own house and a backyard.

    You should be living collectively in small apartments, where you can smell your neighbors’ cooking and hear him slam his door and flush his john. You ought to be riding to work in public transportation train cars, packed in cheek by jowl with the whole range and variety of humanity, rubbing up against them, inhaling their breath and body odors.

    Exurban life represents a rejection of the entire urban life style, of trendy restaurants, of currently hot music clubs, of the clash of interest groups in urban politics, of both fashion and Bohemianism in favor of family and of shopping in favor of Nature.

    http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/05/19/liberals-hate-suburbs-and-the-automobile/

  54. 54.

    joe from Lowell

    December 26, 2010 at 11:18 am

    The Eskimos have 50 different words for snow.

    “change” has 50 different words for “For God’s sake, someone pay attention to me!”

  55. 55.

    chuck

    December 26, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Why does your gran hate us for our freedoms?

  56. 56.

    joe from Lowell

    December 26, 2010 at 11:24 am

    You should be living collectively in small apartments, where you can smell your neighbors’ cooking and hear him slam his door and flush his john. You ought to be riding to work in public transportation train cars, packed in cheek by jowl with the whole range and variety of humanity, rubbing up against them, inhaling their breath and body odors.

    It’s difficult to read somebody expressing such a visceral, profound disgust towards human beings, and especially the horror of the human body, without suspecting repressed homosexuality.

    That, or a particularly brutal experience with toilet training.

    You just keep getting sadder.

  57. 57.

    geg6

    December 26, 2010 at 11:26 am

    @joe from Lowell:

    This says how I feel about that sad little troll change better than I could say it myself. What a pitiful life he must have.

  58. 58.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:27 am

    @joe from Lowell:

    http://www.newsweek.com/2009/05/15/ray-lahood-transformed.html

    People GOING PLACES? Without GOVERNMENT SUPERVISION?

    Owning PRIVATE PROPERTY?

    My God, we can’t have THAT! How will we ever acvhieve our Great Society?

    The war against “sprawl” is very retro.

  59. 59.

    gbear

    December 26, 2010 at 11:27 am

    @change: Yea, kind of like when people went from believing that the sun revolved around the earth to believing that the earth revolved around the sun. How revisionist was that?

    I’m heading out to shovel some more of our new reality.

  60. 60.

    joe from Lowell

    December 26, 2010 at 11:28 am

    @change:

    Hey remember when “climate change” was called “global cooling” back in the ‘70s?

    No.

    Was the 70s the last time you had friends? Those boys started picking on you when you all hit high school, didn’t they?

    Big truck, you say? I’ll bet it’s a great, big one.

  61. 61.

    jayjaybear

    December 26, 2010 at 11:30 am

    @change: “Exurban life” represents the new White Flight. Can’t live with “them”, can we? We might get to (gasp!) KNOW them as human beings!

  62. 62.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:31 am

    @jayjaybear:

    Wow, the race card already!

  63. 63.

    joe from Lowell

    December 26, 2010 at 11:32 am

    My favorite George Will column was the one he wrote after the Reykjavik Accords were signed, which began, “Yesterday will be remembered as the day American lost the Cold War.”

    Now George Will – there’s a guy who never responded to getting picked on in his youth by adopting a sneering, elitist politics centered around hatred of the human beings that rejected him.

  64. 64.

    joe from Lowell

    December 26, 2010 at 11:34 am

    “Call me a sad, over-compensating misanthrope, will you? I’ll show you…I’ll link to something George Will wrote!”

    Er…well played, sir. No, you’re not pathetic.

  65. 65.

    Ross Hershberger

    December 26, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Aaaand I’m outa here.

  66. 66.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Sounds like someone’s projecting because I hit a nerve.

    Pissed you’re stuck on the bus, joe? Do you fume against “the rich” for your failure to ever make a comfortable living?

  67. 67.

    barstoolcadaver

    December 26, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Change has a big unit but a minuscule package. Plus a crack’d brain-pan.

  68. 68.

    Janet Strange

    December 26, 2010 at 11:37 am

    I have two bumper stickers on my car. One on the back that says “Obama 08” (which I intend to leave there as long as he is president – I had to look at “W” stickers for 8 years, after all) and one on the front that says “Republican health care plan: Be rich or die.”

    During the health care bill debate, I got a note on my windshield that said, “I am not responsible for keeping you alive. Signed, a Republican.” Sort of summed it all up, I thought.

    I don’t know if the person that left the note considers him/herself a Christian, but I’m amazed at how many people who do don’t seem to have read the Gospels. Especially this part.

    Seeing as how change hates other people, I wonder how he/she feels about Jesus. Jesus was big on hanging out with undesirables – like the folks who ride the bus today. According to change that is. The buses I ride occasionally have all kinds of people on them. Though I do notice a high percentage of physically handicapped people on them. They don’t bother me the way they do change though.

  69. 69.

    Jewish Steel

    December 26, 2010 at 11:38 am

    I read it as directly addressed to OBL.

    Thanks for idling, Osama Bin Laden.

    I’m glad he’s idling too.

  70. 70.

    Bob In Pacifica

    December 26, 2010 at 11:42 am

    It was cold downstairs this morning so there cannot be global warming.

    I’ll get back to you on why God put fossils on earth to trick people into believing in evolution.

  71. 71.

    joe from Lowell

    December 26, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Ayn Rand was a great comfort for you after your friends abandoned you, wasn’t she?

    And you don’t seem to understand how projection works, either.

  72. 72.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Yup, I nailed it. Joey is just another angry “progressive” ranting against “the rich”, instead of working hard he’d rather live off of mommy’s tit or the government dole, stealing from hard working taxpayers at the point of a gun to take the money for himself.

  73. 73.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Yup, I nailed it. Joey is just another angry “progressive” ranting against “the rich”, instead of working hard he’d rather live off of mommy’s tit or the government dole, stealing from hard working taxpayers at the point of a gun to take the money for himself.

  74. 74.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Yup, I nailed it. Joey is just another angry “progressive” ranting against “the rich”, instead of working hard he’d rather live off of mommy’s tit or the government dole, stealing from hard working taxpayers at the point of a gun to take the money for himself.

  75. 75.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Yup, I nailed it. Joey is just another angry “progressive” ranting against “the rich”, instead of working hard he’d rather live off of mommy’s tit or the government dole, stealing from hard working taxpayers at the point of a gun to take the money for himself.

  76. 76.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Yup, I nailed it. Joey is just another angry “progressive” ranting against “the rich”, instead of working hard he’d rather live off of mommy’s tit or the government dole, stealing from hard working taxpayers at the point of a gun to take the money for himself.

  77. 77.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Yup, I nailed it. Joey is just another angry “progressive” ranting against “the rich”, instead of working hard he’d rather live off of mommy’s tit or the government dole, stealing from hard working taxpayers at the point of a gun to take the money for himself.

  78. 78.

    Bob In Pacifica

    December 26, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Grandma got run over by bin Laden…

    One of my favorite Christmas songs.

    By the way, why not lots of coverage on TAPI? It explains so much about a decade-long “search” for bin Laden in Afghanistan. You know, “We came for bin Laden, and stayed for the pipeline.”

  79. 79.

    Cat Lady

    December 26, 2010 at 11:50 am

    More or less on topic, but when the first anniversary of 9/11 rolled around and there were tributes all over the place, a co-worker’s niece, who was 8 or 9 at the time, was asked what 9/11 meant to her. She excitedly piped up “it’s Osama bin Laden’s birthday!” So perhaps this sign writer is mixing his/her metaphors too. Also.

  80. 80.

    PeakVT

    December 26, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    @joe from Lowell: Are you yelling at me? I wasn’t saying that bin Laden = Saudi aristocracy.

  81. 81.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 26, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    @change #72: LOLWUT?
    @change #73: LOLWUT?
    @change #74: LOLWUT?
    @change #75: LOLWUT?
    @change #76: LOLWUT?
    @change #76: LOLWUT?

  82. 82.

    Davis X. Machina

    December 26, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    @jayjaybear:

    “Exurban life” represents the new White Flight. Can’t live with “them”, can we? We might get to (gasp!) KNOW them as human beings!

    The only neighbor a real American needs is a dead white-tail deer, and he moves when he can see the smoke from the chimney of his neighbor’s cabin.

    Now if you will excuse me, I have to go put on my Carharts, and do things onanistic with the Cabela’s catalog.

  83. 83.

    chopper

    December 26, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    @change:

    wow, a troll who can’t tell the difference between temperature and precipitation. how tedious.

  84. 84.

    joe from Lowell

    December 26, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    @PeakVT: No, I was agreeing with you.

  85. 85.

    joe from Lowell

    December 26, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Pro Tip: When you set out to troll a thread, and you end up getting so angry that you start swearing and furiously hitting “Submit” over and over and over again…UR NOT DOIN IT RITE.

    Lol, I trolled the troll.

    I love that.

  86. 86.

    Davis X. Machina

    December 26, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Peak pie approaches.

  87. 87.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    @joe from Lowell:

    I hit the button once. There’s a flaw in the software.

    If anyone is angry on this thread, it seems you are. Must have hit quite a nerve there.

    Perhaps now you will learn to work as a taxpayer rather than suck off the government dole as a parasite?

  88. 88.

    change

    December 26, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    I’m going out on a limb here and guessing that joe from lowell has never held a job that wasn’t funded by taxpayers.

  89. 89.

    Lysana

    December 26, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    You know the trolling’s getting desperate when the troll posts the same thing six times.

    YAWN.

  90. 90.

    johnsmith1882

    December 26, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    haha, an online temper tantrum. He didn’t get what he wanted for Christmas: The ‘Lil Denier’s No-Such-Thing-as-Global-Warming-Cuz-It’s-Snowing-in-the-Winter-and-Al-Gore-Rode-a-Plane-to-a-Conference Science Kit (disclaimer: contains no actual science).

  91. 91.

    PeakVT

    December 26, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    @joe from Lowell: Ok, then. Carry on trolling the troll. :)

  92. 92.

    Davis X. Machina

    December 26, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    @johnsmith1882: Playmobil, however, did release a University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit play set.

  93. 93.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 26, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    @joe from Lowell #85:

    change works in my office building. I see him almost every morning furiously hitting the elevator call button to make it come faster.

    change also shows up at traffic crossings. He’s the one who leans on his horn to force the light to turn green.

    I’ve often seen change in supermarkets and department stores. He’s the two-year-old kid screaming with rage and purple in the face because he can’t reach the candy or toy on the shelf.

  94. 94.

    BGK

    December 26, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    After reading this thread, I have many confusions. Perhaps you can help me.

    When I stopped working from home and went back to working in an office, I bought a Prius for a daily driver. Based on 17 miles a day round trip, I get gas about once a month.

    I kept my other car because it was paid for and I had the garage space. It’s a ’94 Z28 that has very few stock parts, runs a 12.5 quarter mile, and gets 12MPG with a tailwind.

    What does this make me? Self-loathing socia1ist? Crypto-fascist? Secretly desirous of a Kucinich-Palin Unity12 ticket?

    Black and white cats, also.

  95. 95.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    December 26, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    @Ross Hershberger:

    No shit. My very cammed, carbed, 4 bbl’ed high-compression 351W with extensively ported heads happens to like sucking down the fuel. If you wanna play ya gotta pay.

    Stereotype FAIL.

  96. 96.

    Lojasmo

    December 26, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    I walk to work, and leave the Audi in my garage. My home is my castle. I buy gasoline monthly.

  97. 97.

    BGK

    December 26, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    If we started a leftist Ford-vs-Chevy flame war, how could the conservatrolls deal with the (percevied) cognitive dissonance?

  98. 98.

    Steeplejack

    December 26, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    [Deleted after reading rest of thread.]

  99. 99.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    December 26, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    @BGK:

    If that car is still fuel injected then something is wrong with the configuration or tune. The engine in my Mustang is a 351W that has original 4V heads that have been ported, polished and cc’ed, an Erson HF-1 series cam, 10.5 to 1 compression, an Edelbrock RPM intake, Carter 800 CFM ThermoQuad carb, Hedman Elite (yes, I’m a librul elite and so is my car!) racing headers and 2 1/2 inch exhaust. The trans is a three speed C4 auto and the axle ratio is 3.00 to 1.

    I get 17 on the highway and 14 around town. If I had fuel injection and an overdrive trans, I should get around 20 highway (maybe as high as 22 in top tune) and 16 around town, if driven sanely I might add. All bets are off if I jump on the pedal too much…lol! You should be in the same mileage range if your car is equipped with the injected 350 and overdrive trans.

    Of course this is all wrong if you are running 4.11 rear gears, that would give lousy mileage. If that was the situation then I would want to know what’s wrong with the engine as anything geared with a 4.11 set better be doing a lot better than 12.5! Best time (1/4) in my car was 11.41 but I only ran it a few times to see how my home engineering was working out.

    It works well, very well. :)

    An engine has to be purpose built if you want it to perform a certain way. While you can tack on or swap out parts on it and improve the performance, what usually happens is that various modifications can work against each other and actually cost you performance and mileage. A well built engine that has a properly designed induction and fuel system will deliver all the power you want and not waste fuel doing it. Hook that power to the right trans and differential combo and you have the ideal powertrain for a high performance truck or car. I used to build both and while their requirements are the opposite of each other, the challenges delivering what is wanted are not.

    I miss the greasy hand days but at least I still have my rigs to tinker on.

  100. 100.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    December 26, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    @BGK:

    I would guess that they would back me up because Fords are built by free patriots and GMs are built by the government.

    ;)

  101. 101.

    Xecky Gilchrist

    December 26, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    @gnomedad: Asking citizens to conserve fuel = soshulism. Now I understand.

    Yeah! Imagine what would have happened if we’d tried to ration gasoline during WW2! We’d all be speaking Hitlerese now, amirite, wingnutz?

  102. 102.

    ThresherK

    December 26, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    @joe from Lowell: Oh, I know how it works, but I’m pretty sure you don’t. :-)

    (Yeah, it’s an old joke, but when one is married to an LCSW it’s an evergreen.)

  103. 103.

    joe from Lowell

    December 26, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    @change:

    @joe from Lowell:
    I hit the button once. There’s a flaw in the software.

    Funny how it hasn’t happened to a single other person.

    Was your hand shaking?

    UR NOT DOIN IT RITE.

  104. 104.

    joe from Lowell

    December 26, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    @ThresherK:

    Oh, I know how it works, but I’m pretty sure you don’t. :-)

    Oh, spare me all your “Freud” shit, pinko.

    I hate Freud. Freud is just like a big, giant spear thrusting into me from the rear and making me nothing.

    Why is everybody looking at me like that now?

    ;-)

  105. 105.

    TOP123

    December 26, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    @change: I’m curious to know how you would describe what came to be known as the Eisenhower Interstate System (or the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, to be pedantic), which was built at vast expense by the federal government (something north of $400 billion in today’s dollars) to be used for national defense, and also provided for the use of every driver in the country, connecting cities to cities, urban areas to rural areas, stimulating a vast boom in our economy and connecting the nation like never before, remaining to this day the largest government infrastructure project in history, and, oh yeah, allowing people to ‘[GO] PLACES’ ‘without GOVERNMENT SUPERVISION’ and making the sprawl you refer to possible. All by providing people means to access their ‘PRIVATE PROPERTY’ or that of others (say, merchants, business owners), and facilitating the exchange of ‘PRIVATE PROPERTY’ (through, say, access to merchants and small business owners building markets and means of exchange of goods at points along this system, and through shipping of goods across this system) and all of this opened to people through use of their ‘PRIVATE PROPERTY’, that is, their individual vehicle, as opposed to government-run public transportation.

    Creeping Socialism? Incipient Communism?

  106. 106.

    TOP123

    December 26, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    @change: Can you, also, provide a rough estimate of how much, more or less (I’m not an economist by profession, so I don’t want to ask you to do more than provide a general answer, in case you’re not, as well), drilling on Federal lands would reduce the market price of oil over the next, say, thirty years (you’ll need time to get that infrastructure in place, I’d imagine)? Fifty years? And how much, more or less, available estimates of domestic reserves and production capacity represent, in relation to the nation’s average domestic fuel consumption? You could talk about annual consumption, or estimated consumption over the predicted lifetime of that domestic capacity, whichever is more convenient for you.

    Also, can you explain how domestic oil is different from foreign in ways other than transportation costs and accessibility concerns? I’m curious as to how a fungible commodity like oil in an international market system is not connected to other producers (Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Russia) as long as it is drilled in Arctic wildlife reserves and such places.

    Thank you.

  107. 107.

    Cain

    December 26, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    @joe from Lowell:

    Literally, at war. Osama has directed bombings and assassination attempts against the Saudis. They’re responded with paramilitary raids on al Qaeda cells. They’re actually in a shooting war – but for some reason most likely related to a slightly more sophisticated version of “All them people look alike,” people insist that they’re one and the same.

    We are talking about people who believe Iraq was culpable in 9-11.

    cain

  108. 108.

    Cain

    December 26, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    This site has gone downhill. You guys need to reverse troll change much better than this. Good grief.

    Just attack him for godsakes, you don’t need to correct his assertions, he’s not asking for that. He wants it between the legs hard and fast. Give it to him!

    cain

  109. 109.

    asiangrrlMN

    December 26, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    I am dying over here, and all I know is change likes pie *well, that and what’s been excerpted. You guys are way too fucking hilarious.

    I don’t drive much ‘coz I work from home. Got a Honda Accord, and it’s perfect for me.

    @valdivia: Right there with you. change loves pie and his big-ass truck.

    Man. I thought I was a misanthrope. I’m an amateur compared to the stalwart change.

    @BGK: Awwwwwww! That’s such a sweet picture of the two kissing!

  110. 110.

    TOP123

    December 26, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    @joe from Lowell: But aren’t Wahabbist monarchy, Ba’athist Arab Nationalism, and Salafism all more or less the same thing? Sayyid Qutb was like one of the guiding lights for Arab monarchists, and he and Nasser were best buds, right? I might have it wrong–is it the House of Sa’ud–Revolutionary Iran–al Qaeda alliance I’m thinking of? Veleyat e Faqi, Hanafism, Shi’a, Pan Arabism, six/one-half-a-dozen, correct? Are the Sufi the ones with the beheading videos?

  111. 111.

    Mister Papercut

    December 26, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Oh, dear change, you’ve got to get a hold of yourself.

  112. 112.

    BGK

    December 26, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    I get 17 on the highway and 14 around town. If I had fuel injection and an overdrive trans, I should get around 20 highway (maybe as high as 22 in top tune) and 16 around town, if driven sanely I might add. All bets are off if I jump on the pedal too much…lol! You should be in the same mileage range if your car is equipped with the injected 350 and overdrive trans.

    Of course this is all wrong if you are running 4.11 rear gears, that would give lousy mileage. If that was the situation then I would want to know what’s wrong with the engine as anything geared with a 4.11 set better be doing a lot better than 12.5! Best time (1/4) in my car was 11.41 but I only ran it a few times to see how my home engineering was working out.

    A few marginally on-topic things:

    I hardly ever drive on the highway in either car, so the mileage I referenced was for city driving. On the interstate in 6th gear, the engine turns roughly 1600RPM at 75mph and I can get 25-27MPG without issue. In town, I usually drive one gear lower than reasonable, as I enjoy the obnoxious sound effects…

    This car has a Vortech S-trim pulleyed for about 7 PSI boost at 6000RPM. Stock compression on the LT1 V8 is 10.5:1, and the cast pistons’ ring lands can give way under even modest detonation, so I in somewhat typical fashion for this car had the ECM reprogrammed to run overly rich as cheap insurance. A bottom-end rebuild with forged pistons is perpetually out of reach.

    Rear gears are just 3.73s. I can’t run slicks, even ET Streets, as the glass-jaw stock 10-bolt will start whining like a Republican after one or two launches with anything sticky. That’s assuming the ring gear doesn’t just shatter. My 60′ times on street tires are a total joke as it’s either launch really softly or leave a big cloud of smoke. I know people with similar bolt-ons and a 12-bolt rear who got solidly into the 11s. Again, all it takes is dough.

  113. 113.

    BGK

    December 26, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    I would guess that they would back me up because Fords are built by free patriots and GMs are built by the government.

    Even worse: 4th gen F-bodies were built by French Canadians who don’t even speak American.

  114. 114.

    Shadow's Mom

    December 26, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    @asiangrrlMN: As am I.

    For those struggling with holiday stress, I offer my friends’ guide to sane holidays. Their blog isn’t bad either.

    Poor change, love his assumption that a fungible commodity like oil will remain in the country/on the continent from which it came. Also, his ignorance about the difference between climate and weather. Change, baby, weather brings about the snow and rain and cold and heat in a particular area on a given day. Climate defines the patterns of weather that are probable in a particular area. Climate is changing with wider extremes between heat and cold, aridity and humidity, the intensity of storms.

  115. 115.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 26, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    “When you drive alone, you drive with Dick Cheney”

    I think that’s more appropriate. However, given that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were Osama’s most valued and productive recruiting agents, Osama works as well.

  116. 116.

    Ruckus

    December 26, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    @Albatrossity:

    beckerhead

    That about sums it up.

    I assume the etimology of beckerhead comes from peckerhead, which would make perfect sense here.

  117. 117.

    celticdragonchick

    December 26, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    @change:

    You are a fucking idiot.

    “ZOMG!! Sn ow somewhere! No global warming!”

    Like already mantioned above…increased heat in the tropics leads to more evaporarion and more precioitation in some areas…but the overall average temperature keeps going up.

    This is not a difficult fucking concept. This is why the glacial depth at the center of Antarctica is inceasing while the edges are being nibbled away by warmer waters. Eventually, the center will be affected as well.

    Christ, you are a determined-to-be-stupid pile of insufferable ignorance.

  118. 118.

    TOP123

    December 26, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    @TOP123: stuck in moderation, or limbo, or the snow… mebe spelling fixez will help.

    @change: I’m curious to know how you would describe what came to be known as the Eisenhower Interstate System (or the Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, to be pedantic), which was built at vast expense by the federal government (something north of $400 billion in today’s dollars) to be used for national defense, and also provided for the use of every driver in the country, connecting cities to cities, urban areas to rural areas, stimulating a vast boom in our economy and connecting the nation like never before, remaining to this day the largest government infrastructure project in history, and, oh yeah, allowing people to ‘[GO] PLACES’ ‘without GOVERNMENT SUPERVISION’ and making the sprawl you refer to possible. All by providing people means to access their ‘PRIVATE PROPERTY’ or that of others (say, merchants, business owners), and facilitating the exchange of ‘PRIVATE PROPERTY’ (through, say, access to merchants and small business owners building markets and means of exchange of goods at points along this system, and through shipping of goods across this system) and all of this opened to people through use of their ‘PRIVATE PROPERTY’, that is, their individual vehicle, as opposed to government-run public transportation.

    Creeping Soshulism? Incipient Communism?

  119. 119.

    SRW1

    December 26, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    @change:

    Sparky, you’re a bit out of date. Here’s a bit of help to bring you up to date. And just to make sure, you don’t miss it, the study in question was carried out before the harsh winter last year.

  120. 120.

    joe from Lowell

    December 26, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    @Cain:

    We are talking about people who believe Iraq was culpable in 9-11.

    Sadly, we’re also talking about a lot of liberals, who also make the mistake of tying al Qaeda to the (admittedly loathsome) Saudi government.

    @TOP123:

    @joe from Lowell: But aren’t Wahabbist monarchy, Ba’athist Arab Nationalism, and Salafism all more or less the same thing? Sayyid Qutb was like one of the guiding lights for Arab monarchists, and he and Nasser were best buds, right? I might have it wrong—is it the House of Sa’ud—Revolutionary Iran—al Qaeda alliance I’m thinking of? Veleyat e Faqi, Hanafism, Shi’a, Pan Arabism, six/one-half-a-dozen, correct? Are the Sufi the ones with the beheading videos?

    Finally, someone who gets it!

    Lol.

  121. 121.

    DougW

    December 26, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    @change:
    Actually, most of our domestic crude from Alaska is exported. We are a major net importer.

  122. 122.

    Tim I

    December 26, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Has your grandmother always been an anti-environmental terrorist?

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