I think TBogg has this right about O’Donnell:
She seems like a lovely person; cute, charming, supremely confident in her know-nothingness, gliding through life on adorableness and Jesus love and sincerity. And not much else. A review of her not-running-for-public-office work history doesn’t turn up much in the way of marketable skills other than the ability to parrot talking points, which, when you actually think about it, does kind of qualify her to be a US Senator. Or the business and economics editor for The Atlantic, for that matter. You look at her eyes when she’s asked a question off the beaten path and you don’t get the feeling that that is the sound of gears grinding away that you hear. More like the wind rustling through the willows and maybe a sad loon calling from across the lake.
When it comes to the misuse of campaign funds, I think O’Donnell sincerely believes that the people who gave her money to run for office gave it to her with the understanding that she is doing God’s work no matter how long it takes and a rent payment here and an evening of bowling there are just a place to stay and a thing to do during The Perpetual Campaign of Righteousness, for she is the embodiment of the contributors hopes and desires. They want her to use it as she sees fit.
Sure she’s making a living off of the yokels much like Sarah Palin does, but she lacks the white trash feral cynicism of a Palin. O’Donnell’s no Grifter Grizzly, she’s more Blanche Dubois; spiritually pure, lost in a fantasy and depending on the kindness of strangers.
I actually remember her on the old Bill Maher shows, and TBogg is right- she’s stupid, silly, pig-ignorant, and a true-believer, but I just don’t sense a malicious streak. Sure, the outcome of her policies would have a malicious impact on the American people, but I don’t think she understands that.
In savvier times, Christine O’Donnell would be the mark. She’d be the idiot spending all her days trying to convince grandma to sell all the silverware and the IBM stocks that grand-daddy left behind so that they can give the money to Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, because everyone knows they are doing the Lord’s work. These days, though, we’re such a stupid nation and one segment of our population is so thoroughly into the Jeebus was a Conservative kool-aid that Christine O’Donnell has moved from mark to become God’s Accidental Grifter.
mr. whipple
Beautiful.
General Stuck
But will she be too beautiful for prison.
The George Soros Supermax for fallen wingnut angels.
stuckinred
Nice, John.
gizmo
Christine O’Donnell and Sarah Palin appeal to a lot of people who find our modern world too complex and difficult to navigate. Those two women frame everything in simple terms that don’t require much in the way of soul-searching or intellectual exercise. Ignorance with confidence is a message that works well, and it is particularly suited to our sound-bite TV culture, because it can be dispensed in small, pithy doses between shampoo commercials.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I also remember her from the old ABC show, and I agree. Even I was taken aback the earnest fear she expressed when she talked about the mice with human brains.
Captain Haddock
She got on all the morning shows today to proclaim her innocence amid a staggering onslaught of the softest balls that could be pitched her way.
joe from Lowell
That’s it, exactly. This is not a mean person. This is not a phony. I’ll bet she walks out of room full of her passionate supporters and thinks, “Gosh, what a nice buncha folks!”
Omnes Omnibus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Brain is cute, but Pinky is rather terrifying. Poit!
stuckinred
The dude on CNN (I think) this morning kept asking her, “do you really think you should be talking about this in public like this? Do you have a lawyer”. She hadn’t a fucking clue.
The Republic of Stupidity
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Somehow, this begs for a comment about humans w/ mouse brains…
Steve
First, from some of the really nasty stuff she said about Mike Castle, there’s definitely evidence to suggest a mean streak if you want to look for it. Second, no one is stupid enough to think it’s okay to spend campaign donations on the rent money. If she were a guy, no one would ever believe either of these two things about her in a million years.
khead
I cop to really digging the snark here, but I must hesitate for just a moment to worry about our stupid nation.
Khead +3
Zifnab
I’m still amazed O’Donnell made it all the way through her Senate race without getting distracted and lost when she encountered something shiny.
beltane
Maybe there’s something to American Exceptionalism after all. The far-right in other developed countries is evil and sociopathic, but they are nowhere near as ignorant as ours. This level of stupidity is almost animal-like in nature.
And half the country is like this.
freelancer
This smacks of Dave Chappelle:
“Sorry, Officer, I didn’t know I couldn’t do that.”
Allan
@Steve: Cosign that. This is a woman who makes calculated use of the names of far more famous and important persons in an effort to lift herself up among them. She repeatedly intimated that Hillary Clinton was going to primary Obama, and brings up Joe Biden in her shotgun blast of a response today. Why? Because if you say something outrageous about someone famous, it makes you famous too.
eemom
I’m not usually one to start stupid wars about sexism (unless I’m bored, which I am) — but srsly, would you and TBogg extend such tenderhearted indulgence toward this opportunistic buffoon if she were a man?
I don’t think so.
And Blanche Dubois? Gimme a fucking break.
Maude
I love the phrase pig ignorant.
TuiMel
I don’t know from O’Donnell; she may be a true-believer, true-life Chance the Gardener. But this,
is the highly distilled essence of Sarah and her clan. If Palin did not exist, some pulp novelist would invent her (or maybe already has).
beltane
@gizmo: The people whom Sarah Palin and Christine O’Donnell appeal to would have found any era of human history too complex and confusing to deal with. They are not people who navigate through life; they are the oarsmen in the galleys. Instead of an overseer with a whip, they are prodded on by the hope that Blingee Jesus will reward them with 3-D TVs.
stuckinred
@eemom: What’s wrong with the Blanche Dubois comparison?
serge
She’s dabbling “into” bullshit, now. At least she’s not a witch.
parsimon
@Zifnab: Well, her handlers are terrible — witness the “I am not a witch” campaign piece — but one suspects that she doesn’t and never has had professional handlers. Palin has acquired some, but it seems she’s ornery about it all.
I gather that Palin is in the process of being disowned by the Republican establishment, which was pretty much predicted. O’Donnell was dropped nearly from moment one, and she is a mark to that extent.
freelancer
@beltane:
Is it too late for a COTY nomination?
Mike Kay (True Grit)
her word salad isn’t as bad as Palin’s. she almost makes sense.
the lack of full incoherence is a draw back in teabagger circles.
MattR
@eemom: I seem to remember similar discussions about GWB early in his presidency. There was some debate over whether he was dumb or mean until it became clear the answer was both.
suzanne
I completely concur. She’s dumber than a box of rocks. Not evil. Just… DUMB.
And except for the brief excitement over her “sexy ladybug” (Is there really such a thing? *That’s* a fetish for the ages.) Halloween costume and the fact that she has a bush, I was actually surprised that the attacks on her weren’t *more* sexist.
eemom
@stuckinred:
Blanche Dubois never aspired to be a U.S. Senator.
slag
I don’t know. Is this the part where Christine O’Donnell goes on teevee and tells people: “I’m not a rhymes-with-witch”?
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@eemom:
to be fair, they support glenn. so there’s that.
stuckinred
@suzanne: You sure she has a. . .
Redshirt
Some wonderful turns of phrases in this post. Thanks! Nice writing is such a pleasure to read, since it can be so unpredictable.
Since there’s been some perhaps warranted accusations of reverse-anti-sexism (??) here – going softer on a woman than a man in an identical situation – I wonder if there are any male equivalents of O’Donnell, and/or Palin?
Quayle? One of them Kennedys? I’m straining to name an example. Perhaps that’s sexism too, or the by product of a sexist society.
eemom
@MattR:
Missing the point entirely.
Nobody EVER said, in essence, “aw, he’s just a sweet clueless cutie. Don’t let’s pick on him, you meanies” about Bush.
parsimon
@Redshirt: I went through the same thought process, and came up with Quayle at a first pass. But we’d need someone who lost his House or Senate race, but is still in the spotlight from time to time.
Maybe Alvin Greene?
The fact is that O’Donnell got as much attention as she did in part because she’s female, and in part because she was backed by Palin.
Joe Miller?
Zifnab
@parsimon:
Her latest book was a dud, but she’s still got a lot of media pull. I have no doubt that Sarah Palin’s endorsement will be a big turning point in the 2012 primary. Beyond that, she’s just playing the Gingrich game now. Wink and smile and ask for some money for an exploratory committee or a working group or some other political nonsense. Then prattle away on speaking tours about what she would do if she were President.
stuckinred
Chauncey Gardner?
Mnemosyne
Whenever someone talks about ignorance as though it’s some kind of defense, I always think of this speech from Black Beauty.
Ignorance may work as an explanation, but it sure as hell isn’t an excuse.
John Cole
@eemom: I never said don’t pick on her. I said she’s stupid enough to not know how many laws she probably broke.
Which for some insane reason you’ve decided is high praise, enough to launch a charge of reverse-sexism because I’m being too “soft.”
I didn’t even mention Israel.
majii
I don’t think that anyone, male or female, should get upset when he/she reveals that he/she is not very ready for political prime-time. I would expect them to take some time for self-examination and work to learn something and change the image. It’s not the fault of others if a male/female comes across as having half-baked ideas. The blame has to be placed on the offender, and anyone who says crazy stuff deserves all of the condemnation and ridicule he/she gets. McDonnell threw her own hat in the political ring.
O’Donnell was the conductor, and her supporters were the passengers. The train wrecked. I’m an observer, and I say she’s to blame for the predicament she now finds herself in. I’ve got enough of my own problems to worry about Christine’s. Her lesson should be: don’t try driving a train if you haven’t been trained to do so, and yes, I’m laughing at her, enjoying it, and hoping that she decides not to run for another political office for the rest of her life. I also abhor anyone who uses Christianity to further his/her own personal/political goals.
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@gizmo: this.
parsimon
@Zifnab:
Right. I meant that she’s being dissed as a serious candidate for the Presidency (or Republican nomination) herself. Which was pretty much predicted: she’d be a disaster for the party, so the right-wing noise machine was going to start sounding sour notes about her at some point, and it seems as though they’ve started.
stuckinred
@majii: She thinks Christianity is using her.
KSinMA
@suzanne: Dumb like a fox?
General Stuck
@John Cole:
Well, I for one plan to go soft on Christine, lest she turn me into a frog.
MattR
@General Stuck: When I see Christine, no part of me goes soft.
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@KSinMA:
I don’t find her attractive. not at all.
cathyx
@Mike Kay (True Grit): Some men prefer stupid women.
parsimon
@Mike Kay (True Grit):
Totally. I don’t find Joe Miller attractive either, not at all.
Next?
General Stuck
@MattR:
Wingnut barbie dolls don’t do it for me.
They have to have crazy evil eyes
JGabriel
John Cole:
I didn’t sense a malicious streak in O’Donnell’s Maher appearances either, but there sure as hell was a mean streak in her underhanded accusations of Castle’s and Coons’ “unmanliness” during the primary and general campaigns.
.
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@cathyx: ooooh. I didn’t think of that. Of course. that explains hamsher’s groupies.
Will
@eemom:
Dan Quayle comes to mind. Always seemed a nice enough guy, and the gentle breeze drifting between his ears was probably cooling on a hot day.
MattR
@General Stuck: I am not going to let a minor detail like that stop me from making a play on words.
cleek
@John Cole:
fuck Israel.
Montysano
When Tbogg is on his game, few can touch him.
Raenelle
That so explains why she was never generally accepted by the Palinites. She could never generate the amount of seething resentment with which they identify. She said the right things; she had the right enemies. But she was never truly one of them. Being psychotic and bone ignorant was not enough. You also have to be a sociopath–kill ’em all and let God sort ’em out mentality; you’re either part of the problem or part of the solution; in war, there are no innocent bystanders; you’re either on the guest list or on the menu; fuck ’em all but six and use them for pall bearers. She wasn’t vicious that way, and the Teabaggers knew it. I never understood why she wasn’t embraced by them; this completely explains it.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@eemom: I don’t think its so much that she’s a cutie, it’s more like she’s the equivalent of the rent-is-too-damn-high guy who stumbled into an endorsement from a Beltway-approved halfwit.
Will
I loved that anecdote, partly because it seemed to fit her so well.
Something about her seems exactly like the kind of girl that needs to be watched over by her friends when she drinks, lest they turn around and she’s gone and accidentally slept with someone she just met….not out of sluttiness, but just out of drinkiness. Ooops! What was your name again? Did we have sex last night? Really? Oh no! How does this keep happening?
kdaug
Ain’t gotta be an asshole to be an idiot.
(Late to the party, I’ll read up).
Gus
Nice posts from both TBogg and John. Well written and captured O’Donnell perfectly as far as I can see.
BruceFromOhio
May I welcome you to the 112th Congress of The United States of America.
geg6
@stuckinred:
I watched the same interview (definitely CNN) and that anchor dude seemed a bit taken aback by her craziness and lack of legal help. Mainly because she didn’t have a clue why he asked the question (over and over) or that anything she said might be problematic from a legal perspective. He first asked the question after her answer to his question about her townhouse rent being paid with campaign funds. She basically admitted it and went into some convoluted explanation about how it was campaign headquarters or something. That’s when he asked if she had gotten legal advice before appearing. The prosecutor is cackling with glee. She really is a stupid one this one.
And Cole? You are a man and I’ll forgive your stupidity here on that basis. O’Donnell is, yes, a true believer and every bit as dumb as she is crazy. But the idea that she doesn’t have a mean bone in her body, poor thing, is a con only a man could buy. She’s every bit as mean as Sarah Barracuda. She just doesn’t have the right mentors (because she’s truly crazy and they know it), she isn’t nearly as sly and calculating as Palin, but she’s said a lot of horrible mean things about a lot of people. She just doesn’t come off like the mean girl ballbuster that Palin does, but she is and you have fallen for it. Men. Suckers, the lot of you.
Mr Stagger Lee
@parsimon: Until I truly see Palin out for the count, I think she will get the nomination, her tea-party base will fry any Republican establishment push back, even Rush Limbaugh will have retribution if he rips the Hockey Mom, because Glenn Beck will back her in his attempt to supplant Limbaugh as the #1 talker. Palin has the anti-Kryptonite the more mud thrown at her more she becomes snow white to the idiot American base.
stuckinred
@geg6: I agree with you, she’d crush you like a bug if she got the chance.
snarkyspice
@majii:
Exactly.
Her insinuations about every male opponent being gay, and the implication that there was something wrong with that, were not ‘cute.’ They were the calculated words of a bitch. An idiot sure, but also a bitch. Man, it is easy to pull the wool over mens’ eyes.
cleek
@geg6:
sexist!11!
BruceFromOhio
@eemom: ROFL.
No shit.
eemom
@John Cole:
not entirely sure where that came from…..but if you said it for the reason I think you did, you’re an asshole on the level of some of the most assholic of your commenters.
joe from Lowell
@General Stuck:
I hear you. Michelle Bachman, for instance, looks like she’d be a tiger in the sack.
stuckinred
@joe from Lowell: with a strapon
John Cole
@eemom: I said it, because normally when you get malicious (as when you are leveling unfounded charges of sexism), it is normally when Israel is the topic.
I called her an idiot, as well as “stupid, silly, pig-ignorant,” and you accuse me of “tenderhearted indulgence” based on sexism? And I’m the asshole? What exactly do I need to do to “treat her like I would a man?” Could you hand me the verbiage?
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@cleek: exactly. why I remember only 2 years ago when a number of bloggers flocked to support edwards because he was so cute. remember how they would go on and on about him being a good family man. heh!
BruceFromOhio
@General Stuck: They have to have crazy evil eyes.
Ah, a Bachmann man. ^ .. raises glass ..^
stuckinred
Ya’ll know about this maniac Andy Martin, Birther King running for Prez? He used to be Anthony R Martin-Trigona, a maniac landlord in Champaign Urbana in the 70’s.
cleek
@Mike Kay (True Grit):
well…. there was supposed to be a (sarcastic) dozen “!”s after that… but, FYWP.
personally, i don’t see any sexism here, and don’t care to start turning over rocks to find any. fuck that.
General Stuck
@BruceFromOhio:
Give the man a cigar
parsimon
@geg6: This is basically the theory that she’s a Heather.
Though I’m honestly not sure why we need a theory of Christine O’Donnell at this point: the Republican party let the tea party / Sarah Palin direct things, to its detriment. O’Donnell’s dumb cutiepie nature didn’t cut it.
Kuvasz
We are now awash with a multitude of C-minus students who no longer have the yoke of teachers telling them that they are wrong. So what we get are George W Bush, Sarah Palin, and Christine O’Donnell essentially speaking in tongues as they try to describe the real world.
Let me put it this way, regardless of having inherited a hounddog gene from both parents, Ms O’Donnell is too stupid for even me to want to fuck. ‘Fraid the stupid would wear off.
Gin & Tonic
@joe from Lowell: Uh, no, not to me, anyway. She looks like she’d bite your dick off and cackle with glee. And, strangely, that doesn’t turn me on.
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@eemom:
Hello! This a big reason why we like Cole.
Dennis G.
is a beautiful line. Thanks for that.
Cheers
Maude
@eemom:
We are not assholes, we are jackasses.
stuckinred
Barn burner Music City Bowl comin down the stretch!
General Stuck
@Maude:
And some of us are both, give or take
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Maude: can we compromise on jack-a-holes, or would that be selling out?
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@cleek: I don’t think I’ve ever posted a comment that wasn’t sarcastic. including this one.
MattR
@stuckinred: He had his ability to file federal lawsuits severely limited due to the number of frivilous, vindictive and sometimes anti-semitic lawuits he was filing. Wikipedia also includes this gem
EDIT: I thought we were dickheads. (Or cudlips)
Will
@ Kuvasz
Hell, sometimes the dumber the better. There’s a picture of her somewhere with her mouth open in an ‘O’ shape, that makes her look kind of like a blow-up doll.
lol
@joe from Lowell:
Katherine Harris.
stuckinred
@MattR: He screwed a bunch of people I knew that rented from him. Some of us that were just as crazy had a few run ins with him and he wanted no part of it.
Montysano
@geg6:
This may help explain things.
mr. whipple
Maybe, but I’d sure as hell tell her my name is Stuck and hide the bunnies, just to be on the safe side.
cleek
@Mike Kay (True Grit):
i must admit, my incoming sarcasm detector is being impaired by the big bottle of Dragon’s Milk i’ve been sippin on, lo these past few half-hours.
eemom
@John Cole:
yes, you’re the asshole. Because Israel has nothing the fuck to do with this, and unless you’ve conducted some kind of in-depth analysis of my many comments on your stupid blog, the statement that “normally when [I] get malicious . . . it is normally [sic] when Israel is the topic” is a type of selective, gratuitous obnoxiousness that I don’t think I’ve ever seen you direct at anyone else, no matter how “malicious” their comments.
And calling me “malicious” for calling out sexism, even if you don’t agree with it — especially given the level of insult that is the accepted norm here short of using the word “c**t” — is a whole ‘nother species of gratuitous assholery in a class of its very own.
Mr Stagger Lee
@stuckinred: And Stanford seems to have Connecticut’s number but that Husky team is tenacious. Flipping back and forth on the games.
FoxinSocks
Wanted to join in w/ @Steve, @Allan, @JGabriel and anyone else I missed. This is a woman who will smear an opponent for being gay faster than a pro-lifer can hug a fetus. That empty space between her ears? She’s not dumb, she’s just a true believer, and she doesn’t have much need for critical thought.
As a true believer, she can misuse campaign funds because she knows her cause is right. As a true believer, she won’t hesitate to smear her opponents, to lie, to steal, and remember, her ultimate goal is to deny whole segments of the population basic human rights. If that’s not malicious, I don’t know what is.
mr. whipple
Fight! Fight!!
joe from Lowell
@Gin & Tonic: A tiger.
I’ve got three words:
Frustrated.
Glossolalia.
Finger-nails.
stuckinred
@Mr Stagger Lee: God I hate women’s hoop. I know, it’s the way the game was meant to be played. Too many years running women’s softball I guess. I’m happy they play but I can’t watch it.
BruceFromOhio
@Kuvasz:
I think here is where the rubber meets the road. How much conservative cash is rolling around out there, looking for a place to nest? And what better place to invest than in dull-minded fools who are willing to take the incoming fire, not just mindlessly, but willingly? For every Christine O’Donnell, how many like-minded Republicans will be sitting in the House next year?
“God’s Accidental Grifter” has no fucking clue who he or she is grifting for, making people like O’Donnell and Miller money magnets for the real con men.
eemom, I hear you – if Christine looked like Newt, it would be a different conversation, or at least different adjectives. News flash – both come from the same family of grifting, just different orders. And ole Newties’ been at it longer.
Fucking Republicans.
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@eemom: I smell lawsuit.
MattR
@eemom: I’m sorry. I know its juvenille. But I can’t resist.
slag
What a friggin trainwreck this thread has turned into. At this point, I’m trying to decide if people are just parodying themselves. Or has the stupid become just so contagious?
John Cole
@eemom: I haven’t done any analysis other than my own observation, which is that you are at your worst when Israel is the topic.
And you continue to claim we are being sexist for apparently being too soft on her when all we did was rip her a new one for her idiocy, and still have not told me what I would have to have said about her for it to pass your sexism test.
You may not take charges of sexism seriously, but I do, and unfounded accusations of sexism piss me off. The only other person I know of to call me a sexist is Jane, and that pissed me off too. So fill me in on what I would have to say in order for it to pass muster as non-sexist, or enjoy the company you keep.
And damnit, I’m sick and tired of having to clean up c-bombs.
geg6
@Mike Kay (True Grit):
WTF? I am not sure what John Edwards has to do with anything here, but I, at least, was never an Edwards supporter and never saw any bloggers who supported him on the basis of his family as opposed to his policies. YMMV.
eemom
oh, goodie. Now we’re back in “would I want to fuck her or not” land.
Yes, there were MANY conversations like that among women about GWB and Dan Quayle.
Nope, nothing sexist about this line of inquiry, nothing at all. Nothing to see here, ladies, just move on…..
stuckinred
@slag: Let’s go back to arguing about the Big 10 and the SEC!
Mike in NC
Re: failed grifter candidates. I saw on the local news last night that Ilario “Psycho” Pantano — the Iraq war criminal that lost his bid to be Congressman in my district — is tens of thousands in debt and has been going around for the past several weeks asking teabaggers to pony up so he can pay his bills and make another run again in two years. The balls on that dirtbag…
General Stuck
@mr. whipple:
That wouldn’t save you. And when the female black widow chooses to eat the smaller male after mating, if your time is up, then your time is up.
BruceFromOhio
@mr. whipple:
Maybe, but I’d sure as hell tell her my name is Stuck and hide the bunnies, just to be on the safe side.
Man, this thread is on a roll.
stuckinred
@eemom: That’s no lady. . .
Mr Stagger Lee
@stuckinred: Watching to see if the Husky’s 90 game streak ends, but I am waiting to see the other Huskies play Nebraska, hope it won’t be too much of a slaughter like the last time.
stuckinred
@Mr Stagger Lee: I hear ya!
BruceFromOhio
@eemom:
Yup, definitely on a roll.
Ken Pidcock
I know that defending Megan doesn’t go over well in these parts, but I insist on doing so, anyway. There is a difference between an idiot and someone with with a formidable intellect who chooses to defend idiocy.
stuckinred
Hey, maybe the ladies can go up to the food thread! :)
General Stuck
@eemom:
I agree, there should have been more of these. It wouldn’t be sexism, nauseating, maybe, but not sexist.
slag
@stuckinred: Sure. I, for one, stand firm in the opinion that the Securities and Exchange Commission should get out of football altogether.
Maude
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I’d feel honored to have that moniker.
Will
@eemom:
If she looked like Bush or Quayle, we wouldn’t be having those conversations either.
stuckinred
Incredibly stupid play by a Vols corner!
mr. whipple
@stuckinred:
Oh man.
parsimon
Well, look. The people talking about whether they’d like to fuck Michelle Bachmann or Christine O’Donnell aren’t helping. It’s seriously obnoxious, and I realize it’s supposed to be a joke, but it’s unfunny.
As for whether Cole’s characterization of O’Donnell is soft-hearted, the terminology (“stupid, silly, pig-ignorant”) sounds forgiving insofar as it’s not condemnatory. He doesn’t say that she’s ‘a fucking idiot asshole’, for example. However! It’s the kind of thing you might say about, oh, Alvin Greene. They’re both simpletons.
eemom
Without knowing what you mean by “worst,” I’ll venture a guess that your perception of my worseness on that subject is my reaction to the fact that you are at your worst of a knee-jerk party liner when that topic comes up — just as you evidently were for years and years when your knees jerked in the opposite direction.
And I do not take accusations of sexism lightly either. One of the many things I despise about Hamsher is her constant, pathetic exploitation of that card when she’s got no others in her hand.
Just show me a place where you’ve ever said anything remotely like this
about a man. And surely that can’t be because there aren’t plenty of men just as stupid as O’Donnell among her fellow teatards and republicans.
Mike Kay (True Grit)
Hey, you guys.
wait up.
I just made a fresh bowl of popcorn.
stuckinred
@parsimon: Aren’t helping what? It’s a stupid fucking blog. Who cares?
joe from Lowell
I didn’t realize I was supposed to be “helping.”
“Helping” what, I wonder?
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@eemom:
for us none readers, when does she pull that crap??
General Stuck
@eemom:
We menfolk just can’t help it much, what with a big brain and the little brain always quarreling with each other, nothing much smart comes from that. I agree that Cole playing the Israel card was a cheap shot though
John Cole
@eemom: I don’t think I’ve ever said that about anyone. The only people as dumb as her are Palin, Steve King, Sharron Angle, Joe Miller, Joe the not-Plumber and Bachman, and they all have a mean streak a mile wide.
So tell me again how this was sexist? I mean, maybe I am wrong and she does have a mean streak, but how the fuck do you get off calling me sexist for those remarks?
Not sure what party you are referring to, because the Democratic party line is complete deference to Israel.
John Cole, party of one!
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@stuckinred: hahahahahahahahahahahahh
at the very least, they can get the men some beer.
cleek
smells like someone’s cookin pie
stuckinred
A clusterfuck is afoot in Nashville!
parsimon
@stuckinred: Oh. Well, I seem to have become worried there, for a bit. Even though I know you’re all pretend internet people, your words are heard. I tend to think that discussing the fuckability of female politicians has an impact. YMMV.
Evolved Deep Southerner
@stuckinred: Ain’t this the God-damndest mess you ever saw?
Evolved Deep Southerner
@Evolved Deep Southerner: The game, I’m talking about.
stuckinred
@parsimon: OK, I’m sorry someone else said what they said.
Evolved Deep Southerner
Oh, hell, it just got a helluva lot messier.
stuckinred
@Evolved Deep Southerner: For this to happen to the Vols again is going to cause serious hysteria.
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@parsimon: but I don’t of any female politician who’s fuckable.
I think the people who have a crush on palin simply don’t know many women.
cathyx
@parsimon: I think that the fact that we don’t talk about the fuckability of male politicians is because there aren’t any worthy of it.
Evolved Deep Southerner
Sung to the Tarheels fight song:
“Over hills and over ditches,
There’s a place that’s not so swell,
It is called North Carolina,
Go you Tarheels, go to hell
HEY
Pissoncarolina,
Pissoncarolina …”
OVERTIME, baby.
Fuck Christine O’Donnell.
parsimon
@joe from Lowell:Helping to dispel any notion that there’s sexism afoot.
stuckinred
@Evolved Deep Southerner: Not that fond of the Vols either. Having seen Derek play in high school makes me like them a bit better but not much.
parsimon
@cathyx: There’s Obama. But it would be uncouth in the extreme to discuss it. I’m more interested in his policies and execution of same, anyway.
eemom
@John Cole:
1. That is a pure evasion of what I said. Look at these words:
Just look at those words — and tell us honestly, with a straight face, that you would ever make an observation like that about a man.
I submit that It would never even OCCUR to you to ask whether a stupid, pig-ignorant man who would have fucked us all over had he been elected to the U.S. Senate, had a “malicious streak” or not. What the fuck difference does that make?
Shit, maybe John Boener doesn’t have a mean streak either! Look how he gets all weepy all the time!
And that’s not even getting into the presumption of a statement like “I don’t think she understands that.” Really? Have you tested her I.Q.?
Evolved Deep Southerner
@stuckinred: Nah, I think he got ALL the crazy from his seeing-visions-of-the-Virgin momma. You can see it in his crazy eyes. Especially now.
celticdragonchick
My God. Devastating.
stuckinred
@Evolved Deep Southerner: You know she’s Arab?
He ought to be crazy with how stupid his d-backs are.
Mike Kay (True Grit)
all time great pie/blog fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW3WWCXDT_0
cleek
@cathyx:
well, somebody thought this guy was kinda hot.
cathyx
@parsimon: Obama doesn’t do it for me. Now if George Clooney were to run for office…..
MTiffany
That part of the qoute gave me an “Ah-ha!” moment. But usually an “Ah-ha!” moment lifts the spirit, whereas this one chilled my very soul.
The fact that Christine O’Donnell and others like her can and do glide through life in this country based on nothing more than proudly declaring and living by the credo “I don’t have to believe anything that contradicts what I believe the Bible says about the world” is proof that this really is a Christian nation.
cathyx
@cleek: Maybe 20 years ago, but now?
celticdragonchick
@eemom:
…is both easy and accurate. I gotta back John with this one.
parsimon
@cathyx: I admit that I’d have trouble looking away from Clooney; then again, he’s not a dumb-ass, so that helps quite a lot.
Scott Brown is teh ick.
cleek
@eemom:
i’ve always thought W’s problem was mostly ignorance/stupidity. i never thought he was EVIL! – just uninterested in learning, easily-swayed, a good bullshitter, and narcissistic enough to think that determination was good enough.
(i realize that’s an unpopular position around here. but hey, i’m a rebel)
sexist!
stuckinred
@stuckinred: Lebanse
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@cathyx: sexist.
Evolved Deep Southerner
@stuckinred: So is Nikki Haley. But unlike Barbara, she WON her foray into state politics.
Meanwhile, this game’s still still a clusterfuck that could last forever.
eemom
@John Cole:
2.
Please. You know just what party I’m referring to — the party of “I’m a cool leftwing blogger, therefore Israel sucks.”
I’ll admit though, that it’s not only with respect to Israel that you mindlessly toe the party line.
“Rape accusations against Assange! Evil cover up!! CIA smear campaign!! Braaaawwwk!”
Evolved Deep Southerner
@stuckinred: So is Nikki Haley. But unlike Barbara, she WON her foray into state politics.
Meanwhile, this game’s still still a clusterfuck that could last forever.
Montysano
@eemom:
You’re pretty far out on a limb here.
stuckinred
@Evolved Deep Southerner: You got something better to do?
John Cole
I can. If there is ever a Chauncey Gardiner running that is the male version of O’Donnell, I probably will.
My god, your argument boils down to “I wasn’t mean enough to her for your tastes because I’m sexist” when I thought I was pretty damned awful to her, and just thought she didn’t have a mean streak but is a blithering idiot, wholly incompetent, and ignorant. You are also completely avoiding the fact that when discussing women I do consider having a mean streak, like Bachmann, Palin, or back in the 2008 campaign, Hillary, I unload to your satisfaction. Wouldn’t that in and of itself prove that my comments are matched to the occasion and the individual, and not guided by sexism? Or are you making up the rules for sexism these days?
And incidentally, when I am sufficiently rude to your tastes to people like Palin and Bachmann, wingnuts call me sexist.
I’m done with this idiotic thread. Next time I write about O’Donnell I will let you preview it so that I can be sure I am sufficiently mean to her and therefor not sexist.
MTiffany
Actually I think she’d be Pat Robertson’s CBN equivalent of 30 Rock’s Kenneth the page.
eemom
@celticdragonchick:
I’m devastated.
I mean, it’s not like you’re a single-issue simpleton for whose opinion I have 0 regard, or anything.
celticdragonchick
@geg6:
This.
stuckinred
@John Cole: Idiotic thread? I thought it was a Music City Bowl thread!
parsimon
Oh for fuck’s sake. Israel? Apparently Cole knows which of eemom’s buttons to push.
John Cole
@eemom:
Thank you for proving my point about your malicious tendencies when the topic of Israel comes up. My position on Israel is not that it sucks, but that it is a nation, and like any other nation, flawed, and that Israel sometimes does awful things. Just like the United States! And when Israel does something I think is wrong, I say so.
BTW- make sure you keep me informed as to whether I am being sufficiently rude to you so as to avoid a charge of sexism.
Could you show me where I said that? Because I didn’t. BTW- Right now I am gonna call you an asshole so my sexism doesn’t show. Asshole.
stuckinred
@parsimon: Now let’s watch our language, people are reading this.
Evolved Deep Southerner
@stuckinred: Man, that cocky-ass Vols QB needed to be brought down to earth. And there … it IS!
joe from Lowell
@cleek:
Friggin’ Massachusetts. John-John dies, the rest of his generation finally gets old enough to be ugly, and then that asshole shows up.
stuckinred
@Evolved Deep Southerner: Call Manning now and ask him what he thinks!
alwhite
@parsimon:
2 things:
DumbellU got this same discussion and he was not nearly as ditsy as O’D.
Weak minds find ditsy girls attractive. Maybe it brings out the protective instinct or maybe they think it indicates honest goodness (too stupid to lie). I don’t think a guy could pull off this ‘dumb blond’ routine. That may indicate a sexist society (I could debate either side of that) but discussing if the ditsy is really that stupid or just playing is not sexist.
Evolved Deep Southerner
@eemom: Well what did you think about the end of the Music City Bowl?
celticdragonchick
@eemom:
And it isn’t like I think you are a pretentious, preening fool with delusions of competency on subjects that you are painfully lacking knowledge of.
Good to see we understand each other.
hamletta
No one ever discusses the fuckability of male politicians? On what planet?
One of the reasons Poppy Bush picked Quayle was his slight resemblance to Robert Redford, which was sure to attract the wimmens.
I remember reading articles about women swooning over W, and I remember diaries at Kos about who was the dreamiest Dem in the country (I think Martin O’Malley won).
There was a whole Web site devoted to Howard Dean’s pulchitrude, replete with shirtless pix of his teenage self.
Yeah, all that talk is just about women.
cathyx
@Mike Kay (True Grit): Am I a sexist because I think men are more attractive to me than women? Sorry for being heterosexual.
MTiffany
@Evolved Deep Southerner: But Gov-elect. Haley is a convert to Jeebus, even though she started out life as a Sikh, so the not-being-White part doesn’t matter.
alwhite
@General Stuck:
“She turned me into a newt!”
“Well, I got better”
stuckinred
@Evolved Deep Southerner: Did you just edit that?
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@stuckinred:
isn’t he in the brig in Quantico?
cathyx
@hamletta: Don’t forget Bush’s codpiece. Except I think more men than women talked about that. I guess they were envious.
stuckinred
@MTiffany: Barbara is Lebanese and proly a whaddaya call it, phalanderer?
Evolved Deep Southerner
@MTiffany: And Barbara Dooley saw visions of the Virgin Mary out in some pasture. What’s your point?
joe from Lowell
@hamletta:
I remember that.
I really took a bath betting on Mark Penn.
cleek
LIDDY: Well, I — in the first place, I think it’s envy. I mean, after all, Al Gore had to go get some woman to tell him how to be a man. And here comes George Bush. You know, he’s in his flight suit, he’s striding across the deck, and he’s wearing his parachute harness, you know — and I’ve worn those because I parachute — and it makes the best of his manly characteristic. You go run those — run that stuff again of him walking across there with the parachute. He has just won every woman’s vote in the United States of America. You know, all those women who say size doesn’t count — they’re all liars. Check that out.
parsimon
@stuckinred: There’s language and there’s content. I didn’t say, for example, that Israel looks like it would be a tiger in the sack, with its crazy mean eyes.
mr. whipple
This thread reminds me of this.
stuckinred
@Mike Kay (True Grit): You’re killin me over here!
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@cathyx: no you’re sexist for treatin us like pieces of meat. sniffle.
Mr Stagger Lee
OMG Stanford is going to break Connecticut’s 90 game win streak. Cool end to the Music City Bowl.
joe from Lowell
@cathyx:
Kathryn Jean Lopez’s one-handed typing at the Corner on Flight Suit Day was one of the funniest moments in the history of the internet.
celticdragonchick
@joe from Lowell:
Well deserved, I must say. ;)
stuckinred
@parsimon: parsimonious
I must say
hamletta
@eemom: Wow! What a charmer you are!
stuckinred
@Mr Stagger Lee: OK, I’ll watch it.
celticdragonchick
@joe from Lowell:
Joe “Starbursts” Lowry’s ejaculation over Palin’s GOP convntion speech is still better.
Mike Kay (True Grit)
can’t we all just get along
mr. whipple
OMG, Rice. Hoped I never have to see her again.
cleek
@Mike Kay (True Grit):
no
MTiffany
@Evolved Deep Southerner: Oops, replied to wrong person. My bad.
hamletta
@cleek: How is G. Gordon Liddy not talking about Junior’s fuckability there?
In a manly, heterosexual way, I mean.
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@mr. whipple: dude, I feel for ya. No one could have foreseen Rice popping up on a sportscast.
hamletta
Ha!
/Tweety.
Gin & Tonic
@hamletta: Oh, come on, look at Gordo. You’ve never thought he was a little light in the loafers?
stuckinred
Football thread upstream NOW??
Odie Hugh Manatee
I think O’Donnell figured that her running for office was a ‘job’ that she could pay herself with from the ‘proceeds’. It’s the entitled mindset that comes to a conclusion like that. They figure that they exist therefore they have a right to whatever they can do and get their hands on.
Just because they are so great and exceptional, much more so than anyone else!
Back in the early 80’s I worked for a real jerk of a conservative and his brother in their small business. These guys philosophy was “possession is 9/10ths of the law”, arguing that if you want something then you just go ahead and take it for yourself until someone stops you. If no one stops you then you were obviously right. If someone tries to stop you then you fight tooth and nail to keep it. If you lose you take your lumps and move on. Sadly, it works.
Both brothers were sad sopped drunks, each putting away a fifth of gin a day regularly, sometimes more if they were fighting (which was quite often). They kept two sets of books for the business and I when I learned about them (inadvertently) they told me that their business would fail if they ever had to pay taxes on the actual income of the place. I won’t go in to more detail about it but after that I pretty much knew everything in those books. I didn’t know, or try to figure out, if their claim was true but I was given a significant pay raise afterward and I really needed the money at the time so I shut my mouth.
Frequently their wives would run off to Las Vegas or southern California (they were originally from there), taking every penny the business had in cash on hand (which was often 10 grand or more) and heading off to party under the guise of having brawled with their husbands. The brothers would take off to get them, leaving me to run the business (which I really did even when they were ‘there’) for a week or two, handing them a huge wad of cash upon their return. I never made bank deposits but I handled all of the cash, receipts and the accounting of them so I know what was coming in. I also saw both sets of books and knew the differences, which were quite considerable.
One day I showed up for work and found out I couldn’t. They had sold the business (the new owners were leveling the place for another use) and left town without telling me. I later learned where they went (they retired to a small town in the same state) but I never bothered contacting them. I had plenty of money saved so I just moved on to the next good thing (college).
Funny thing though, they were Jehovah’s Witnesses. No joke. Conservative as all fuck but batshit crazy as hell and committed to the church as all get out. For all of their money I sure as hell wouldn’t have wanted their lives, they were well off and miserable as hell. Still, I would say they walked away from life (both have since passed on) having done quite well with their “possession is 9/10ths of the law” philosophy.
It seems to work elsewhere in conservative circles quite well too. Quite the philosophy.
catclub
@Redshirt:
Scott Brown leaps to mind. But he very clearly has professional handlers now. And follows their advice.
parsimon
@alwhite:
I didn’t say it was.
parsimon
@stuckinred: I try, without much success.
Chuck Butcher
Ummmmm, Palin snarls and spits while ODonnell soft speaks (little girl voice?) but word content is what counts and she’s a mean shit.
eeeeeekmom, what the hell is there supposed to be to her other than some bizzare Christianity and “good looks”? If I heard heard anymore of how “manly” GWB looked in his flight suit I’d puke. Oh yeah, Al Gore is fat. You may not like the fact that physical appearance matters in politics but it does and that is just that. Now I don’t want to fuck GWB, Palin, ODonnell or the damn snow man down the street or Obama or Biden.
I might think John Cole mistook tone for substance on the malicious score but I’d scarcely accuse him of soft pedalling on basis of sex. Using Israel to piss in your Cheerios does have some basis … but then I do think theocracies are real prone to making serious errors.
Bella Q
@joe from Lowell:
FTFY
Christine O’Donnell is dumber than a bag of hammers, and so stupid she has no idea just how lost she is. Witness CNN interview, or that painful (to watch) debate with Coons where she asks him “you’re telling me separation of church and state is in the First Amendment” while rolling her eyes as if a man who’s actually taken a constitutional law class knows less about this than she does.
She’s shown a mean streak – as noted above she makes “gay” insinuations about most men who oppose her, except Biden and he’s tapping her phones and throwing FBI heat at her. As if. She’s plenty mean, but she’s so goddamned dumb she can’t even do it very well. She’s not dumb like a fox – there’s not that much planning there. She’s just DUMB.
alwhite
@eemom:
I know I have had exactly that conversation about Boy Blunder many times – is he really just stupid or is he really evil. I think one of the reasons so much evil was done by his admin was that many people saw that same ‘aw shucks’ stupidity as a sign he was a nice guy just not that bright.
So yes, we have had this conversation about men.
eemom
@John Cole:
1. You absolutely did say the essence of that, when the rape accusations against Assange came out last summer. Without missing a beat. And reiterated it thereafter. And if you don’t believe it, I’m sure your archives are more accessible to you than they are to me.
I eagerly await a link to where you — similar to your hero Glennzilla — ever said anything along the lines of “Regardless of anyone’s opinions of Assange and Wikileaks, an accusation of rape is a serious matter to be resolved pursuant to the applicable law — and no one should EVER attack the accuser, or question her motives, any more than they should assume the guilt of the accused.”
2. Seriously? You are calling little old me an “asshole”?? I am honored! Thought it was only Fuckhead who got that kinda love.
lol
@Mike Kay (True Grit):
Whenever she’s not playing the Cancer Card.
MBL
@eemom:
Ronald Reagan.
ogliberal
@joe from Lowell:
And that may be the funniest blog comment I’ve ever read. As a reminder, here is K-Lo on the day in question:
She fucking called it the fucking “immaculate landing”. My sweet fucking lord. I only hope the Mittster doesn’t read this…he may get jealous. And did Kathryn Jean disclose these impure thoughts to her priest during weekly confession?
parsimon
I don’t follow this blog closely enough to know what Cole said about the Assange rape charges. Is there anything to what eemom says?
alwhite
@parsimon:
Sorry, I was clicking on reply but really just expanding on the thread you were part of – I was not disagreeing with you at all.
ogliberal
@celticdragonchick: A tie. A clear tie.
Here’s disgusting thought for you. K-Lo and Lowry sitting in NR’s Sodom on the Hudson-based office arguing about who is the sexiest – flight suit-era GWB, Mitt Romney, or Sarah Palin – and then breaking into a sexy makeout session.
ogliberal
@ogliberal: With Jonah watching.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@ogliberal:
I’ll never forget Tweety’s ‘look at the onions on him!’ comment when he was strutting his flighty self across the flight deck in his codpiece-stuffed flight suit.
/wretch
That was a fine moment in opinion journalism.
Mike Kay (True Grit)
@lol: a couple of weeks ago Angry Black Female said she wants to shoot her tee vee everytime she sees Jane’s botox face, and Hanoi Jane immediately played the cancer card.
Lesley
O’Donnell’s no more religious than I am and I’m not religious. She milked the wingnut cow for as long as she could to raise funds for her life; and because she’s not a competent grifter, she’s being investigated.
Her past is littered with this bullshit.
If she’s found guilty, she should pay the consequences.
eemom
And for the rest of y’all, to set the record straight, this
is NOT the equivalent of discussions about GWB or Ronald Reagan being “evil or just stupid.” The overall concept is similar — but look at the words, and the condescending attitude they express.
I “just don’t sense a malicious streak” in Bush/Reagan?
“I don’t think” Bush/Reagan “understands” what the outcome of his policies would be? Really??
And to get back to TBogg’s “has this right” thesis: Bush/Reagan shouldn’t be blamed for misappropriating campaign funds because they were “spiritually pure, lost in a fantasy, and dependent on the kindness of strangers”??
OMFG, people.
John Cole
@eemom: I was frequently flamed for thinking Bush was just stupid and not evil. Look it up.
Tattoosydney
Dickheads.
eemom
@John Cole:
you are paying no attention to what I said.
Just like a man.
eemom
feh
FlipYrWhig
I can’t decide whether Scott Brown is more empty-headed than Christine O’Donnell or less. I have the sense that O’Donnell is paranoid and worries that there’s complicated, scary stuff going on that she just doesn’t get… but that Scott Brown has not a care in the world, because he’s always coasted on a big toothy grin. Which one of those is worse? Dim, cute, and panicky, or dim, cute, and blithe?
John Cole
I have no idea why they are more accessible to me than you, but if you put “rape assange” in the search box you will see I dismissed the charges WHEN the Swiss dropped them, stating it is deeply troubling when charges of rape are tossed around, because rape is a serious thing.
The only other thing I said about it was the following:
And I stand by that. You don’t exactly have to be a conspiracy theorist to note that every time someone speaks up, this sort of thing happens. And even then, I noted the possibility of his being a rapist and that maybe there is something in the personality type that makes people who are defiant (like Assange or Ritter) that also coincides with their being sexual deviants.
As to this bullshit:
Lo and behold, I linked to two pieces that SAID JUST FUCKING THAT. Here is the Amanda Marcotte piece I linked:
And here is Feministe:
You have now trotted out every single form of weak bullshit imaginable, and the facts and the archives have shot you down each and every time. You even got to throw in a weak shot at Greenwald.
Do you want to stop now, or keep digging?
Kath
Did anyone quote this yet?
John Cole, 12/1 Is this a joke?
“And before the trolls assert I am downplaying charges of rape and sexual crimes, I am not. He should be arrested and allowed to face his accusers and go through the judicial process. But the most wanted list? There aren’t any serial murderers, terrorists, drug smugglers, sex slave traffickers, gun runners, or other violent predators who belong on the most wanted list and deserve a little more attention? Christ, you want to catch Julian Assange, just stand near a live news camera for any of the major networks. He’ll show up eventually.”
I had written this blog off years ago as right wingnut and was amazed when I dropped in a few months ago, because ok, things have evolved. And that’s great, and maybe I’ve changed too… but I have sort of kept an eye out for old tendencies… and I remember lately being mostly impressed that Cole has been extremely tolerant in general, in his own special way, so I was wondering if eemon had a legit point or not. So I went back and looked. Sometimes I misunderstand posts, I don’t get a lot of the humor and stuff, so I figure it’s just me. I’m only half way thru the lexicon.
FlipYrWhig
@eemom: Is TBogg really saying that O’Donnell “shouldn’t be blamed”? I don’t get that from the excerpt. On the other hand, TBogg would never say that Tim Tebow is a lovely person, and that guy definitely deeply and earnestly believes that he has Jesus Power too and serves his fans by crystallizing all their hopes and dreams.
de stijl
My take on Ms. O’Donnell is that she is the real-life, grown-up analog of the Lacey Chabert character in Mean Girls. The poor thing keeps trying to make “fetch” happen, bless her heart.
Not an alpha Mean Girl, but Mean Girl adjacent (with all that implies).
Left Coast Tom
@eemom:
_That_’s not sexist?
General Stuck
what an odd little thread
Tattoosydney
@cathyx:
Not quite true – I remember quite a long discussion on here about which of us would fuck Aaron Schock.
ogliberal
@Odie Hugh Manatee: These tools all dream of the days when Dwight Eisenhower paraded on East Berlin on top of a tank in full military regalia when he was president. Except Eisenhower never wore the uniform he well earned as a combat vet and Supreme Commander of the Allied forces in Europe during WWII while he was president of the US. (a rule broken only once since then – by The Decider) The motherfucker looked like a fantasy camp adolescent, with his stupid thumbs-up, bragging about the five minutes of actual service he put in while enlisted with the TANG.
Sly
Wait.
That’s my stock answer to every “Is this politician ignorant or mean?” debate. Just wait. Sooner or later, the person in question will demonstrate both qualities with aplomb.
Every liberal thought Dan Quayle was just some harmless airhead ne’er-do-well until he made it his top priority to go after single mothers with a vengeance. That was pretty mean. I’m sure that, given enough time, O’Donnell will launch into a toxic harangue against some class of dispossessed, “ungodly” people. She certainly has the theological background for it: Conservative Christians are a notoriously petty and narcissistic lot. It’s kind of hard not to be when you subscribe to the metaphysical version of Facebook.
Gus
@General Stuck: Yeah, I love when a thread goes to shit with a stupid pissing match. John don’t waste your time. eemom has made up her mind and actual facts won’t deter her.
eemom
@Left Coast Tom:
sheeyit, ya got me. How’d I ever miss that?
General Stuck
@Gus:
I think eemom was in the mood for some fightin”. I get that way sometimes. I like eemom for that reason, and other ones, though don’t agree with her on this item.
eemom
@FlipYrWhig:
if you look at TBogg’s whole post, yes, I think the gist of it IS “aw c’mon people…..she’s just a sweet silly little simpleton who couldn’t tell campaign funds from a collection tray…..leave her alone.”
I mean I love TBogg to death…..God help me, I even sorta love John Cole…….but I just can’t believe that people don’t see the sexism here.
And I reiterate, that I despise the sexism card as cheaply played by Hamsher and her ilk.
Jewish Steel
I guess that about wraps it up for sexism. Well done, everyone!
Sly
@General Stuck:
Fuck off, splitter.
Gravenstone
@eemom:
Wait. you accuse John of sexism, then trot out this line in response? Your petard, I believe you’ve just hoist yourself upon it.
Gravenstone
@Gravenstone: Well, guess that answers my question whether the thread is still bubbling. Another fired the same shot, and managed a reply in the interim between my reading and replying before. Imma go snuggle up to my Maker’s Mark again and call it a night before I do any more damage.
General Stuck
@Sly:
Okay, I’ve been ashamed to not know and to ask what bloggers call “splitter” and now is as good as time as any to improve my knowledge of internet jargon. So what is a Splitter?
Jewish Steel
@General Stuck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE
Anne Laurie
@alwhite: __
Dan Quayle made it as far as the vice-presidency. And I don’t know any women, not even Republicans, who found Danny Boy “sexy”. But Bill “Always Wrong” Kristol bragged to other male Republicans that Quayle’s “sexiness” would make him more attractive to female voters, which is just one more indication of what male Republicans think about women.
And it could be argued that St. Ronnie got away with a whole ton of thuggish-to-openly-criminal behavior, starting with his original attempt to hijack the 1964 RNC convention, by playing the “I’m just a simple tootsie from the country (of Hollywood)” card. I think Reagan was a mean muthafukker, despite the hagiography, but well before his handlers announced the Alzheimers diagnosis, any criticism of Governor Ronnie, Candidate Ronnie, President Ronnie would be greeted with howls of Leave Ronnie alloooooonnne! from his defenders.
General Stuck
@Jewish Steel:
LOL, thanks, now I know.
Yutsano
@Tattoosydney: There was even close to a consensus. Yes, but as long as he didn’t talk.
FlipYrWhig
@eemom: I can’t really see it that way — I keep getting that she’s a vacuous true believer rather than a cynical manipulator/huckster like Palin. But that’s not “aw, leave her alone,” it’s more like — to borrow John’s reference — stupid not evil.
But on the larger issue, I do think that vacuous political _men_ don’t actually get called cute and charming along the way. People who didn’t like Dan Quayle didn’t take a beat to say that he was a pleasant person first, not that I recall. Gary Hart and John Edwards were considered handsome but not vacuous. Scott Brown may be the exception. But we’re drawing from a very restricted universe here: attractive, genial politicians of either sex who didn’t have many accomplishments.
Mike Kay (Christine O'Donnell's Co-Witch)
@General Stuck:
That’s Monty Python speak for “far left”
bill
Sorry for the OT, but:
Funny, these days when I think of Gordon Liddy I see Dabney Coleman. Could be the same thing as how Ben Bradlee will always be Jason Robards in my mind.
Funny thing about Watergate, too: The bad guys really did win. Cheney and Rumsfeld are billionaires; even Nixon got his hero’s burial. And Gordon Liddy has a fucking radio show. The fact that he can talk on air about how much he admires Bush’s johnson is instructive of the First Amendment, to say nothing of reminding us how many deep-closeted sadists like Gordon Liddy are living openly among us, either daring us to call them on it or thinking we can’t see their thing for what it is, I’m not sure which. In either case, they’re fucking poison.
But really, doesn’t Liddy remind you of Dabney Coleman?
Zuzu's Petals
@MBL:
I was just about to say that. I think the description of Reagan at the time was along the lines of “He doesn’t mean the meanness of his words.”
Of course I think he was as insincere as the day is long, but that doesn’t equal maliciousness.
TBogg
@Sly: It’s worth noting that Lisa Schiffren of NRO wrote Dan Quayle’s Murphy Brown speech.
Anne Laurie
@Tattoosydney: Cudlip.
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TBogg
@eemom: Actually, I’m not saying that at all. I’m just saying that she’s dumb. And being dumb doesn’t necessarily preclude her from baring her teeth when she’s cornered or taking potshots at her opponents because some advisor may have told her it would play well with the rubes and it’s all part of the campaign game.
de stijl
@Tattoosydney:
A lesser man would be tempted to call you “Dickhead”.
Anne Laurie
@bill: __
Dabney Coleman had some ability as an actor. G. Gordon couldn’t convince a five-year-old that Santy Claus was gonna bring him presents on Christmas Eve.
Zuzu's Petals
@eemom:
As to Reagan at least … yep.
And where exactly did TBogg (or John for that matter) say O’Donnell shouldn’t be blamed for misappropriating campaign funds?
kdaug
@Anne Laurie: No, Anne Laurie, that is a phrase patented by the [“WikiLeaks”/”My Links”/”Cows”] comment generator.
Please be advised that any further usage may result in copyright violation, subject to civil and/or criminal liability.
Or not.
Wil
@eemom:
You can call me sexist, eemom. I don’t mind. I don’t care if its sexist to judge people like O’Donnell on their various bimbo qualities.
Tattoosydney
@Anne Laurie:
@de stijl:
Don’t get me started.
Dickheads.
assholic
I’m glad that’s over. Now Cole and eemom can have wicked make-up sex.
Catsy
@eemom:
And now you’re moving the goalposts.
Your initial complaint was, verbatim:
You asserted that Cole and Tbogg were giving O’Donnell the benefit of the doubt of being dumb as a post rather than an evil bitch because she was female, and that this was sexist. The problem is, you don’t actually know why they approached this topic from the angle they did, and you pretty much have to take their explanations at face value.
Lacking any legitimate ground to stand on there, you then seized on the side discussion of O’Donnell’s attractiveness and pointed to that, conflating it with your accusations against Cole and implying that the existence of this line of conversation supported the point you were trying to make about Cole and Tbogg’s posts.
Never mind the fact that neither Cole nor Tbogg were part of that side conversation. Never mind the fact that “well-meaning but dumb” or words to that effect was a description regularly applied to Reagan for years. Never mind that your point about women not talking about the fuckability of male politicians is also ignorant horseshit–do you not actually have any female friends, or were you just asleep during the Clinton years and Obama’s campaign?
And that’s not even getting into your multiple sweeping generalizations about men in this thread alone that you make without any evident awareness of just how much they undermine any point you were trying to make.
I’m sure you could be more full of shit than you’ve been in this thread, but it would take a powerful and sustained effort.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@ogliberal:
I almost wish Bush had gone tin-pot dictator, dressed up in some made up Commander-in-Chief uniform, ala Saddam, decked it out in all kinds of medals he never earned, stuffed in his codpiece and walked the deck. The collective orgazm on the right would have largely depopulated their base for years. Same with the media.
So sad…
Common Sense
You really should have left the last line of TBogg’s post in:
is one of my favorite southern phrases. It basically means “she’s an idiot.”
eemom
@Catsy:
never mind that you’ve used a lot of words to attribute to me things that I never actually said.
Never mind that, as a general rule, the number of words contained in any one of your posts is inversely proportional to the substantive content of the “ideas” contained therein.
I’m sure you could have been more obviously full of shit than you were this late in this particular thread, but unfortunately, you’d have to have showed up before everyone else went to bed in order for more people to have witnessed your linguistic self-gratification.
Comrade Kevin
Molly Ivins once had a completely non-sexist comment about Camille Paglia that I think applies to eemom:
“Sheesh, what an asshole”
I’ll add one of my own:
Dumb as a sack of hammers
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Comrade Kevin:
Possesses a PhD in public linguistic masturbation.
eemom
@Comrade Kevin:
you: Molly Ivins = Christine O’Donnell: Nancy Pelosi
Camille Paglia, OTOH…..there’s someone you could converse with.
Janet Strange
@Bella Q: I agree that she’s probably dumb as a box of hammers, (I dunno really, I haven’t actually paid that much attention to her). But folks on the left are mistaken about what happened in that exchange. Righties are always telling each other, “but the first amendment does not include the words ‘separation of church and state.’ ” And they are right, it doesn’t. (Jefferson wrote that elsewhere.) The fact that those exact words are not part of the 1st amendment proves something or other to them.
She was reacting to her opponents comment b/c she thought he thought that the text of the 1st amendment included those words and couldn’t believe he was that stupid.
Since those of us on the left don’t spend a lot of time pondering whether or not those exact words are in the amendment, but rather the sense of the amendment (admirably explicated by Jefferson) we missed the reference.
Sort of like a dogwhistle thing. Not exactly, but related.
Common Sense
ODonnell:Palin::Huckabee:Buchanan
Comrade Kevin
@eemom: Whoosh
hamletta
@Catsy: Thank you, Catsy, for putting into words my utter bogglement at the meltdown of this thread.
And eemom, all you have left is to bleed on John and TBogg.
I’ll save you worryin’ your pretty li’l head about that prior graf: It’s an anti-woman reference to the unclean-ness of menstrual blood.
Triassic Sands
TBogg hides the fact that he’s the world’s worst human being behind a couple of basset hounds. That’s not playing fair.
Fenway and Wembley…run…run…get away while you still can!
Lysana
@eemom: You know, I’d rip you a new one for your attitude in this thread, but your arguments and sexism have been so much weak sauce it’s not worth providing the meat for it.
Wil
@Janet Strange:
That was my take too, that she got a bit of a raw deal with that separation of church and state deal, since the outside world doesn’t know that it’s VERY important in the Jesusland belief system that those exact words aren’t in the First Amendment. So she was answering correctly according to her group’s view of the issue, and didn’t really understand why she took the hit for it and her opponent didn’t.
eemom
@Lysana:
really now? That all you got? “Weak sauce”?
C’mon, little chickenshit, “rip” away. What’s your tough-girl problem with my attitude, hmm? Let’s hear it.
eemom
@hamletta:
ditto you, twat.
Didn’t realize John had so many dumb ass groupies crawling out the woodwork. Never thought he needed them, frankly.
eemom
a fine display of womanly honor here, indeed: little warrior-princesses waving their “rip ya a NEW ONE!” toy swords and squeaking out their “m-e-n-s-t-r-u-a-t-i-o-n! betcha don’t even know what that MEANS!” taunts before scuttling off to hide back behind big brother’s ass.
Maybe TBogg has a point, after all.
kay
But that’s ideological, and it applies to conservatives and campaign finance in general.
This is a real dividing line, and I don’t know how much more proof we need.
Citizens, McCain-Feingold, maybe the best example is the Chamber of Commerce. Democrats actually got traction on the Chamber of Commerce/transparency charges with the broader public (and Citizens, actually, which polls really poorly), and the whole conservative choir stuck by The Chamber’s “right” to not reveal donors, despite some political peril.
It’s an article of faith with conservatives: campaign finance rules are a way for liberals to SILENCE conservatives. Read the WSJ editorial page sometime.
I think this is deeply ingrained on the Right. It’s like voter fraud, or “no separation of church and state in the 1st Amendment”. This belief goes all the way to the Supreme Court.
She doesn’t explain it not because she’s stupid but because she doesn’t have to. The base know exactly what she’s talking about.
I’d bet 5 bucks she brings up “free speech” as a defense in the next interview. The money donated was political speech. She shouldn’t have to reveal how she spent it. It’s not that big a stretch. It’s was almost inevitable that they’d extend that money=political speech idea to ludicrous lengths. If the Chamber doesn’t have to reveal who donated, why should she have to reveal how she spent the donations?
Wil
@eemom: Wow, you really get off on arguing with people over what is and isn’t sexist.
I don’t mind being sexist. Christine O’Donnell fits a few different stereotypes of women. Aside from the religious crap, we’ve all met women like her in a bar, and most of us have taken one home at least once…kinda dumb, nice enough, pretty, naive, and easy pickings after she’s had a few cocktails and compliments.
Hell, it’d be fun to bend her over a Satanic altar and tell her to babble all that Jesus crap while we fuck. In exchange, I’ll call her Senator while we do it. Good times.
JMC_in_the_ATL
I have a hard time taking charges of sexism seriously from someone willing to throw GLBTs under the bus when we’re inconvenient.
MBL
@eemom:
Bush? No. Reagan? Absolutely, as I said earlier. I’m willing to be disagreed with about it, but Reagan would (and I’m stealing this line from somewhere) give you the shirt off his back if you asked for it, right before– in his undershirt– signing legislation to take your unemployment away. Reagan and O’Donnell are EXACTLY the same politician to my mind. Cole’s said nothing about O’Donnell that I don’t think applies to Reagan except occasionally using the words “she” and “her.” Nothing.
For the record, here’s some actual sexism: I have serious trouble taking anything you say seriously because you put the word “mom” in your handle. My experience on the Web has conditioned me to believe that anyone who includes the words “mom” or “mommy” in their handle is always an abject moron.
We’ll wait until you can see the difference. (Hey, look! Condescension!)
de stijl
@eemom:
Some idiot jag-off just a month-long timeout from Daddy Cole for dropping the c-bomb. How is this different?
les
@eemom:
my god you’re a dick. defintely pie worthy.
Catsy
@eemom:
I defy you to name them.
Are you seriously so devoid of any substantive response that you’re reduced to saying I used too many words?
Seriously?
Could you be any more feckless and pathetic?
Please accept my apologies for not existing on your schedule.
So from what I can see, you response to me consists of: 1) an assertion that I attributed to you things you did not say without actually saying what they are, 2) an assertion that I use too many words, and 3) whining about the fact that I’m late to the thread.
And for added bonus points, in an argument that you started over perceived sexism that existed only in your imagination, you’ve been the originator of gems like this:
For someone who’s got her panties all twisted up about imaginary sexism, you’ve been first in line to bring gender stereotypes and sexist insults into the argument whenever the opportunity arises.
That sound you hear? It’s the sound your credibility on this subject made as it passed the event horizon of the black hole into which it disappeared.
Frank
I am mystified by the way in which pug-ugly ignorance trumps intelligence. (Please don’t interpret that as meanness — I’m actually quite pug-dog friendly!) Apparently, say a stupid or untrue thing with the right attitude and delivery, and you come out victorious over your informed, enlightened opponent, at least in the eyes of your followers. I had a student once who disappeared for about five weeks towards the end of the semester and then showed up to take the final. When she failed, she stomped out of the room, shouting, “Thanks for letting me not pass!” Oh, but the way she said it was supposed to be quite withering! It was not she who failed; it was me who somehow botched things for her. So Christine rolls her eyes after displaying her own ignorance and there will be some who cheer for her. Yes, Kuvasz #78, we are witnessing the C- brigade flouting their ignorance.
Frank
Yikes! I don’t think I ever single-handedly killed a thread before… was it something I said?